This week, President Obama announced his personal support for same-sex marriage. The endorsement came a day after North Carolina voters passed a constitutional amendment that bans gay marriage in their state.
So, we want to know - what does Obama's announcement mean to you? Will it make any difference in your life?
it is because there is a constant battle between good and evil here on earth that it is no longer considered a disorder and more and more people are becoming accustomed to it and even acepting it. you cannot deny the moral decline of the US since the removal of prayer from schools and this separation from the church. check crime staistics since the 1960's and look at coming of HIV and other incurable disease. that is no coincidence. if you think it is you my friend are ignorant!
Just more people to do bad things. Population! Like kids being arrested for minor discipline infractions at school. Like youngsters being locked up for minor drug use. Perhaps unintentional pregnancies, absentee fathers, high unemployment etc..which didn't happen in the 60's..Perhaps 24 hour news channels that allows a robbery in a small town in say Georgia to be headlined in maybe Michigan. Or the 5% of population stepping out as gay..Nothing changed ...there are just more people and you are hearing about it because of the internet and instant news.
This post was in response to someone longing for the good old days when the world was pure!
the moral decline of U.S. you mean how we use to own slaves and not let women or black people vote or how you could kill or beat a blackman and have pretty much no punishment or maybe back when they use to burn witches in salem or killing all the indians and taking there land yes this country was built on moral high ground wasn't it.
Nobody has removed prayer from school.
You have every right to say a prayer in school.
You just cant force anybody else to say a prayer.
One by one your silly arguments are dropping like flies.
People like you are the problem with this country.
Drop the bible and get an education, you need one badly.
Drop your ignorance and get a life!!! Fool!!
Please you do not have to belong to a religion to believe in God. God is everywhere not just in a church or a temple or whatever building you may go to. We have only one thing to do in life that is to love and have compassion for EVERYONE without ever expecting something in return. Sounds simple doesnt it. It isnt it is probably the hardest thing we will ever be held to in life. As Deepak Chopra says all religions are cults very large followings. God must be in agony everyday seeing one religion fight against another and kill each other because one thinks he is better than the other
There was no HIV before 1960. It did not exist!
That is because the US government engineered it, aids is synthetic
D.a.m.n dirty apes!
D.a.m.n d.i.r.t.y a.p.e.s!
What's your point...? There are new diseases that crop of every year.
that not true...it was misdiagnosed as pnemonia and other rare illnesses...retrospective research shows that people died from aids...plus there was no recognition of the disease to be called such...it was an epidemic and it's current status is pandemic....
Yeah, some gay dude jumped a monkey.
Maybe you don't know what virus is and how they mutate. They are hanging out there that is why people catch cold year after year..
Not so, read: A Higher Form of Killing, by the great Jeremy Paxman of the BBC. It was invented by the military for targeted germ warfare cleaner, more discrete, than a neutron bomb.
Antigay--I would be careful about calling others' views 'ignorant.' Your post is so full of logical fallacies as to be laughable to the trained eye.You must have a void in your education in the reason and logic department.
I think you need a history lesson. This country was founded more than 200 years ago on separation of church and state. Those who seek to place their religion on American are the ones who are wrong. You also forget the plague and other world wide epidemics that have come along many times in history. You are just one of those biggoted Americans who puts their opinion out there without check ANY facts. SHAME ON YOU!!!!
Perhaps you could more politely state your invalid points without insulting those with whom you disagree.
Looking at the crime rate since 1960 we see that it peaked in 1980 in pretty much all categories, It remained high through much of the 80s and only really started a notale decline in 1992 (When Clinton took office). The 2010 murder rate is actually below 1960. So what happened in the run up to 1980? What happened in 1992? Your premise is that crime is linked to a constant lessening of America's moral fiber. If that's the case the America's morality has been improving steadily – but that is contrary to what you are arguing isn't it? You may be interested in the Freakonomics view of the crime rate as a function of abortion (more abortions means a lower crime rate. It's a compelling argument if you take the time to read it).
Oh as far as STDs go – the overall rate of STDs has remained pretty steady since 1960. Some disease rates have fallen but others have come in. However, the overall rate of infection of diseases that are considered to be STDs has remained at around 80 per 1000 with some variation (+/- 20) since then. So goign from that perspective nothing really has changed since 1960.
