June 19th, 2012
02:14 PM ET

What Sandusky has said about child rape allegations

Former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky on trial this week on child rape allegations  has made many public comments about the case, including that while he may have "horsed around" with boys, he's innocent of the charges.

The comments came in the months before the trial - including a newly released, previously un-aired excerpt from a November NBC interview in which he said, while explaining that he had helped many young people through a charity he founded, that he "didn’t go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I’ve helped."

The trial began last week with the testimony of eight men who accuse him of sexually abusing them when they were boys. Over four days, several testified that Sandusky forced them to engage in sexual acts with him in various places, including showers in the Penn State coaches' locker room, hotel rooms and the basement of his home.

Sandusky, who has pleaded not guilty, has admitted showering with boys some of whom he allegedly met through the charity he created for underprivileged children but denies the child-sex accusations.

Here is what Sandusky has said publicly in the months before the trial:

Aired portions of NBC interview: I 'horsed around,' but am innocent

On November 14 days after a graphic 23-page grand jury report detailing some of the allegations was released Sandusky told NBC's Bob Costas in a phone interview that he was "innocent" of the charges and claimed that the only thing he did wrong was having "showered with those kids."

“I say that I am innocent of those charges,” Sandusky told Costas during the interview, which was aired on NBC's "Rock Center With Brian Williams."

Costas pressed. "Innocent? Completely innocent and falsely accused in every aspect?" Costas said.

Sandusky responded: “I could say that I have done some of those things. I have horsed around with kids. I have showered after workouts. I have touched their leg - without intent of sexual contact.”

Costas also asked: "Are you sexually attracted to underage boys?"

Sandusky repeated the question, paused, and responded, "No. I enjoy young people."

Asked if then-head football coach Joe Paterno had ever spoken to him about his behavior or expressed disapproval, Sandustry said simply, "No."

See a timeline of the allegations

Sandusky also flatly denied a specific allegation that then-Penn State graduate assistant Mike McQueary witnessed Sandusky raping a young boy in 2002 in a Penn State locker room shower area. Sandusky said instead that he and the boy were in the shower, "snapping towels" and engaging in horseplay.

And asked if he felt guilty over the fallout that has affected the university and prominent university figures including Paterno, who was fired in the wake of the Sandusky scandal, Sandusky responded, "I don't think it was my fault. I obviously played a part in this ... I shouldn't have showered with those kids. That's what hits me the most."

New excerpt: I didn't 'seek out every young person for sexual needs'

In June, NBC reported that the prosecution had subpeoneaed a previously unaired portion of Costas' November interview with Sandusky.

Here is a transcript of that excerpt:

Costas: "So it’s entirely possible that you could have helped young boy A in some way that was not objectionable, while horribly taking advantage of young boy B, C, D and E. Isn’t that possible?"

Sandusky: “Well, you might think that. I don’t know. In terms of my relationship with so many, many young people, I would guess that there are many young people who would come forward many more young people who would come forward and say that my methods and what I had done for them made a very positive impact on their life.

“And I didn’t go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I’ve helped. There are many that I didn’t have hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways.”

It's not clear whether the excerpt will be played for jurors.

New York Times interview: Trying to clarify position toward youths

In an interview with The New York Times published December 3, Sandusky attempted to clarify how he feels about his relationships with young people.

"If I say, 'No, I'm not attracted to young boys,' that's not the truth," Sandusky said. "Because I'm attracted to young people - boys, girls - I ..."

His lawyer, who was present at the interview, spoke up at that point to note that Sandusky is "not sexually" attracted to them.

"Right. I enjoy, that's what I was trying to say, I enjoy spending time with young people. I enjoy spending time with people," Sandusky continued. "I mean my two favorite groups are the elderly and the young."

According to the Times story, Sandusky stressed that he and Paterno never discussed the allegations of sexual misconduct.

"I don't know that he didn't know," he told the newspaper. "I know that he never said anything to me. I know that."

The Times interview with Sandusky honed in on two separate allegations of misconduct in 1998 and 2002.

When Sandusky retired in December 1999, an investigation of his alleged actions a year before had never been made public, but were later detailed in the grand jury's report.

