Rare gorilla species spotted on forest camera
Cross River gorillas are said to be the world’s rarest gorillas, with only about 250 still alive.
May 9th, 2012
11:45 AM ET

Rare gorilla species spotted on forest camera

A rare species of gorillas was captured on one of four video cameras set up in Cameroon’s Kagwene Gorilla Sanctuary, according to the Wildlife Conservation Society.

Cross River gorillas are said to be the world’s rarest gorillas, with only about 250 still alive.

“This video gives us all a spectacular view into the hidden world of one of our closest relatives, which is in dire need of our help to survive,” Steve Sanderson, president of the Wildlife Conservation Society,  said in an online statement.

Cross River gorillas are also the world’s most shy gorillas, at least around researchers. They don’t seem bothered by cameras though.

Footage from one camera shows several Cross River gorillas walking in the forest.

One male silverback appears to be showing off, researchers say. He beats his chest and appears to run toward the camera. Another gorilla takes a break and leans against a tree. One gorilla seems to be missing a hand.

“Cross River gorillas occur in very low densities across their entire range, so the appearance of a possible snare injury is a reminder that continued law enforcement efforts are needed to prevent further injuries to gorillas in the sanctuary,” said Dr. Liz Macfie, gorilla coordinator for WCS’s Species Program.

The Kagwene Gorilla Sanctuary was established by the government of Cameroon in 2008 to protect the endangered gorillas. It evolved out of the “Gorilla Guardian” community network, created by the WCS to give gorillas a better chance to survive in unprotected forest sites in Cameroon.

Kagwene is the only site where daily monitoring of Cross River gorilla movements takes place, WCS says.

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  1. John

    They aren't my closest relatives. Well cousin Phil is pretty hairy.

    May 9, 2012 at 1:43 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  2. 1TruthSpeaker

    Actually, it IS still called the theory of evolution – the reason being that the chain of evidence has so many broken links. Question: how did Darwin state that whales evolved? Answer: they were bears that swam too far out to sea and couldn't return to land. They evolved before they drowned. And the fossil evidence of evolution? Doesn't exist: every animal suddenly appears, and there's no link between any 2 species. Ever. In fact, science has shown that the theory of Natural Selection has more merit than evolution. And the breadth of the lack of Biblical knowledge by so many posters is amazing.

    May 9, 2012 at 1:43 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Scottish Mama

      I believe it is DNA that links species. Tangible evidence.

      May 9, 2012 at 1:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Cedar Rapids

      "Question: how did Darwin state that whales evolved? Answer: they were bears that swam too far out to sea and couldn't return to land. They evolved before they drowned."

      rubbish, total and utter rubbish, you have to be a troll. Either that or your name is meant to be ironic.
      Actually I am not sure anything you said is correct. Its called theory because that is how it is labelled in scientific terms, such as the theory of relativity, its not because of broken links etc.
      And your comment of no link between 2 species is also wrong. Taking your example of whales we in fact have a pretty complete chain of evolution to modern whales.

      May 9, 2012 at 1:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • JJC

      You are showing your ignorance. Darwin never stated any such thing. And actually, whale evolution supported by fossils is one of the better fossil lines that we have evidence for. You are ignorant and are lying, or you have been lied to. Read a book about evolution first and stop posting outright laughable untruths.

      May 9, 2012 at 1:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scottish Mama

      Theory Def. -a coherent group of tested proprositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principals of explainations and prediction for a class of phenomena. Syn. principle, law, doctrine.

      May 9, 2012 at 1:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • strategic bob

      there is so much ignorance crammed into your short post that it almost takes my breath away.

      when will you religious and right wing nut ever come to understand that truth is not obligated to conform to your personal preferences and delusions?

      if that were the case, the sun, the planets, the stars, the entire universe would still revolve around the earth just to keep a bunch of misguided Catholic priests and monks happy....

