July 12th, 2010
02:57 PM ET

Police: Shooter kills self, two others in workplace attack

Police respond to a workplace shooting in Albuquerque, New Mexico, on Monday.

[Updated at 5:44 p.m., July 12] Three people - not six, as police initially said - are dead after Monday's shooting at a business in Albuquerque, according to Police Chief Ray Schultz.

The three dead include the shooter, who turned a gun on himself, according to police.

[Updated at 2:58 p.m., July 12] A former employee shot and killed five people at a business Monday in Albuquerque before turning the gun on herself, New Mexico authorities said.

Police said officers responded to a 911 call at 9:26 a.m. (11:26 a.m. ET) that multiple shots had been fired. When officers entered the building, they found a total of 10 people shot: four were dead, including a man believed to be the shooter, officials said. CNN mistakenly reported earlier that the shooter was believed to be a woman.

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Two people have died as a result of gunshot wounds, two are in stable condition, and two others are receiving emergency medical attention, police said.

"We believe this incident to be a domestic-violence workplace situation," Albuquerque Police Chief Ray Schultz said.

One of the victims, Schultz said, is believed to be the wife or girlfriend of the shooter, who was a current employee at Emcore Coporation.

According to CNN affiliate KRQE, police said the shooter had been involved in a past domestic violence incident.


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  1. Naruto

    *sigh .

    July 12, 2010 at 1:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scott W.

      "(Tell me why) I don't like Mondays."

      July 12, 2010 at 2:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Naruto

      This story's different, It said, "turned the gun on herself".

      *sighs again.


      July 12, 2010 at 2:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • elitesack

      IF i was there i would have blown the assailants head off before he killed that many people. I would have made him an AN HERO

      July 12, 2010 at 2:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • WhoDat

      Nobody allowed to carry a weapon in civilian areas? Give me a break! The gun didn't kill anyone. It was the idiots that held it and pulled the trigger. More people die each year from drunk driving. Apply your faulty logic to another topic and you'll see how screwed up it is. Since people die in accidents, we should take away cars. This is like saying pencils misspell words. Get a life!

      Matt hit the nail on the head. We have proven statistics that areas with high gun ownership have lower crime. Area's where guns are banned or highly restricted have more crime. Why? Because law abiding citizens obey the law and criminals don't. Criminals have an open feeding ground on helpless prey...

      July 12, 2010 at 2:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ms. D

      Let's all remember what the NRA says, "People shoot people, not guns" DUH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      July 12, 2010 at 2:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • W

      No, we don't need gun control, not at all.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jason D


      You would have blown her head off?....meaning youd be in the workplace with a gun in your desk?....dont think youd have had to worry about being a hero..may be getting jailed before theyd even walked in for having a loaded weapon in your desk..as the shots were sufficient to be from a single loaded gun so could have taken about 5 seconds to aim and shoot..in that time if youd have got your gun and loaded it and shot youd deserve a hero status...more likely youd be one of them shot or shed have killed herself before youd have gotten loaded then the police would come in with you holding a weapon and shoot you

      July 12, 2010 at 2:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • BD

      People who have guns have predisposition to kill something – animal, humans, whatever. Primary reason for cars is to transport, and accident happen. With guns, there is only one end, and the intent is clear.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Andy

      I live in Albuquerque and know two people who work at Emcore, the business that was shot up. The shooter is in fact a 37 year old MALE and it was domestic violence at his wife's workplace. The shooter is an ex employee at Emcore.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joe

      I carry a licensed firearm for the one-in-a-million time when something like this happens so I and those around me won't be victims. So to all you people who preach gun control...if it was YOUR son, daughter, wife, or husband who won't be coming home tonight, would you have wanted me there to stop that woman with my licensed, Second Amendment protected weapon? God bless the Second Amendment, Glock, and the NRA in that order!

