Arizona shooting: Latest developments
A makeshift memorial outside U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' District Office.
January 10th, 2011
08:21 PM ET

Arizona shooting: Latest developments

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Six people were killed and 14 others wounded, including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, when a gunman opened fire in front of a Safeway supermarket in Tucson, Arizona, authorities said. The congresswoman had been hosting a meeting with constituents Saturday morning when the attack began.

Here are the latest developments as confirmed by CNN:

[Updated at 8:19 p.m.] President Barack Obama will travel to Tucson on Wednesday, and likely will attend a memorial service and visit with the relatives of the shooting victims, many of whom he already has spoken to by phone, two senior administration officials tell CNN.

[Updated at 4:33 p.m.] Suspect Jared Lee Loughner has made a 15-minute initial appearance in a federal court in Phoenix. A judge asked Loughner whether he understood the charges - attempted assassination of a member of Congress; two counts of murder for the deaths of Judge John Roll and Gabriel Zimmerman; and two counts of attempted murder. Loughner replied that he understood.

A preliminary hearing is scheduled for January 24.

[Updated at 2:23 p.m.] Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Arizona, sent an email the night before she was shot at an event in Tucson calling for a more civil tone in politics.

Giffords offered congratulations to Kentucky Secretary of State Trey Grayson, a Republican, after he was named Director of Harvard University's Institute of Politics on Friday.

"After you get settled, I would love to talk about what we can do to promote centrism and moderation," Giffords wrote in the email, provided to CNN by Grayson. "I am one of only 12 Dems left in a GOP district (the only woman) and think that we need to figure out how to tone our rhetoric and partisanship down."

[Updated at 12:43 p.m.] Former Cuban leader Fidel Castro weighed in on the Arizona mass shooting that killed six and injured 14, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, in a column distributed Monday.

[Updated at 12:15 p.m.] Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords remains in critical condition but her condition has stabilized, doctors at Tucson's University Medical Center indicated Monday.

"We're not out of the woods yet" but are optimistic about her prospects of recovery, said Dr. Michael Lemole, chief of neurosurgery.

[Updated at 12:03 p.m.] Two patients from Saturday's shooting have been discharged and only two remain in intensive care, the chief of the department of surgery at Tucson's University Medical Center announced Monday.

Eight patients remain at Tucson's University Medical Center, Chief of Emergency Medicine Peter Rhee announced Monday. Five are in serious condition, two are in good condition, and one is in critical condition, Rhee said.

[Updated at 11:01 a.m.] President Barack Obama led the nation in a moment of silence Monday for victims of the weekend massacre in Tucson, Arizona.

[Updated at 9:47 a.m.] Judge John Roll,  one of the victims in the Arizona shooting, will leave behind a legacy as a man who put excellent attention into every component of his life, his former clerk spoke told CNN's T.J. Holmes.

[Updated at 9:15 a.m.] Dr. Steven Rayle, helped hold the Arizona gunman down and Patricia Maisch, grabbed the magazine cartridge after suspect Jared Lee Loughner allegedly opened fire in a Safeway in Tuscon, Arizona.

"You just react," Maisch told CNN about approaching the gunman. "You just do it."

[Updated at 9:01 a.m.] The University Medical Center in Tucson is expected to give an updated diagnosis on Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords condition later Monday morning after she was shot in the head.

Chief of neurosurgery at the hospital, Dr. Michael Lemole, told CNN that Rep. Giffords is 'holding her own' and that no change in her condition is a good thing.

[Updated at 8:49 a.m.] Ben McGahee, Jared Lee Loughner's former teacher at Pima Community College told CNN he believed suspect Jared Lee Loughner was a troubled man and that he was "scared of what he could do.'

[Updated at 8:34 a.m.] While the motivation for Saturday's attack in Tucson, Arizona are still unclear, a concern in Washington and in the nation at large is whether or not the current political rhetoric has gotten out of control.

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz warns that while "we cannot allow incidences like this intimidate" we still must remember that "words matter."

[Updated at 8:00 a.m.] Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, whose department is working on the case, said they have evidence showing Jared Lee Loughner "specifically targeted the congresswoman."

[Updated at 7:40 a.m.] Arizona State Representative Steve Farley talked to CNN about Gabrielle Giffords and her family who he described as remaining 'strong' and 'optimistic.'

[Updated 4:50 a.m.] Astronaut Mark Kelly, Giffords' husband, released his first public statement since the weekend shooting rampage outside an Arizona supermarket that left his wife critically injured. He thanked supporters, expressed
condolences to families of other victims and suggested that well-wishers make donations to Tucson's Community Food Bank and the American Red Cross. "Many of you have offered help. There is little that we can do but pray for those who are struggling," he said.

[Updated Monday at 2:12 a.m.] Suspect Jared Lee Loughner is scheduled to make an initial appearance before a federal magistrate in Phoenix, Arizona, Monday at 2 p.m. (4 p.m. ET),  prosecutors said.

[Updated 9:45 p.m.] Suspect Jared Lee Loughner tried to buy ammunition at a Wal-Mart a few weeks back but was turned down because of his behavior, a law enforcement source said. He then successfully bought it at a different Wal-Mart, according to the source.

[Updated 9:16 p.m.] A woman credited with wrestling an ammunition magazine from the suspect says she didn't have time to think about what she was doing. "(The suspect) pulled the magazine out of his pants pocket and it dropped onto the sidewalk. And before he could reach it, I got it," Patricia Maisch said.

[Updated 7:49 p.m.] Suspect Jared Lee Loughner was rejected by the Army for military service after failing a drug test in 2008, according to an administration official.

[Updated 7:43 p.m.] The U.S. Supreme Court says it will observe the moment of silence that President Barack Obama called for at 11 a.m. ET Monday. To accommodate this, the court will convene 10 minutes early, at 9:50 a.m. ET, so that the day's first argument before the court will be completed by 11 a.m.

[Updated 7:36 p.m.] House Democrats and Republicans participated in a rare bipartisan conference call Sunday to discuss the condition of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords as well as security concerns for members of Congress.

[Updated 6:33 p.m.] According to a federal agent's affidavit, U.S. District Judge John Roll, who was killed in the shooting, came to the Tucson from Phoenix to discuss the volume of federal cases in Arizona with Giffords.