      May 9, 2012 at 1:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • JimmyPuff

      Wow.... Just, wow.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ha

      apparently you dont know how evolution works lololol.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jason

      The similarities between species in the fossil record is striking and can only be explained by evolution as a means of species diversification. Why would an intelligent designer create humans beings with dozens of vestigial features that are actually detrimental? What is the purpose of the Appendix? The Coxys? Why are there redundant genes in our genome that are inactive and relate to organs and instincts that have long since been irrelevant to humans? How come all vertebrates on Earth share hundreds of similarities in skeletal structure? How come we don't see monkeys with gills? Why are all snakes cold blooded? These questions and potentialy millions more can only be explained through evolution.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Wow

      that is the most egregious misrepresentation of "facts" i have ever read...just because your brain cant understand evolution, does not mean you should try and make others as dumb

      May 9, 2012 at 2:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • MyTake

      Wrong, wrong and wrong. This is a lie told over again by people like you who don't have a proper education.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • MyTake

      1TruthSpeaker: You ignorance of evolution is truly breathtaking. Your post is a fail. Darwin never said what you attribute to him as having said. Look up information yourself and learn something instead of listening to other who lie to that others who don't know the facts will repeat their lies ... you are a tool of the ignorance and deceitful.

      May 9, 2012 at 3:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • nathaniel

      http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/09/rare-gorilla-species-spotted-on-forest-camera/?hpt=hp_t2&replytocom=1175514#respond

      May 9, 2012 at 3:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • TAK

      1TruthSpeaker (oh the irony of that name), you are the best argument FOR eugenics that I have ever seen.

      May 9, 2012 at 4:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Evolutionist

      hahaha Your such a hypacrite. Just because 1 guy had some crazy theory about how one animal evolved does not throw the whole thing out. Sure but if someone were to show u the bible errors you would scream no. Its called a faith for a reason..... faith is believing something without evidence.. and i am just not that dumb.

      May 9, 2012 at 4:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Informed

      Come on, Seriously? This silly debate again? With each passing day, previously 'missing links' are found and discovered all over the world, while the bible thumpers have yet to offer up a single shred of evidence to counter it. Hopefully in 50 years, the huge pointless distraction of religion will be long gone.

      May 9, 2012 at 4:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • LJ

      Wow, you complain about other's Biblical knowledge, but you're trying to imply that evolution and natural selection are two different beasts? Evolution is the end result, natural selection is the vehicle. Many many species have been linked through fossil records and genomic testing. Darwin's own work connected several species of finches to a common ancestor. I'm not sure if Darwin ever addressed the evolution of whales, but nobody thinks they evolved from bears. First off, they didn't evolve from anything living today, though they're probably most closely related to cows and pigs, just like you and your third-cousin are still alive today (probably), but you both came from a great-grandparent that probably isn't still living.

      May 9, 2012 at 8:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Marlin

      I dont believe you actually believe what you said. I think your just working to make religious people look bad :)

      May 9, 2012 at 9:09 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Tom

    Which one is Al Sharpton?

    May 9, 2012 at 1:44 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  4. gaucho420

    As keepers of the earth in our position at the top of the food chain, we truly need to take care of our planet and its other inhabitants. I hope we're able to increase their population...there's nothing cool or funny about species dying off, unless of course your own brain cells have also died off.

    May 9, 2012 at 1:45 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  5. Cedar Rapids

    survival of the fittest and natural selection deal with ability to best survive in their environment, and we kind of screw up with that by destroying their environment.
    For example: if a species is destroyed by man building a dam and flooding a valley, its not evolution that had lead that species to a 'dead end' and could not be considered survival of the fittest or natural selection

    May 9, 2012 at 1:47 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Reason

      We feel guilt as humans for being the ones leading to the extinction of many species; but it's not entirely accurate to claim that its not evolution that prevented a species from being wiped out. Humans are just as much a natural occurring creature as any other, and alterations that we've made to their environments are technically just as natural as it would be for an elephant to push over a small tree. We have destructive behaviors as many animals do, but we just have had more of an impact on environments because of the way we happened to evolve. When animals cant cope with the changes humans have made to their environments, it indeed goes back to "survival of the fittest", where the animals we drive to extinction died because they couldn't adapt to their "naturally" changing environment.

