Live blog: Clinton testifies before House on Benghazi attack
January 23rd, 2013
05:03 PM ET

Live blog: Clinton testifies before House on Benghazi attack

[Updated at 5:03 p.m. ET] And after three hours, the session is over. The panel's chairman, Rep. Edward Royce, R-California, ends the session by saying he's concerned whether the independent review board captured fully what happened in Benghazi.

[Updated at 4:59 p.m. ET] The last question goes to Rep. Grace Meng, D-New York. Noting French and military action in Mali, she asks what more can the United States ask of "allies in the area" to combat problems in Africa.

Clinton says U.S. military trainers have been working with multiple African forces to get them in a position to successfully combat Islamist militants. She notes that the United States just recently recognized the new Somali government, saying that wouldn't have been possible without U.S. and U.N. support.

Clinton says: Nobody can match the United States in military assets and prowess, but the United States' challenges are not immediately solved by military action alone, so the country needs to get countries in Africa to boost their own anti-terrorism efforts.

[Updated at 4:56 p.m. ET] Rep. Alan Lowenthal, D-California, asks Clinton how officials should go about making the analysis between diplomatic presence and risk.

Clinton says: "This is my ongoing hope, that we can get it more right than wrong."

"I don't think we can retreat from these places," she says. "We've got to be there, picking up intelligence."

[Updated at 4:52 p.m. ET] Rep. Tom Cotton, R-Arkansas, asks Clinton whether she's distressed over Tunisia's decision to release a suspect in the Benghazi attack.

Clinton says no. That's because high-ranking Tunisian officials told her that they released the suspect because they're committed to the rule of law and that they didn't yet have sufficient evidence against him, she says. The Tunisian officials promised that the suspect would be watched carefully, Clinton says.

[Updated at 4:45 p.m. ET] Rep. Mo Brooks, R-Alabama, addresses what U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice told the media shortly after the attack. Brooks asks: Were her comments about the attack being a spontaneous reaction true or false?

Clinton points to the independent post-Benghazi review board's conclusion. "There is still question about what caused it," Clinton says. But: "That is not the weight of the evidence right now," Clinton says.

Brooks asks: Was Rice's statement about the Benghazi attack being a copycat of the September 11 demonstration outside the U.S. Embassy in Cairo accurate?

"It turned out not to be," Clinton responds. She notes there were differences, specifically that demonstrators outside the Cairo embassy weren't heavily armed.

Clinton defends Rice, saying that Rice was working with the information that she had been given.

[Updated at 4:36 p.m. ET] Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Illinois and a former Air Force pilot, asks a series of assertions and questions. Among them:

He says Clinton, in a briefing shortly after the attack, told lawmakers that the Benghazi attack was related to an anti-Islam video made in the United States.

He says that because a (unarmed) U.S. drone was flying overhead, he assumes that Clinton would have had a live video feed, showing her what was happening at the Benghazi compound.

He says that U.S. F-16s from an airbase in Italy, even if unarmed, could have flown to the area to do nonviolent things to disperse crowds.

Clinton responds that she didn't tell lawmakers that the Benghazi attack was related to the anti-Islam video. She says she told them that other demonstrations around that time in other countries were related to demonstrations against the video.

She also says she personally did not have live video of the area.

[Updated at 4:29 p.m. ET] Rep. Bradley Schneider, D-Illinois, asks how the State Department will weigh security risks against its desire to help other countries.

"It is a constant debate, congressman," Clinton responds. "It is something we take very seriously when we do it."

Schneider asks: How do we ensure we're able to provide resources to high-risk posts?

"Very difficult," Clinton responds. "We have to ask you, based on our best assessments, what we need to do our jobs."

[Updated at 4:25 p.m. ET] Rep. Jeff Duncan, R-South Carolina, rips into Clinton. He refers to, among other things, a June 7 request for more security at Benghazi that was rejected.

“You let the consulate become a death trap, and that’s national security malpractice" Duncan said.

Duncan questions whether Clinton truly is taking responsibility for the attack, because she's still the secretary of state. What, Duncan asks, does responsibility mean to Clinton?

