May 10th, 2012
11:58 AM ET

What do Obama's same-sex marriage views mean moving forward?

President Obama's announcement that he now supports same-sex marriage has sparked a global discussion about the issue and what his statements mean for politics and the upcoming election, cultural views, the economy and public perception. There has been a running dialogue as politicians, public figures and others weigh in on the meaning of Obama's announcement.

We'll bring you all of that throughout the day with the latest strands of this story. Let us know what you think about the announcement by having your voice heard on iReport, and leave us your comments below. We'll dig through them and pull out some of the best comments from you as well.

[Updated at 11:58 a.m. ET] Over at Slate.com, an interesting piece by  points out "Why Obama is able to endorse gay marriage in a way a white Democratic president couldn’t."

The article takes a look at the long history of presidents and figures who have made claims about trying to help the gay community, but never got traction or were told to shy away from it. Hirshman also issues a reminder: It was Colin Powell who actually slammed then-President Bill Clinton's attempts to repeal the exclusion of gays in the military.  At the time Powell said gays couldn't use racial bias as a reason to rise up against the expulsion.

But these days, race and sexuality have been large parts of America's changing winds when it comes to equality.

So what's changed? And why Obama? And does it really help or hurt if he's black? Hirshman says yes, history and racial issues led our first black president to a place where he was able to make this statement in a profound way.

"A simple thought experiment reveals the issue: Try to imagine Don King in black churches exhorting congregations to vote against Barack Obama over gay marriage. Not going to happen," she writes. "In this way, the president was uniquely suited among Democratic politicians to advance the issue (just as Powell could have done in 1993). Until today, Obama’s mealy-mouthed and harmful public statements on gay marriage looked suspiciously Powell-esque. But as happens now and then to Barack Obama, history gave him an opportunity no one else could seize, and he did."

[Updated at 11:47 a.m. ET] Multiple top Democrats said Thursday the president's senior aides are deeply annoyed with Vice President Joe Biden for forcing the conversation on same-sex marriage. One source said Biden has, in the past, counseled the president against announcing support for same-sex marriage - making the circumstances that much more frustrating.

Another source said the recent events gave renewed life to old jokes and flippant remarks like, "Hello? Does he know this is the Obama presidency not the Biden presidency?"

None of these sources said they believed it would create a lasting rift between the West Wing and the vice president's office ‚Äď because Biden has gone off script before and will do it again.

[Updated at 11:39 a.m. ET] Some columnists and voters have said everyone needs to hold off on the congratulations for Obama. After all, they say, he merely made his viewpoint heard but isn't actually doing anything to change equality for members of the LGBT community. Many are pushing for him to go even further than just saying what he personally supports.

Ben Adler, writing for Reuters, says that if Obama really wants to do something for the LGBT community he should push for passage of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act. ENDA would essentially ban discrimination in the workplace based on your sexual orientation.

"If Obama gave a campaign speech in which he called on Congress to pass ENDA and demanded that Romney do the same, he would stick Romney between a rock and a hard place," he wrote.

[Updated at 11:19 a.m. ET] The pundits have had plenty to say following Obama's announcement. And it spurred a slew of statements from politicians and conservative and liberal groups.

But one of the biggest movements came in the social media world where everyday people around the world, politicians and celebrities let it rip in 140 characters about how they felt.

It is perhaps a quick way to check the pulse of the public's view of Obama's announcement. Here are some of the best, funniest, most poignant or interest tweets we've seen.

We would also be remiss if we didn't point out how quickly after Obama's announcement a new Tumblr popped up. Following on the success of several other blogs filled with gifs and photos such as TextFromHillary, right after Obama's statement that he supported same-sex marriage a new one came to fill the void left by the faux texts of Secretary Clinton: When Obama Endorsed Marriage Equality.

[Updated at 11:10 a.m. ET] Will Obama's support for same-sex marriage swing the election towards social issues? It's hard to say. The election cycle has been mostly dominated by a frustration among Americans with the current state of the economy. With the number of unemployed people still at a rate deemed unacceptable and with homeowners still struggling to unload homes often worth markedly less than years ago, it is no doubt it's considered the number one issue in this race to the White House by most voters and our poll of readers.

But LZ Granderson wonders whether Mitt Romney will take Obama's statement as a chance to turn the tide against the current president.