      May 9, 2012 at 4:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • moka

      It's not mans job to make sure every last species survives. After all, we're just an advanced monkey ourselves. We always make the mistake of forgetting we're part of the food chain, not some distant observer.

      May 9, 2012 at 5:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • mike hunt

      are we not also part of the earth's ecosystem? are we not also a species fit for survival? if others die becuase of the actions we take it is survial of the fittist to the fullest.

      May 9, 2012 at 7:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Johnny

      I agree with your sentiment, but not with your facts. Man's alteration of the planet is fully natural and within the scope of such. It just happens to be really unfortunate.

      May 9, 2012 at 9:55 pm | Report abuse |
  6. JJC

    Name a flaw in evolution. Go on, you claim there are many flaws, name them. Ok, now that you can't name any, and have only showed your ignorance at not fully understanding either science or evolution, now name one thing, one fact, one piece of evidence that even leans toward showing a higher power. Just one. Go on. None, thats how many. If there is a god then he is seriously hiding from you. Probably because he wants to hide from blind followers.

    Collecting and analysing data and observations about evolution is NOT a belief and is the exact OPPOSITE of what believers do.

    May 9, 2012 at 1:52 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • mudfoot

      Chromosomes....how do you mutate a chromosome and get a genetic "improvement"? DNA: what can change a DNA code? Show me 2 animals that are so similar they can reproduce, have reproducing offspring but have a different genetic code. And I don't mean trivial things such as color.

      May 9, 2012 at 3:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Wagman

      How about the Lynx and the Bobcat. There are also a couple species of deer that have cross bred

      May 9, 2012 at 4:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Silver Back

      JJC, who you talking to Dork, you ask a question "in writing" and then wait a response, what a dork, this show your ignorance in not understand the concept of a simple blog and you expect someone to listen to you? What a Dork!

      May 9, 2012 at 4:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • emaercus

      Hey Lets Think123, to believe all that your see, the laws of physics as we know it, all the matter/anti-matter in the universe all came from a magical big bang from the size of a pea is just as big of a fairy tale as any creation story from the Bible, Quaran, or Native Americans. If you really think about, you're just as blindly subscribing to another "logical" story from those who think they've gotten everything figured out. When you or any scientist can explain exactly where that little pea size matter or the laws of physics to guide the explosion came from.. That outght to take a big leap of blind faith.

      May 9, 2012 at 4:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • David1958

      @JCC, First, I don't have to PROVE Gods existance. But so you and I are understand each other, I'll share something someone said over 2000 years ago, that still applies today.

      'because what may be known about God is manifest among them, for God made it manefest to them. For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world's creation onward, because they are perceived through the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable: because, although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God nor did they thank him, but they became empty-headed in their reasonings and their unintelligent heart became darkened.

      May 9, 2012 at 5:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • BobbaFett

      lol you haven't listened to many intellectual debates, have you. Oh well, it's comfy to think the way you do.

      May 9, 2012 at 6:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • LJ

      While I whole-heartedly believe in evolution, you can't tell me the appendix isn't a flaw. Ask anyone who's ever had appendicitis what they think of evolution's flawlessness.....or any hairy armed girls.

      May 9, 2012 at 8:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Skeptic

      Agree 100%. These ignoramuses just spout total nonsense because they are poorly educated and believe in an invisible ghost, that is much like Santa Claus as a matter of fact.

      May 9, 2012 at 8:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • angelrosas999

      I agree with you 100 percent. It is really annoying seeing some religious ignorant people want to bring their God into this.

      May 9, 2012 at 8:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tate Miller

      Very well done JJC! You nailed it.

