December 4th, 2012
02:57 PM ET

Same players, same disputes in fiscal cliff debate

If insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result, then continuing negotiations on a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff might amount to little more than crazy talk.

The same players are arguing about the same issue - taxes - in a repeat of budget showdowns of the past two years that failed to reach a comprehensive agreement.

President Barack Obama's re-election in November, coupled with a perceived desire by congressional leaders to shed their reputation of dysfunction, raised expectations for a possible deal.

However, with four weeks to go until the automatic tax hikes and spending cuts of the fiscal cliff get triggered, the two sides remain unable to resolve a central issue - whether wealthy Americans should pay more taxes than they do now.

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  1. chrissy

    Just as ive always said, our congress people are nothing more than high-end welfare recipients! Which theyve obtained frauduantly by agreeing to do a job that they had no intentions on fulfilling that agreement!

    December 4, 2012 at 5:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Patrick

      agreed.

      December 4, 2012 at 5:21 pm | Report abuse |
  2. 1608

    Everything I need is going up but....?. You know the answer.

    December 4, 2012 at 7:52 pm | Report abuse |
  3. chrissy

    Lol @ l608, would the answer be ummm, wages?

    December 4, 2012 at 8:05 pm | Report abuse |
  4. 1608®

    @Chrissy A×4
    Just found out my property taxes went UP.Have a great weekend all.

    December 4, 2012 at 8:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Patrick

      you too our friend

      December 4, 2012 at 8:42 pm | Report abuse |
  5. 1608®

    sorry. have a great week.

    December 4, 2012 at 8:32 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Patrick

    I'm so happy tomorrow is Friday. This week has just flown by. But since I've retired, every day is Saturday. Life is good.

    December 4, 2012 at 8:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • s kel

      I agree Patrick I have been that way for comming up on a year and a half now. I miss running into burning buildings( its true) but I love retirement. Oh and my retired mind thinks tomarrow is thursday,lol!

      December 5, 2012 at 9:41 am | Report abuse |
  7. chrissy

    You have an awesome week yourself @ l608.

    December 4, 2012 at 9:37 pm | Report abuse |
  8. saywhat

    Rightly said@ chrissy
    And what exactly is American public supposed to do in all this? Do we even have a say?
    Good night all.

    December 4, 2012 at 10:17 pm | Report abuse |
  9. ck4ct

    Grover is Over!

    December 4, 2012 at 10:45 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Sarah

    The Republicans planned this strategy of not signing the part all agree on extending tax cuts on first 250 K of income for 100% of taxpayers (rich included), same cut for all; they planned it because it will happen anyway after Jan. 1 and they can tell Groover it's not their fault; they kept their pledge and didn't vote to raise taxes. Cowardly behavior to say the least.

    December 4, 2012 at 11:13 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Philip

    In 1887, Alexander Tyler (a Scottish history professor) had this to say about democracy and fiscal disaster:
    "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.
    A democracy will continue to exist up until the time voters discover they can vote for themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.
    From that moment on, the majority will always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits.
    This results in the democracy finally collapsing because of loose fiscal policy."

    December 5, 2012 at 7:19 am | Report abuse |
  12. How2 Democracy: Comtrol Peoples

    To comtrol the peoples of a democracy, simply see to it that 51% of voters depemd on you for survival.
    Some leaders accomplish this with scare tactics...claiming to be the man for the job, the only candidate that can save you from international terrorists. for example. (Geroge W. Bush and Adolph Hitler come to mind)
    And then there are leaders backed by the welfare block...voted-in on promises of freebies, which leads to a fiscal cliff.
    Guess what peoples get tossed over the cliff first. (the scared, or the welfared)

    December 5, 2012 at 8:08 am | Report abuse |
  13. Paranoid Mississippian on welfare 4decades

    @How2. It looks like they'll have to cut me in two. My guess would be that my ass-end gets tossed over the fiscal cliff first. (especially since the election is over, and i can't take my vote back)

    December 5, 2012 at 8:16 am | Report abuse |
  14. Philip

    @chrissy. You likened Congresspersons to millions of welfare recipients who have fraudulently been living-off of welfare.
    How do you suppose we could more-effectively deal with this problem? (people fraudulently obtaining welfare, state disability, military disability, etc)
    Surely the % of crooked congresspersons directly reflects the % of crooked Americans.

    December 5, 2012 at 10:21 am | Report abuse |
  15. Philip

    The fiscal cliff has always been there. It's just recently that so many millions of state dependants crowded US closer to it. (see 7:19AM post for explanation)

    December 5, 2012 at 10:26 am | Report abuse |