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How Irene's forecast missed the mark and why it could happen again

They know they missed it. Forecasters at the National Hurricane Center in Miami say when it comes to the strength of Hurricane Irene as it approached North Carolina, they know they were off. Way off.

“At least in the guidance we were looking at there was no indication of anything that would cause the storm to weaken. So, we thought we would have a Category 3 at landfall,” said Bill Read, the director of the Hurricane Center. Irene came in at a Category 1, the weakest. Read said there’s good reason they were so far off.

The science of forecasting how strong or weak a storm will become is simply not very good. With Irene, forecasters say they weren’t even as good as their five-year average.

“Every storm comes up with a surprise,” Read said. “In this case it was one where it went downhill. Charlie a few years ago is one that went uphill. Neither case did we see that coming, and that’s my measure of the fact that we have a long way to go.”

Bill Read, of the National Hurricane Center, talks about the difficulty of predicting hurricanes.

Hurricane forecasters say they want to get it right all the time. But if you are going to be wrong, they say it's better to be wrong in weakening storms like Irene.

“I’d say a bigger worry than one weakening at landfall is the ’35 hurricane that came through the Keys," Read said. "Charlie if it’s a little bigger. Audrey in 1957. Get the picture?”

In all of these cases, the storms rapidly intensified as they neared the coastline. By then, it’s too late to order massive evacuations.

CNN's severe weather expert Chad Meyers said when Hurricane Irene smashed into the Outer Banks of North Carolina, the contact weakened the storm.

So, forecasters had the path right, but the impact of landfall changed what the amount of destruction would be in some areas. Wind shear helped knock down velocity, and unexpected dry air sucked some of the power out of the storm.

"It literally knocked the stuffing out of the eye," Myers said. "It never got its mojo back."

Meteorologists measured pressure levels inside the storm that could have allowed it to strengthen back into a Category 3 hurricane, Myers said, but Irene's romp over land in North Carolina prevented the eye wall from spinning into a more destructive storm by the time it arrived in New York.

"It never had that opportunity because North Carolina got in the way, dry air came across over Virginia and Maryland and got in the way, and although this was very low pressure, the reason why we could never let the guard down for New York City ... was because the pressure was low enough that at any time, if this storm decided to get its act together, it could have gone from a 60-70-80 miles per hour storm - it easily could have been a 110 (miles per hour) storm like it was in the Caribbean and like it was in the Bahamas."


Add to that the difficulties of having true accurate model data when it comes to hurricane forecasts.

“Real-time observations, like that collected by NOAA’s Hurricane Hunters, are put into these models to hopefully give a more accurate forecast. We are much more accurate on forecasting severe storms and their behavior for this very reason, the availability of observations," CNN meteorologist and weather producer Sarah Dillingham said. "These storms occur over land, allowing scientists to take measurements within those storms and use that data to run computer models. Think about a hurricane, over water, with no way to collect data except from above.

"Makes it difficult to see what is actually going on, right?"

Dillingham said dropsondes, instruments that are dropped from above and into these storms, are used to collect data inside hurricanes as they fall to the surface.

"This is helpful, but you are also trying to view the data it collected, track where it was in the storm, and at the same time determine what that means from a scientific perspective," she said. "Also, you may think, what about trying to send something up into the storm from below. In a hurricane? Good luck with that."

Dillingham said "the sparsity of real-time observations in tropical systems is what makes it so difficult to produce a more correct intensity forecast, and certainly makes it difficult to improve them."

"The track of these storms depends on atmospheric winds and surrounding storm systems, and we understand these factors much better, giving us a better handle on the 'steering' of these systems," she said. "This makes tracking more accurate overall. Things like RI, or rapid intensification, in tropical cyclones is just not fully understood yet, and until we can obtain that vital observational data within these storms - while they are over open, warm waters - we will struggle to model these kinds of processes.”

For that reason, Dillingham said Read's explanation of why they have trouble making these predictions is spot on.

And that's also why Read says the decisions to evacuate made by emergency managers and state and federal officials was the right one.


In every aspect of the storm except for wind speed, Read says, they got it right.

According to their initial analysis, the track forecast of the storm was 20% better than their five-year average. They do very well at predicting the path of a hurricane.

“We had storm surge flooding all the way up from the Carolinas into New England," Read said. We’ve had tremendous and tragic rainfall flooding. We’ve had loss of life from trees down well inland and the power outages.”