      May 9, 2012 at 9:09 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Johnny America

    Admit it, when you read the article you thought this was about Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton

    May 9, 2012 at 1:56 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  8. Johnny America

    Here is a glaring flaw in evolution. The pygmy elephants of south east asia. Also the fact that they have no link between us and the gorillas. Thats why it is called the missing link...also the theory of melanin production and to the different skintone and eye color is under debate currently in the anthropological community. Evolution does not disprove anything in the way of the Genesis story, it merely gives a different interpretation. Any reasoning person can see that, im sorry if you are uneducated in the subject of anthropology. The theory of evolution has holes in it, thats why its a theory and not a law. I cannot be duplicated with

    May 9, 2012 at 2:00 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Scottish Mama

      Please look up theory the syn is law.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • ZZZZ

      Youre right Johnny!!! The earth was created 6000 years ago. All this nonsense about evolution is just that. Man and Dinosaur walked together in harmony in the garden of Eden!!!
      P.S. I have a bridge to sell you for the low low price of a measly $3 bill.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Olivier

      Only 3 bucks.... You must Havel got a good deal on the metal.

      May 9, 2012 at 8:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Marlin

      You honestly think he would have 3 bills for the bridge? :) If your going to try to sell him something sell him something he can afford. Like 10k or something.

      May 9, 2012 at 9:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • longshot

      the glaring flaws you claim in evolution are all, quite simply, nonsense – you have nothing

      May 9, 2012 at 3:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • D godden

      You really dont understand evolution do you?

      May 9, 2012 at 4:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Informed

      Seriously? This silly debate again? With each passing day, previously 'missing links' are found and discovered all over the world, while the bible thumpers have yet to offer up a single shred of evidence to counter it. Hopefully in 50 years, the huge pointless distraction of religion will be long gone.

      May 9, 2012 at 4:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scottish Mama

      SNA proves it and what is that flaw?

      May 9, 2012 at 4:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Stupid BibleThumpers

      The point is that you cannot debate with these religious zealots. They believe and do blindly what they were told by someone. They have no proof or any of their own intelligence to use or do some critical thinking.

      May 9, 2012 at 8:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • t3chsupport

      actually pygmy elephants make plenty of sense. They were in an area that was not suited for 'full sized' elephants. So larger elephants that required more food died out, and did not get to pass on their genes as successfully. Smaller elephants require fewer calories, which they were able to get, and therefore pass on their 'smaller elephant' genes. Fast forward through some generations, and you have pygmies.

      May 9, 2012 at 5:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • 2yossarian2

      1. "Here is a glaring flaw in evolution. The pygmy elephants of south east asia."
      Just naming a species is not an argument, and the fact that the diminutive stature is a genetic mutation is evolutionary.
      2."Also the fact that they have no link between us and the gorillas. Thats why it is called the missing link..."
      Also false, humans and chimpanzees share over 99% of DNA, also this argument is terrible since you seem to be implying there is a specific creature that should serve as a link–evolution is a theory of population change not individual change
      3. "also the theory of melanin production and to the different skintone and eye color is under debate currently in the anthropological community"
      Be that as it may, the debate is about timing and dispersion rates not about whether it is a genetic/evolutionary change–also debates imply that people are making rational arguments supported by (falsifiable) evidence–creationism is just dogmatic silliness that tries to fit the data to pre-conceived (and stupid) framework of the Earth/Cosmos being 6000 years old...Even if there are holes in various forms of evolutionary models, there are way less holes than in creationism so it is still better to defer to rational thought.
      4. "The theory of evolution has holes in it, thats why its a theory and not a law."
      LOL, this is the stupidest creation arg of all! Newton had Laws of Motion, turns out those were wrong....Einstein gave us the theories of general and special relativity, those disprove Newtons "laws" and are demonstrably correct.
      5 " I cannot be duplicated with 100 percent success."
      Thank God!!! But I assume you mean It (evolution) cant be recreated... This is also a terrible argument: Evolution is a process based on randomness and mutation rates, recreating randomness with the same result is generally impossible–hence randomness.. Also, if this is your standard no scientific theory is true because the statistical nature of experimentation means that we are always testing it agains a null-hypothesis of random chance in a attempt to justify rejecting the null hypothesis–that is what a p-value tells us. Comparatively, your creationist nonsense is not only unfalsifiable (and for you creationist, that is NOT a good thing) but it couldnt be replicated either which by your logic means it should also be rejected.

