April 28th, 2010
02:47 PM ET

Tea Partiers to illegal immigrants: 'Sign guestbook'

Lee Earle, left, and Ronald Ludders of Phoenix support Arizona's new immigration law.

Lee Earle, a self-identified “Tea Party facilitator” in Arizona, ground zero of the immigration debate, wants you to know that he supports immigration. He considers it the lifeblood of American society and the backbone of our economy – if it’s done legally.

“We want immigration. We need immigration! All we want is for people to sign the guestbook at the door,” said Earle, a Phoenix resident. “Being an illegal immigrant in Arizona is like trespassing. If you’re in my house and you’re not invited, then I have every right to send you out.”

Earle says he supports Arizona’s controversial new law targeting illegal immigration because it lets local law enforcement do what the federal government should be doing to stop people from entering the country unlawfully.

“When people come here without permission, when they come here illegally, they automatically become victims of the coyotes who bring them over and the employers who take advantage of their cheap labor,” Earle said. “Let them come legally so they can take advantage of all the wonderful services and opportunities this great nation has to offer and they can contribute in a meaningful way.”

Earle, a loquacious retiree who gesticulates frequently as he fires off in a stream-of-consciousness manner, shared his thoughts Tuesday night before a legislative district meeting at the Jumbo Buffet in a strip mall in southwest Phoenix.

Dressed in a Hawaiian shirt and jeans, his long gray hair pulled back, Earle said he blames health care, education and incarceration for illegal immigrants for contributing to the state’s $2 billion budget deficit.

“It’s a monetary thing for the state, because I’m a taxpayer but also a human concerned because they can’t take advantage of our legal system because they’re afraid of being deported,” he said.

Earle’s friend and fellow Tea Partier Ronald Ludders dismissed with a wave of the hand the suggestion that the bill encourages racial profiling.

“Illegal is not a race," said Ludders, who, like Earle, is a Republican precinct committeeman for his legislative district. “Law enforcement will be looking for people who they have reasonable suspicion to believe are breaking the law. They cannot stop them based on the color of their skin.”

Both men say this is not about hating Hispanics: Ludders has a home in Mexico, and Earle lives in a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood.

“This is about fixing a problem that has been plaguing our communities for a long time. If the federal government isn’t going to do anything, I’m proud of Arizona for stepping up to the plate,” Earle said.

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  1. Kat

    A Seizure
    A Seizure: Although a detention is a "seizure" under the Fourth Amendment (Terry v. Ohio, supra, at p. 19, fn. 16 [20 L.Ed.2nd at pp. 904-905].), it is allowed on less than probable cause because the intrusion is relatively minimal and is done for a valid and necessary investigative purpose.

    And note P.C. § 833.5, providing a peace officer the authority to detain for investigation anyone who the officer has "reasonable cause" to believe illegally has in his or her possession a firearm or other deadly weapon.

    Probable Cause vs. Reasonable Suspicion
    Probable Cause vs. Reasonable Suspicion: The occasional inarticulate judicial references to the need to prove "probable cause" (e.g., see United States v. Willis (9th Cir. 2005) 431 F.3rd 709, 715, referring to the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in Whren v. United States (1996) 517 U.S. 806 [135 L.Ed.2nd 89].) was not intended to raise the standard of proof from one of needing only a "reasonable suspicion." (United States v. Lopez (9th Cir. 2000) 205 F.3rd 1101-1104.)

    April 28, 2010 at 9:39 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Sayed

    Hi Nicole,
    Quoted from the law:

    Specifies that a person is presumed to be lawfully present if the person provides any of the following:

    Ø A valid Arizona driver license.

    Ø A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.

    Ø A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.

    Ø A valid federal, state or local government issued identification, if the issuing entity requires proof of legal presence before issuance.

    You can't deport Moose. His license DOES count.

    Please read the law before spreading misinformation.

    Thank you.

    April 28, 2010 at 9:39 pm | Report abuse |
  3. 1ProudLatina

    I'm Hispanic and I'm not up in arms about this because I'm illegal... I'm also an American Citizen, but a citizen who cannot roam freely without the fear of being stopped. I don't even have a passport..so what then? Carry my birth certificate around for just in case? This law not only affects illegal immigrants, it affects me as an AMERICAN CITIZEN! Now do you all get???

    April 28, 2010 at 9:40 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Christopher Bingham

    Reading this board makes me ashamed to be an American. In the America I was born in, we were taught that the 4th Amendment protected us from unreasonable search and seizure – and went on to detail that reasonable required probable cause.

    The only proof of citizenship is US passport. All a driver's license proves is that you can work the local system and pass a driving test.

    The bill of rights applies to all persons and requires due process including a jury of your peers to remove those rights. My father and uncle fought in war against a country that was famous for the Gestapos demand of "Your papers, please."

    Accepting this kind of hysteria and giving up the right to be simply left alone disgusts me. I see few Americans on this board – just sniveling, tiny cowards who neither know what it means or deserve to be free.

    April 28, 2010 at 9:40 pm | Report abuse |
  5. CK in SD

    Clearly the solution is to allow for more guest worker permits for unskilled workers. This would allow for the unskilled workers who currently come in illegally to actually have a reasonable, possible, legal means to get the job they need to support their family. You can kick people out as much as you want, but as long as they can make more money here than in Mexico they will keep coming back.