      July 12, 2010 at 2:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • anhero

      IF i was there i would have blown the assailants head off before he killed that many people. I would have made him an AN HERO

      July 12, 2010 at 2:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • capiers

      @whodat: If that women did not have access to a gun then those people may still be alive. We all know that guns don't kill people on their own but when assisted by a raged lunatic they do. Just like cars kill people when assisted by a drunk driver. So drinking and driving is was instantiated to help prevent those types of accidents. Banning hand guns(concealed) is the next step to controlling hand gun violence. Unfortunately Human beings can be irrational and need someone to help keep them in line, else we have anarchy.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry Lamb

      Non civillian country Saudi Arabia

      August 14, 2010 at 2:40 pm | Report abuse |
  2. logan

    Good thing its hard to get ahold of a gun in the US!

    July 12, 2010 at 2:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • SOF

      they use butcher knives in China.. so don't go blaming the gun. Blame the lack of mental health counseling. Too bad she didnt use her car instead. I would love to see a push to ban private use of automobiles because they can be used as weapons!

      July 12, 2010 at 2:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • ketrout

      I hate saying this but it is NOT that hard to obtain a gun. Just ask the criminal, they never seem to be without guns.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Thomas

      Do pencils misspell words?

      July 12, 2010 at 2:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ben

      SOF, do you really want to start comparing the US to China?

      July 12, 2010 at 2:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • slicc

      Oh yeah cause the gun walked in there an killed people. Guns do not kill people, people kill people! Whether this person was armed or not she was going to do something violent.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • john

      Hardly a gun controll issue. Guns are the easy thing to blame but it is the mental health of Americans that really needs to be in question. Desperate people do strange things by any means necessary. Sad occurance but could likely have been prevented by more direct means than gun controll.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kent Allard

      You can out run a butcher knive.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kent Allard

      You can out run a butcher knife as well.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • MG Arizona

      Conservatives you always want carry guns for your insecurities, so stop giving all lame reasoning and silly comparisons to justify yourself. What a silly comment "People kill people guns dont", its laughable.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jordan

      It is ridiculous how easy it is for an American citizen to obtain a gun legally, I'm a Canadian and I had to take a safety course, take two exams (one for non-restricted firearms [rifles/shotguns] and one for restricted firearms [handguns]), then I had to fill out a huge application form, have a guarantor and two references (all three were called and interviewed) then I got a call and was interviewed.

      In the US all you have is a background check and voila! here you go! No safety training required...

      July 12, 2010 at 2:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Simon

      NRA types sometimes ask me if I would prefer the crazy people use knives instead of guns to kill. I answer yes. You can't murder 10 people in a row with a knife. Hand guns need to be controlled just like sticks of dynamite, explosives and dangerous poisons do.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • The Who

      Facts: 1) Gun is a weapon – car is not. 2) One can kill many people quickly with gun as they have no chance to escape or defend themselves without one. 3) Car could be used as a weapon, but much less successfully than a gun and victims chances of survival are much better (just look at any homicide related statistics). 4) It is easier to defend yourself from a knife than from a gun. 5) In the society where guns are prohibited, a gun possession as punished by much harsher sentences (on a basis why do you need a gun a the first place when nobody else should have it). 6) more than 90% of all homicides are domestic or workplace disputes.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • ja

      The problem is, we're so buried in guns that gun control wouldn't work. Like others have said, only the criminals would have guns because they're EVERYWHERE. We'd have to get rid of all the guns, which is not a possibility. Too bad we didn't start a gun control law before they took over our country. The best we can do is have really strict tests/reference checks/interviews, etc. before allowing anyone to have a gun. The criminals will always have guns, unfortunately.

      July 12, 2010 at 3:07 pm | Report abuse |
  3. MG Arizona

    Domestic situation between two people, why the heck did you kill others? Anyway no point in asking that question now too late.

    July 12, 2010 at 2:00 pm | Report abuse |
  4. cassman

    yeah I know, second right amendment, but just goes to prove that not everyone should be allowed to possess a weapon

    July 12, 2010 at 2:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Corey

      Yeah MG,.,..that's a great idea,...then only criminals would have weapons....quick news flash on banning guns,...the following list provides the #'s for the top 10 murder rate counteries...know what they have in common? Only criminals have guns!


