February 6th, 2013
10:34 AM ET

Boy Scouts delay vote on gay membership ban

We're going to have to wait a bit longer to see whether the Boy Scouts will drop their across-the-board ban on openly gay members.

The Boy Scouts of America on Wednesday delayed its vote on a proposal to let local troops decide whether to allow openly gay members and leaders.

The organization, which had been expected to vote Wednesday, said it needs more time to get input from its members. The vote will now be held in May.

"After careful consideration and extensive dialogue within the Scouting family, along with comments from those outside the organization, the volunteer officers of the Boy Scouts of America’s National Executive Board concluded that due to the complexity of this issue, the organization needs time for a more deliberate review of its membership policy," the group said Wednesday morning.

"To that end, the executive board directed its committees to further engage representatives of Scouting’s membership and listen to their perspectives and concerns."

Read more about the delay here.

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  1. DaveFL

    Oh well, so much for morals (do what's expedient, to hell with if it's the right thing to do), courage, etc. A buch of fat old men desperately clinging to some mid-century mindset that includes prejudice and exclusion. And so their march into irrelevancy continues. Well done, BSA!

    February 6, 2013 at 11:12 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • albertvargas

      Once again, this isn't about morals or ethics, this is about logistics and politics. They know that A LOT of churches are going to relinquish their Charters when they make this decision and want to lessen the impact as much as possible.

      Pro-Gay Non Profit Charitable Organizations and Churches need to step up and offer Charter Representation to those Packs that lose support from their current Charters.

      I have yet to read an announcement or posting from any of these organization pledging support for the Scouts when the policy takes effect

      February 6, 2013 at 11:15 am | Report abuse |
  2. albertvargas

    You know why they delayed it until May? Because the Scouting "season" is basically over by then. They know that A LOT of churches are going to relinquish their charters when they make this decision and want to lessen the impact as much as possible.

    Of course, nobody is talking about the effect of thousands of sponsoring charters leaving the BSA and the boys that will be left without a pack.

    Pro-Gay Non Profit Charitable Organizations and Churches need to step up and offer Charter Representation to those Packs that lose support from their current Charters. Time to put your "money where your mouth is"

    February 6, 2013 at 11:13 am | Report abuse | Reply
  3. Bobby

    Always funny when someone seems to feel they can bully everyone into thinking and acting their way, complains when the people they are oppressing push back.

    February 6, 2013 at 11:13 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • Pete

      Funny Hitler was a Christian, go figure.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:27 am | Report abuse |
  4. MC

    Remember tolerant (now) is you having to accept my views or else. Hopefully the BSA will keep their backbone and issues like the Catholic church won't happen.

    February 6, 2013 at 11:14 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • cedar rapids

      apparently intolerance now is not accepting intolerance.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:45 am | Report abuse |
    • tavernvoice

      Tolerance is a two way street. Plain and simple. What is not so simple is the fact that tolerance should not override principals or force them to change. This is the biggest problem with our society. Agree to disagree. Agree to the fact that you will not always change another persons' opinion. Nor do you have the right to force your beliefs on someone who's ideals are different. BSA Needs to hold the line.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:45 am | Report abuse |
    • Pete

      Yeah, I am sure people who want to stop equality for African Americans and women use to say the same thing tavernvoice.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:47 am | Report abuse |
    • Matt

      "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." - Ayaan Hirsi Ali

      There are not two sides to tolerance. You are free to hold an intolerant view – but don't make the mistake of believing that your position is as valid as tolerance. Also don't make the mistake of thinking that tolerant people should be accepting of your bigotry.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:47 am | Report abuse |
    • cedar rapids

      'BSA Needs to hold the line'

      BSA need to live up to the ideals they are trying to teach the kids and not discriminate.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:48 am | Report abuse |
  5. Phxrose

    If they drop the ban then they will also see their numbers drop. Going forward with this will make me as a parent with boys couts to not think twice in getting them out from it, i'm not alone in having already made plans to take my kids elsewhere.

    February 6, 2013 at 11:16 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • Pete

      Good immoral people like you shouldn't participate in the scouts.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:19 am | Report abuse |
    • Thibodeaux

      I've been thinking the same thing.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:19 am | Report abuse |
    • cedar rapids

      Looks like you dont get what the scouts is about then so no one will miss you phxrose

      February 6, 2013 at 11:24 am | Report abuse |
    • TBeck

      Better for the rest of our kids to be spared your intolerant type.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:24 am | Report abuse |
    • Hiram57

      Yeah... Take 'em someplace else that teaches Hypocrisy. The Scouts had a chance, here, to live up to their Ideals... instead, they've again proven to be beer-gutted, intolerant slobs. Let's save some Tax Money, and watch the BSA go belly up.

