April 28th, 2010
07:18 PM ET

At least 15 people killed in Ciudad Juarez

[Updated at 7:17 p.m.]  At least 15 people were killed in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, Wednesday, as drug-related violence goes unabated, authorities said.

Police found seven young men killed in two locations in Juarez, police spokesman Jacinto Seguro told CNN.

Earlier Wednesday, eight men were shot to death outside a bar in what has become one of the country's deadliest cities, the state attorney general's office said.

It was the second violent day in a row that the city witnessed.

On Tuesday, 10 people were killed, Seguro said, including three who were shot outside a supermarket. Another victim, identified as Marin Orosco, was killed outside a mall hours later.

In all, 25 people were killed in a 24-hour period, Seguro said.

Ciudad Juarez is the most violent city in the nation, with more than 2,600 drug-related deaths in 2009. No official numbers are available for this year, but more than 400 killings have been reported by local media.

The city, long the focal point of President Felipe Calderon's battle against drug cartels, came to renewed prominence after the January 31 killings of 15 people, most of them students with no links to organized crime. The massacre sparked outrage throughout Mexico and drew worldwide attention.

In another incident that drew widespread attention, three people associated with the U.S. Consulate in Juarez were gunned down in two shootings last month. Two of the victims, including a pregnant woman, were U.S. citizens living in El Paso, Texas.

Arrests were made this week in the recent killings of federal police officers in Juarez, Seguro said. The suspects, members of the Juarez cartel, deny they were involved in the killings, he said.

[Posted at 3:04 p.m.] Eight men were shot to death early Wednesday morning outside a bar in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, one of the country's deadliest cities, the state attorney general's office said.

The victims, who remained unidentified, were shot outside the Aristos night club about 4:35 a.m., office spokesman Vladimir Tuexi told CNN.

Authorities recovered 12 shell casings at the scene, all 9 mm, he said.

Police were looking for a motive.

According to Chihuahua state police, the victims all had gunshot wounds to the head. Four of the victims were teenagers, three were in their early to mid-20s. The eighth man was about 40 years old, police said.

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  1. Clark

    Those of you comparing murders in the US with murders in Juarez, as if it's anywhere near the same, need only do the math. In the United States there are approximately 6 murders per 100,000, where as there are almost 190 murders per 100,000 in Juarez. That is staggering and, whether you like it or not, a major concern for the border areas of the Unted States. One only needs to look at the 80's in Miami to understand what can happen when drug wars get out of control. The difference is, there was a significant crackdown on the drug dealers and their violence in Miami. Not so, thus far, in Juarez and other parts of Mexico along the border.

    April 28, 2010 at 9:00 pm | Report abuse |
  2. rico

    Me the war on drugs will never be won, cause our own corrupt government has a stranglehold on it. Come on face it, all these drugs travel and are produced in mexico and end up in california? how do they get passed border patrol and so forth, cause of corrupt, agents, politicians.etc. Arizona's governor is a clear racist, who said we need to keep the drug dealears away from our country. But she was generalizing all 'mexicans', which is cleary racially fuled.
    We need to get up in ciudad Juarez and take out the women and kids and invade the city, and klill everyone on sight, that is armed to fight.

    April 28, 2010 at 9:02 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Nomoreillegals

    So Jamie..."Sometimes we need to think of the ramifications of our actions!" Does this inclued the millions if illegals invading our states? Or are you one that believes "they" shoud not be held accountable for their unlawfull actions, actualy decades of illegal actions in the US. It's our country, not theirs. I am tired of supporting them!

    April 28, 2010 at 9:03 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Joe

    Saying that the violence in Mexico is a justification for the AZ immigration laws does not make sense. There was as much violence in the US during the prohibition among the predominently Italian Mob. Did they try to stop Italian immigrants then. Legalize drugs and the black market will go away along with the Cartels (well maybe they will something else to peddle) also tax heavily the legal drug business. In any case drug additcs will always find their stuff somehow.

    April 28, 2010 at 9:07 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Randoms

    Leagalize drugs?
    Sure – most of you who are wanting to have drugs legalized should be familiar with Alcohol. Legalizing drugs won't be your path to pssing off the man. As a matter of fact, I am sure the laws will be similar. High? You are fired. High driving? Lose your license.? Kill someone under the influence? – Same...Ruin your family life because it is regulated "Priceless". High is what you should do as a very temporary celebration of something – not a lifestyle. Otherwise, you are just the same as alcoholics.

    April 28, 2010 at 9:11 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Kyle

    People who say "legalize drugs" have no idea what that will do to society. It will result in more junkies roaming the streets, more accidents and more deaths. Who cares if it will put the cartels out of business? Who cares if it will make the country rich? All that should be cared about is the health and safety of the American people. And legalizing drugs is not the way to do it.