      PER 100,000
      (1) Lesotho 141
      (2) Bahamas 23
      (3) Guyana 22
      (4) Lebanon 20
      (5) Netherlands Antilles 12
      (6) Iraq 12
      (7) Sri Lanka 12
      (8) Cyprus 11
      (9) Trindad & Tobago 10
      (10) Jamaica 10

      July 12, 2010 at 2:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Thomas

      So if it is made illegal to own firearms, do you think those who don't mind breaking the law will follow that one? I do think they should make it tougher to obtain a license and age restrictions should be in place but taking firearms out of the hands of those who obey the law is just as dangerous. People have no chance to protect themselves which would only makes things worse as criminals would break in knowing they don't have to worry about someone shooting back. I know I wouldn't sleep very well living this close to Mexico...

      July 12, 2010 at 2:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • hindqtr

      Not everyone, or just anyone, is allowed to possess a firearm. But, a weapon could be a broom handle. Idiots like these probably had their guns illegally. I went through extensive background checks, fingerprints, the whole nine yards to be allowed to possess and cary mine to protect myself from THESE IDIOTS! And, with the downslide of this countries economy, depression and anger will bring out even more of these idiots. I'm unemployed myself and probably going to lose my house but I'm not going to let it depress me and drive me into insanity or into doing anything stupid... I'm not a stupid person... these apparently were.... even if suidicidal, that's stupid too. NEVER!!! (Course, yet, we really don't know what happened here or the reasoning. One of these victims could have been trying to defend themselves... we don't know yet and maybe never will)

      July 12, 2010 at 2:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • whatever

      Just look it our WhiteHouse....proof that everyone shouldn't have the right to vote.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • SOF

      2nd Amendment has nothing to do with it! Criminals AREN'T allowed to possess weapons, yet they do and crime with firearms still goes on. Murder by ANY means is illegal, yet people still get drunk and drive (illegally) and run people over with cars (yet again illegally) so dont go putting it all on ease of firearms. More deaths are caused Illegally with other objects as the tool of demise than guns are, so why dont you go banning those first.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Smity


      You list is a little outdated – being from the 1970's and all!

      July 12, 2010 at 2:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Smity

      If you would have bothered to just look a little further, you would have found a more current list (by about 30 years)from 2003, which include from 1 to 10:
      (per 100,000)

      Columbia 63
      South Africa 51
      Jamaica 32
      Venezuela 32
      Russia 19
      Mexico 13
      Lithuania 10
      Estonia 10
      Latvia 10
      Belarus 9

      July 12, 2010 at 2:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Corey

      @ Smity, yes it was outdated...but not from the 70's jacka$$...it's dated 2003...pretty current and your list demonstrates the same theory idiot stick!

      July 12, 2010 at 2:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Luke

      I'm willing to argue that the heart debate is that the pros outweigh the cons regarding private gun ownership, regardless of only the criminals end up with the weapons; which I do find that there is no evidence for in the first place. Technically, my hands are weapons (aikido master), but I choose not to use them.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • ryanwi

      Alright Casey, now list the bottom 10 countries and their gun laws. Guess what. They all ban firearms. Do you understand why using your method would produce these results? Do you have a single clue about how to use statistics in any rational way?

      July 12, 2010 at 2:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • BD

      Corey – are we in the US in the same league as those countries listed? Please do not shame us. I would have appreciated to see Canada, Britain, Germany numbers to prove the point.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • capiers

      @Corey: Your info is based on all murders not just murders by handguns. If you break down that list I guarantee you in the places where handgun control is implemented that thethere were less murders by handguns then any othere type of weapon.

      July 12, 2010 at 3:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Corey

      BD...none of our peers have the same freedoms we have...they all ban gun ownership! I prefer to live in the US to any of what you consider our "peers"...having worked and traveled extensively all over the globe, and the ability to live and work pretty much anywhere I want...I still prefer the US to places like Germany and the UK where they all let the gov't make all of their decisions for them in their socialist world...