Stop stepping on marriage equality! Support polyamory!
Your post is total BS!
You, like many, are whacked.
You are obviously out of your mind...Whose morality?? Your Christian one that interprets gays as devils? Well, I believe in another one....the love of Jesus Christ or any other sane religious leader.
People like you also preached that slavery was OK because it was in the bible and people like you firmly believed it was OK. However, thinking people knew it was WRONG. Please check crime stats. It has gone down not up since 1960.
Do you really think all straight people are good.
I bet you sit with a wide stance.
First of all, prayer SHOULD have been removed from schools...school is for educating about math, science, and grammar. Church is for educating about religion. Second, HIV isn't a gay disease...have you seen the stats about how many people in Africa are infected? Way more than gays. It is your close-mindedness that has this country/world going downhill, if it truly is. You my friend are in dire need of a real education. God is looking down at people that think that way and is shaking his/her head, saying "that is not what I wanted when I created this world." God is about love, and that is it, plain and simple.
You are clearly a closed minded individual.
When you throw God out of your country and all of his moral laws to abide then the fall will be right behind it and very swift. America has fallen from grace and it will not be pretty.
The trouble with moralists is they are inflexible because they never thought their morals through, they were just "given" them at church. Even the Christian church has, over time (although glacially) changed its morals. Please consider that there is no rigid line in morals. Each person's are his own, and taken in aggregate, they become the morals of the land. Some contemporary moral standards serve a useful societal purpose, while others do not. It used to be OK to enslave black people. It was considered a moral judgment that they were inferior and that white people were putting them to useful work. As with many moral judgments, it has no basis in fact and was just a convenient way to justify an economic end and an soothe a deep-seated fear at the same time. It was gradual, and the arguments were harsh, but in the end reason won out over irrationality, as it almost always does. This is quickly happening with the gay marriage issue. Maybe a lot sooner than anyone thinks.
Please be advised, I am not your friend!
Do you mean the early Christians that tortured and killed their own in witch trials?
so take out pray in comes HIV – wow you religion is amazing – i guess i shall start to pray now – wait oh goodness i have no illnesses and i have been without prayer all my life – your theory is lame.
@Antigay.This country was founded on the idea to keep church and state separate. so we can all live freely without religious bigotry. read so history.
Protestants are the disease that destroyed marriage through their insistence and expansion of divorce...HIV spreads through ALL communities more through the disinformation that idiots like you spew....Its not a gay disease...Get your head out of the Dark Ages....
You are simply a bigot trying to justify your bigotry with a bunch of circular bigoted arguement......pathetic.
God created man in his own image. Gay people have been around for ever. All Birthed by straights. Let it go. Live and let live.
Hope you are taking these parts literally too...
Slaves, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ.
1 Peter 2:18
Slaves, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.
1 Corinthians 14:34-36
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
1 Timothy 2:11-15
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing.
1 Peter 3:1
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands.
Are you saying that the McCarthy Era cleaned up the US in term of morality? That was when in God we trust was added to everything and when we added under God to the Pledge.
So the fact that I have cancer is because there are gays in the world? Interesting...I will let my oncologist know that you now have the cure for cancer.
Moral decline has been suggested since Socrates. In terms of a decline since the 60's, you'd have to ignore the emergence of civil rights from the equation. With that in the conversation, there's been a significant increase in the country's moral values.
Okay, so if separation from the church is causing the downfall of America, then America has been in its downfall since 1802 when Thomas Jefferson first used the term "separation of church and state". The founding fathers may have been God fearing Christians, but they were far from perfect and smart enough to make sure that everyone had the legal right to worship or not worship however they saw fit. That to me means that religion can't dictate what the law says. I go to church every Sunday, and if I've learned anything it's that no one living on this Earth at this particular moment has the brains or right to tell people what is always right or always wrong. Those that think they do have there heads stuck somewhere unpleasant.
Jefferson was also quoted as calling religion "the most perveted system to have ever shone its face upon mankind." But we're apparently a "Christian nation", despite the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by President Madison.