Sandusky told the Times that Tim Curley, Penn State's athletic director at the time, confronted him about the alleged misconduct.

"He was concerned about it," he told the newspaper. "He was coming to me with a concern because, in his words, somebody had talked to him about inappropriate behavior in the shower."

Sandusky said he responded by saying "it didn't happen."

"In my mind, there wasn't inappropriate behavior," he said.

The former coach said Curley then told him that "he didn't want me to bring kids (into university facilities) and work them out anymore," according to the interview.

But, he told the Times, Curley never commandeered his keys to the facility.

"And I still went in there and worked out," the former coach said.

The four-hour interview was conducted at the home of his lawyer over two days, where he insisted that his decades of work with troubled youths as part of his charity the Second Mile had been "twisted" by prosecutors.

"They've taken everything that I ever did for any young person and twisted it to say that my motives were sexual or whatever," Sandusky said. "I had kid after kid after kid who might say I was a father figure. And they just twisted that all."

February: Sandusky objects to house arrest restrictions

On February 10, Sandusky publicly objected to some of the restrictions of his house arrest while he awaited trial. Those restrictions included no contact with his 11 grandchildren.

After attending a court hearing seeking relief from those restrictions, Sandusky addressed reporters.

"Friends who call me and who want to be with me, who want to see me, and I have to say, 'No, I can’t,' and they ask why," Sandusky said. "So I asked (my attorney Joe Amendola) why, and that’s why he brought it up.

"Or when I had a wife who came home after visiting with grandchildren, or was sitting there when grandchildren call (on) my birthday and they asked to talk to me, and she has to tell them that they can’t, I’m sensitive to that. Or when she comes home from visiting with grandchildren and tells me that one of them said that, 'The only thing I want for my birthday is to see Pop,' I’m sensitive to that. And that’s why I came today."

A judge later ruled that Sandusky could visit with some of his grandchildren. The judge also ruled that Sandusky would be allowed to have visits from adult friends and to leave his home for meetings with attorneys and private investigators aiding in his defense, provided that a probation coordinator approved.

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  1. Joan

    It takes a tremendous amount of courage for all those young men to come forward and testify. There is just way too much evidence for this man not to be a pedofile. Even if one of those men is stretching the truth, and I am NOT saying anyone did, the sheer amount of testimony should convict Sandusky. I hope he does some good work in prison, because that is where he should be. His wife I find very suspect... hard to believe she was not aware.

    June 19, 2012 at 3:01 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • lindaluttrell

      Over 50 counts...thats a lot of smoke for no fire...

      June 19, 2012 at 3:24 pm | Report abuse |
  2. LB

    He "didn't go around seeking ouy every young person for s@xual needs that I've helped."
    Only some victims.
    Put him on the stand. He'll convict himself.

    June 19, 2012 at 3:14 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • chieatfetus

      ....yeah, just a couple dozen

      June 19, 2012 at 3:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • lindaluttrell

      Yeah...he's pickcy picky...

      June 19, 2012 at 3:22 pm | Report abuse |
  3. slap me

    Jerry!!!!!.......You spilled the beans.

    June 19, 2012 at 3:18 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  4. lindaluttrell

    Put Sandusky on the stand! Let him have his say! Based on his past statements, he will convict himself! If I were the prosecutor, that's exactly what I'd do: Give him enough rope to hang himself...

    June 19, 2012 at 3:20 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Jay

      The prosecutor's don't determine whether he goes on the stand though...the defense team does. The prosecutors would throw him up there in a heartbeat.

      June 19, 2012 at 3:31 pm | Report abuse |
  5. kathleen

    Let him hang himself – put him on the stand.

    June 19, 2012 at 3:20 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • captain gay pants

      leave the tickle monster alone.

      June 19, 2012 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse |
  6. clarke

    I don't care if it was just one child, it was wrong and shame on him.

    June 19, 2012 at 3:22 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  7. jimzcarz

    The court system better not fail again that's all I have to say..

