April 19th, 2011
12:41 PM ET

18 years ago, David Koresh called CNN

Sundays are usually slow in the news business. But there are exceptions.

February 28, 1993, was one of them.

Around 12:45 p.m., CNN national weekend editor Dave Schechter was overseeing the network's national desk when a young assignment editor stood up with his hand over a phone receiver. "I've got someone on the line who says they're in Waco," he announced to his boss. "I'm not sure but I think I heard a gunshot."

A few seconds later, the call dropped.

"All I knew was that someone called from somewhere in Texas about something," Schechter said. "Keep in mind, this is an age before Google. We can't just go online, plug in Texas and see what might be going on. And I couldn't just ring someone's cell phone. We had none of that."

Few outside of the Central Texas town had heard of the Branch Davidians, or their leader David Koresh. The Waco newspaper had only days before published a series called "The Sinful Messiah" about Koresh and his odd followers living in a country compound. And on February 28, the Associated Press had not yet moved a word about the gun battle that had erupted that morning between the Davidians and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives which left several dead on both sides. Koresh had been shot in the side.

Read about Davidians whose relatives died at the compound but still believe Koresh is the messiah

Schechter called CNN's Dallas bureau chief Tony Clark. The correspondent knew about the newspaper stories, and gave Schechter a rundown: Koresh was a charismatic leader of a fundamental off-shoot of the Seventh Day Adventist Church who preached that the Bible foretold the end times. Federal agents had been watching the Davidians for some time, suspecting them of stockpiling military-style weapons with the intention of building an "Army for God."

Watch how the story of the Waco siege began

Clark was dispatched to Waco.

Around 2:30, another call came into CNN. This time Schechter picked up. It was Steve Schneider, David Koresh's right-hand man.

"He was shouting, 'There are women and children in here and they're shooting at us!'" Schechter remembers. "He wanted to talk and tell us everything was going on. Schneider was saying there were people inside (the Davidian compound) and some have weapons. Koresh was wounded.

"So we know the federal agents are massing. We have that sense. And I'm trying to get an idea of how many people are inside," Schechter explains. "I'm just scribbling notes furiously. There are people standing around me. I'm listening and I'm telling another supervisor to start calling the network's executives.

"At some point, I told Schneider, 'You have to explain to me who you are.'

"Boy, did I get an explanation."

Schneider launches into a diatribe about the Davidian faith, giving the editor an earful about how the Bible's Book of Revelation and Seven Seals predict the apocalypse.

"I must confess, I didn't understand him," said Schechter. "Most of my conversation, on my end, I'm asking, carefully, 'Can we please get someone on air to talk to us?'"

While the conversation continues, another CNN editor calls the Waco reporter who wrote the "Sinful Messiah" series, according to Bob Furnad, then the network's executive vice president.

The editor plays a short recording of Schneider's conversation with CNN over the phone to the reporter.

"We wanted to be absolutely certain that this guy was who he said he was before we continued," Furnad told CNN.com. "The Waco reporter said, 'Oh, yeah, that's Schneider.'"

The hours continue to tick by. Schechter remains in his seat and on the call the whole time.

Around 7 p.m., David Koresh gets on the phone.

"If I thought Steve Schneider's theology was difficult to understand, this was off the charts. Koresh started giving me sermons – the Seven Seals, all of his beliefs," Schechter recalls.

He knows Koresh had been shot.

"I would say he was lucid, but I wouldn't say he was coherent," the editor remembers. "He was talking very fast and what he was saying was difficult to follow."

While Schechter tried to keep Koresh in good favor, by then "various network people running up the food chain" were standing behind Schechter.

Koresh agrees to go live on air, and Schechter tells him he must transfer him to the control room so that CNN anchor David French can conduct the interview from CNN studios in Washington.

"Koresh panics – he's like, 'What? You're not the one who's going to be interviewing to me? You're giving me to someone else?' I might have told him it was going to be fine. I don't remember."

French, in Washington, with as much information as anyone had, manages to talk to Koresh live. Watch the interview

"Almost immediately, the feds were calling executives, livid beyond the point of being apoplectic," Schechter recalled. "They were like, 'How did you do this? You shouldn't be doing this!' Something like that, I'm not sure, but we responded by saying, 'We didn't call them, they called us.'"

As soon as the interview concludes, the FBI calls CNN executives.

"They were pissed off, saying to us, 'Why have you been tying up the phone lines when we need them? They [the Davidians] have hostages,'" Furnad recalls.

"Well, we don't know if they are hostages or they are there of their own free will," Furnad said. "We told the FBI that we had the phone line for all of eight minutes and you guys are welcome to it now."

The FBI then asked CNN if it would work with the agency to call the compound, and allow the feds to listen in. Furnad called Tom Johnson, then the president of the network.