      February 6, 2013 at 6:47 pm | Report abuse |
  6. garwin1

    The Boy Scouts will cease to exist if it is voted to be a gay organization.

    February 6, 2013 at 11:16 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • Pete

      It won't be a gay organization, it's about civil rights and equality.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:18 am | Report abuse |
    • Thibodeaux

      I wholeheartedly agree, churches across America agree, the scouts in our council agree, and our scout leaders agree.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:18 am | Report abuse |
    • Pete

      Actually churches across America don't agree there are thousands of gay churches and churches that support gay marriage. They are the ones that looked at the real facts and saw the truth.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:21 am | Report abuse |
    • garwin1

      Pete, you don't seem to understand that the mainstream churches (Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, Lutheran, etc.) own the vast majority of scout charters. They WILL drop their charters.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:30 am | Report abuse |
    • Pete

      Good!

      February 6, 2013 at 11:32 am | Report abuse |
  7. Eagle and proud

    As an Eagle Scout and current leader, this is a no-win situation for the Scouts. Every scout troop and pack is 'owned' by their local charter organization, usually churches or community organization. Every bit of gear, every tent stake that the troop has, is OWNED by the charter. If the Catholics or LDS get in a tizzy over this, they could crush the BSA. To kick this can down to the local level, they are only forcing the decision on the local charter organization, scout leaders will have little say. Rushing this will not help, there is NO guidance on how to deal with these issues or the impact this will have on the troops or boys. It took our military many years of Don't ask-Don't tell before they were able to make this big of a change? Give the BSA a chance, don't play out your national political / religious debates on their heads. Growing up in Scouting, I would have been SHOCKED to know some of my fellow scouts were gay, but yet they were and they made great contributions to the organization. I support allowing gay scouts and leaders, but rushing this or passing judgement each news cycle will not help scouting or gay acceptance.

    February 6, 2013 at 11:17 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • albertvargas

      EXACTLY. This is main problem, it's a moral or civic one, it's a logistics and political one. And (like I said before) Open-minded churches and non profits NEED TO STEP UP AND SAY THEY WILL SUPPORT THE BSA. If not this is NOT going to happen. Yes, they lose membership individually but when you look at the big picture, the BSA would get "crushed" by the churches t"hat own every bit of gear, every tent stake that the troop has."

      February 6, 2013 at 11:24 am | Report abuse |
    • LetsBeRational

      Rushing it? Where have you been?

      Using don't ask don't tell as an example? The Boy Scouts are not a military organization and the only reason DADT stayed in place is because of a hard core minority viewpoint.

      "Give the BSA a chance..." They have had plenty of chances. Keep in mind this is, in part, driven by two CEOs of major companies on the BSA board. Some of us see this is Scouts reclaiming what they always were before they were overrun by folks who wanted to separate people into groups.

      You need to get into the real world. Most of the developed world is over this issue of gays and lesbians. Look at history and see that there was always reluctance and fear of this kind of "change." I put change in quotes because gays and lesbians have always been here. It is not really change so much as it is affirming values.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:30 am | Report abuse |
  8. PC Wizard

    Why wait until May????? You KNOW these people will CRATER to the pressure from GLAAD......How SAD!!!

    February 6, 2013 at 11:22 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • YeahRight

      No, it's about what the experts in this country have state. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

      February 6, 2013 at 11:29 am | Report abuse |
  9. Kris

    Besides, who cares if the Boy Scouts don’t exist? Would even ONE thing change? Really? People are absolutely ridiculous. No, I don’t want the Boy Scouts to not exist but that is just absurd to say that the Boy Scouts would cease to exist. Just like the Military would fall and crumble. You haters are crazy and you are incensed that you are finally being called exactly what you are “BIGOTS”.

    February 6, 2013 at 11:23 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • albertvargas

      Kris, you obviously have no idea how the Boy Scouts work. Please see some of the other comments on this board to gain a little more insight

      February 6, 2013 at 11:28 am | Report abuse |
  10. waitefam

    I will probably raise the dander of the trolls and the extremists on both sides, but I'll say it anyway: I don't think its right to call those with same gender attraction names, but why is it ok to call those who disagree with it names? Those who disagree with this are fighting to defend a moral standard that they believe is right. I dont think that makes them cowards or bigots or little minded. I would be offended by their use of some of the terms used to insult the gay community and I'm equally offended when the gay community uses insulting language.