So you think it is the government's role to impose religion on US citizens? How is it not an individual's responsibility to espouse one's moral beliefs on his children (and others)? Why must the government be intertwined? If you will remember, this country was founded on the principle that the church should be separate from the government. Too many people forget that. Gay "marriage" is a religious topic and not one that belongs in the hands of the government.
Or, you know, it could be that the crime statistics have more to do with poverty and the increasing wealth gap in this country. But, you know, prayer in school is a thing.
Interesting that Christians freak out about Sharia Law in Arabic countries, but they seem so intent on enforcing their own, Christian version of the same here at home. I suppose it only is good if it is your religion that is stripping people's rights.
Do NOT inflict or promote your religion or beliefs on me. I have the right to NOT buy it. But I do NOT have the same rights as you, and that is ALL I and we want, nothing more than you have. I will NOT be relegated to a sub species with you as the overlord. You do NOT qualify.
funny how it is mostly christians who are commiting those crimes and getting infected. I already read the articles.
Good vs Evil, the classic moral dilemma. ANTIGAY, are you forgetting that evil loves to wear the trappings of good to fool the poor sheep into following the wrong messiah? You just may have the characters correct, but the hats on the wrong heads.
I love Mitt, and I think America's moral decline happened back when we said we couldn't be like the cool dudes in the Bible and have lots of wives. Back then marriage meant something. Solomon rocked with 700 wives which is awesome. America was much more moral when we had slaves. That's back when good was kicking evil's butt.
The separation of church and state was a founding principle of the United States. The United States is not in moral decline because of it.
If you want to go back to England and be forced to worship the Church of England, be my guest. You won't be missed.
The moral decline you speak of is imaginary. To say America was more morally just in the 60s and before is to say racism and women's persecution was correct
If you don't have enough science course in high school (at least) ANTIGAY, don't post here. This post are for highly intellectual people.
I support gay marriage. Now will the media please move on to another topic? We've beaten this one to death.
@lcswquilter. I support deficating on your lawn, it doesn't hurt anyone. heck it even fertilizes, lets legalize that too!!!
I don't support gay marriage. Now can we move on to something else.
I simply cannot understand how gay marriage will affect me in any way. I can, however, understand how the religious right enforcing their views on us all *will* affect me. At some point we have got to get it through to them that their religious values cannot be imposed on the country. It is not the gays who are the problem, it is the "righteous."
Polyamorist marriages will not hurt you either, so will you please expand your horizons and help push for marriage equality for polyamorists! Gays are free, but polyamorists get arrested!
What a none issue. I could care less. Congress, and the President need to focus on issues to help the people – good paying jobs for young, SS reforms for all, affordable health care for all. A fair tax rate. These are issues that effect us all, not who can marry whom. Congress also has to compromise on issues, Libertarians, Demarcates and Republicans have good ideas, but anymore, individuals in the middle like me, have no one to represent us.
Awful lot of chatter on all fronts about such a "non-issue"!!!!
Equality for all!
Marriage equality for ALL, not just gays! Polyamorists are still arrested and oppressed!
To me, it's very "strange". Period.
Your thinking its strange has nothing to do with it. If you think its strange, don't get married to a gay! But don't ruin someone else's life.
It's not strange at all. Two people love each other, and are denied almost 1,400 federal tax and other benefits (that we pay for in higher taxes by th way), denied hospital visitation rights, etc etc, Gay marriage adds stability to relationships. More imprtantly, if the religious right were serious about protecting the value of marriage they would outlaw divorce. With a divorce rate of 53% it is not the gays that have endangered traditional marriage, it is the very people who feel free to discriminate against us (granted not everyone). My gay marriage would hae no impact on the value fo a straight marriage. My straight friends are very supportive. By the way, all marriage in the U.S. requires a "civil" license and the religious aspect is extra. I think religions should be able to say no. But in a society where separation of church and state is important my civil marriage would be a good thing and no one especially religion should have a say in it..
I have no issue with gay marriage, i have friends that are gay, they are wonderful people.
I have gay friends that are great people too, but mariage is a different subject for many. I also have 3 single friends, a guy and two girls, that are great people. Guess what, even if they all loved each other, they cant get married because polygomy is not legal. The question is where do you draw the line?