    April 28, 2010 at 9:11 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Rheii

    I was born in the United States a whopping 25 years ago. First generation Mexican American for my family. I cannot go to Mexico and embrace it because they don't want people like me there – not mexican. Even though I speak spanish and I have family down there. I cannot own land down there because I am not mexica. Here in the United States – recently you can't even walk out the door without people lookin at you questioningly. I graduated from college to my degree in science – and I've been asked if I wanted to work as a maid in some lazy butt's house. Seriously. Now I worry that I'm gonna get pulled over every time someone sees me for being brown. This law makes it seem like every Mexican out there is a criminal. We're not. Just like the massacres in Juarez, think about Colombine. We are not all criminals.

    April 28, 2010 at 9:12 pm | Report abuse |
  8. chris

    I take great offense to this whole idea that if drugs are legalized they should be heavily taxed. Don't you think years and years of wrongful persecution of people who want to use mind altering substances on their own free time is bad enough already without saying that people who choose to use a substance in our FREE COUNTRY should carry a heavier tax burden than someone who wants to buy any other goods. There should be a flat tax on all goods without discriminating against specific items.

    April 28, 2010 at 9:15 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Jaime

    Jason, I agree, it has affected phx but to say this immigration bill is the answer is preposterous. We can't give government that much power, it will not stop with this bill, it will begin to snowball.

    April 28, 2010 at 9:16 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Shawn

    I'm not quite sure I understand why people are against AZ aggressive position to eliminate ILLEGAL immigration. Where is the confusion with ILLEGAL. How hard is to understand that, although life is tough in Mexico, that does not extend any additional rights to Mexicans, or any nationality for that matter, to enter and stay in this country ILLEGALLY. If you want to come and be a LEGAL citizen, take the necessary steps. I don't care if the rules are to stringent for most to get a green card, that's what the immigration laws are in place for, to prevent ILLEGAL immigration and every Tom, Dick, and Harry from becoming an American. It's not racist, it's not a personal agenda, it's the law. Fortunately, AZ is taking a progressive, and an aggressive, position with state rights to clean up something that is becoming a problem. Coming soon to state near you. For all those involved in and reading this blog, soon the violence found in the Mexican cities of Juarez and Tijuana will further over flow into our country...if it hasn't already.

    April 28, 2010 at 9:17 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Drew

    Here is my take on why marijuana or other drugs for that matter are not legal.
    Some of this has been pulled from other sources, but helps substaniate my stance on the issue. Prohobition was in effect in America from 1922 to 1933. I feel in a direct way Prohobition indirectly contributited to the Great Depression which lasted from1929 to about 1940. The unemployment rate skyrocketed to 20 % wi tha anaverage of about 17% from 1930 to 1940. Pretty interesting overlap in dates. When organized crime started to take control, things fell apart for the US government. Moving foreword from this point to present day. You need to ask yourself one tought question. Why has the war on drug bee such a failiure? My belief if this. The government, law enforcement, DEA, ATF, and others would have ALOT less to do. Layoffs ensue, unemployment goes up, GDP goes down and guess what, sounds alot like the great depression.

    Now I am here to say I am fully in favor legallizing drugs on many levels, but at a minimun, decriminalizng the recreational, medical use of marijuana. It is a waste of our law enforcement resources and space in an otherwise crammped and over-crowded penal system.

    The war on drugs NEEDS to be there to maitain a fully functional law enforcment/judicial/penal system to mantain the present job needs to proceed with war on drugs and also maintain the appearance that "we" are doing something about the problem. Drugs are not going anywhere. Cartels are certainly not going any where and the DEMAND for them is NEVER going anywhere. We can legalize them, tax them , put that money into healthcare, but to what end? A weakened economy, due to rising unemployment in otherwise noble professions by not being able to support the manpower they use now to fight the "war?" ; law enforcement, penal, legal arms manufacture, (you have to shoot the bad guys with something other spitballs. AM I right?
    And ultimately an end product that the majority of the present users would not be able to afford (due to the taxes) therefore increasing the decline of an infrustructure that injects, albeit ill-gained or or ill-spent income (unless legallized) into the US and world economy. The US economy has proven to very resliient over the years, but always following a major downturn beforehand. And the likes of the one we just went through is a drop in the bucket in comparriosn.

    An aside into the helth ramification. The debate of whether pot or booze or coke or to bow to an ode from the old "Bloom County" cartoons, dandelion sniffing. If it makes you feel good, recreational or otherwise, there will be both long- and short-term health effects. Period. So to me, that is a moot conversation. For it to benefit the current state of "health reform" in this country, it would have to financed by people who could afford legally. I just dont see any well-to-do people CEOS, Celebrityies, etc, jumping on the pot band wagon because it's legal. Just not going to happen. If they are not pot smokers, not going to be in the future.

    Just sayin'.

    End rant.

    Below is some text from Wikipedia (I know, not the best source, but it was quick)

    After several years, prohibition became a failure in North America and elsewhere, as bootlegging (rum-running) became widespread and organized crime took control of the distribution of alcohol. Distilleries and breweries in Canada, Mexico, and the Caribbean flourished as their products were either consumed by visiting Americans or illegally imported to the U.S. Chicago became notorious as a haven for prohibition dodgers during the time known as the Roaring Twenties. Prohibition generally came to an end in the late 1920s or early 1930s in most of North America and Europe, although a few locations continued prohibition for many more years.