      July 12, 2010 at 3:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Corey

      capiers....actually when you look at the data...the murder rate by firearm (hand gun) which sits roughly at 2/3 of all murders in the US is lower than country's like Mexico, Columbia and and many others...murder is murder...17% of all murders in the US are committed with a edged weapon (aka knife)...should we also outlaw knives? Someone murdered by a knife is no less valuable than one by a fire arm. The point is...study after study shows that gun control is no less a deterrent to murder...look at Chicago...during their hand gun ban years their murder rate was 3x that of DC's (which also had a similar ban in place at the time)

      July 12, 2010 at 3:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • AlexForFreedom

      @Corey, even when it upsets you so much that someone debunks your propaganda parroting, you forgot to include in the list those countries that have extremely strict gun enforcement laws (including total bans) that have lower than the US killings-by- gun rates:

      Just as an example of many more:

      All the European Community
      All the Scandinavian Countries
      UK (except Ireland, that shows higher rates)

      And of those countries that have a high incidence of murders that have a strict gun rules (i.e. Mexico and Colombia) the problem resides on the importation of high-cal and assault weapons freely acquired in the US.

      So go ahead and now insult me, because that seems to be your only recourse when facts against your propaganda are presented. Here are the propaganda techniques you are using, parroting, since I believe you are not the one coming up with them:

      An analogy is a correspondence in some respects between things otherwise dissimilar, such as "a ninety year old and a twelve year old both like to swim". They have love of the sport in common, but not physical capabilities. The more dissimilar things being compared are the more faulty the analogy. A navy poster could say the death rate is lower in the Navy than in New York City – only fit young men and women are in the navy and are discharged when they are sick and cities contain many millions of old, young, sick, but the arguement could still be pursuasive to young people.

      This technique uses numbers to deceive. There are many many forms of number manipulation. When a person hears a commercial that states that 4 out of 5 doctors do something or use something such as take out insurance or drink a popular beverage, the intent is often to deceive. The advertisers only have to find 4 doctors who use a product or service and 1 who doesn't. Listeners or viewers are supposed to think that thousands of doctors were asked to respond to a survey.

      July 12, 2010 at 3:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rickster2250

      @Corey. The murder rates you quoted were from the mid-1970s. An early 2000s list is below (disclosure: latest readily available, but lacking Iraq/Afghanistan wars data). Your 30+year outdated list makes me question your knowledge of which countries have zero tolerance gun laws...

      Rank Countries Amount
      # 1 Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people
      # 2 South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people
      # 3 Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people
      # 4 Venezuela: 0.316138 per 1,000 people
      # 5 Russia: 0.201534 per 1,000 people
      # 6 Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people
      # 7 Estonia: 0.107277 per 1,000 people
      # 8 Latvia: 0.10393 per 1,000 people
      # 9 Lithuania: 0.102863 per 1,000 people
      # 10 Belarus: 0.0983495 per 1,000 people

      July 12, 2010 at 3:14 pm | Report abuse |
  5. MH

    Our prayers are with the families and workplace friends. When will we make workplace tolerance / safety training required for all? We should not have to fear that the our jobs could be the last place we see ....

    July 12, 2010 at 2:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Melsea

      I am assuming they are not saying the name of the company until all family has been notified. How tragic, and senseless.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • Gary at SpiritLLC

      MH there is training avialable to employees to help them react to these type of situations and even to help prevent them from occuring...employers are reluctant to pay for it...This is unfortunate!

      July 12, 2010 at 2:27 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Valerie

    This is very sad. I wish people could resolve their conflicts without violence, death and going crazy.

    July 12, 2010 at 2:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Shamil Benyaminov

      this is crazy world with insane people.....

      July 12, 2010 at 2:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • TheSolution

      The world's not filled with "crazy"... it's filled with people down-trodden,frustrated, lacking hope tied to opportuntiy, and bullied by "the system" controlled by unethical lawyers.... A system that conspires to exploit the savings of hard-working people like a flashlight consumes batteries. So, "why all the gun violence?" Simple: THE SHEEPLE have voted the "rats to mind OUR cheeze"... meaning we have promoted vested-interest, self-enriching lawyers to positions of power (judicial and legislative) – and that has brought much sorry upon us.

      The solution: Vote ethical leader, not lawyer legel tech this fall. Send the message "We've had enough of being held hostage." That is my opinion.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:31 pm | Report abuse |
  7. MG Arizona

    No one should be allowed to carry guns in the civilian countries to avoid such incidents, they are growing too many. I am sure all conservatives disagree.