[Updated 6:28 p.m.] The FBI has confirmed that investigators have found, questioned and cleared a man they had sought as a "person of interest" after the killings. The man was cab driver who dropped suspect Jared Lee Loughner off at the Safeway where Giffords' "Congress on Your Corner" event was being held, a law enforcement official previously said.

[Updated 6:24 p.m.] Veteran federal public defender Judy Clarke, who has experience in several high-profile cases including those of "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski and convicted terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui, was appointed to defend suspect Jared Lee Loughner, a federal judicial source said.

[Updated 6:01 p.m.] Calls to 911 following Saturday's shooting - released Sunday by the Pima County Sheriff's Office - paint a patchy picture of the scene.

[Updated 4:56 p.m.] Investigators found papers bearing the words "my assassination" and "Giffords" in a safe in the home of shooting suspect Jared Lee Loughner, according to a complaint filed against him in federal court.

[Updated 3:56 p.m.] U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords is the only person wounded in Saturday's shooting who is still in critical condition, doctors at University Medical Center in Tucson said. Three are in serious condition, six are in fair condition, and one has been released, they said.

РOfficers of the Arizona Anti-Defamation League issued a statement condemning the attack: "During her years in the statehouse, Rep. Giffords served on the ADL Arizona Regional Board. Her affiliation with ADL, which monitors and exposes hate and extremist groups, contributed to her awareness of the nexus between hate ideology and violence. It is a testament to her dedication to her constituents that despite past threats against her, Rep. Giffords has always been so accessible to the people she represents.  Our thoughts and prayers are with Congresswoman Giffords and the other victims and their families."

[Updated 3:33 p.m.] Investigators have identified and ruled out the "person of interest" they were seeking in connection with the shooting, a law enforcement official said Sunday.

[Updated 3:30 p.m.] Federal authorities have charged Jared Lee Loughner, the 22-year-old suspect in Saturday's Arizona massacre, with first-degree murder, attempted murder and attempting to kill a member of Congress, according to court documents. Read the charges here.

[Updated at 3:25 p.m.] President Barack Obama called for a moment of silence to be held at 11 a.m. ET Monday and ordered flags to be flown at half-staff.

"I call on Americans to observe a moment of silence to honor the innocent victims of the senseless tragedy in Tucson, Arizona, including those still fighting for their lives," the president said in a news release. "It will be a time for us to come together as a nation in prayer or reflection, keeping the victims and their families closely at heart."

[Updated at 2:21 p.m. ET] Law enforcement investigators were speaking with a second person in the Arizona  Safeway shootings case, a law enforcement official told CNN. It is not clear whether this individual is the same person police had sought via the release of a surveillance image from overnight. It is also unknown at this time what connection this individual may have to the investigation.

[Updated at 1:38 p.m. ET] A dark-haired man seen in a picture distributed by authorities apparently "may not have been involved at all, but we still need to verify that," Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said Sunday.

[Updated at 1:18 p.m. ET] Precautions are in place to ensure the security of public officials after the shooting of an Arizona congresswoman, although authorities are aware of no specific threat against them, FBI Director Robert Mueller told reporters Sunday.

[Updated at 1:12 p.m. ET] The suspect in the Saturday shootings of 20 people at a Tucson, Arizona, grocery store is in federal custody, FBI Director Robert Mueller told reporters. Formal charges are expected against Jared Lee Loughner Sunday afternoon, he said.

[Updated at 12:13 p.m. ET] U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona is "able to communicate" with people, and the gunshot wound she sustained Saturday did not cross from one hemisphere of the brain to the other, doctors at Tucson's University Medical Center said Sunday.

[Updated at 12:00 p.m. ET] President Obama spoke by phone late Saturday to Mark Kelly, the husband of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, who was critically injured in a mass shooting, a senior White House official said. The official told CNN that Obama "expressed his deep concern and full support" for the family in the wake of the tragedy.

[Updated at 8:49 a.m. ET] House Speaker John Boehner has asked that flags on the House side of the Capitol be flown at half-staff in the wake of the shooting in Arizona, marking the death of Gabe Zimmerman, who was Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' director of community outreach.  "An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve," Boehner said Sunday.  "Such acts of violence have no place in our society. These tragic events remind us that all of us, in our roles in service to our fellow citizens, comes with a risk. This inhuman act should not and will not deter us from our calling to represent our constituents and to fulfill our oaths of office. No act, no matter how heinous, must be allowed to stop us from our duty," Boehner said.

Authorities executed search warrants late Saturday night on a car and a residence where suspect Jared Lee Loughner  lived with his parents, a law enforcement source said.

The law enforcement source said that Loughner's parents appeared to be cooperating with authorities, but the source did not know to what extent.

Loughner, however, was still not cooperating. He had earlier invoked his right against self-incrimination.

The sheriff's office said early Sunday that the correct name of one of the victims who died in the shooting is Dorothy Morris.

The Pima County Sheriff's Department is expected to hold another news conference at 11 a.m. Sunday (1 p.m. ET).

The University Medical Center in Tucson will offer a patient condition update at 10 a.m. Sunday (12 p.m. ET).

As of 3:45 a.m. Sunday, Giffords remained in critical condition, said Darci Slaten, spokeswoman for the medical center. Of the nine other shooting victims taken to that hospital, four others were in critical condition and five were in serious condition.

Early Sunday morning, the sheriff's office released a surveillance camera photo of a male between 40 and 50 years old who is "possibly associated with the suspect." The dark-haired man was last seen wearing blue jeans and a dark blue jacket, and was seen at the location where the shooting occurred.

– At 2 p.m. Sunday, a caucus conference call has been scheduled for House Democrats and their spouses to get an update on the shooting, two congressional sources said.

– At 8:30 a.m., Speaker of the House John Boehner will address the media in West Chester, Ohio, about the shooting.

THE INCIDENT

Congresswoman Giffords was taking part in a meet-and-greet with constituents called "Congress on Your Corner" outside a Safeway grocery store in Tucson.

Before the event, she tweeted: "My 1st Congress on Your Corner starts now. Please stop by to let me know what is on your mind or tweet me later."

The attack happened about 10 minutes into the event.

Giffords did not have any security with her, said staffer Mark Kimble. "She wants to be as accessible to the people who elected her as possible," he said.

