A divided federal appeals court has struck down Michigan's ban on consideration of race and gender in college admissions.
The issue is likely to renew the national political and legal debate over affirmative action, which the Supreme Court could be poised to resolve in coming months.
The 6th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals on Friday concluded in a 2-1 ruling that the voter-approved ban on "preferential treatment" at state colleges and universities was unconstitutional, and "alters Michigan's political structure by impermissibly burdening racial minorities."
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They're not saying minorities can't get in bc they're not as smart, but since many blacks live below the poverty level their high schools might not be as equipped to give them the education they need. Where you live and income does decide a lot of things. It's harder to move up in social classes than some might think, what you're born into is usually what you stay in. Past racism, discrimination, and laws set forth in our country has had a trickle down effect even today on a lot of minority groups. Just look at how hard it is for people who do have money to switch schools due to laws set forth about districts and locations, now imagine how hard it is for someone with little money.
So why dont they just use income as a factor not race?
Please..I grew up on a farm and was very poor. The teachers at my school passed us even if we were never in the class. I graduated with a 1.8 GPA and had no help in paying for college, I paid for it by myself or took out student loans and yes, paid them back. I now was part of the great layoff years and everyday watch people get jobs only because of the color of their skin. Yes I am a white, middle aged male. The most discriminated race out there but nobody says a word about it and there is nothing I can do but get another college degree but cannot because I don't have a group to go to that helps white people only.
sirsean,
You'll end up with basically the same pool of students...
right.....so if we hire people based on their resumes and not based on their ethnicity....why would we admit people to a school on any other principle? This is complete stupidity. My grandfather grew up dirt poor and had nothing in south Georgia. Why should a minority from the projects in downtown Atlanta have any advantage over him?
So if I understand the Justices, racism is required to prevent racism. Is sort of like killing someone to prevent their untimely death? One Last Question: Since when do they allow Justices to smoke pot?
Or maybe it's this way: If someone steals something, the government can later "steal" it back and give it to the victim.
war is sometimes necessary for peace, no?
Hey Jim, perhaps you should take off you pointed white hat
Another analogy: Two people are running a foot race. One guy swings the back of his fist into the face of the runner next to him, knocking him flat on the ground. An official stops the race and say "OK, no more face bashing". Does the official just restart the race with one guy 10 meters back and a bleeding face, with no penalty to the first guy? Or is it fair to send the face smasher 20 meters back behind?
If blacks were held down for 200 years, would it be fair to hold whites down for 200 years and then call it even?
The problem with most all statements here is the fact that these programs were put in place to right a wrong. After hundreds of years of discriminating against minorities I feel a hundred years of favorable treatment is justice. Most universities give alumni special treatment, how can people who weren't allowed to attend colleges take advantage of that? so who has really been getting special treatment?
Apparently by b's logic to right a wrong one must punish people that were not alive 200 years ago by benefitting people not alive 200 years ago. Perhaps we should take this a step further and enslave the descendants of the Egyptians that once enslaved the Jew's ancestors? OR we can just do some serious geneology retracing to determine which Africans sold their fellow Africans into slavery and go ahead and make those guys slaves?
Logical. Fallacy.
Racism is never ever justifed as should be obvious so it is disturbing there there are some who want to promote racism by giving blacks a free pass because of the color of their skin. Racism will only divide and cause more racism overall. It's a very bad idea to promote affirmitive action. If you favor a race over another race eventually the race that was discriminated against, "whites in this case" will want revenge, it can be through many ways even up to violence.
i think the sad part is we assume solely bc someone got chosen bc of their skin it's due to the fact they're getting a 'free pass' and are 'lazy'. we're assuming it's a black kid and that they can't meet the qualifications compared to a white kid. let's see if white people will want this in 50 years when they won't be the majority
There are some colleges that are actually using 'affirmative action' these days to pick more guys as women now make up over 60% of the students in those colleges.
Wayne State University works very hard with the city of Detroit to make sure that inner-city kids can get into the university, which has meant dumbing down the freshmenn level classes. Even with that, the Detroit Public Schools are so bad that many of its graduates still cannot cut it in college and end up dropping out. So, in the end, everybody suffers. The lower standards ahve done nothing to help.
OH NOES! I sure hope that the white people don't become resentful and feel unfavorably toward brown people. It would be the first time ever in America! We'd better do whatever makes white people happy. Everyone else can wait.
P.S. Racism = Prejudice + Power. It isn't just about acknowledging differences, it is about the whole SYSTEM that keeps some people at a disadvantage. If you think that the disadvantaged people are white, you need to put down the crack pipe and take a walk outside.
It's not about equality anymore, and the minorities know it. It's only a matter of time when the majority is close enough to becoming a minority that we start putting minorities back in the place they belong, as equals with ONE vote each.
' that we start putting minorities back in the place they belong, as equals with ONE vote each.'
and that sweeping statement about minorities shows why such things as affirmative action was required.
Wow Cedar... thanks for proving the posters point. Nice reading comprehension. You realize the point you made was racist right?
'Seola – Wow Cedar... thanks for proving the posters point. Nice reading comprehension. You realize the point you made was racist right?'