Furnad says he and Johnson's immediate reaction was: No way.

"We were not going to become the story," Furnad recalls. Listen to the FBI's negotiations with Koresh

With the call finally off his hands, Schechter takes a breather and a much needed bathroom break. He heads home.

It was just the beginning at the Davidian compound. Over the next 50 days, CNN would cover a nationally harrowing saga which culminated in a conflagration that killed dozens of people, including more than 20 children.

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  1. jj

    lol banansy its ok Grr that article just struck a nerve

    April 19, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
  2. banasy

    I guess, jj! I'll have to re-read it!

    April 19, 2011 at 3:42 pm | Report abuse |
  3. George Dimitri


    What article regarding Trump are you referring too? I agree with you, in general, about the propaganda machine and the media. It's all sensationalism. Why the H$$L do I read it?

    Anyways, are your serious about Trump? Trump doesn't need any "help" from the media. The guy is his own media circus, wearing a orange wig. I'm sorry but he's a megalomanic, arrogant, ignorant fool who rents his property for gaddafi to pitch his big tent on. You think this country is in a bad way now, if Trump were to be elected President that would be the end.

    We don't need the media, CNN, the propaganda machine to smear him. He'll do it on his own and I will gladly help out. And for what it's worth, I'm not a mindless troll. That would be Trump.

    April 19, 2011 at 4:56 pm | Report abuse |
  4. ole Lady

    We've have dealt with religious cults all thru history. And there' more out there. We'll be seeing more of then in the near future. I wonder what will be said on 12-22-12 when the prediction doesn't come true. We are definitely in for change.

    April 19, 2011 at 5:21 pm | Report abuse |
  5. raven

    The govt has always whitewashed their mistakes. They came in guns blazing,then couldnt back-pedal. Did the same thing at Ruby Ridge .

    April 19, 2011 at 6:02 pm | Report abuse |
  6. jj

    well to be fair the Trump article is under the entertainment section but still propaganda they have been doing it to Palin for years but apparently CNN has gotten bored with her whats funny is that Trump is not even on the campaign trail and his popularity is skyrocketing So that leaves Cnn scratching their heads as to why he is so popular Its ok to be scared Cnn it is after all a natural human emotion

    April 19, 2011 at 6:27 pm | Report abuse |
  7. banasy

    I agree, raven, my sista, that the FBI tends to paint themselves in the best possible light. Ruby Ridge was handled badly as well. The Feebies took a lot of slack for that, and justifiably so. It was years before anyone could trust the integrity of the FBI again...and there are many who still don't.

    @ole lady: I couldn't agree more. With 2012 coming up fast, the crazies are going to come out of the woodwork...just as they have in years past. Remember Y2K and all the kookiness that caused? Ooooh...computers are going to stop the world from spinning! Ooooh, the end of the world is near! Has anybody ever considered the idea that the Mayans stopped work on their calendar because they...wait for it... were conquered? On December 13th, here will be another goofball out there giving us the next date people are going to get hysterical over....

    April 19, 2011 at 7:20 pm | Report abuse |
  8. ole Lady

    Well its been predicted that Jesus is to return May 2011 too. Doubtful things will quiet down after these dates go by.

    April 19, 2011 at 10:13 pm | Report abuse |
  9. ole Lady

    Oh and they moved up date of end of world to 2060.

    April 19, 2011 at 10:17 pm | Report abuse |
  10. banasy

    May 23, if I'm not mistaken. For the Rapture. Predicted by a dude who has been wrong about the date before. Not holding my breath on this, either!

    April 19, 2011 at 10:18 pm | Report abuse |
  11. banasy

    @ole lady: really? 2060?

    April 19, 2011 at 10:19 pm | Report abuse |
  12. leeintulsa

    The truth? According to who? The right? The left i'm hearing from loves trump being in it. And his birther cause? I wonder if trump isn't really "for" Obama. He's certainly making it easy for Obama to win.

    April 19, 2011 at 10:59 pm | Report abuse |
  13. ole Lady

    By a mathematician who is still alive did his own research of mayan calendar and nostradaumas writings. Saw this on history channel a few weeks back.

    April 19, 2011 at 11:00 pm | Report abuse |
  14. leeintulsa

    @jj: The truth? According to who? The right? The left i'm hearing from loves trump being in it. And his birther cause? I wonder if trump isn't really "for" Obama. He's certainly making it easy for Obama to win.

    April 19, 2011 at 11:02 pm | Report abuse |
  15. ole Lady

    I think Trump is paid to make republicans look like butts. Trump not doing it for free that's for sure. He'll say whatever the big money wants.

    April 19, 2011 at 11:03 pm | Report abuse |
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