      May 9, 2012 at 5:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • goddog

      Hahahahahahaha... Oh, you were serious.

      May 9, 2012 at 5:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Choke

      You obviously don't know anything: there was a common ancestor between gorillas and humans in the distant past and we've found dozens of intermediate species between that common ancestor and both currently living species. For a good example, just google Australopithecus Afarensis, which is the missing link you're looking for. And in science, a theory is as good as it gets. You wouldn't debate the existence of gravity (unless you're really dumb) and that's a theory.

      May 9, 2012 at 7:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • André

      If you were not an idiot (which you are), you would know that a theory in science is STRONGER than a law. In fact, theories are the most solid statements you can make in science. They have been PROVEN AGAIN AN AGAIN, so much that they dont need proof anymore. A "theory" in the scientific context is not the same as "theory" in normal day talk. In science, IT DOES NOT MEAN "I have a hunch" about this or that.

      May 9, 2012 at 8:36 pm | Report abuse |
  9. mamivaqui

    So there are people who don't believe in evolution? is this why this country is 100 years behind the rest of the world in science? Wow! The level of ignorance.

    May 9, 2012 at 2:00 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • TomVIO

      There are a lot of people in the USA that are dumb and just plain MORONS, but for saying that USA is so behind science is also plain DUMB! USA is one of the leading nations in science.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:45 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Johnny America

    Here is a glaring flaw in evolution. The pygmy elephants of south east asia. Also the fact that they have no link between us and the gorillas. Thats why it is called the missing link...also the theory of melanin production and to the different skintone and eye color is under debate currently in the anthropological community. Evolution does not disprove anything in the way of the Genesis story, it merely gives a different interpretation. Any reasoning person can see that, im sorry if you are uneducated in the subject of anthropology. The theory of evolution has holes in it, thats why its a theory and not a law. I cannot be duplicated with 100 percent success.

    May 9, 2012 at 2:00 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • LetsThink123

      hey Johnny, genesis is false! its a myth. it seems like u haven't let go of that fairytale story. I will show u that its a myth without using the science of evolution. I will use other scientific fields: physics and astronomy.
      Science says: The Sun is much much older than the earth. Agree? Everyone knows this and science proves it. The sun is about 4.57 billion years old, while the earth is 4.54 billion years old. The 0.03 billion years difference is large (30 million years)! Also, the reason why the earth is revolving around the sun is because the sun was here first and with its gravitational pull, keeps the earth and other planets in orbit. But u r smart and u knew this! right?
      However, in genesis, on the 1st day god created the earth. And on the fourth day (three days later), he created the sun and the stars.
      Genesis 1:2 says: Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
      Genesis 1:16 says: And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
      Here we see that the god in Genesis, on the 1st day created the earth, and on the 4th day created the sun and the stars.
      This is blatantly wrong! This issue is then worsened when god created the water on the earth before the sun and the stars!
      We also know from astromony that stars are just other suns, some smaller and some larger than our sun.
      With the hertzsprung-russell classification of stars, we also know that many stars are way older than our sun.
      Genesis 1:16 says: And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
      This further shows that the god in genesis is wrong since the earth was created before ALL the other stars!
      So Johnny, can u explain why the christian god in genesis messed up the order of creation here? If genesis truly came from the divine, it would not have these blatant errors.

      May 9, 2012 at 3:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • YoYo

      The section of genesis you quote are wrong because the human(a man) had no understanding of physics(star formation, ages etc) when this person wrote genesis.