"I think I've made that very clear, congressman," Clinton responds, a bit testily. She notes that she didn't have to release a declassified version of the independent post-Benghazi review board's report.

"The reason we have ... review boards is we take out politics, we take out emotions ... and we try to get to the truth," Clinton says.

[Updated at 4:13 p.m. ET] Rep. Tom Marino, R- Pennsylvania, talks about a pre-Benghazi Department of Defense report of al Qaeda-affiliated or -sympathizing protesters who were seen holding certain black flags outside U.S. diplomatic compounds in North Africa and the Middle East. He asks why security wasn't therefore properly boosted at diplomatic compounds such as the one in Benghazi. "I personally think it would demand an increase in security,” Marino says.

Clinton responds that she was well aware of people claiming to be associated with al Qaeda that were attempting to influence militias and exercise more authority.

Marino then asks why the State Department officials who were put on leave because of the attack are still being paid. Clinton somewhat exasperatedly, because she addressed this earlier during the hearing responds that certain laws and regulations stipulate that they have to be paid, and that these rules stand in the way of their firings.

Earlier during this hearing, Clinton said she's asked Congress to fix these rules so that such firings can happen.

[Updated at 4:03 p.m. ET] Rep. Matt Salmon, R-Arizona, asks: Given that Clinton says that security requests before the Benghazi attack never got above the assistant secretary level, is Clinton concerned about the flow of information within her department?

Clinton responds: The independent post-Benghazi review board found that Ambassador Stevens "did not (forsee) an attack of this scale," and that the intelligence community didn't make a connection between the "threat environment" and a direct threat on the Benghazi compound.

Clinton says her department is acting to implement recommendations made by the review board.

[Updated at 3:57 p.m. ET] In response to questions from Rep. David Cicilline, D-Rhode Island, Clinton says she is "for the first time elevating a lot of these security issues to the secretary level."

[Updated at 3:52 p.m. ET] Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, asks whether any suspect in the Benghazi attack is currently in custody.

"One suspect is under monitoring by the Tunisian government," Clinton says, adding that the FBI is monitoring other suspects. She says the FBI's director went to Libya and Tunisia, and that he believes the investigation is proceeding.

She notes that the FBI has given lawmakers classified briefings regarding suspects. "I certainly hope that the FBI is able to investigate and identify those responsible," she says.

[Updated at 3:48 p.m. ET] Rep. William Keating, D-Massachusetts, asks Clinton about the pressures of cost-cutting at the State Department.

"One never knows what the budget is going to be going forward," Clinton says. "We've had some ups and downs budgetary-wise."

[Updated at 3:44 p.m. ET] Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, refers to an Aug. 16 cable that warned that the Benghazi compound couldn't withstand a coordinated attack. He asks whether Clinton was aware of the cable.

"That cable did not come to my attention," Clinton says. "I made it very clear the security cables did not come to my attention or above the assistant secretary level where the (independent post-Benghazi review board) placed responsibility."

McCaul asks when Clinton was aware of the cable. Clinton says she knew of it only after the review board began its investigation.

McCaul asks whether the cable was a surprise to Clinton.

"It was very disappointing to me that the (review board) concluded there were inadequacies and problems in the responsiveness of our team here in Washington to the security requests that were made by our team in Libya," Clinton says. "I was not aware of that going on ... but it's something we are fixing ... to make sure it doesn't happen again."

[Updated at 3:34 p.m. ET] Rep. Joe Wilson, R-South Carolina, asks Clinton whey U.N. Ambassador Rice went on the Sunday news talk shows to address the Benghazi incident instead of Clinton. Clinton says "I have to confess ... that going on Sunday shows isn't one of my favorite things to do," that she hadn't been on such shows more than a year, and that she believed that her time was better spent helping to manage the United States' response to the attacks.

[Updated at 3:26 p.m. ET] Rep. Theodore Deutch, D-Florida, asks: "What kind of strain will the presence of less military personnel in the region" put on diplomatic security.