    February 6, 2013 at 11:23 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • Clayton Colwell

      It's telling on both sides how many folks fighting for/against exclusion of gay members and leaders are following the Scouting code in their responses.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:33 am | Report abuse |
    • Matt

      No, I disagree. On the one hand you have tolerance, on the other, intolerance. While I agree that no one should be called names or slandered, there is really only one position that is morally defensible. The problem arises when the intolerant crowd gets upset that the tolerant crowd isn't tolerating their bigotry – and 'how hypocritical' that is. However, Ayaan Hirsi Ali said it best "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice."

      February 6, 2013 at 11:35 am | Report abuse |
  11. Todd C. Bobo

    BSA wimps out again. When you take a stand for moral and civil rights , you don't wimp out and delay and delay and delay a decision. Just stand up and do it! Time does not make the decision or the stand easier or less painful! Shame on you BSA! Let's think about it a little more.... how cowardly can you get?

    February 6, 2013 at 11:24 am | Report abuse | Reply
  12. fiftyfive55

    Gays with boy scouts ? why not just let your kids play in the street while your at it ? Gays and young boys together is trouble waiting to happen.Gays in scouts is the best way to end scouting for good.

    February 6, 2013 at 11:24 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • Pete

      Oh please there are already gays in the scouts and nothing has happened. There are gays in public schools and nothing has happened.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:26 am | Report abuse |
    • fiftyfive55

      You are absolutely wrong about nothing happening to the scouts.3 of my friends were abused by gay scout leaders in the 60s,wake up and read some old newspapers.There are reasons why men who like men arent allowed around young boys and prisons are filled with them.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:29 am | Report abuse |
    • Pete

      No, that's a pedophile not a gay person, get an education.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:31 am | Report abuse |
    • whinners

      Men who desire men or young boys are gays period.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:33 am | Report abuse |
    • YeahRight

      The experts in this country have proven you wrong 55. Social science has shown that the concerns often raised about children of lesbian and gay parents—concerns that are generally grounded in prejudice against and stereotypes about gay people—are unfounded. Overall, the research indicates that the children of lesbian and gay parents do not differ from the children of heterosexual parents in their development, adjustment, or overall well-being.

      So, should gay parents be afraid that straight men are going to molest their children since they have a higher rate of pedophiles? Of course NOT! Duh!

      February 6, 2013 at 11:37 am | Report abuse |
    • Pete

      Oh, you want to get into an abuse of children debate now? Really? How many children are in the foster care system because their straight parents abused them? A lot more than gays!

      February 6, 2013 at 11:40 am | Report abuse |
    • Pete

      How can someone fighting for their civil rights be hypocrites? You're the one that is uneducated.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:43 am | Report abuse |
    • Pete

      You're not telling the truth you're just spouting your hateful prejudice.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:48 am | Report abuse |
    • whinners

      The one responsible for this article must be a gay person, every time i post something about the truth of what they are, it's been removed.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:50 am | Report abuse |
    • whinners

      And they call that free speech? Where is free speech anymore?

      February 6, 2013 at 11:55 am | Report abuse |
    • Hiram57

      You, Sir, are an unabashed Idiot.

      February 6, 2013 at 7:38 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Antone Marywhether

    I can't wait, mmmmmm all those young boys to go camping with, yum yum

    February 6, 2013 at 11:24 am | Report abuse | Reply
  14. Brandon

    how ironic considering many boy scouts ARE gay

    February 6, 2013 at 11:28 am | Report abuse | Reply
  15. Obvious

    The gay indoctrination of America continues. And, it's hilarious to see them yell about "tolerance". They are the most intolerant, hateful people anywhere. Just disagree with anything they say and watch what happens. Everyone has to be Just Like Them.

    February 6, 2013 at 11:36 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • YeahRight

      I am sure prejudice people in the past use to say the same thing about African Americans too.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:38 am | Report abuse |
    • Obvious

      See? Just because you don't agree with everything they say, you are automatically branded, The Ministry of Truth called. They are giving you a merit badge.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:41 am | Report abuse |
    • cedar rapids

      sorry but when did intolerance of intolerance become the hateful thing and not the original intolerance?

      February 6, 2013 at 11:44 am | Report abuse |
    • Pete

      Really? So someone who is fighting for a minorities civil rights deserves a merit badge. I'll take one too.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:45 am | Report abuse |
    • whinners

      I totally agree with you Obvious.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:48 am | Report abuse |
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