      If written today they would simply change it to be god created the stars and sun first to serve man on Earth...I guess devout religious people will simply continue to ignore science when it comes to physics and the true age of the universe. Oh well, what can you do...

      May 9, 2012 at 3:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dennis

      Theories and Laws are exactly the same thing. It was just an old convention to call them laws. That's all.

      Evolution doesn't say there is a missing link between us and Gorillas. Gorillas are as modern as humans. We share a common ancestor that was neither human nor Gorilla.

      May 9, 2012 at 3:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bill

      Actually a theory and a law are not the same and never have been.

      A theory is a hypothesis (educated guess) that has been tested several times and appears to be true but could potential be disproven in the future. The theory of relativity says that time is not uniform and absolute. It holds that velocity can alter the flow of time. Which is the basis for the concept behind sci-fi time machines or "warped time-space" around a black hole. We don't actually have any black holes nearby for testing but the math works out when we use data from astrophysics, but we could be wrong.

      A law is a collection of true observations. The 1st law of motion says that an object in motion will maintain the same speed unless acted upon by an outside force. We know that this always happens on Earth. The ball doesn't stop until the frictionary forces have exhausted the kinetic energy. no one is going to disprove that.

      May 9, 2012 at 3:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • JesusIsNotReal

      Johnny America , oh I see!!! It's only called a theory... Any time idiots like you make this statement I already know you don't know anything about science and what a word theory in scientific meaning actually means... stop spewing nonsense , grab a science book and leave your God fairy tales behind.

      May 9, 2012 at 3:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • no

      yeah i bet your clone wouldn't be as annoying as you

      May 9, 2012 at 3:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nick

      Johnny America-
      Don't you have a more christian news site to go to? Please stop posting your stupidity on the more legitimate news sites.

      May 9, 2012 at 4:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mikemo

      Ew, we're all inbred!

      May 9, 2012 at 4:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scottish Mama

      Only DNA.

      May 9, 2012 at 4:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • dave

      Please get an education from an accredited school, your ignorance is showing and telling.

      May 12, 2012 at 1:28 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Oh really

    CAN I GET 1:54 seconds of my life back??? I will admit I'm no expert on gorillas, but they look like your typical gorilla to me...maybe a little shorter in the legs than the average... but I thought I would at least see something in the 1:54 second video that would be amazing...

    May 9, 2012 at 2:03 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  12. jesse

    Gorillas are ugly as hell. Even more ugly than humans if that's possible. I wish a tiger would come up and eat a few.

    May 9, 2012 at 2:03 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Red

      They would have to be in India or Russia not Africa.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • LJ

      jesse- Tigers don't live in Africa, so I'd keep wishing if I were you.

      May 9, 2012 at 8:30 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Cedar Rapids

    "Here is a glaring flaw in evolution. The pygmy elephants of south east asia"

    sorry but what about them? you state a flaw but then dont explain what flaw or why its a flaw.

    May 9, 2012 at 2:09 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Mitch

      Glaring flaw? Please explain Johnny Knoxvills friend, Wee Man.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:44 pm | Report abuse |
  14. JimmyPuff

    Pygmy elephants disproving evolution? It's called Insular Dwarfism. Moving on...

    May 9, 2012 at 2:10 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  15. Mary

    @ Scottish Mama, Which prophets would you like to discuss? Yes, God gave us all *free will* yet the ultimate end to this system of things is inevitable. Man will declare peace being accomplished with out God, this Armageddon. And finally, as we all know inherently, "All fall short of the glory of God"

    May 9, 2012 at 2:11 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Scottish Mama

      @Mary you brought up prophecy of the bible I asked which one came true. Peace if it comes will be because humans proposed it to each other. All fall short now, time will not change differences. Only religion keeps the religions from peace. My God is better than your God syndrome.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:24 pm | Report abuse |
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