Georgia Democrats propose limitations on vasectomies for men
State Rep. Yasmin Neal's bill comes in response to an abortion-restrictions bill that Georgia legislators are considering.
February 21st, 2012
06:23 PM ET

Georgia Democrats propose limitations on vasectomies for men

As members of Georgia’s House of Representatives debate whether to prohibit abortions for women more than 20 weeks pregnant, House Democrats  introduced their own reproductive rights plan: No more vasectomies that leave "thousands of children ... deprived of birth."

Rep. Yasmin Neal, a Democrat from the Atlanta suburb of Jonesboro, planned on Wednesday to introduce HB 1116, which would prevent men from vasectomies unless needed to avert serious injury or death.

The bill reads: "It is patently unfair that men avoid the rewards of unwanted fatherhood by presuming that their judgment over such matters is more valid than the judgment of the General Assembly. ... It is the purpose of the General Assembly to assert an invasive state interest in the reproductive habits of men in this state and substitute the will of the government over the will of adult men."

“If we legislate women’s bodies, it’s only fair that we legislate men’s,” said Neal, who said she wanted to write bill that would generate emotion and conversation the way anti-abortion bills do. “There are too many problems in the state. Why are you under the skirts of women? I’m sure there are other places to be."

Personally, Neal said, she has no qualms with vasectomies.

“But even if it were proposed as a serious issue,” she said, “it’s still not my place as a woman to tell a man what to do with his body."

The anti-vasectomy bill was a response to a bill that would punish abortions performed after the 20th week of pregnancy with prison sentences between one and 10 years. Georgia law currently prohibits abortion after the second trimester, except to preserve the life and health of the mother. Neal's bill borrows some language directly from the anti-abortion bill.

The anti-abortion bill makes exceptions to avert death or “serious risk of substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function” of the mother, but doesn’t include “diagnosis or claim of a mental or emotional condition.” If an abortion occurs after the 20th week, the bill requires doctors to attempt to deliver a living baby.

Earlier discussions about the bill have been “outstanding,” said Rep. Doug McKillip, a Republican from Athens, Georgia, who introduced the anti-abortion bill this month. He said legislators are “drilling down" on questions about when a fetus can feel pain and what exceptions can allow abortions later in pregnancy, and he expects more testimony late this week.

“I’m just disappointed in my colleague, that they would take this opportunity to make light of a very important topic,” McKillip said. “I believe this is a serious topic deserving of serious debate. It feels like a poor attempt at humor.”

Neal said she's serious about making legislators recognize women's rights to make private decisions about their bodies.

"I hope that through the madness this has caused, it gets him to understand where the woman is coming from," she said. "There are a number of women in other states trying the same ploys we’re trying here."

Earlier this month, Democratic Oklahoma Sen. Constance Johnson added then withdrew a provision to an anti-abortion bill that read "any action in which a man ejaculates or otherwise deposits semen anywhere but in a woman's vagina shall be interpreted and construed as an action against an unborn child." The state Senate passed the bill this month.

In January, as the Virginia state Senate debated a bill that required women to have an ultrasound before an abortion, Democrat Janet Howell attached an amendment that required men to have rectal exams and cardiac stress tests before they could receive prescriptions for erectile dysfunction medication like Viagra. The amendment was rejected in the Senate, 21-19.

CNN affiliate WAVY reported that hundreds gathered this week to protest the ultrasound bill,  which is up for a vote in Virginia's House of Delegates, and another that says life begins at conception.

On the Georgia House floor, Neal doesn't anticipate her anti-vasectomy bill will generate much serious debate.

"If it moves anywhere," she said, "that’ll be a very interesting day."

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  1. banasy©

    Best case scenario would be that science would figure out a way to transplant the fetus into a man and force him to carry it, birth, and raise a baby at risk for abortion...
    I'll just bet we would hear nothing but cricket chirps then on this issue...

    February 22, 2012 at 1:00 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • Scottish Mama

      Chirp. Hi banasy. I think if they had to carry a baby you talk about whining. OMG.

      February 22, 2012 at 1:05 am | Report abuse |
    • Eric

      Or maybe the moron who had the kid they don't want in the first place could carry it and further burden our society with their trashy children. I support abortion for one reason... Most of the people getting them contribute nothing and their children don't have a chance in hell of doing any better.

      February 22, 2012 at 1:20 am | Report abuse |
    • Scottish Mama

      @Eric 78% of abortions are religious people.

      February 22, 2012 at 1:26 am | Report abuse |
    • banasy©

      I'm so glad you're such a progressive thinker, Eric.