    April 28, 2010 at 9:40 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Chloe

    I am a democrat, but I am tired of watching people come into this country (via tourist visas) and then settling in thinking it is okay. I would never think about working overseas without going through the proper channels. I live in Florida and every few years there is a new influx of illegals in landscaping/roofing companies. 15 yrs ago it was those who fled the former Yugoslavia, then Haiti and most recently Mexico. He who accepts the lowest wage gets hired....

    April 28, 2010 at 9:40 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Libertyman13

    John Lupus: WRONG, of course. Though I'm sure the more people that get their rights denied the happier conservatives get, huh? Of course they have rights, and the Supreme Court has constantly affirmed this. Even such big-government justices as Rehnquist and Scalia thought so.

    Now, conservatives, let me draw a picture for you. You only seem able to comprehend something as an assault on liberty if it affects you personally, which is scary but its the reality we live in. So, if you support this cowardly, big-government tactic by Arizona, you must of course be willing to be stopped, questioned, and detained if you've forgotten your license. Because that is exactly the freedom you are surrendering. You are saying, its fine. I'm willing to be approached by police constantly (legal contact includes just approaching a person) and potentially arrested for not having id in order to stop illegal immigrants from being here. Yup, sounds like freedom to me!

    April 28, 2010 at 9:41 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Joe

    The american indian would say all illegal aliens are blonde and blue eyed and speak english.

    April 28, 2010 at 9:41 pm | Report abuse |
  9. 2toy

    I support all laws that target any illegal deeds by anyone in this country. The problem with this particular state law is that it's geared to target a particular segment of the society. Let's all be honest here, 'reasonable suspicion' is such a great gray qualifier, and it most certainly does not apply for all intents and purposes to white people. You think cops would stop uncle Tom, Dick, or Harry because of reasonable suspicion they are illegal immigrants? I'm non-white and a US citizen, what this law requires is for me to carry my citizenship papers at all times, not just my DL. I will always run the risk of getting stopped by police because I am not white. Only when I start seeing people of all colors getting stopped for legal papers, will I agree to this law, but that will not happen. Otherwise, I will be treated as a second class citizen. People would only say this law is rightful only if they are not adversely affected by it.

    April 28, 2010 at 9:42 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Diego

    You are wrong. Read the quote below again.

    "Requires officials and agencies to reasonably attempt to determine the immigration status of a person involved in a lawful contact where reasonable suspicion exists regarding the immigration status of the person."

    And you say, "It does not allow police to investigate merely on the basis of color or race."

    If a police officer decides that a brown face constitutes "reasonable suspicion" to him, this law gives him the power to detain, harrass, and arrest that person. Un-American, un-Constitutional, the End.

    April 28, 2010 at 9:42 pm | Report abuse |
  11. 1ProudLatina

    Good night all...I'm tired. Hopefully tomorrow will be a better day... Glad to see there are more eyes opening to the reality of what this new law means to so many people.

    April 28, 2010 at 9:43 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Marc

    The law says illegal not Hispanic, they do not mean the same thing. People are making assumptions here. Anyone can be stopped at any time for any reason and have to produce upon demand identification regardless of race, age, or sex. This law will not change anything because we already forfeited our right to privacy and many civil liberties when we enacted the Patriot Act out of mass hysteria. If you do not produce ID you will be detained until your identification can be established, this happens now already so really what will this law do? Nobody is protected or has a right to privacy no matter what you look like. If government wants to intrude it will, and a state cannot create a law that circumvents or goes against federal law but does it matter? The Patriot Act screwed us anyway. And again, people will profile because you cannot control a subconscious level. Everyone has a grain of racism in them even if they do not know it, it is who we are. Is the law perfect? Probably not but really what are you going to do? Change statrs somewhere. As far as rogue cops, you know the difference between a cop and a criminal is a badge right? Are there exceptions, sure, but that is the general rule and I know a lot of friends that are cops now.

    April 28, 2010 at 9:44 pm | Report abuse |
  13. cmack

    Please read the bill


    Its only 19 pages unlike some other 2000+ page bills recently passed by congress. most of the questions of people who fear this bill will be answered here. It is basically crafted after federal law that the federal law chooses not to enforce.

    April 28, 2010 at 9:44 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Sayed

    Hi 1ProudLatina: Per the law
    Specifies that a person is presumed to be lawfully present if the person provides any of the following:

    Ø A valid Arizona driver license.

    Ø A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.

    Ø A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.

    Ø A valid federal, state or local government issued identification, if the issuing entity requires proof of legal presence before issuance.

    And you will only be stopped if you give the police some other reason to stop you. Don't run any red lights, don't speed, or try to hit someone or violate any other law.

    They can't stop and investigate you just because you're a hispanic looking woman.

    April 28, 2010 at 9:44 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Justvoicinganopinion

    Newsflash: America was started by Illegal Immigrants stealing other people's lands, not learning the languages and killing whenever they needed more living room. Learn your history people.

    April 28, 2010 at 9:45 pm | Report abuse |
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