    July 12, 2010 at 2:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      What's a civilian country?

      July 12, 2010 at 2:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • MG Arizona

      Mike – A civilian country is where civilians live, is that so hard to understand?

      July 12, 2010 at 2:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jody

      Yes we do. No matter what laws you place on guns it will not lower viloence. All you do is take away the ability for law abiding citizens to protect themselves. One armed citizen with proper training could have taken this idiot out before he killed 6 innocent people.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • jeff

      the problem is how bad violence and crime would be if it weren't for the right to bear arms. theft would be out of control.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ryan

      You do realize that most crimes are committed by people illegally caring guns...not the other way around

      July 12, 2010 at 2:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Raymond

      I fully disagree with anyone who states that we should not be allowed to own guns. I am in the military, I use guns for work, I have hunted my whole life. Most shooting occer by people who are felons, and are not legal to carry a gun in the first place. So dont punish others for someone elses stupidity.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • MG Arizona

      Carrying gun can seldom protect you, if your enemy is going to shoot at your first your gun is worthless. However if no one is allowed to carry guns or any weapons then the chances are very good you will live longer, but anyway who am I talking to? You are never going to agree never mind.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • NMN

      Can you give me an example of a "non-civilian" country?

      July 12, 2010 at 2:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jody

      If you are properly trained, alert and packing you will have time to kill dirtbag before he/she kills you!

      July 12, 2010 at 2:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Maggie

      I'm trying hard to think of a country that doesn't have civilians....Nope, still don't get it.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ryan

      So then to protect ourselves from would-be attackers we should either be defenseless, or strike first. I would guess most of us who carry a gun carry it for 1 reason only...to hopefully deter a violent act from happening.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nugget

      MG so you would probably also say no one should be allowed to drive a vehicle either because people like to drive drunk and kill others.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • jim

      Yes gun control works well in China, there the insane have to use knives to butcher and hack people to death, after all it is more quiet? For you to even attempt to make a political statement over this is just a sad reflection of societies problems anyway.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nicole

      People kill people, not guns. And what good is banning gun ownership anyway? People wouls still get them illegally, so please stop with the anti gun comments. Oh and by the way, I'm a liberal.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Erik

      Two thoughts:

      “Civilian countries,” what exactly is a “civilian country”… As opposed to a military state…

      Only law enforcement should be allowed to have a gun.. Clearly by making more laws for a person who is already a criminal to follow, will make them follow the new “rules,” because clearly they were already willing to follow the old. Point in case: The only people that would follow such rules are the same ones that are not likely to break the existing rules.

      FYI: I’m not a conservative….

      July 12, 2010 at 2:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nuthouse

      How can you stop people from carrying any weapons? Some one thinks hard enough, anything can be turned into a weapon!!!

      July 12, 2010 at 2:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Drew

      MG Arizona, I still don't understand what you mean by civilian country. I think you might be confusing the terms civilian and civilized. For all the people who advocate gun control, please turn your attention to my home town of Chicago and their little gun control experiment. Guns have been illegal for civilians to have, even locked in their own homes for the last 28 years. The murder rate per-capita was also 3 times higher than New York City last year. Gun control does nothing to stop the violence, because criminals will have guns even if they are made illegal. These people don't care about the laws, which is why they commit crimes. All you are doing is giving them an unarmed population rob, assault and murder. The only things these violent offenders understand is violence, which is why they are less willing to commit crimes when their chosen victim might be armed and able to fight back. If you need another example of a city with strict gun control which still sees more than it's share of violence, look at Washington DC. The fact is, gun control doesn't work, please look at the facts before you jump to a decision. Thanks.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • makeamyday

      @Jody this happened in Albuquerque, everyone I know in Albuquerque has a permit tocarry a firearm concealed. Guess what, it didn't help.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • George H Foster

      As an armed security guard sitting in the reception area of an office that has some concern about a possible visit by a former client, my perspective is that I would not be here if that individual had a high confidence that the emplyees were mostly armed and prepared to stop him in his tracks, should he make an appearence.