    April 28, 2010 at 9:18 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Chester Urbati

    To all legal USA Citizens,
    let's not have the far left shift the reason for the criminality of 2 out of 3 illegals as being a drug problem. We must first have the FEDS do there flipping job and lock down the boarder! If this means National Guard, or emergency hire of extra boarder patrol, or the hiring of the Guardian Angels let's do this 1st!
    Then we can talk about the millions of NON-DOCUMENTED AILENS in this country I&E
    Chinese, Vietnamese, Russian, Iran, Pakistan, India!, and anyone from south of the boarder. Why should the USA be lenient and forgiving to immigrant status when the countries these illegals come from would not do the same!
    Just because we are the best place to have a prosperous life does not mean freedom is free! I have a great Idea, let's send some undocumented aliens over to Afghanistan and Iraq, let them spend three or four tours over in hostile country and then if they make it home offer them legal status as then they have proven freedom is not free! I served 21 yrs for this country in the USAF and served in Micronesia and Europe, I have seen what socialism means to a people and I have seen and experienced closed boarders in Europe before the wall fell. And now that it has fell many parts of Europe are being over run with illegal aliens that have brought crime, and religious Islamic extemist views to Europe. This can happen in the good old USA if we don't wake up and stop it ASAP!!!!!

    April 28, 2010 at 9:18 pm | Report abuse |
  13. chris

    Actually I have a great idea of what legalizing drugs would do to society considering there are countries that have decriminalized drugs many many years ago. There are countless studies done in Holland that show that they have a much much lower instance of drug use than we do in the United States. Do some homework and have a little bit of knowledge of the world outside of your mother's house before you make comments please Kyle.

    April 28, 2010 at 9:18 pm | Report abuse |
  14. ItsNotTooLate

    I don't normally post in forums, but given the immense human tragedy that is being reported here, and the strong feelings it stirs in people, I would be remiss not to contribute to a topic I know something about.

    Firstly, regarding Juarez, the problem is economic and until the numbers add up this will continue to get worse and spread, soon into the US. In a way, Juarez is a prototype of the future, of a world where wealth is so extremely unequal that there are only the rich and the illegal. When the US entered into NAFTA with Mexico, they created the situation we see on the border today. Decimating peasant agriculture by putting it into direct competition with agribusiness, NAFTA forced the migration of poor people out of traditional ways of life and to the borders seeking work in US factories. These factories, also set up under NAFTA, moved living wage paying work out of the US, to places like Juarez, where they do not need pay a living wage and yet where the cost of living is within 80% – 90% of the US. So now you have all these people, who can do back breaking work for $50 – $80 a week and starve or they can get into crime or illegal immigration. What would you do? Now, on the institutional side of things, the army, police, lawyers, etc, they aren't fools: they know the money which really finances the Mexican state is dirty, and so they want modern offices, hardware, weapons, fleets, etc ... they sure as heck can't finance that on taxes. So everyone, EVERYONE, in any position of power, from the dog catcher, to the press, to the president, is either doing dirt, taking money to look the other way ... or dying. Look at this article, it is like every article about border violence. A rigorous tally of the caliber of bullets and the time. The article is 3 paragraphs long, it mentions no names, interviews no witnesses, it will never have follow up . This is how crime is reported in North Korea too. The fact that this is uncritically on CNN is very worrying, it is in many ways a test. Is this enough information for our audience?

    As for Arizona and immigration: the big picture is that NOTHING good has EVER come to a "show me your papers" society. That is why, among other excellent reasons, in many US states it is illegal for police to ask for your identification. The view from the ground is that papers are not sufficient proof of legal residency anyway, the only thing that is strictly speaking sufficient is a DHS hearing. So what will really be happening is that police will now become deputies of the DHS. And there is the rub, that is why, the immigrants, like the drugs, always arrive on time, what gets through the border depends entirely on the judgement of the border agency personnel and they too are either dirty or quiet. We will soon have the same situation in Arizona and anywhere else that passes laws that encourage corruption by putting the onus of institutional decisions on individual judgement, and the billions of dollars changing hands don't make things and easier.

    Juarez is a possible future for the whole world, but it's not too late. Advocate to completely rewrite NAFT, rethink Free Trade, repeal prohibition on all drugs. Demand progressive taxation on the super rich, especially on capital gains. Break up corporations that are "too big to fail". Buy "Made in the USA" if there is an option, from small store or website, if there is an option. Send money to organizations that support people's indigenous societies. Read multiple news sources. Imagine a world free from suffering, everyday.

    April 28, 2010 at 9:19 pm | Report abuse |
  15. jason

    LOL. El Paso news has the death toll somewhere around 40+ for the day and the sun's not even down yet. This entire situation is incredibly dumbed and played down by CNN. This is a daily occurrance here. I can't WAIT till we get something like Arizona's legislation here in Texas. Most of the people freaking out about unfair treatment of hispanic immigrants need to come and live a few miles from the border for a couple of weeks before commenting. They apparently dont have one clue what they're talking about.

    April 28, 2010 at 9:21 pm | Report abuse |
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