Dr. Steven Rayle was about 10 feet away from Giffords when the gunman shot the congresswoman. "He continued to fire, sort of rapidly, really at point-blank range," he said, adding that the man was shooting indiscriminately.

The suspect was tackled to the ground by two men while he was trying to reload, another witness said.

The gun, which another bystander had wrestled from the gunman, was empty and cocked open. Federal and state law enforcement sources described it as a 9mm Glock outfitted with an extended magazine.

The shooter had another magazine at the ready, according to Joe Zamudio, who said he was one of the bystanders who pinned the gunman to the ground until police showed up.

Hearing the shooting, Daniel Hernandez, a trained nurse and a Giffords intern, rushed to see what happened and used his medical training to "apply pressure to the wound and keep her active and alert," said Arizona state Rep. Steve Farley. Hernandez was Farley's former campaign manager.

THE INVESTIGATION

Officials have not stated a motive for the shooting. The suspect was not talking and had invoked his right against self-incrimination, said Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik.

At the direction of President Barack Obama, FBI Director Robert Mueller was headed to Arizona to help coordinate the investigation. The FBI is working jointly with local law enforcement. The U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Arizona said it has about a dozen people working on the investigation.

The suspect was in federal custody early Sunday morning, said Jason Ogan, spokesman for the Pima County Sheriff's Department. As such, the suspect will not face a first appearance in court Sunday, Ogan said.

Authorities released a photo of a male between 40 and 50 years old who is "possibly associated with the suspect." The dark-haired man was last seen wearing blue jeans and a dark blue jacket, and was seen at the location where the shooting occurred.

Authorities did not know whether the person they sought actually had any connection with Jared Lee Loughner, a law enforcement source told CNN. Authorities have a piece of evidence that indicates this second individual was in close proximity to the store, the source said, but declined to elaborate.

That source also said authorities were seeking search warrants for a residence and for a vehicle in connection with the suspect in custody.

A law enforcement source familiar with the investigation said the Glock used in the shootings was purchased legally, but did not have the details when or where it was bought. The extended magazine used in the shooting was likely purchased separately and at a different time, the source said. The official said such a magazine does not automatically come with a weapons purchase and it would be extremely rare for them to be sold together in one purchase.

THE CONGRESSWOMAN

Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, 40, was shot in the head and underwent surgery Saturday. Doctors were optimistic of her chances of surviving. "I'm about as optimistic as it can get in this situation," Dr. Peter Rhee of the University Medical Center said Saturday afternoon. He said the next 24 hours will be key for determining the extent of her recovery.

First elected in 2006, Giffords is serving her third term in Congress.

She narrowly beat Tea Party-backed Republican Jesse Kelly in the November midterm elections, garnering 49% to the latter's 47% of the votes.

Known as a "Blue Dog," or moderate, Democrat, Giffords was a key swing vote in last year's health care reform debate. She didn't make up her mind to vote for the legislation until the final days before the ultimate passing vote.

She is married to NASA astronaut Mark Kelly, a Navy captain who is scheduled to fly the April space shuttle mission to the international space station. She is the only U.S. representative with an active duty military spouse, according to her website.

She has no children but is stepmother to Kelly's two children, said Sylvia Lee, president of Pima County Community College in Tucson.

She had received threats in the past, Lee said. A glass panel at her Tucson office was shattered the day after the health care reform vote last year. Staffers suspected someone shot a pellet gun at the glass. At a town hall meeting, a gun fell out of a constituent's pocket. But Giffords' press secretary, C.J. Karamargin, said he was unaware of any recent threats against Giffords.

She generally voted with her party, but voted against the auto bailout bill and was one of 19 Democrats to vote against former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's bid to become the Democrats' minority leader after the midterm elections returned Republicans to power in the House.

She holds a master's degree in regional planning from Cornell University and a B.A. from Scripps College, where she was awarded a William Fulbright Scholarship to study for a year in Chihuahua, Mexico.

Before embarking on a political career, she worked for Price Waterhouse Coopers and served as chief executive officer and president of El Campo Tire, her family's business.

She then served in the Arizona Legislature from 2000 to 2005, where she was the youngest woman elected to the Arizona state Senate.

THE SUSPECTED GUNMAN

The suspect in the shooting is Jared Lee Loughner, a 22-year-old former community college student, according to an Arizona law enforcement source and a U.S. law enforcement source.

He railed against government "mind control" and illiteracy in online missives and had "kind of a troubled past," said Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik.

He also had brushes with the law, the sheriff said without elaborating. "We understand that there have been law enforcement contacts with the individual where he made threats." Court records indicate he had been arrested for possession of drug paraphernalia in 2007, but the charge was dismissed.

Loughner dropped out of high school in 2006, after his junior year, said Tamara Crawley, a spokeswoman for the Marana United School District in suburban Tucson.

In 2008, he tried to enlist in the U.S. Army. The Army rejected him, and privacy laws keep the military from disclosing the reason, the service said in a statement to CNN.

He enrolled at Aztec Middle College, a partnership between Tucson schools and Pima Community College that helps high school dropouts transition to community colleges, the community college President Sylvia Lee told CNN.

He took classes at the college from 2005 until October 2010, but withdrew after five contacts with police "for classroom and library disruptions" at two campuses between February and September, the school said.

Loughner was suspended after authorities found a YouTube video in which he called the school "illegal according to the U.S. Constitution, and makes other claims," a college statement said. He quit during an October 4 meeting with his parents and school administrators, and a follow-up letter warned that to return, he had to present a doctor's note stating that "his presence at the College does not present a danger to himself or others."

РOn his YouTube page, a list of his favorite books included both Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf" and Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels' "The Communist Manifesto," along with works by George Orwell, Ray Bradbury, Ken Kesey, Herman Hesse, Ernest Hemingway, Plato and Aesop's fables.

"Good-bye friends," read a Saturday morning posting on Loughner's MySpace page, just hours before the shooting. "Dear friends ... Please don't be mad at me. The literacy rate is below 5%. I haven't talked to one person who is literate."

A December 30 posting read, "Dear Reader ... I'm searching. Today! With every concern, my shot is now ready for aim. The hunt, a mighty thought of mine."