You are correct that I misunderstood his original meaning, but how did that prove the poster's point and make mine racist? If you know I misunderstood his comment then you must therefore know the context I meant it in.
The posters point that minorities expect more voice than the rest of us. Your comment against the poster was racist because you assumed off a keyword or two, when you put affirmative action back then as needed and to have a bigger count, yet the comment was about our future.
Really??? So do our own merits count for anything these days? Well Obama did become president and got awards for???
So a kid of one color who is better qualified should be excluded from consideration so a kid of another color with lesser qualifications can be considered?
No matter which kid is which color, that is racism plain and simple.
Sorry, guys, but you really should trying READING THE ORIGINAL VERDICT. It's online, unless you are not capable of using Google. The judges have said NOTHING about intellegence. Where do you all get off?? The verdict specifically mentions a burden. FACT: Most minoities applying to State schools are poor. Most of them are first generation HIGH SCHOOL graduates, much less COLLEGE applicants. These kids are coming from disadvantaged families and disadvantaged schools. How on earth are they suppose to compete on the face of their application with a kid that came from a well-funded school, played football, was chess-club leader, and runs his own non-profit recycling center? You all need to put yourself in the school of a child that is trying with all his might just to finish his homework after working an after-school shift at McDonalds.
Cause all white people are extremely rich. .. there *are* poor white kids, who worked just as hard that have no chance because of the governments "quota" for affirmative action and funding for the school. The states university systems all have plenty of room for more than just the "rich kid" you try to paint all white people as. The problem comes when a white kid with better grades and more commitment ends up not getting *any* education so that a black kid with worse grades applies just so the college can get the extra cash.
You know there are poor white people too. What about them?
The anti-white establishment will stop at nothing to destroy, disenfranchise and discriminate against my race. Time to send a message, us whites are mad as hell and we are not going to take it anymore.
No one is going to Korea and saying "we're going to create a blended humanity in only Korea"
No one is going to Saudi Arabia and saying "we're going to create a blended humanity in only Saudi Arabia"
Only white countries are doing it, Only Anti-White politicians are supporting it, it's genocide.
hyperbole much?
reverse discrimination
Why u so mad white people?
Y u so ignorant OP. I think you and me both know what OP is. It starts with Glorious and ends with Winged F*ggot.
This is crazy... I'm tired of being punished because I am white.
yeah you're def discriminated against in a country where anything white is the norm and 'american' and anyone that isn't that has to hyphenate
'african-american'
'asian-american'
etc etc
lala – so named because you've got your fingers in your ears?
Until you can walk a mile in a minority's shoes, don't presume to judge. You don't know what its like.
Ras – and they don't know what it's like to be white. And I don't know what it's like to be male... and so on. What's the point, that no one else can sympathize or feel slighted (for any race) because we aren't one?
In my part of Atlanta I am the minority... I deal with it everyday. I wait in line while the black clerk handles all the black customers first... I have no voice because everywhere I go I am a racist biggot before I open my mouth. I have been the victim of a racist hate crime where the defendants walked. I deal with it.
I am European American LALA... i dont know what you are talking about. STOP CALLING ME WHITE!! I AM EURO AMERICAN FOOL.... btw its the minorities that insisted on being called "African Americans" or "Latino Americans". I guess simply being called Blacks or Browns made them mad.
hey lala-
you know what name for your race isn't hyphenated?
What the judges are saying is: If they don't make the colleges play fair, they'll just admit "their own kind" so to speak. You would have to be a very ignorant minority to believe that they(whites) would treat you fair without someone making them do it. I have no heart understanding mankind in situation thats legalize O.J. Simpson. lol
Why does it matter... no one gives "us whites" a chance to show the vast majority really could care less. There are black groups out there that are racist. They don't speak for all blacks. The only reason such open racism exists is because it's profitable. I'd hire a respectable black or Hispanic person for my business (if I ever actually get to expand) just as easily as I would a white person. Once I got a workforce, I'd get government kickbacks for hiring minorities – is that fair? No, but you can bet I'd take advantage of it! The best person for the job is truly what matters most (that and the negative PR that could come with openly discriminating would probably factor in).
I believe you when you say you would hire a qualified minority. Can you honestly say that would be the case for the rest?
What the judges are saying is: If they don't make the colleges play fair, they'll just admit "their own kind" so to speak.
"Their own kind?" You mean smart people who work hard?
Way to go Michigan!
Some of the people here need to review the definition of racism. And since when do minorities get more than one vote?
All of these posts are assuming that racism doesn't exist and that race has no impact on whether a person is accepted into college. It's safe to say that racism is still alive and well in this country and there are still situations where minorities get the short end of the stick if all other things are equal. This "affirmative action" safeguard is in place to reduce the likelihood that racism is the reason a person is denied admission.
Affirmative action weakens us as a whole. It handicaps businesses who are forced to hire people who may not provide the best performance thus weakening businesses ability to compete. This hurts the US from all angles.
racism will never go away as long as affirmative action exists. Wonder what MLK would think of AA? Didnt he say something about people only being judged by the content of their character.