"Remember, Republicans characterized the war on women as a Democratic strategy to divert attention from the "real issue" of the economy," Granderson wrote. "Over the next couple of days we'll see if the GOP will be as dismissive with gay rights. Or will the fact that in 2004, George W. Bush successfully used discrimination against the gay-lesbian-bisexual-transgender (GLBT) community to motivate his base be too juicy a strategy for Romney and the gang to pass up?"

Granderson argues that Obama's move separates him from Romney in the biggest way - his conviction - and moves him into the class of an Abraham Lincoln, FDR, John F. Kennedy or Lyndon Johnson in the realm of presidents:

"Men who risked a great deal personally to move the country forward socially," Granderson wrote. "And given the fact that he can point to the 12 consecutive months of job losses before taking office and the 26 consecutive months (and counting) of job growth since 2010, there's no reason to believe the economy will cease to be his campaign's top focus. As it should be. We'll find out if the GOP agrees."

[Updated at 10:45 a.m. ET] President Obama's election was in large part boosted by the youth vote as well as from African-Americans who went to the polls hoping to see the first black president elected. But when it comes to same-sex marriage, the African-American community is a divided one. And Time contributor Touré, author of "Who's Afraid of Post-Blackness? A Look At What It Means To Be Black Now," wonders whether this most recent announcement could damage Obama's allure in the South, in heavily religious states and with black Americans.

"With blacks lagging behind the country on marriage equality but still a crucial bloc for Obama, the White House has made a courageous bet that black voters won‚Äôt punish him and that being on the right side of history will not eventually hurt him," Tour√© wrote. "Obama has seemed to want to overtly support marriage equality for a while ‚ÄĒ a year ago he¬†said¬†gays 'are our brothers, our sisters, our children, our cousins, our friends, our coworkers, and they‚Äôve got to be treated like every other American. ‚Ķ I think we‚Äôre moving in a direction of greater equality and ‚ÄĒ and I think that‚Äôs a good thing.' ‚ÄĚ

Touré wonders whether Obama will be able to pull off the delicate balancing act of trying to be a president who follows his beliefs instead of doing things that ensure his re-election.

"Does it mean Obama would rather stand on principle and lose than be a politician and win? Or perhaps he sees this as part of a victory strategy that rebrands himself as the courageous politician who will take hard stands and will stand up for the people," he wrote.

[Updated at 10:25 a.m. ET] Many of our iReporters and commenters have had strong reactions to Obama's announcement. We posed the question to iReporters: What would you say to Obama about his remarks?

John Richardson said he was thankful for Obama "coming out of the closet" for gay Americans. But he questioned Obama's statements that same-sex marriage is ultimately a states' rights issue over a civil rights one.

He referenced North Carolina's recent vote to ban same-sex marriage and wondered what Obama's comments meant to a gay couple in North Carolina.

"They didn't decide to be gay, and they definitely didn't decide to be born in North Carolina. In my opinion, leaving it to the states to decide forces the gay community to choose between the lesser of two evils: leaving your home or leaving your principles."

Richardson said this could be the biggest move Obama makes if he does it correctly.

"You have the opportunity here to take a historically profound stance," he said. "You could be the president that brought equality to all."

Richardson brings up an interesting point about states' rights. Many have varying view points on same-sex marriage as well as civil unions. CNN's Tom Foreman breaks down what each state's laws are.

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[Updated at 9:56 a.m. ET] The reach of Obama's announcement has gone much farther than just the United States. The issue of same-sex marriage is one that reaches global proportions as well, and in some cases, Obama's words have led campaigners to push for marriage equality worldwide.

Obama's decision to openly endorse same-sex marriage won plaudits from campaigners worldwide who have been pushing for more liberal laws since the first same-sex couples walked down the aisle in the Netherlands in 2001.

CNN photos: 'Commitment' project focuses on long-term gay couples 

[Updated at 9:36 a.m. ET] Frida Ghitis, a world affairs columnist for The Miami Herald and World Politics Review, wrote in a column for CNN that Obama's endorsement does not undo the fact that he has a mixed record on gay rights. It's a problem that has led the gay community has derided him for his "cowardice" on gay issues, she says.

