Two firefighters dead after being shot while responding to house fire; suspect dead
December 24th, 2012
11:55 AM ET

Two firefighters dead after being shot while responding to house fire; suspect dead

[Updated at 11:55 a.m. ET]  The shooter who killed two firefighters in upstate New York on Monday is dead, Webster Police Chief Gerald Pickering told reporters.

"The threat has been eliminated. The shooter is believed to be deceased at the scene," he said, adding that it appears the shooter set a trap for the firefighters.

[Updated at 9:48 a.m. ET] Two firefighters were killed when one or more shooters opened fire at the scene of house fire in upstate New York on Monday, police said.

[Posted at 8:39 a.m. ET] Firefighters who responded to a fire in Webster, New York, were shot at as they tried to put out flames that tore through a home, the town's fire marshal told CNN.

Gunfire erupted as firefighters responded to a call shortly before 6 a.m. Monday at a residence on Lake Road in the small town of Webster, Fire Marshal Rob Boutillier said. Webster is about 15 miles east of Rochester, New York, near Lake Ontario.

Two firefighters from the scene are now being treated at a hospital in Rochester, according to Strong Memorial Hospital public relations director Terry D'Agostino.

Boutillier said one of the firefighters was in satisfactory condition.

He also said the fire has spread to a second house in the neighborhood. Firefighters are currently not fighting the active fire, according to Boutillier, because of the gunfire.

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  1. K Taylor

    After all the questions re. "why does a citizen need an assault rifle?", the only answer I've seen online is this one: "so that I can shoot up stuff like pumpkins out behind the barn". Any other pressing needs out there for an assault rifle?

    December 24, 2012 at 3:25 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • merlinfire

      The rights of citizens to own private property is not based on "need". I own many things that I do not "need". But that does not mean the government has a right to tell me that I can't have it. Maybe if you had the mindset of a free man instead of a subject, you'd feel the same way.

      December 24, 2012 at 4:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • S Burns

      So, an AR-15 is considered an assault rifle? What makes it different than any other rifle that doesn't have a pistol grip? Larger capacity magazine, pistol gril, collapsable stock? How do those things make a rifle more dangerous? It's mostly cosmetic and ergonomics. I may side more towards restricting magazine capacities. But, I think an AR-15 is a modern version of a rifle. Some say they were designed to kill more people more effectively. Well, technically you could go around with a shotgun and do the same.

      Why do I need an assault rifle? I don't. But, why do our local police departments need weapons that are equal to what our military is shooting? We need to better define an assault rifle as a weapon that is used to quickly and effectively engage multiple targets without reloading. Such as a fully-auto or burst-fire M4/M16.

      December 24, 2012 at 4:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • s kel

      s burns they,the police ,need those weapons to take on people like you......four died today from guns!

      December 24, 2012 at 10:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • crownman

      There are many things I own but don't need but the one essential thing myself and every other American owns are basic rights, one of which is the right to bear arms. But as a firearms owner I will concede that I don't necessarily NEED to own an assault rifle. What I think worries many legal gun owners is that by allowing our elected representatives the right to alter any of these rights, especially gun rights, is like opening Pandora's Box. How about we focus more, a lot more, on recognizing/helping or incarcerating these very sick people before they act out. What if he'd had a powerful homemade bomb? The result may have been just as significant? Whether he had used a gun, bomb, fire, etc., the INTENT to take innocent life was still there. The government can't fix that!

      December 25, 2012 at 2:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • JOSE--USMC-0311

      I'm former Marine, i love target practice .. Vets use M-16 to protect America , should vets be ban from buying An AR 15 ? Vets are not the ones going around shooting school kids–firefighters.

      December 26, 2012 at 6:45 am | Report abuse |
  2. sean reynolds

    lol, maybe somebody should invade america and sort out all their problems, same way they been apparently been liberating other nations.

    December 24, 2012 at 5:15 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Will

      that is a good one. Well USA is broadly seen as a model country for many Australian's that are influenced by American culture. One thing that USA should be influenced themselves is to adopt the same Gun Control laws that were in place since the Port Arthur Massacre in 1996. End result? needless to say more lives saved.

      December 24, 2012 at 5:35 pm | Report abuse |
  3. 1608

    The man killed his grandmother, now maybe his sister.
    I know his sister is only missing but who knows

    December 24, 2012 at 5:30 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  4. Sue Gavin

    How many Americans have killed Americans since the 2nd Amendment?? 400,000, 500,000?? Does anyone have an answer to this question?

    December 24, 2012 at 6:21 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • routt66

      Americans killing Americans! Please, I hope you count the lack of healthcare, education, and food in this country for the middle class that routinely shortens most people's life spans. Banning guns won't do squat to solve income inequality, food shortages, educational needs, or improved access to healthcare!

      December 25, 2012 at 11:08 pm | Report abuse |
  5. saywhat

    Oh @Sue Gavin
    We are good at doing that. The American civil war only killed an estimated 750'000 soldiers and an undetermined number of civilians.