"When our troops withdrew from Iraq, it dramatically altered what our civilians were capable of doing," Clinton says. "We're going to face the same kind of questions in Afghanistan."

[Updated at 3:21 p.m. ET] A light moment from Rep. Steve Chabot, R-Ohio, who jokes that he looks forward to most of the departing secretary’s future endeavors. Presumably the Republican wouldn’t be a supporter of any 2016 Clinton presidential run.

Chabot takes the rest of his allotted five minutes to make statements. He says lawmakers have had to jump through hoops to get information about the attack. He says the House committee got was a "document dump" that made it difficult to find useful information.

"More than four months later its unacceptable that the State Department has made it so difficult" for congressional oversight, he says.

Because Chabot used up his time, Clinton will have to respond in writing. We’re on to the next congressman.

[Updated at 3:17 p.m. ET] Rep. Gregory Meeks, D-New York, asserts that Congress "has failed to act in a meaningful way" regarding money for security issues. Meeks wants to know what the United States can do to move forward with nations whose governments turned over in the Arab Spring such as Libya to prevent these types of attacks from happening.

Clinton says: "We cannot retreat from, give up on these new Arab Spring revolutionary countries and new regimes. They are very new. Most of them have leaders who have never run anything. They have come from backgrounds where they are suspicious of security."

"We have to do some work. That work requires we stay engaged," she says. "We need to do a better job conveying a counter-narrative to the extremist jihad narrative."

[Updated at 3:13 p.m. ET] Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-California, asks Clinton many things. Among them, he asks about what Clinton and President Obama were saying to each about the nature of the attack that night, specifically whether it was a terrorist attack. (As background, some Republicans have taken the administration to task for early administration statements that the attack might have been a reaction to an anti-Islam video in the United States.)

Clinton says she said the very next day that it was a terror attack. But she says there still are questions about what promoted the attack and who the attackers were.

The independent post-Benghazi review board said the issue was complicated, Clinton says. She then makes a reference to the review board's unclassified report and its classified report. Rohrabacher goes no further after that remark.

[Updated at 3:07 p.m. ET] Rep. Brad Sherman, D-California, asks whether the Libyan government has the will and capacity to arrest those responsible for the Benghazi attacks.

Clinton responds that "I've found Libyan officials to be willing, but without capacity."

Clinton says the United States needs to give Libya money to upgrade its own security capabilities. It has its own problems, and its own leaders are being attacked, she said. Clinton notes that the United States government has placed holds on funds that would help Libya with its security capacity. Although Libya may have oil resources, until the post-Gadhafi government can "get up and going," it's in the United State's interest to give Libya resources, she said.

[Updated at 3 p.m. ET] Now comes Rep. Christopher Smith, R-New Jersey. He says America is relearning the same lessons that came after similar situations, and tells the subcommittee that the lessons were shockingly similar. He refers to 1998 attacks on embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

Smith acknowledges Clinton takes responsibility for "during and after" the Benghazi attacks. He asks: What about before? He's referring to Stevens' cable, shortly before the attack, saying more security would be useful. When did Clinton become aware of Stevens' request for security upgrades, and what did she do in response, Smith asks.

Clinton says no cables requesting more security came to her attention.

[Updated at 2:57 p.m. ET] Eni F.H. Faleomavaega, D-American Samoa, apparently is going to be a more friendly questioner. He says he's looking forward to 2016 - a nod to the possibility that the departing secretary of state could run for president in four years.

Faleomavaega talks about the unfailing dedication of Ambassador Stevens and others. He wants Clinton to clarify what she meant when she said that Stevens went to Benghazi knowing how bad it was.

"We have a foreign service that is composed of men and women who take on these responsibilities because they love their countries," Clinton says. "Chris Stevens was one of our very best."

"In the wake of this tragedy, I think one of the most poignant events has been overlooked. That is what happened after the Libyan people ... learned that Chris Stevens, someone who they had gotten to know, was murdered." Clinton was referring to Libyan street demonstrators who protested against the attacks that killed Stevens and the three other Americans.