      Hi, Mama.

      February 22, 2012 at 1:37 am | Report abuse |
  2. Scottish Mama

    This is about men making decisions for women. So the dem wants to make a few for men.

    February 22, 2012 at 1:17 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • Upset in CA

      There is a small difference between a vasectomy and an abortion. One prevents the creation of a life, the other destroys an already created life. Further, you say its about men legislating on women ... I have news for you, conception tends to skew towards women, so an aborted fetus is more likely to be a girl (jsut barely). Lastly, you also ignore the point that it takes two to tango, and as it stands now, the father responsible for conception has no rights in the matter. I'm all for birth control and 'planned' parenthood. But abortion is not family planning, its the destruction of a human life. If you dont' want to have to destroy it, be more prudent when playing in the bedroom.

      February 22, 2012 at 1:42 am | Report abuse |
    • Scottish Mama

      @Upset it was also about the dem making decisions about the males in retaliation for their decision to legislate abortions.

      February 22, 2012 at 2:14 am | Report abuse |
  3. Scottish Mama

    I guess the voting rights and pants are next.

    February 22, 2012 at 1:22 am | Report abuse | Reply
  4. Andurill

    "thousands of children ... deprived of birth." – What about the thousands of children who have no parents who are up for adoption? They should think about the ones that are alive and need loving homes instead of worrying about the ones that haven't even conceived yet. Nutcase.

    February 22, 2012 at 1:22 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • chrisebos

      Did you even read this at all?? She is only bringing this bill forward because of all the abortion bills. saying if we as a government can tell a woman what she can and can't do with her bodies then we should be able to tell a man what he can and can not do with his.

      February 22, 2012 at 1:47 am | Report abuse |
  5. pseudobliss

    PS: Has anybody stopped to think that this beast of a woman is actually advocating for the abortion of a viable fetus that is FIVE freak'in months along? We are not talking three weeks. THIS IS A FIVE MONTH OLD developed fetus!

    February 22, 2012 at 1:29 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • Scottish Mama

      What about women who do not have regular .......'s and do not know they are pregnant for 5 months, or about the women who never knew they were pregnant until they had the baby, it happens.

      February 22, 2012 at 1:35 am | Report abuse |
    • Tellmenolies

      Chill out, the truth is that there are very few places that actually perform late term abortions for birth control,most are done by specialists because of major problems in the mother or the fetus...you've been lied too about the frequency that these types of procedures occur..most clinics that do abortions have a cut off of 12 weeks...

      February 22, 2012 at 2:50 am | Report abuse |
  6. Scottish Mama

    I think if the church wants Obama out of making decisions on birth control in the church, than the church should stay out of others bedrooms.

    February 22, 2012 at 1:30 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • pseudobliss

      This opposition transcends the church...but nice rhetoric anyway.

      February 22, 2012 at 1:32 am | Report abuse |
  7. Tim

    Good lord lady, this isn't about women's rights as much as it is about unwanted children. Quit trying to claim this issue for women it concerns us all.

    February 22, 2012 at 1:35 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • pseudobliss

      You noticed it too Tim? These women are nut cases and a dime a dozen. All female universities/colleges in the US (and there are many of them) churn them out like breeding wild animals. "Its my baby! I'll slice it anyway and anytime I want!" sheesh..when women line up in mass to abort their offspring...we are in deeeeeep $h!t

      February 22, 2012 at 1:37 am | Report abuse |
    • Scottish Mama

      @Tim when men have babies let me know. It is about women and their choice and politicians keep out of it.

      February 22, 2012 at 1:40 am | Report abuse |
    • pseudobliss

      We do have babies...its just fatherhood has been hijacked for so long in this country people do not see men as involved or even part of the equation. Even when I studied healthcare fathers were not mentioned at all. Though I can say from being in birthing centers, they really should be included because they are a big help and, also, a big problem if you do not know how to handle them. One soldier freak'in passed out on me when his son was born. I had three patients! Mom, baby and Dad! sheesh!

      February 22, 2012 at 1:45 am | Report abuse |
    • Anon

      Actually, that's all abortion has been about. The opposition to abortion focuses on the meaning of life; pro-abortion activists focus on the right of women to choose their own healthcare. Not allowing women to choose healthcare is discrimination, pure and simple. But there is also the flip side of moralistic behavior, in particular the murder of another human being. And, as evidenced historically, it is very difficult to hold a debate when each side's supporting arguments are not, and cannot be, addressed by their opposition.