I don't think the move towards marriage equality will spell disaster for the U.S but the exact opposite. The U.S has been one of the countries in the world that other nations look towards for social progress. It seems after the social progress milestone, the U.S accelerates in all areas forward. In this case, America has been behind the eight ball and lagging behind its peers. I hope this changes soon and that Religious forces are not able to sway public policy. Seperation of church and state is more important than ever for America not the other way around! I don't just mean church I mean any religious seperation from state. If you look to other nations that have legalized gay marriage they aren't burning in fire and brimstone. Again, quite the opposite.
@george again the problem with you supporters is by your point of view anything that makes people happy should be ok and what you do not have the mental capacity to see isyou are opening pandoras box. SOCIETY MUST HAVE BOUNDARIES TO EXIST!!!!! get that through your thick skull, everyone cant be happy all the time!!!
**** SOCIETY MUST HAVE BOUNDARIES TO EXIST!!!!! get that through your thick skull, everyone cant be happy all the time!!!
Nobody should be as miserable as you are.
antigay: who is suggesting no boundaries? and, claiming someone lacks mental capacity is just soooo 8th grade
Oh, I cant wait until its legal so I can make up "your husband" jokes.
To paraphrase Mr Chow..."Good luck gay boys!"
Antigay: Interesting name. So, how do you follow through on being "anti-gay" in your everyday life? Would like to hear your answer.
How do you follow through on being Anti-Christian?
The removal of prayer in school has nothing to do with gays . Removal of prayer in school was done so people of different faiths did not feel uncomfortable .
Especially your sanctimonious beliefs that are perilously parallel to Taliban-like Moslem teachings.
or jewish talmudic teachings....
Hey, I'm Taliban, and even I don't want to be associated with that rant.
It has finally dawned on me that republicans DON'T HAVE any values. None. Zip. Zero. Nada.
They simply want control of all of the country's wealth, circa the rich in Germany of 1932, and they are going to get it.
They will use whatever lie that is expedient, and it will work. All of the retired fools that vote for them?
Hey, it'll be someone elses' fault that they lose their social security/medicare. I now, more than in the last 60
years of my life, see how things came to be in totalitarian countries like Germany after 1932.
Simply too many weakminded, greedy, and belligerent folks that relly don't care about anything but
stealing wealth from their country,and they have the ultimate power to do just that.
Most Countries in Europe, for example SWEDEN has had various versions of 'Gay Marriage' for over 4 decades – they still have the highest standard of living in the world. Where is the usa these days, near the bottom half of 210 in the world league table for standard of living.
The REAL Question is: If the usa is the land of the free and home of the brave blah blah blah, why wasn't the usa the FIRST Country in the world to have it – not the last!
I am saddened by the hate and disrespect these Republicans have for great Americans that happen to be gay. I have been with my best friend and partner for 10 years, we are both Afghanistan OEF veterans that have proudly served the country we love. We are family oriented, try to always do what is right for fellow man, and just want to live a happy, fulfilling, and meaningful life. SHAME on these discriminatory politicans who want to hypocritically lead "THE LAND OF THE FREE". I wonder how Mr. Romney would feel if our country banned the religious belief of Mormonism and said it was a disqualifier for running for President? I want each person that reads this to think of something you do in life that you think is right and others may not agree with- now lets put that issue on the ballot in the next election and now say it's against the law and see how you feel. I have the utmost repect for my commander in chief and President. He is a role model for the most important concept of our country- civil rights and doing what is right and standing up for our citizens. Wake up Mr. Romney and Mr. Santorum- your hatred and thought of using this issue for political gain is shameful.
Very well said... and thank you to you and your partner for serving us all at a time when you were not able to do so freely. How difficult that must have been for you both. Best of luck to you both!
Hugs from upstate New York Pete !!!!
Like I would want to be in a fox-hole with you. Hey, that's not a bayonet sticking me in the back!!!
what do you expect from a guy who just got "outed" for being a bully in high school. What would you expect?
matters not what O says, this is a states rights issue and he knows it! his lip service did nothing for the cause he was just able to use the issue to stuff his pockets full of fat Hollywood money! I dislike politicians so much..
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