Ghitis, a former CNN producer and correspondent, and author of "The End of Revolution: A Changing World in the Age of Live Television," said that how Obama's move plays with the gay community may depend on whether he has the actions to back up his words. While Obama's team deserves credit for the political maneuver, she said, there's plenty of federal discrimination that has to end.

"Obama's claims that he cares about equality for gays have not seemed sincere. Now that he has emphatically stated that same-sex marriage should be legal, he ought to make passage of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act a priority," Ghitis writes. "He should take a stand personally, not through press releases and spokesmen, against discrimination. He should support the bill that calls for the repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act. Now he should follow up his landmark statement with actions that will have practical, not just symbolic impact.

"And while that will go a long way, this race is a marathon, not a sprint," she says.

"The decision to at long last finish the evolution and come out in support of gay marriage is a major step. But, Mr. President, when it comes to fighting discrimination, there are principles to defend, promises to keep and miles to go before you sleep."

[Updated at 9:26 a.m. ET] Benefits, benefits. benefits. One of the big issues at the heart of the same-sex marriage debate has often been the inequality not just to get married but to get the benefits to go along with it. Will any of that change after Obama's announcement?

CNNMoney's Blake Ellis reports that advocates are hopeful that Obama's decision will bring gay couples one step closer to equal treatment on taxes, Social Security and other important financial matters.

His decision, advocates said, could help spur support for the eventual repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act, a 1996 law that reserves marriage for a man and a woman.

The law, known as DOMA, is at the root of differences in how gay couples are treated under federal law.

"Just because the president comes out and stands on the right side of history doesn't mean Congress will move faster" to repeal DOMA, said Rea Carey, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force. "But this will go far to raise the visibility of the economic inequities of same-sex couples."

[Updated at 9:16 a.m. ET] Charles Kaiser, author of "The Gay Metropolis" and "1968 in America," wrote in a column for CNN that he believes giving support to same-sex marriage is Obama's most courageous move yet.

Kaiser, a former reporter for The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal, and a former press critic for Newsweek, said his stance on gay rights has an effect similar to Civil Rights Act.

"Coming after his successful strategy to get Congress to repeal don't ask, don't tell so that gays and lesbians can serve openly in the military and the decision of his Justice Department to stop defending the Defense of Marriage Act in federal courts, he has now done nearly as much for gay people as Lyndon Johnson did for African-Americans with the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965," he wrote. "People like me, who were among his most passionate supporters in 2008, felt a sense of gigantic relief. The man who seemed like such a courageous candidate four years ago finally sounded like a genuinely courageous president."

[Updated at 9:03 a.m. ET] Obama’s endorsement of gay marriage on Wednesday outraged conservative Christian leaders, who vowed to use it as an organizing tool in the 2012 elections, but the move is also activating the liberal base, raising big questions about who gains and loses politically.

‚ÄúIt cuts both ways: It activates both Democratic and Republican base voters,‚ÄĚ said John Green, an expert on religion and politics at the University of Akron. ‚ÄúThe most likely effect is that it makes an already close election even closer.‚ÄĚ

While social issues may not turn the election, it certainly will influence voters. 

CNN's Belief Blog takes a look at how the move might galvanize conservatives and  those who are against same-sex marriage to help Republican candidate Mitt Romney, but it could also help Obama gain critical support from those who see the cultural landscape changing and agree with his views.

[Updated at 9:00 a.m. ET] Let's talk about the elephant in the room. It's an election year. Many pundits and members have questioning how much of Obama's statement was a political move to gain ground on Mitt Romney? And what does the likely GOP presidential nominee think about all of this?

After Obama's announcement, Romney reaffirmed his belief that marriage is between a man and a woman. The presumptive GOP nominee said he believed states should have the ability to extend some rights to gay couples, short of marriage.

[Updated at 8:57 a.m. ET] Much of the early focus has been on Obama's changing views on same-sex marriage. Have his views changed or "evolved"? Is he flip-flopping on the issue? When did he make the decision to make his viewpoint heard? How has he felt about the issue in the past? And why did he decide to say something now?

To help put things in perspective, there's no better way than looking at the very words Obama has used over the past few years.

[Updated at 8:52 a.m. ET] President Barack Obama's announcement that he now supports same-sex marriage came sooner than planned as a result of comments made by Vice President Joe Biden, he said in an interview broadcast Thursday.