[Updated at 2:50 p.m. ET] Next up is Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Florida. She asks why the post-Benghazi review board didn't interview Clinton. "I think that's outrageous," Ros-Lehtinen says of the board not having interviewed Clinton.

Ros-Lehtinen also asserts that while some officials might have been reassigned after the attack, no one at the State Department has been sufficiently punished. She asked whether Clinton finds it acceptable that officials who "ignored security requests" remain employed by the State Department.

Clinton responds that the review board was focused on security issues, and that therefore the board interviewed security experts. "If they thought that I was relevant, I would have gladly" spoken to the review board, Clinton said.

Regarding the certain State Department employees who technically remain employed, she points out that they have been removed from their former positions and placed on administrative leave. She asserted that they remain employed because of restrictions in law. The review board, she said, didn't find that their actions didn't legally rise to the level of breach of duty.

Clinton says she's asked Congress to fix certain laws and regulations so that such firings could happen.

[Updated at 2:41 p.m. ET] Rep. Eliot Engel, D-New York, asks about the department's requests for security finding from Congress. He wants to know if Congress provided proper resources.

"Since 2007 the department has consistently requested greater funding," she said. "With the exception of 2010, Congress has enacted less than requested."

Clinton said that the post-Benghazi review board that she appointed has said that more resources are needed.

"The funds provided by Congress were inadequate," she said.

[Updated at 2:38 p.m. ET] Royce asks Clinton why a Defense Department "site security team" had been withdrawn from the area in August.

Clinton responds that the team is focused mainly on the embassy in Tripoli, Libya, and not the Benghazi site. Less than 2 percent of its time was ever spent in Benghazi, she said.

"They helped to stand up embassy in Tripoli when (it) reopened. At the end of the day, they were not focused on Benghazi," she said.

[Updated at 2:31 p.m. ET] Rep. Edward Royce, the California Republican and chairman of this panel, prefaces his questions by asserting that the State Department "saw this (Benghazi) risk coming," but "didn't act to prevent what could have been handled by answering" requests by certain personnel for more security.

Royce asserts that senior officials knew U.S. diplomats weren't safe, and he says he wants to know why, therefore, was security withdrawn. Royce acknowledges that Clinton, this morning, told the Senate panel that she hadn't personally seen any request for more security.

[Updated at 2:28 p.m. ET] Clinton has concluded her opening remarks, and she's ready to take questions.

[Updated at 2:27 p.m. ET] Clinton, still delivering her opening statement, is now asserting there's a growing issue of al Qaeda's influence in North Africa. She mentions last week's hostage-taking of gas-facility workers by Islamist militants in Algeria. And she says the administration is dealing with this growing influence.

"We have focused on targeting al Qaeda's syndicate of terror closing safe havens, cutting off finances, countering extremist ideology, and slowing the flow of new recruits," Clinton said. "We continue to hunt the terrorists responsible for the attacks in Benghazi and are determined to bring them to justice."

[Updated at 2:24 p.m. ET] More from Clinton's opening remarks: She points out that she appointed an independent review board the Accountability Review Board, which you're sure to hear more about as this hearing goes on to address what went wrong and how officials can fix it.

"I have accepted every one of their recommendations our deputy secretary for management and resources is leading a task force to ensure that all 29 of them are implemented quickly and completely ... as well as pursuing additional steps above and beyond those the board" recommended, she said.

"We are taking a top-to-bottom look, and rethinking how we make decisions on where, when, and how our people operate in high threat areas, and how we respond."

[Updated at 2:19 p.m. ET] From Clinton's opening remarks: "As I have said many times since September 11, I take responsibility."

[Updated at 2:18 p.m. ET] Clinton is giving her prepared opening statement. It's pretty much the same as the opening statement she gave to the Senate panel this morning. Here it is. Keep in mind that the actual remarks won't be exactly the same as the prepared remarks.

[Updated at 2:14 p.m. ET] Addressing the State Department's ability to provide proper security to its diplomatic missions, Engel adds that Congress had slashed resources, including requests for security funding.