Online, Loughner complained about the "second Constitution," a term legal scholars sometimes use to describe the post-Civil War amendments that ended slavery, extended the right to vote and required equal protection under the law. Its meaning to Loughner could not be clearly discerned.

In an apparent reference to Giffords' congressional district, he wrote in a December 15 video message on YouTube: "The majority of people, who reside in District-8 are illiterate - hilarious."

In the same message he wrote: "If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon. I define terrorist."

THE OTHER VICTIMS

In addition to the 12 people wounded in the shooting, the following six were killed:

John Roll, 63. A native of Pennsylvania, Roll was a federal judge for the U.S. District Court for the District of Arizona who had served the legal system for nearly 40 years. He began his career as a bailiff in Pima County Superior Court and rose to be chief judge for the District of Arizona, a position he held since 2006.

He received death threats two years ago after he ruled that a $32 million civil-rights lawsuit filed by illegal immigrants against a rancher in the state could proceed. He had been assigned to hear the ethnic studies ban case out of Tucson that involves a new law banning certain ethnic studies programs in public schools, according to the lead attorney on the case, Richard Martinez. Chief Justice of the United States John Roberts called Roll's death a tragic loss.

Christina Taylor Greene, 9. She was born on September 11, 2001, according to CNN affiliate KVOA. Family members described her as "excited" about the political process, and said the desire to learn more about it had motivated her to go to the Gifford event, the affiliate said. Christina had just been elected to the student council at her school, the Arizona Republic reported. She died at a hospital, and not at the scene like the other five.

Gabe Zimmerman, 30. A Tucson native who was engaged to be married, Zimmerman was the director of community outreach for the congresswoman.

Dorwin Stoddard, 76. Dory, as his family calls him, was a retired construction worker, said Pastor Mike Nowak at Mount Avenue Church of Christ in Tucson. Witnesses told CNN that Stoddard tried to shield his wife, Mavy, was shot in the head and fell on her. The wife was shot three times in her legs; the bullets were removed and she is expected to make a full recovery.

Dorothy Morris, 76

Phyllis Scheck, 79

THE REACTION

Following the shootings, all legislation on the House schedule for the coming week was postponed, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor said. The decision was made by leaders of both parties and means the House will not vote next week on the repeal of health care reform.

Although U.S. Capitol Police said there was no evidence of a broader threat involving federal officials, it has advised other members of Congress to take "reasonable and prudent precautions regarding their personal safety and security." The House sergeant at arms also said "it is essential" that lawmakers contact local police to register their home and office addresses.

Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villasenor said his department had secured the homes and offices of some unnamed federal officials as a "precautionary measure."

Rep. Chellie Pingree, D-Maine, said an incident like this could have a chilling effect on the frequent weekend listening sessions that many members of Congress have with their constituents.

– In Tucson, supporters gathered outside the University Medical Center, keeping vigil as family members waited with wounded loved ones inside. On the other side of the country, dozens of marchers braved subfreezing temperatures and gusty winds to gather on Capitol Hill for a candlelight vigil Saturday night.

QUOTES

President Barack Obama: "We do not yet have all the answers. What we do know is that such a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society."

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer: "I am just heartbroken. Gabby is more than just a colleague, she is my friend. She has always been a noble public servant."

John Roberts, chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, on the death of one of the victims, Judge U.S. District Judge John Roll: "Chief Judge Roll's death is a somber reminder of the importance of the rule of law and the sacrifices of those who work to secure it."

U.S. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi: "Congresswoman Giffords is a brilliant and courageous member of Congress, bringing to Washington the views of a new generation of national leaders. It is especially tragic that she was attacked as she was meeting with her constituents whom she serves with such dedication and distinction."

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio: "An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve. Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society."

U.S. Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona: "I am horrified by the violent attack on Representative Gabrielle Giffords and many other innocent people by a wicked person who has no sense of justice or compassion.  ... Whoever did this, whatever their reason, they are a disgrace to Arizona, this country and the human race, and they deserve and will receive the contempt of all decent people and the strongest punishment of the law."

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin: "There is no place in our society or discourse for such senseless and unconscionable acts of violence."

THE RHETORIC

Officials have not stated a motive for the shooting.

Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik used a nationally televised press conference to condemn the tone of political discourse in his state. He charged that public debate is now "vitriolic rhetoric," which has rendered Arizona "the mecca for prejudice and bigotry." Dupnik suggested that such rhetoric can have deadly consequences.

Last March, Giffords raised concerns about inflammatory rhetoric after her office was vandalized, and she cited how her name appeared on a website titled "Take back the 20" as part of a list originally issued by former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin in March 2010 against vulnerable House Democrats.

The list, which named 20 House members who voted for health care reform, showed crosshairs over the contested Democratic districts.

At the time, Giffords responded to the map by saying on MSNBC that her long-serving colleagues had "never seen anything like it." "The thing is, the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district," Giffords said in March. "When people do that, they've got to realize there's consequences to that action."

A day after Giffords voted in favor of health care reform, a glass panel at her Tucson office was shattered.

At a town hall meeting, a gun fell out of a constituent's pocket.

Giffords' press secretary, C.J. Karamargin, said he was unaware of any recent threats against Giffords.

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    but why aren't the most important politicians adequately protected?
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    January 10, 2011 at 5:54 am | Report abuse |
    • Bill from Rotonda Florida

      Who to provide protection for our congressmen? How does anyone make that decision? How does anyone choose one over another? Clearly something needs to be done – prehaps concentrate on protecting public venues somehow. What a sad statement on our society that we have to now take draconian measures to harden even the smallest meet and greet venues. But this is the cost of surviving in a dangerous society. Oddly this is the cost of protecting our liberties. With that said, we should not jump into any decision without some sort of concensus.

      January 10, 2011 at 9:10 am | Report abuse |
    • Tony

      Look, just go to amren(dot)com, the website for right wing fringe group "American Reneissance". Jared Loughner was a member of this group. The first thing you see there is Tea Party flags. What other proof do you people need?