"I had already made a decision that we were going to probably take this position before the election and before the convention," Obama told ABC's "Good Morning America," referring to the Democratic National Convention in September.

Biden "probably got out a little bit over his skis, but out of generosity of spirit," the president said.

He added that he would have "preferred to have done this in my own way, on my own terms," but "all's well that ends well."

soundoff (1,216 Responses)
  1. Neil from TX

    I do not like republicans
    I do not like obama's absurd policies. Thanks president for our booming economy, Job market, House prices and my 401K !
    Time to teach these politicians a lesson. No one must vote on election day.

    May 10, 2012 at 12:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • ever4lasting

      Tell me what policies don't you like. I would like to hear some.

      May 10, 2012 at 12:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • JANET

      OK RICK PERRY. WE KNOW YOUR STILL MAD YOU LOST.

      May 10, 2012 at 12:19 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Paulie

    Sure because everyone wants to be associated with gay people yeah right. Especially black gangster types.

    May 10, 2012 at 12:10 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Gibson5150

    I dont care if your gay or not. they are loving people most people are loving people. They can do anything they want . But they bible says there is no union of a man & a man. I say they will just make insurance harder because of health coverage will be different.

    May 10, 2012 at 12:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Paulie

      Yes but doesnt it also place a tax burden on the rest of us by introducing more married couples into the system meaning they get more tax refunds if they are considered legally married. I am sure there are a host of other legal issues like do they get alimony if they are divorced?

      May 10, 2012 at 12:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Timmytown

      The bible says a lot of other ridiculous things as well.....always amazes me how people quote the bible as though they have just made a profound statement that cannot be argued against. Sorry, but bible quotes have little to no impact on myself and millions of other people. Not saying that the bible is a terrible thing – I just prefer to think for myself.

      May 10, 2012 at 12:32 pm | Report abuse |
  4. RealityGuy

    I really don't care what other people do as long as they aren't hurting anyone else, and I'd really appreciate it if the right wing would stop trying to force their lifestyles on the rest of us. If you're a conservative christian, that's fine with me, but I'm not and lots of other people are not and that should be fine with you. Let God judge others, you don't have to.

    May 10, 2012 at 12:10 pm | Report abuse |
  5. tstorm92

    Right wingers would not vote for Obama if he introducted an amendment to give huge tax breaks JUST to Republicans. Give me a break! I could never be prouder of President Obama. He's taken a strong courageous stand much like President Johnson did back in the '60's when he passed a very controversial minority rights bill. Obama you have my vote! Stay strong!

    May 10, 2012 at 12:11 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Nursie1

    Thank you Obama for turning our country upside down in 4 short years!!! Time to vote back America's Values before my kids are old enough to be exposed to this rubbish!!! I'm only 25 but have seen so much negative change in this country since having my children, it's sad!!!

    May 10, 2012 at 12:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • ever4lasting

      Nursie!
      giving rights to gays you know another human being and you are a nurse. Our country has been turned upside down because we have been denied rights long enough. the middle class has lost enough. Their are a lot of people in this so called free country that has been denied those rights and privileges that you enjoy and you take advantage of. The financial crises had nothing to do with Obama. It had to do with greed. People who prospers off the system doesn't want it to change, but America is not just about you it is about everyone.

      May 10, 2012 at 12:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nursie1

      ever4lasting, just as you most likely do, I treat my coworkers and patient's with respect and kindness no matter what their background. I'm not saying Obama had anything to do with the financial crisis. It's this country's morals and values that have gone down the tubes. I see it firsthand every day, unfortuneately. I don't want my children to be exposed to ways of living that do not flow with nature- when they grow up they can make their own choices and I will love them either way, but please let children be innocent, it's bad enpugh they can't even watch tv because of all of this garbage the media is feeding this country. The future f America are our children and what will it be like if they are raised to believe that anything goes???

      May 10, 2012 at 12:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • FLIndpendent

      Hope you really aren't a nurse – where's your compassion for those that don't share your ideals?

      May 10, 2012 at 4:27 pm | Report abuse |
  7. geotahut

    Mr. President, in all due respect, you have made a mistake. Marriage is between a man and a woman. When we feel we have the right to change a moral law as fundamental as the definition of marriage, then the justification of murder, stealing and other components of morality are in jeopardy. You are leading us down a dangerous path.

