May 19th, 2010
08:17 PM ET

For allies, integrating gays in military easier done than said

The U.S. and its military allies agree on many things, from the size of bullets for their rifles to the design of future fighter jets. But on the issue of gays in the military, the U.S. stands alone among the Western allies.

Representatives from Great Britain, Canada, Australia, Israel and the Netherlands gathered Wednesday at the Brookings Institution, a think tank in Washington, to describe how the militaries in those countries handled allowing homosexuals to serve openly in their militaries. The consensus was that, in spite of concerns before the change, when gays and lesbians were allowed to serve, it was a non-issue.

"I did not see one case at any level when homosexuals did not get along with other soldiers. The problems are among men and women," said Maj. Gen. Walter Semianiw, an infantry officer in the Canadian military. "This is not an issue for our country."

"We know the U.S. as a country that favors the individual rights, freedom, giving the people the opportunity to flourish in their life," said Col. Kees Matthijssen of the Royal Dutch Army. "From that perspective it's still very strange the U.S. is still having a kind of ban on openly having gays and lesbians in the military."

"There were concerns in the late '90s of gay men walking across the gangplank in feather boas and high heels," said retired Lt. Cmdr. Craig Jones of the British Royal Navy. "That just did not happen."

Jones said British military officials saw an unexpected benefit of allowing gays to serve openly - better retention of qualified soldiers and sailors in key positions. In the late 1990s and early 2000s, the British military had a 6 percent to 8 percent gap in unfilled positions. Now it's down to the 2 percent to 3 percent range.
Jones said one reason for that is the new policy allowing gays to serve.
Now that gays are able to serve, military recruiters in the United Kingdom have more volunteers to choose from, Jones said. Also, having children is often cited by British troops as one reason why they leave the military in their late 20s or 30s. And Jones said because gays and lesbians are less likely to become parents, they tend to stay in the military longer.

During a recent Congressional hearing on the U.S. military's "don't ask, don't tell," policy, retired NATO Commander Gen. John Sheehan testified that he believed that the Dutch military's policy of allowing gays to serve was in part to blame for the Dutch military's failure to halt the massacre of Muslims in the Bosnian town of Srebrenica in 1995.

"They declared a peace dividend and made a conscious effort to socialize their military," Sheehan testified in March. "That includes the unionization of their militaries. It includes open homosexuality demonstrated in a series of other activities."

"That led to a force that was ill-equipped to go to war. The case-in-point that I'm referring to is when the Dutch were required to defend Srebrenica against the Serbs. The battalion was under-strength, poorly led," Sheehan said.

Sheehan later backtracked on his testimony, but it still grates on the Dutch.

"I was in Srebrenica myself, I was a company commander, I was there. I had a full professional company," Matthijssen of the Dutch army told CNN.

"The homosexual, sexuality that he (Sheehan) suggested would have affected that unit, that is absolutely not the case."

Matthijssen added, "There was good cohesion within the unit, the unit was effective. But the unit was put in a place - based on political decisions within the U.N., within the international community - with too (few) troops, too few means, not the mandate to really fight and overwhelm ... That's what really happened."

Matthijssen insisted allowing gays to serve openly has made the Royal Dutch Army better.

"We're much more effective because we have an organizational culture and climate that people know that they can tell about who they are, and that's what we encourage," he said.

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  1. LicolnWouldNotApprove

    "Intelligence, patriotism, Christianity, and a firm reliance on Him, who has never yet forsaken this favored land, are still competent to adjust, in the best way, all our present difficulty." – Lincoln

    May 19, 2010 at 10:56 pm | Report abuse |
  2. AJ

    Super-Hero – that's the problem. I presented some facts. You didn't. Fact is, all the other armies are doing just fine. So, don't let your anti-social agenda get in the way of the facts...

    May 19, 2010 at 11:35 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Ozymandias71

    Yet more evidence that DADT is a ridiculous policy, with claims to 'dissent in the barracks' that can't be proven with actual fact – it's ironic that people who argue in favor of banning Gays and Lesbians from service are ACTUALLY saying that the U.S. Armed Forces isn't professional enough to deal with us serving openly!

    Naturally the argument then turns to 'well God won't bless us if we let Gays serve!' Uh huh. Fortunately we ban athiests, agnostics, pagans, Muslims, Hindus and other religious groups from service... oh wait, no we don't. Logic fail!

    May 20, 2010 at 10:08 am | Report abuse |
  4. red

    seriously !! gays are human too. im straight and im a human !

    May 21, 2010 at 12:05 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Josh

    Amen brother. I am a veteran myself, there is a reason why the United States is still the preeminent superpower in the world.

    May 19, 2010 at 8:46 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Kevin M.

    As a former member of the military, I can state categorically that a soldier knows no orientation. U.S. does all of the fighting because we've made it our job to police planet earth. It's 2010. Get with it.

    May 19, 2010 at 8:46 pm | Report abuse |
  7. JMN

    As another former military member, you are incorrect!

    May 19, 2010 at 8:47 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Fernando

    What a stupid comment! My God!

    May 19, 2010 at 8:48 pm | Report abuse |
  9. blahblah

    More blah. really, who cares? youre threatened by "a gay"? Tough soldier you are.

    May 19, 2010 at 8:51 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Mitch

    Yes, obviously the reason we're still a super power is because gays can't serve in the military. All of the problems with the economy are of course, caused by the fact that gays are involved. Seriously Josh, listen to yourself. You sound like Fred Phelps.

    May 19, 2010 at 8:53 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Paul

    I'm ashamed to know that someone like you served in the US military (if you really did).

    May 19, 2010 at 8:53 pm | Report abuse |
  12. ryan

    right. israel's gay soldiers don't do any fighting. you're such an idiot.

    May 19, 2010 at 8:54 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Edwardo69

    I have gay friends in the service, that could kick your azz, or any enemies azz. Aranhas is a wimp!

    May 19, 2010 at 8:54 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Steve

    Being a former member of the military myself, I can categorically state that I cannot categorically speak for everyone in the military. We police the world because that what our leaders want us to do, not because we bash gay people into silence.

    May 19, 2010 at 9:01 pm | Report abuse |
  15. mama panda

    Sheesh, Aranhas. Get over it! Like Paul, I'm ashamed to think someone like you served in the US military, and represented my country. I support our troops - all of them, gay or straight. People like you though, sometimes make it hard to take pride in the armed forces.

    May 19, 2010 at 9:02 pm | Report abuse |
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