      January 10, 2011 at 9:59 am | Report abuse |
    • james darnley

      IF THIS DOES NOT CALL FOR TOUGHER GUN LAWS ACROSS THE NATION I DON;T KNOW WHAT DOES.BUY AMMO AT A WAL-MART THAT IS JUST SO WRONG ON SO MANY DIFFERENT LEVELS.IT IS TO EASY TO GET A GUN IN CERTAIN STATES.THE WHOLE NATION NEEDS THE TOUGHEST GUN LAWS THEY CAN COME UP WITH.FORGET TRYING TO WASTE THE PEOPL;S TIME TRYING T0 RE-PEAL HEATH CARE WHEN IT CAN;T BE DONE COME UP WITH TOUGHER GUN LAWS

      January 10, 2011 at 10:01 am | Report abuse |
    • Gary

      Hey Darnley, turn of your caps lock. We all thank you

      January 10, 2011 at 10:15 am | Report abuse |
    • Justin

      james darnley
      you are an idiot for thinking we need to stricken our weapon laws. its because of our right to bare arms we have one of the most well defended countries in the world. This has nothing to do with the situation.

      January 10, 2011 at 10:54 am | Report abuse |
    • bobby hong

      yes, it is tragic & sad. What's even worse is that with all the knowledge & intellect that that brought us blogs, tweets, IM, 24/7 "news", we as a society are degrading a into narrow-minded, uncivil, intolerant mob, uncaring for the common weal, but ever mindful that it is 'us against them', my religion or god is better or right and yours is wrong or is a false one. Judging others, and cruelty is entertainment, unfettered capitalism is the most efficient solution to every problem, even if individuals or some rain forests & its human inhabitants get wiped from the earth. America's greatest contribution to the world is the degree of individual liberty afforded its citizens. But lately that gift seem to be squandered for the worst kind of values. I'm not surprised mentally deficient individuals often take our culture's cues and act out in horrific ways. But in a sense, these individuals are only canaries in the coal mine of modern technologic life. Most of us are too 'sane' to be so fatally sensitive to the poisons that surround us. American society's, & ultimately, mankind's only hope is that enough individuals will realize that knowledge is nothing without wisdom.

      January 10, 2011 at 11:00 am | Report abuse |
    • Gary

      Justin, you can't write a correct sentence but they let a moron like you have a gun. Point made. No guns for stupid uneducated people (baggers) A better world for us all

      January 10, 2011 at 11:04 am | Report abuse |
    • Craig

      james darnley: The Wal-Mart locations that sell guns and ammunition have a federal firearms license, same as any gun store. Why does this upset you so much? In every way, legally and ethically, buying ammo from them is the exact same as buying it from Bass Pro, Cabelas, or a small independently owned gun store. It seems as if you're basically mad because a store sells things.

      Wal-Mart also sells alcohol, which according to the Centers for Disease control, is directly responsible for over 75,000 premature deaths every year. That's almost 9 times the amount of firearms homicides in 2009, so where is your moral panic there?

      January 10, 2011 at 11:08 am | Report abuse |
    • keeper

      Can someone please explain to me why not one media outlet is discussing how a 23 year old mentally unstable man can walk into a hardware store in Arizona and buy a semi automatic weapon?

      Instead of talking about increasing congressional budgets for their personal security why don't they just enact a comprehensive federal hand gun legislation to prevent this from truly ever happening again.

      January 10, 2011 at 11:13 am | Report abuse |
    • Craig

      keeper: From what I've read, it was legally bought at a sporting goods store about a month before the shooting. He was allowed to buy it because, while pretty obviously crazy now, he was not declared mentally unfit. It should be noted that when you buy a gun- any gun, not just a handgun- you do have to pass an FBI background check that will deny you if you've ever previously committed a violent crime or been declared mentally unstable. The problem is that this guy managed to fool even a licensed psychiatric professional, receiving a clean bill of mental health from one a while back in order to return to college after a suspension.

      January 10, 2011 at 11:29 am | Report abuse |
    • Mark P. Moyer

      A principal source of errors and injustice are false ideas of utility. For example: that legislator has false ideas of utility ... who would deprive men of the use of fire for fear of their being burnt, and of water for fear of their being drowned; and who knows of no means of preventing evil but by destroying it.

      The laws of this nature are those which forbid to wear arms, disarming those only who are not disposed to commit the crime which the laws mean to prevent. ... It certainly makes the situation of the assaulted worse, and of the assailants better, and rather encourages than prevents murder, as it requires less courage to attack unarmed than armed persons. Thomas Jefferson

      January 10, 2011 at 11:31 am | Report abuse |
    • steve

      tony, since he's not talking and the AR insists he is not one of them are you just psychic or something. Speculation/rumor doesn't help anyone.

      January 10, 2011 at 11:34 am | Report abuse |
    • widg159

      Y'all need to get over it, that symbol on Palin's map could just as easily be interpreted as the view thru the transom of a surveyors tool. Terms like 'in the sights of', 'targeting', 'taking aim at' have been used by both the right and the left. Example; obama saying, 'you bring a knife to the fight and I'll bring a gun'.

      January 10, 2011 at 11:38 am | Report abuse |
    • Unit34Hunt

      People focusing on gun laws in this incident are fishing for red herring. The perp is an obvious schizophrenic. So why was he walking around undiagnosed and untreated? Was it that his family had no access to health care for him?

      Blaming the accessibility of firearms for the actions of schizos is like blaming the accessibility of cars for the actions of drunks.

      January 10, 2011 at 11:42 am | Report abuse |
    • Tim Porter

      This is a tragedy that was brought on by the right wing republican views that were bled over into the 'Tea-baggers'. I'm a progressive democrat that is smart enough to know that more gun laws will NEVER prevent crimes of this nature. The gun laws only restrict the law abiding citizens of their god given right to protect themselves and their families. The criminals will always have guns. What we need to restrict is: the languange we use to stress our point. Sarah(the idiot) Palin had no business plcing those cross-hairs! She should do time in prison for this! We need to tell the 'Right Wingers' to STOP THE MADNESS!!!!!

      January 10, 2011 at 12:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Punkass

      @ Tony, you're an idiot and should stop posting on here. Look, just because some loan nut does something stupid doesnt condemn the whole group he belongs too. This kid was messed up for a long time. Your ignorance disgusts me especially since you try to come off as "holier than thou" over "right wing apologists"......loser.