    May 10, 2012 at 12:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Just sayin'

      You seriously think allowing marriage between two consenting adult men or two consenting adult women is smiliar to murder or stealing? Marriage should be between two people who love and are committed to each other. There is nothing immoral about that.

      May 10, 2012 at 12:28 pm | Report abuse |
  8. tstorm92

    Mr. President you have courage of conviction. You try to do what's right to help all Americans feel equal. I couldn't be prouder since you got rid of Osama Bin Laden. Obama has my vote!

    May 10, 2012 at 12:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • fofotavour

      He has my vote too. The only thing that I worried about is the Republicans who drag us into people underwear all over again in order to avoid the discussion about the bigger picture of economy, fair taxation, and equality that they are so against and have to plan but will gets the votes of those who are so underdeveloped and dim due to their religious beliefs.

      May 10, 2012 at 12:19 pm | Report abuse |
  9. William Hunter

    There is no excuse for this discussion. There is no justifiable excuse to say to a fellow, of age, American Citizen "No, you can not have your choice in partners because I don't agree with your choices." Marriage is a personal commitment between two people to liv e one life together. To be partners in all things. To honestly, and lovingly represent each other in need. No theological group has the right to continue this abhorrent line of political obfuscation. These arguments and sentiments have been heard before – as arguments to prevent interracial marriage. So you didn't want blacks and whites to marry – Who Cares? So you don't want gays to marry – So What? This issue falls under the realm of "None of your business so move on" category of polite conversation.

    Every citizen has a right to a life partner. Every citizen has a right choose that person and to commit to that person and have that person commit to them. Enough of this hateful, pointless argument and lets move on to something really pressing – Education and health care.

    May 10, 2012 at 12:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • ThatsIt121

      I do agree 100%; however, I also believe this is political fodder and nothing will ever really be done about it. This was a strategic ploy by the Obama campaign team to garner support and take his failed record out of the spotlight. And the sad thing is that people will actually allow that to happen.

      May 10, 2012 at 12:21 pm | Report abuse |
  10. JesusIsNotReal

    Bible is nothing more but fiction.

    May 10, 2012 at 12:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • PulTab

      So true.

      May 10, 2012 at 12:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Timmytown

      I'm pretty sure the bible is a combination of fact and fiction. I'm also pretty sure that most of the fiction was created to over glorify many of the true events – very much like a hollywood script.

      If you believe every word of the bible – than I have some ocean front property to sell you in Wyoming – give me a call.

      May 10, 2012 at 12:45 pm | Report abuse |
  11. dvbaker77

    this is a president of the 21st century, not of the 19th.

    May 10, 2012 at 12:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • J

      Give me a break. What he said changes nothing. He stuck is neck out on nothing. We already knew where he stood on this issue, he was just too afraid to come out and say it in case it hurt him in 2008. He's not courageous and it's not like gay marriage is legal everywhere now. Nothing is different. In fact he even said it's still up to the states. So what has he really done to further the case for gay marriage?

      May 10, 2012 at 12:19 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Founders1791

    It is science that shows us the way, as it did in our fight against the ignorance of creationism versus evolution. This time, the Gay Community is on the Creationist side of the debate, which is the wrong side.

    We do not teach our children evolution as a "viable alternative" to "Darwinian Science of evolution". We separate, but accommodate, those of "religious beliefs". That is why we have, and use, Civil Unions as that accommodation.

    May 10, 2012 at 12:15 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Aimee Toy

    I have never been so proud of my president. Proud that he cares about individuals' rights, proud that he had the guts to speak his mind; I cannot tell you how I feel at this moment! I am a highly educated mother of three children right in the heart of the religious Midwest. Not only do I see racism and discrimination towards atheists and gays constantly, but it seems to be socially acceptable! We should be outraged and stand up for the underdogs in this country who are treated unfairly, whether it is gay rights or anything else!

    May 10, 2012 at 12:16 pm | Report abuse |
  14. realistic

    Personally I do not care one way or the other on this. The President will sway his opinion however he sees fit to gain the vote for elections. I read not too long ago that he was against it and now he is for it.

    All people should be equal.

    May 10, 2012 at 12:16 pm | Report abuse |
  15. ATL Atheist

    Can two atheists marry? Should they be able to?

    May 10, 2012 at 12:16 pm | Report abuse |
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