    December 24, 2012 at 6:46 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  6. Rascal Rabble

    dang! who doesn't like their grandma??? that's like god's backup for mean parents...the man had some serious holiday blues...

    December 24, 2012 at 7:43 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  7. Do What!

    But isn't "The Assault Weapons Ban" still in effect in NY? And don't they have the most strictest handgun policy in the sates? How did this happen? Lets ban matches!
    R.I.P To those who have lost their lives do to the mentally ill people. And shame on those who what to blame inanimate objects. Saw this on another blog...ACCOUNTABILITY..

    December 24, 2012 at 11:55 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  8. NRA 4EVER

    There is only one solution – firefighters must be armed at all times.

    December 25, 2012 at 12:05 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • philipdonegan

      Yep, bringing ammunition and loaded guns into burning buildings is a great idea.

      December 25, 2012 at 12:52 pm | Report abuse |
  9. TvNyC

    The shooter was a killer, went to prison, got released and im not surprised he killed, he looks like a evil person. Government needs to have more rights towards people that have psychotic problems. Test them do something for the good people, all these bad people are taking over our.world and people keep dying because of government mistakes. Look around they.look crazy, they probably are crazy!

    December 25, 2012 at 12:14 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • shadylady

      "crazy"-has no certain look.....did ted bundy look "crazy"?did rigeway "look crazy"?everybody has legal rights-& yes even people with mental problems...you cannot pick people like that,out of a crowd.have you ever heard of the saying,"you can't judge a book by its cover"....well its true...ANYBODY can snap..,even so-called "normal people"...which is happening with more frequency.

      December 25, 2012 at 11:01 am | Report abuse |
    • JOSE--USMC-0311

      We need to find out who the judge was that released him ?? That guy had no business on the street..Should of been in a mental hospital...Blame the judge not the guns.

      December 26, 2012 at 7:04 am | Report abuse |
    • Motorolla

      @ Shadylady, You say with more frequency. Ask yourself why, don't just brush it off with a half-baked answer...

      December 26, 2012 at 8:47 am | Report abuse |
  10. Diversity

    People have so many opinions.. But just call it like it is. These type people are cowards and they are where they need to be.. Its a shame. This is not Gun smoke (its not 1900s), its not right just to kill people in the street. And, if law enforcement stop focusing on one race type and look at the bigger picture at hand, just maybe this world would be able to stand a little better as one..

    December 25, 2012 at 10:57 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • JOSE--USMC-0311

      Mostly white upper class kids–parents can't control them anymore--many kids like that out there. Scary.

      December 26, 2012 at 6:58 am | Report abuse |
  11. Rachel

    Plz someone tell me WHY Liberal Judges let this obviously sick man released from Prison by to murder again??

    December 25, 2012 at 1:05 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • crownman

      Thank you fore asking that question! With all due respect to ALL of the victims and their families maybe we should ask the authorities responsible for his incarceration and subsequent release why this man was deemed fit to be released back into society. As a former correctoinal officer of three years I can tell you that our current penal system does nothing more than manage/warehouse some very disturbed individuals; people that should never get out! How about we fix that!

      December 25, 2012 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • JOSE--USMC-0311

      That man should of been in a mental hospital. A guy like him on the street ?? how is his going to make a living ? who would hire him ?? We have to blame the Judge on the firefighters killings. Not the guns,

      December 26, 2012 at 7:01 am | Report abuse |
  12. Thinks2010

    The fact that this sick dog is dead shows there is some small justice in this world. It's just too bad it didn't happen before he destroyed these lives. Good riddance. The world is a much better place without this lowlife. The community in which he lived should host a dance party on his grave.

    December 25, 2012 at 5:05 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  13. fred

    almost all of these killers are not using their own firearms,they are guns from parents that neglected to lock the guns up or felons that stole the weapons,why should the rest of the public suffer for the stupid few?

    December 26, 2012 at 8:41 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • Arthur

      The rest of the public is already suffering for the stupid few.

      December 26, 2012 at 12:43 pm | Report abuse |
  14. The Mayor of Medinah

    It is clearly the Bushmasters fault not the convicted felons , murderer, psychopathic homicidal maniac who beat his grandmother to death with a hammer. How could anyone blame this deranged man insane man for his actions. The Bushmaster walked over to his house and to him under it's control and told him to become a psychopathic homicidal maniac.

    December 26, 2012 at 1:23 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  15. The Mayor of Medinah

    Well the news paper that published the names of the registered legal gun owners should also publish the name of the judge that sentenced this freak, and the prosecutor that cut the plea deal that only gave this freak 11 years for beating his grand mother to death with a hammer. But that will never happen because todays media does not want to report the real truth only the hype and the knee jerk reactions.

    December 26, 2012 at 1:33 pm | Report abuse | Reply
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