      January 10, 2011 at 12:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • JS76

      mld1973 and anyone else who is jumping to the conclusion that this is somehow Sarah Palin's fault, its nice to see u all speculating about the motive for these horrible killings ... kinda reminds me of how CNN DID NOT handle the Fort Hood incident and the terrorist Maj. Hasan. If you need a refresher of how CNN and the entire media "cautioned" everyone about jumping to conclusions, read this article – http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/journalists-urged-caution-after-ft-hood-now-race-blame-palin-afte – and then consider what you are saying. Have a good one!

      January 10, 2011 at 12:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • JN

      What I still want to know, is where were this guy's parents? They had to have realized that their son was off his rocker, and how do you not notice when someone under your roof is bringing in handguns, has a safe, etc. I mean a person suspended from college for being unstable + handguns, a safe and weird internet postings never equals a good outcome.

      January 10, 2011 at 12:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nick

      "We need more Gun Laws"....I knew this statement would appear .......Anyone who thinks more gun laws would have stopped this tragedy, is living a delusion! Criminals obtain guns all the time and all the gun laws in the world hasn't stopped them. What makes you think more gun laws would have stopped this? No, more roadblocks to identify and treat the mentally ill is what is needed. Every single time something happens with a gun in this country, right away the cut off your nose to spite your face rhetoric starts. When will people realize this won't work?!!

      I own guns and am proud of my 2nd amendment freedoms and I'll be damned if I'll agree to more senseless kneejerk gun laws. More laws do nothing but screw the law abiding that much more. Get the nutjobs off the street, put them away where they can get help, but no lets ignore the real problems and put a bandaid on a hemmorage, and treat it with the wrong drugs!

      January 10, 2011 at 12:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Gary

      Hey Craigy,
      You kill yourself with alcohol. Not so with guns but you could try if you want to. No great loss, I'm sure. Judging by your obvious intellect I doubt this forum would miss you

      January 10, 2011 at 12:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Maria Jolicoeur

      Probably because the politicians do not realize the importance of being protected from a gunman or from physical harm. Martin Luther King's birthday is this Friday, January 15 and we will celebrate the legal holiday this weekend. In his famous 'I HAD A DREAM SPEECH'...his words.."let us not judge by the color of one's skin, but, by the content of one's integrity...." those words will always linger, he, too, did not get the protection he needed when he was shot and killed as he stood on the balcony of his motel.

      January 10, 2011 at 12:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Craig

      Gary: classy. I point out that Wal-Mart is federally licensed to sell ammo, complying with the same laws as a dedicated gun store, and ask someone to explain why that upsets them. There is literally no difference between a gun store and Wal-Mart selling ammo aside from the fact that Wal-Mart sells stuff that isn't just guns. I then point out that one of those other things that Wal-Mart causes far more damage to society, back it up with a reliable source and figures, and asked to substantiate his outrage without ignoring my (rather sound) logic. Instead of showing evidence Wal-Mart is lax or negligent when it comes to selling ammo (they're actually more stringent that is required, from my personal experience) he disappears. Your only reply is to insult my intelligence (while using improper punctuation, capitalization, and grammar) and tell me to kill myself so on top of not being smart enough to support your argument you're also a hypocrite and sociopath. Nice.

      January 10, 2011 at 12:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sparky101

      Tony, it has been reported that the shooter was NOT a member of this group. As to tea party flags, I'm not sure I've seen any tea party flags. Can I buy one from a Tea Party site as an official Tea Party flag? That's rhetorical. Are people not free to carry any flag they wish? Does the Tea Party demand people attend an official Tea Party Indoctrination Class, sign an agreement to uphold a certain doctrine, and learn a secret Tea Party handshake? Tony, could you falsely claim to be a Tea Party member and post a picture of you in official Tea Party garb with a gun at someone's head and a racist sign? Could anyone else do likewise? Just askin'.

      January 10, 2011 at 1:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Gary

      Craigy,
      I never suggested that you kill yourself unless that is in your general intent. Your comparing alcohol and ammunition does not make any sense. A person kills themselves with alcohol but kilss others with ammo unless they are stupid enough to shoot themselves. I appreciate the grammar and spelling help from you. With your vast knowlege of Walmart, I hope you get a prmotion to assistant deparment manager. Good luck with your career and remember the customer is always right

      January 10, 2011 at 4:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Gary

      Perhaps requiring a legitimate college degree would be a good start towards keeping guns out of the hands of idiots

      January 10, 2011 at 4:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sparky101

      Tony, your rants are so tiresome, but worse is your avoidance of providing any proof when you are pressed for facts. On this one, I again request that you provide the evidence that this shooter was a member of the group you mention.

      January 10, 2011 at 6:11 pm | Report abuse |
  2. really?

    The idiot needs to be on death row, and routinely abused by his cell mates since he shows no remorse for killing so many including a 9 year old innocent girl.

    January 10, 2011 at 6:16 am | Report abuse |
    • USN Atheist

      Unfortunately he will probably get an insanity plea and live out his days in a psych ward. Even if he does avoid the death penalty and gets life in prison, he will be isolated from the gen pop for his own safety. I do not agree with it but that is the way it works. I personally would love to see him in gen pop...he wouldn't last very long.

      January 10, 2011 at 1:13 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Sidewinder

    A psychiatric assessment pegged this guy as "not a danger to himself or others". He slipped through societys cracks with deadly consequences.

    January 10, 2011 at 7:01 am | Report abuse |
    • Michael J of Springfield, Oh

      Sidewinder learn to read the school said that he could return as long as he was seen by a loony doc and determinded not to be a threat!

      January 10, 2011 at 12:24 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Gma

    Hey!!! What happened to the 400+ posts that were on here earlier? I read them all...

    January 10, 2011 at 7:17 am | Report abuse |
  5. helenhull102951

    Dude you really (SCREWED THE POOCH) on this ill-planned, boneheaded, and unnessesary deal... Really, there were other ways to get the attention that you so badly need. Granted the gov does'nt always pay attention to the people's wishs, but to shoot up a politcal meeting in a public place, well this was a total disregaurd for human life!!! You my ignorent friend have no clue what this governmemt is capable of but I have a strong hunch you're about to find out the hard way. But then again, the leagal and court systems are pretty flakey when it comes to cases like this one.. However they handle it, if you were'nt screwed up before this stunt you are most definetly going to screwed after they are finished with you.. You may wanna go ahead and request mental help now... Whatever the outcome of your trail, you still have to live knowing that you took the live's of innocent people. This in it's self will eat you alive inside.. I hope you get a photo of the child you killed and let it burn into your mind!!! You deserve the death penalty, and I hope they give you the firing squad, no blindfold no last comments and no MERCY!!! Satan is going to enjoy having you in hell where you'll suffer for eternaty... *Wayne*

    January 10, 2011 at 7:26 am | Report abuse |
  6. Jim

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epdJWNA65oY&w=640&h=390]

    January 10, 2011 at 7:33 am | Report abuse |
  7. Tom

    When are we going to wake up and finally out-law hand guns.