[Updated at 2:13 p.m. ET] The panel's ranking member, Rep. Eliot Engel, D-New York, is now giving his opening remarks. His tone, as we saw from Democrats during the Senate panel session earlier today, is less confrontational and more friendly than we've seen from Republicans.

To wit: Engel said President Obama is no more responsible for the Benghazi attack than President George W. Bush was responsible for the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in Washington and New York.

"Whether (the Benghazi incident) was called a terrorist attack or not in the immediate aftermath or not, as far as I'm concerned, is irrelevant," Engel said.

[Updated at 2:07 p.m. ET] Royce, the panel's Republican chairman, continues his preface: Senior officials should have known about the security situation in Libya, he said.

"Al Qaeda and its affiliates will very likely be targeting other diplomats for years to come," he said. The State Department "must get this right," he said.

[Updated at 2:05 p.m. ET] The House hearing is getting under way, with the chairman, Rep. Edward Royce, R-California, kicking it off. Royce says he glad that Clinton is healthy and willing to testify before she leaves office.

Royce, whose party has been critical of the State Department's handling of the Benghazi situation - including security issues before the attack and the department's reaction afterward - sets things up by saying that "threats to Americans abroad are growing - particularly those threats are growing in North Africa."

[Initial post, 1:55 p.m. ET] For the second time today, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is about to testify before a congressional panel about the September terrorist attack in Libya that killed the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans.

Starting at 2 p.m. ET, Clinton will face the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

This morning, Clinton gave what was at times fiery and emotional testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (you can get a rundown of that testimony here).  Conservative Republicans on that panel challenged Clinton on the lack of security at the diplomatic compound in Benghazi, as well as the erroneous account provided four days later by U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice that the attack grew spontaneously from a protest over an anti-Islam film produced in the United States.

Clinton was originally scheduled to testify last month but postponed her appearance as she was treated for illness, a concussion and a blood clot near her brain. The country's top diplomat returned to work just over two weeks ago.

soundoff (516 Responses)
  1. nick

    when i hear Hillary say "what difference does it make at this point" )pertaining to who and why the Benghazi attacks occurred, i get very very concerned of her credibility.

    January 23, 2013 at 3:15 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • ShawnDH

      Sure. You are so concerned. So not all the information was clear immediately after this bizarre attack on the other side of the world. And that reflects on Hillary's credibility how, exactly? Be specific.

      January 23, 2013 at 3:23 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Tessy

    someone please explain what and who are these 15 or so staff the republican was talking about ....that they were denied access ? Is this what this hole thing is about not using contracted staff????

    January 23, 2013 at 3:15 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  3. Duane in Fremont

    When young, she was nerdy pretty.

    January 23, 2013 at 3:16 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  4. MoMO

    4 AMERICANS died in a land far away.

    BUT UNDER BUSH THOUSANDS of american died on USA soil on 9/11

    January 23, 2013 at 3:16 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  5. nick

    i get very very concerned of her credibility.

    January 23, 2013 at 3:16 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • ShawnDH

      Oh really? To specifically what are you referring, nick? Please be specific.

      January 23, 2013 at 3:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ken

      Don't be concerned. She is more honest and creditable than all of the GOP and many of the Democratic questioners.

      January 23, 2013 at 3:23 pm | Report abuse |
  6. AMBLIB1

    im heere

    January 23, 2013 at 3:22 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • AMBLIB1

      Rep Theodore It will cause my mental health to possibly stop our goal that we set

      January 23, 2013 at 3:24 pm | Report abuse |
  7. usmac

    my heart is bleeding just like the blood those four suffered

    January 23, 2013 at 3:23 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  8. tim

    I wonder if it would have made any differance to Miss Clinton if Chelsea had been one of the 4 dead? But then it may depend up what your definition of the word is, is. Maybe it really is all arbitrary and life and death don't matter much? If we can not protect our people maybe they should not be out of the country doing other peoples bidding?? or at school??? Or at work in a high rise building??? If government could be the answer then maybe they could answer some questions and be accountable!!! Cleary government is not the panacea but we continue to pretend that it is....and we will get what we deserve. No security, lies, bankruptcy and gridlock and death to liberty, justice and freedom. If you are not outraged you are not paying attention. Both the Republican and Democrat politicians are playing games with our future and getting rich off of the rest of us while doing it. But Hillary Clinton would just say "what differance does it make at this point???"