Hurricane forecasters admit their ability to foresee a storm’s strength is not much more today than it was 20 or 30 years ago.

According to the Hurricane Center’s initial analysis, “Irene exemplifies the state of the science.” They are pinning their future hopes on programs like the Hurricane Forecast Improvement Project. Scientists say they are seeing some promising results. This program uses high-resolution models and enhanced Doppler radars to measure the core of Hurricanes.

Forecasters say that three out of four times you will likely be asked to evacuate and you’ll coming back saying "Why did I leave?"

But that fourth time, if you don’t, Read says, you’ll wish you had.

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  1. Andrew Hamm

    The amount of nitpicking over the NHC overestimating Irene's windspeed is beyond absurd. Windspeed is just one aspect of storm prediction, and they got everything else right. What's more, wind isn't the biggest killer with hurricanes, flooding is.

    We should all prepare exactly the same for an onrushing Tropical Storm as for a Category 5 Hurricane.

    August 31, 2011 at 2:28 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  2. Diane Veleta

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    September 8, 2011 at 3:36 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  3. dirt

    Ah – globalization... The Internet... Cell phones... Etc, etc, etc. Bringing us all together at last – too bad the human race doesn't appear to be ready for it.

    September 23, 2011 at 3:21 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  4. rubi

    don't worry we hate you too

    August 30, 2011 at 1:38 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  5. cmspsu13

    Thanks for sharing your hate with the group.

    August 30, 2011 at 1:44 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  6. AnAmerican

    Well, at least we don't smell bad...

    August 30, 2011 at 1:44 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  7. flyingram

    Geeze, India -

    Tell us how you really feel! You are in a distinct minority.

    For everyone except India:

    For all the blemishes that America has – the America haters are provably wrong. Applications for permanent visas to come and live here are at an all time high. People line up at embassies and consulates around the world just to get in line to come to this wonderful place. To the best of my knowledge, that does not happen with other nations.

    maddening as some of our faults might be, to the dismay of India and others who run the country down, America has always been and still is that shining light on the hill.

    August 30, 2011 at 1:49 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  8. Rob

    you just provided the PERFECT example of the effects of propaganda....the best countries in the world often keep their mouths shut about it because they don't want the flood of people...Best education, NOT US....happiest population, NOT US...lowest crime, NOT US....best economy, NOT US....job availability, NOT US...

    August 30, 2011 at 1:53 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  9. Mike

    >>Applications for permanent visas to come and live here are at an all time high.<<

    World population is at an all-time high. How many of those applications were accepted?

    August 30, 2011 at 5:51 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  10. Robert

    India if we are all that how about giving us OUR money and jobs back and you and your country and do everything yourself.

    August 30, 2011 at 1:57 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  11. JCK

    Sounds funny coming from one who lives in a country that still supports a caste system .... India is once again on the verge of a famine .. would it be OK with you if America decides to keep its food and monetary aid at home this time and let you wing it on your ow?. Did you finally get fired from your Customer Support job ?

    August 30, 2011 at 2:03 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  12. Joe

    Just got back from McDonald's. MMmmmmm...beef. Or should I say, "Mmmmmm...God."

    August 30, 2011 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  13. clay

    way to stereotype and generalize a population of 300 million when you havent even been to this country. This is the kind of trash that should be expected from trolls like you. Do everyone a huge favor and stay in India.

    August 30, 2011 at 2:27 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  14. Lou

    Indiarocks,

    Actually, I think you have neatly described yourself as an uncultured, perverted, inhuman, hypocritical, obnoxious, immoral, egocentric, insensitive, self-righteous b@st@rd.

    The difference, of course, is that I would never tar an entire people with the characteristics of a single individual. The Indians that I know are cultured, not preverted, quite human, rarely hypocritical, never obnoxious, quite moral, multicentric, sensitive, righteous but not self-righteous and quite legitimate. As are, naturally, my American friends. You, on the other hand, are a morally bankrupt, foul-mouthed perverted twit who likes to see his name in print.

    Have a nice day,

    Lou

    August 30, 2011 at 2:37 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  15. Jim

    The depths of poverty in India are far greater than in the US. Compared to your poor, we don't even have "poor" - focus on your own house, we'll do our best to take care of ours (and give some money to help yours as well... $92 million in 2006 alone...).

    August 30, 2011 at 2:37 pm | Report abuse | Reply
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