    January 10, 2011 at 7:40 am | Report abuse |
    • JC

      I would like to think that would help, but if he were denied possession of a gun then he might decide to build some sort of explosive device. One of the benefits of the internet.

      January 10, 2011 at 7:54 am | Report abuse |
    • Try to Be Civil

      Maybe we need to start first with civility for EVERYONE and work from there. Unfortunately, it will take decades to achieve it. But wouldn't it be a great legacy to leave the next generation.

      January 10, 2011 at 8:44 am | Report abuse |
    • Craig

      I see a lot of rhetoric thrown around about banning handgun but I'm not sure why. If he had been denied access to a handgun, he simply could have hacksawed the barrel off a hunting shotgun and had a close range weapon that can fire between nine and twelve pellets per shot, each pellet individually just as powerful as the 9mm handgun he used. If he had a simple hunting rifle, he could have picked off people with impunity from down the street rather than being subdued by bystanders a few feet away. Both of these types of hunting guns are far, far more powerful than a handgun. Your average deer rifle, compared to the 9mm bullet the killer used here, has in the neighborhood of 8 times the amount of muzzle energy. While fewer people may have been hit had he not used a handgun, the people hit certainly would have been very dead, including Rep Giffords.

      January 10, 2011 at 10:57 am | Report abuse |
    • NorCalMojo

      2/3 of both houses and 3/4 of the states. Just like they taught you in civics class.

      January 10, 2011 at 1:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • USN Atheist

      Though you probably have heard it before – If you outlaw guns (handguns), only outlaws will have guns.

      January 10, 2011 at 1:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • nheckt

      you are retarded

      January 10, 2011 at 1:35 pm | Report abuse |
  8. HAD ENOUGH

    People say he should be on death row but if you think about it yes his life will be over but that just seems the easy way out. At 22 years old and life without parole he will have YEARS AND YEARS to live and think about it not to mention MANY, MANY Boyfriends. 50, 60, 70 years is not the easy way out

    January 10, 2011 at 7:43 am | Report abuse |
    • Wow

      So are you willing to pay for his incarceration? Tax payers pay for these creeps to stay in prison and personally, I'd rather have my money go toward something more useful than keeping a killer alive.

      January 10, 2011 at 11:42 am | Report abuse |
    • JN

      To Wow – Unfortunately, if you look into it, it costs significantly more to put a person on death row than to pay for life in prison. So, in terms of tax dollar money and a more suitable punishment, I think Had Enough may be on the right track.

      January 10, 2011 at 12:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Agree

      Agreed, so many resources are used for the death penalty plus the long court cases and long death row line makes it very expensive. Usually incarcerating prisoners for life actually is cheaper than the death penalty.

      January 10, 2011 at 12:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • USN Atheist

      I think the death penalty should be kept on the table. It only took a little over 6 years to finally get McVeigh strapped to the table after OK City. I think 6 years letting this piece of sh-t rot is fair so long as he gets the needle in the end. Yes I would prefer for it to be sooner but our justice system has to work for the obivious as well as the questionable.

      January 10, 2011 at 1:10 pm | Report abuse |
  9. emunadate

    We need to find better security to protect our people. Maybe we can learn from Israel. They have the best security in the world....http://emunadate.blogspot.com/2011/01/packages.html

    January 10, 2011 at 7:51 am | Report abuse |
    • jorge washinsen

      How many Americans would trade their life in America for a life in Israel? One recently went for a vacation and was killed for no reason at all. Hate knows no borders.Israel faces threats every day.

      January 10, 2011 at 10:00 am | Report abuse |
    • nheckt

      they have the best security because racial profile, this guy is just nuts

      January 10, 2011 at 1:39 pm | Report abuse |
  10. amy

    just one thing interests me right now, beyond the fate of the victims. Who poured gasoline on this man's insanity.

    Which authors, professors, evangelists, politicians, or media personalities helped to direct his frenzy?

    there is so much hate in america right now. 50% of the movies in theaters are about devils, or werewolves or witches.

    Hate radio is often the only thing on the radio in some states. And extreme politicians have abandoned us for for their

    own self serving agendas. The message this guy got came from us. All of us. We are to blame. Now we have to stop

    it!

    January 10, 2011 at 7:52 am | Report abuse |
    • jorge washinsen

      I have not seen Hitlers diary or the communist manifesto shown on Fox lately.

      January 10, 2011 at 9:55 am | Report abuse |
    • Tony

      People, see it for yourselves, Look, just go to amren(dot)com, the website for right wing fringe group "American Reneissance". Jared Loughner was a member of this group. The first thing you see there is Tea Party flags. What other proof do you people need?

      January 10, 2011 at 10:00 am | Report abuse |
    • Slobo

      I don't get how people link him to Palin or anyone else – do you realy think that this guy cares what is on Palin's website? If you want to be so narrow minded, blame every politician that has used the word enemy, blame the news for reporting it, blame TV shows that show violence. He hated Giffords becasue she snubbed one of his crazy questions about grammer – what person or party talks about grammer? Quit trying to link or blame this to someone, unless you're going to blame the grammer party. The people on here blaming the party they are not part of, makes me sick. The guy was crazy, he did something crazy, that is all it was. There is nothing short of taking every freedom we have away that would stop this from happening.

      January 10, 2011 at 11:15 am | Report abuse |
    • steve

      insanity has no political affiliation, trying to justify the acts of the deranged is impossible. His delusional ranting should give you a clue.