    January 23, 2013 at 3:23 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • topfuel500

      So what difference does it make at this point, I do believe your putting way to much stock in what you think is actually happening. Step back and take a breath it's going to be OK.

      January 23, 2013 at 3:32 pm | Report abuse |
  9. vic , nashville ,tn

    Today republican lost 2016, they pick the wrong fight

    January 23, 2013 at 3:24 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  10. Mike Lake Orion Michigan

    Who is the Rep Meeks? He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer is he. Didn't he have some financial ties to some crook named Stafford in Texas?

    January 23, 2013 at 3:25 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  11. USMC GySgt

    The one question that I have yet to see asked is why in the world wasnt the military sent in immediently in the form of a rescue team, attack aircraft, special forces, etc. Any or all of these were options and I KNOW that there was several aircraft full of men ready in Italy, less than a two hour flight away. There were literally thousands of Marines less than two hours away on a ship, and there were fighter jets that were less than 30 minutes away. These aircraft could just fly over at high speed and cause most of the crowd to leave, I have personnally seen this happen in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not one of these options were used. As a military man this just means that I am expendible if it isnt politically convenient to come and help me.

    January 23, 2013 at 3:25 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • topfuel500

      It's not our Country, we are guests that's why they are called Ambassadors. We have to rely on the host country for that type of protection when we are not at war with them, you of all people should know that Gunny. Don't let your politics get in the way of your job..ex LRRP Vietnam.

      January 23, 2013 at 3:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • MrNeedtoKnow

      Liberals don't believe in the military therefore they rely on magical powers that if you don't think about it, it will go away.

      January 23, 2013 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse |
  12. On vixen

    You all sound like the fools they want you to be.

    January 23, 2013 at 3:26 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  13. Pike

    Her incompetence led to the death of 4 Americans. You can't LIE about it and then play it off with nonsensical partisan rhetoric. She needs to GO away and stay gone.

    January 23, 2013 at 3:27 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • amazed

      If she wants to she will come back in 4 years as the POTUS:-)

      January 23, 2013 at 3:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • sonny chapman

      Did you feel the same way when Ronald Reagen sent the Marines to the US Embassy in Beirut & 230 were killed ?

      January 23, 2013 at 3:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • MrNeedtoKnow

      Nope, she shall rise up and become the next President of the United States and the ignorants will vote for her. Clinton/Pelosi 2016 or Clinton/Reid 2016. You'll see! She is innocent I tell you! Just like her husband "I did not have relations with that woman", I did not smoke marijuana I just inhale it". Liberals will never mention that they are screw ups, maybe Pres Clinton didn't do those things, Pres Bush, Sr. did it and just passed the buck to Pres Clinton. Oh, my heart bleeds for the liberals and conservatives alike. Liars, liars, liars!!

      January 23, 2013 at 3:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Pike

      First off "Sonny"
      I can give a Rats bladder about Reagan or your stupid "look what those replicons did there" game. The Ambassador asked FOR MORE SECURITY it never came and he's dead now.. This was followed by some idiot propaganda about some insignificant video.The incompetence displayed by Clinton and Rice here is unforgivable.

      January 23, 2013 at 3:53 pm | Report abuse |
  14. fayray11

    exactly why don't we have the oil execs at these hearings? after all we're there in that arm pit of the world to protect their oil profits aren't we.

    January 23, 2013 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • XxMacleodxX

      we get very little of our oil from them....we are actually set to be oil independent of everyone.....read more

      January 23, 2013 at 3:35 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Gman

    Methinks the lady doth protest too much. (With apologies to W.S.)

    January 23, 2013 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse | Reply
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