    June 19, 2012 at 3:24 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  8. captain gay pants

    the tickle monster wouldnt hurt a child

    June 19, 2012 at 3:26 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  9. OPEN400

    We have 14.7 million children in A,merica living in poverty and that number is on the rise. The Ryan budget will make life even more miserable for these children. We killed thousands of children in the invasion of Iraq over bogus wepaons of mass destruction. Why are Americans so self-righteous about the welfare of children all of a sudden? We have been ignoring the suffering of children actually for quite some time.

    June 19, 2012 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Heather

      See: Slippery slope fallacy.

      June 19, 2012 at 4:19 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Victory

    Israel has special military operatives working to over through Assad’s Syria.
    From Wiki Leaks: “Israeli security forces have undergone extensive training prior to the coup to over through the Syrian government (Assad's Syria). Israeli secret military operatives have undergone logistic training to arm and rallied Syrian Citizens to over through the Syrian Forces (Strategic Coup).”
    Same operations, transmissions, conducted in Libya to topple Muammar Gaddafi.
    Radio transmissions are easy to decrypt and bribes disclose secrets.
    For over a year – Israel has sent secret service agents, a coup to over through Assad’s Syria.
    Israel has special military operatives killing thousands of Syrian Armed Forces, Army, Navy, Air Force, Air Defense Force, and Paramilitary Forces. This Israeli NATO cover up is Genocide.
    I do not support Israel killing over 10,000 human beings.
    Israel’s motive is clearer than Crude, Natural Resources, and relentless Greed.
    Condoleezza Rice and Hillary Clinton have armed Israel with U.S. military weapons and weapons of mass destruction. This Israeli armament is the cause of Middle East instability and genocide.
    Anyone, any journalist, who denies the truth, breaks the commandments: Thou shall not bear false witness, Thou shall not kill, and Thou shall not steal – should remember – your antimatter, your soul is at stake; Heaven or Hell is for eternity.

    June 19, 2012 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  11. SparkBunny- the colony, tx

    That man is his own worst enemy. After he's convicted, he'll convince 20/20 to do a special on him about how he didn't have proper legal counsel because his lawyer allowed him to give idiotic public statements, so he thinks he needs a new trial. Honestly, who would admit to being attracted to children on television? "well yes, i DO find children attractive. Thanks for noticing." Idiotic question. Although, if he had said that, the insanity defense might work for him, since he would be showing he's unable to tell right from wrong. I have to admit, the children he chose didn't have an appropriate guardian to shield them from a predator, so i suppose this time we really can't blame the parents (like with michael jackson).

    June 19, 2012 at 3:31 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • LB

      Alex: trust me, HE wouldn't be doing the packing...

      June 19, 2012 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
  12. bb

    Shame they even have to hold a trial. Back in the day they would have castrated him and sent him packing.

    June 19, 2012 at 3:34 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Alex

      Why would they send him away to do even MORE packing?

      June 19, 2012 at 3:46 pm | Report abuse |
  13. movement

    I hope he does testify..He's going to dig his hole so deep with no return

    June 19, 2012 at 3:35 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Humbly

      totally agree. You can already see him reaching for the proverbial shovel in his interview with Costas. He basically said, "I didn't molest all the kids I knew...only some." What a POS.

      June 19, 2012 at 3:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • NODEMS

      He said he enjoy those poor kids, instead of his wife.... and he sickly states that he is innocent... I could not understand what in his mind is... for these claims and talks, especially he was a assisitant coach at Penn State University.

      June 19, 2012 at 3:51 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Pragmatist

    You can just watch Bob Costas wince at Sandusky's admission. How awkward. Now Sandusky says "These people turned on me" – more like "these people turned me on!". What a sick, twisted individual.

    June 19, 2012 at 3:36 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  15. tet1953

    "Didn't go around seeking out every..." these 8, sure, but not every one.

    June 19, 2012 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Sachmo

      Your right tet, he actually should receive a merit badge for controlling himself to the degree he did and sparing more male children to his monsters.

      June 19, 2012 at 3:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Damian

      Exactly! why didn't he say any!! He admits is own guilt everytime he opens his mouth!!!

      June 19, 2012 at 4:31 pm | Report abuse |
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