      January 10, 2011 at 11:39 am | Report abuse |
    • DL

      And ironically.........a few months ago I can remember a few rallies taking place where the message was to tone down the rhetoric because something like this was going to happen. But just as always, the response was 'we are taking back OUR country'. So the obvious question I have is, exactly who determined America to be 'your' country? We ALL live, here, and we ALL have a voice...at what point in time did we 'give' our rights to be heard away? Anybody that doesn't agree with you has become the enemy and 'hates' America. It amazes me that people who actually want to invest in the future of America are vilified. And if you can't see that, then there is something seriously wrong w/ this country.

      January 10, 2011 at 11:40 am | Report abuse |
  11. Artt

    Though I realize that the gunman is solely responsible for his insane actions, maybe the likes of Sarah Palin and other Tea Partiers who use violent references and icons to get their point across will END with this? Palin HAS blood on her hands.

    January 10, 2011 at 8:13 am | Report abuse |
    • bob

      i don't get it, a left wing pothead goes off the deep end and its sarah palin's fault?

      January 10, 2011 at 9:11 am | Report abuse |
    • Gary

      Tony, Thank you for a very well researched & written post. Rarely does that happen around here. Bravo my friend

      January 10, 2011 at 10:20 am | Report abuse |
    • Tony

      Welcome. Just trying to stop the spin and deliver the honest Gods truth.

      January 10, 2011 at 10:30 am | Report abuse |
    • feihC

      Obama: ‚ÄėIf They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun‚Äô.
      What say you to that statement made by Obamonation himself in 2008 election? Oh its prob. okay that he said that huh? Because Liberals talk out the sides of their heads 90% of the time

      January 10, 2011 at 10:58 am | Report abuse |
    • LDRP

      Anyone who has been inciting hatred and violence against other citizens of this country has blood on their hands.

      Stop telling me who to hate.

      January 10, 2011 at 12:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • What

      feihC: The congresswoman did not have a knife

      January 10, 2011 at 1:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • NorCalMojo

      If you want to blame the media on this, I'd go with bands like rage against the machine.

      Maybe Alex Jones.

      This guy is no tea partier. He's a neo-anarchist nutjob. WTO riot type.

      January 10, 2011 at 1:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • nheckt

      I have read that 20 times before you, and everytime it does not amaze me how stupid you are. Plain and simple

      January 10, 2011 at 1:41 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Jack

    Welcome to the USA where "Violence is as American as apple pie."

    January 10, 2011 at 8:19 am | Report abuse |
  13. twaddle

    It's "Violence is as American as cherry pie."

    January 10, 2011 at 8:20 am | Report abuse |
  14. Dan Santos

    People like Palin, Beck, Shawn, Rush and the rest of the Fox News people should be ashamed. Although they did not call for the shooting they fertalized the garden of hate with their bull crap. There are many nut cases in our society who are looking for the blessing to do some radical violence and we can thank the right wing for this.

    January 10, 2011 at 8:21 am | Report abuse |
    • Gary

      And a high proportion of them are baggers, who are sheeple who follow O'rally, hannity & Beck. If yhey hear it on fox it must be news,just like if they read it in National enquirer,it must be news. Hate breeds hate & fox is the uneducated preacher

      January 10, 2011 at 8:53 am | Report abuse |
    • kls1957

      Yes, lets let this incident be an excuse to stifle free speech. Only views supported by the left wing should be allowed.
      Stalin and Mao can serve as our role models.

      January 10, 2011 at 9:35 am | Report abuse |
    • jorge washinsen

      I have yet to learn how all these people have learned about the Becks,Palins and Tea partiers.They seem to have some inside information or have their eyes and ears and noses stuck in Fox News.Or could it be they don't trust the Liberal news media.

      January 10, 2011 at 9:46 am | Report abuse |
    • Gary

      Krissy 1957
      Just to help you out, Stalin & mou would be considered to be conservatives, but you were close

      January 10, 2011 at 9:48 am | Report abuse |
    • jorge washinsen

      they ain't all right wingers.

      January 10, 2011 at 9:52 am | Report abuse |
    • Ancient Texan

      The shooter is a far left nut case and it's Palin's fault? Learn how to read! There is no indication that this unbalanced man had a link to any group or was incited to violence by any individual from either the right or left.

      January 10, 2011 at 10:09 am | Report abuse |
    • tim

      in what way is Stalin and Mao are right wing? If they are please define it, odds are that Democrats are right wing along with the republicans, thus we NEED to truly liberal party.

      January 10, 2011 at 10:31 am | Report abuse |
    • Gary

      Timmy
      Read before you write. I said they would be considered conservatives. you somehow read that as right wing. Either you do not know the difference or have special needs.Read the words

      January 10, 2011 at 10:47 am | Report abuse |
    • Dan Carey

      Dan– there is no hope that right wing radio and TV will stop bringing out the worst in people. They are demagogues that appeal to peoples fears and prejudices and are paid millions to do so. Can't folks see that all the common people in this world are in the same boat regardless of color or religion?

      January 10, 2011 at 10:53 am | Report abuse |
    • Punkass

      Tony, you are my new target. You use rather large words to make yourself sound smarter, than say all you want is the gods honest truth yet all you have done is sprew hate and misinformation. Anyone who is that onesided needs to be considered a threat and that is you. If someone is a repub, you hate, if they watch Fox news, they're wrong, if they arent Dem, then they're evil. Grow up ....I could quote just as many BS Dem's as you can repubs. Go after the real issues.

      January 10, 2011 at 12:22 pm | Report abuse |
  15. banasy

    This kid was obviously a disturbed individual...mentally disturbed. The psychiatrist who said he was not a danger to himself or others should have HIS compentency scrutinized...he sure got it wrong this time!

    And weren't his parents aware there was something wrong with his thinking? Ot did they ever bother to go down into the basement to check on him? (I'm being facetious on the basement thing!)

    And way to go, Way-Mart, for not noticing that his behavior was erratic! Get a gallon of milk, get some underwear, get some ammo...get a policy, for God's sake!!!!

    Finally, much, much sympathy to those who lost loved ones, and special condolences to the parents of that special little girl who was so interested in life that she unfortunately ended up losing her precious life. I am so, so saddened by this!!!!

    January 10, 2011 at 8:28 am | Report abuse |
    • nheckt

      I don't understand, how this is Walmarts fault. They sell a product. It is legal and when I go there I buy the same thing groceries and ammo. Typically, the groceries are for me going hunting for the weekend. What am I missing here?

      January 10, 2011 at 1:46 pm | Report abuse |
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