      February 22, 2012 at 1:57 am | Report abuse |
  8. RobertAllen

    To be Politically Correct I offer a sound solution to the world population growth. We are headed toward the point when there will not be enough food or water to support the population. Therefore, to keep the population in some semblance of control I should propose that any and every man who has fathered two children be REQUIRED to have a vasectomy, and I'm not joking.

    February 22, 2012 at 1:35 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • pseudobliss

      Interesting...not sure it would work. You could miss one man and he could, in theory, knock up several dozen women. However, if you give women hysterectomies, you could leave all men intact and the population wouldn't do anything but decline. The Chinese and Indians have already figured this out. This is why so many nations send men off to die in war or hostile actions while keeping women away from dangerous work. We want a stronger population. However, when the desired population vector is downward, the idea is to tackle the fertility of the women...not the men...

      February 22, 2012 at 1:40 am | Report abuse |
    • RobertAllen

      Hysterectomies are major surgery, with the accompanied pain. Vasectomies are quick and relatively painless. I know. I had mine when I hit the two children mark after reading Paul Ehrlich's 1972 book "The Population Bomb" and researching the growth rate of the U.S. population which is probably much higher now due to the influx of illegal immigrants.

      February 22, 2012 at 1:55 am | Report abuse |
    • John

      II also had a vasectomy after fathering 2 children. It's an excellent solution. But I can't favor mandatory in many things. I will happily agree that society has enough interest that it should guarantee covering the costs, and maybe throw in a bottle of champagne to boot.

      February 22, 2012 at 3:23 am | Report abuse |
  9. Ryan

    Since when is a fetus part of a woman's body? The abortion rights folks always talk about a womans body, but the fact is the fetus isn't part of a womans body, it just happens to be inside. Anyone who has watched a mothers stomach move as the unborn kicks inside knows this. Their blood doesn't even mix as the blood type might not even be compatible. The child takes nutrients across the placenta membrane (part of the child) in utero, analogous to what it will do at the breast after birth. What makes it legal to kill a baby before birth but not after? There is really little difference except for location, the child is still totally dependent both before and after birth.

    February 22, 2012 at 1:45 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • Thinks2010

      So, Ryan, you are saying is a fetus's relationship to the woman who is carrying it is that of a parasite to it's host.

      February 22, 2012 at 2:50 am | Report abuse |
    • Patriarchae

      @Thinks2010

      Technically, when you get down to the objective facts, it IS a parasite. Obviously we don't like to think of it that way, but you'd be hard pressed to make a valid scientific argument otherwise.

      February 22, 2012 at 2:58 am | Report abuse |
    • Thinks2010

      @Patriarchae–Exactly.

      February 22, 2012 at 6:30 am | Report abuse |
  10. pseudobliss

    Fathers should be told when their child is up for adoption. If she is going to put her kid up for adoption, she should be required to notify the real father and that father should be required to sign over for the adoption. It is a sad state of affairs when women can not only abort his child...but also give it up for adoption without even notifying him or telling him he is a dad. so many Virgin Mary's in the US...i guess..

    February 22, 2012 at 1:47 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • Scottish Mama

      Maybe you should know where you store your nuts and the women would not have to come and find you.

      February 22, 2012 at 1:57 am | Report abuse |
    • PatSJ

      Mama, you are so right! The only situation where the woman would have to go find you to tell you, is because you took off. Where is your sense of responsibility – pseudobliss is just plain pseudo.

      February 22, 2012 at 1:59 am | Report abuse |
  11. banasy©

    The thing that is a dime a dozen are all the men who will try to legislate a woman's right to choose while cupping their jewels and yelling, "hands of these nuts!"

    February 22, 2012 at 1:48 am | Report abuse | Reply
  12. PatSJ

    Abortion is legal in the US. All of you guys who are spouting off all of your rhetoric, go to the Supreme Court and get it changed if you don't like it. But to insist that a woman have a costly, medically-unnecessary, and invasive procedure just so she can have a legal abortion, is plain wrong. If you want small government, and you want lower medical costs, then 1) use some birth control yourselves so there won't be as many unplanned pregnancies, and 2) get your heads and minds out of women's wombs.

    February 22, 2012 at 1:57 am | Report abuse | Reply
  13. Kim

    When men have babies themselves, that is when they should have something to say about abortion and birth control, and not before then.

    February 22, 2012 at 2:01 am | Report abuse | Reply
  14. Scottish Mama

    You go girls.

    February 22, 2012 at 2:04 am | Report abuse | Reply
  15. Scottish Mama

    @Tim or Pseudo- taken in any unwanted children lately?

    February 22, 2012 at 2:06 am | Report abuse | Reply
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