      Gun free zones, especially when the arriving active shooter knows that fact along with layout of the location, make this kind of event more likely to happen, and more deadly when it does.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • jibberjabber

      Me thinks you are none too wise MG. Nothing you say makes much sense.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Travis

      If other people had guns she would have thought twice about going on a shooting spree. But since she knew there was no chance of being stopped she continued with her plan.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • OCJeff

      Did you actually mean "civilized" country? Every country has civilians. Even civilized can be interpreted differently. If you mean "respectful of one another", then I agree.
      Everyone has the right to a certain level of respect. How you or I treat others in our daily lives, that respect that others feel towards you or I, is either elevated (gauged by our respectful treatment towards them) or lowered (how we disrespect them).

      I was recently laid off from my job. I knew that my manager felt real bad, because she was forced to "select" several of us to lay off as a cost-saving (salary saving) directive from upper management. She treated us with respect, was civil in our individual meetings with HR, and was upset over losing us.

      We don't know the details yet as to why this work place shooting occurred, but it sounds like the shooter had a personal issue with one, or more of her ex-colleagues. It's unfortunate that innocent people lost their lives because she couldn't find an alternate outlet for her anger.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • hindqtr

      It's really sad that there are so many uneducated folks out there that want to express their rediculous opinions on gun ownership... I find in these comments that are here today that several of you just don't have a clue what's happening around you.... where is you level of awareness? I'm with Raymond and I took it upon myself to LEARN how to protect myself and my family against crazy, screwed up in the head people who commit such ruthless acts like this. I'm not going to let them get in the first shot if I can help it.... I will already be aware of the threat before it comes to the point of deadly force... MG will probably never catch onto this and would rather cower down and beg for mercy and hope the threat goes away.... NOT ... this is what criminals want you to do... We are all going to die some day but if I have to go like this, you can bet your backside, I will never go down without showing that whack-o that I have a backbone and plan to use it! I am an American and I will fight for my (and your) freedom! When seconds count, the law is only minutes away... I'll let them clean up the mess !!! !!! !!!

      July 12, 2010 at 2:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • LookBothWays

      @ Drew "The murder rate per-capita (in Chicago, with a gun ban) was also 3 times higher than New York City last year."

      The real numbers look something like this: The top 10 per-capita murder/manslaughter cities are: New Orleans, St Louis, Detriot, Baltimore, DC, Oakland, Kansas City, Newark, Cleveland and Pittsburgh. Chicago ranks 14, behind Philadelphia, Memphis, Cincinnati and Atlanta. Only DC has (had) a gun ban.

      Please tell us how, in cities where you can legaly own a gun, it has made any difference at all? Hows that working out for ya there Drew?

      The FBI 2008 crime stats are available here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

      July 12, 2010 at 2:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • NC&Carrying

      +1 on being able to carry LEGALLY. Criminals will always be able to find a way to be criminal no matter what you do. True the shooter might have shot you 1st, but if he didnt you could at least shoot back before he/she realizes you're packing and you deserve the right to defend yourself to ensure your survival.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:56 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Tommy

    Crazy...will it ever end...if you must, shoot yourself not others who are not involved

    July 12, 2010 at 2:03 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Voice of Reason

    Senseless situation again. If Americans were taought to use their brains, less emotionally charged responses to social situations would occur. RIP.

    July 12, 2010 at 2:04 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Reality

    Humanity is overrated.

    July 12, 2010 at 2:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Shawn

      I agree; you should off yourself right now and set an example.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • hindqtr

      Good one Shawn.... ROFLMAO

      July 12, 2010 at 2:50 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Linda

    What is wrong with people these days? Somebody gets their feelings hurt, is jilted by a lover, or is bullied by somebody and right away they grab a gun and start shooting. Sounds like more people need to pull up their big girl panties and deal with life!

    July 12, 2010 at 2:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • OCJeff

      WOOT!!! What she said!!!

      July 12, 2010 at 2:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • hindqtr

      That's right Linda... it's like Bill Cosby said to his kids when they holler "That's not fair!" Life is not fair, get over it, accept it, grow up and get on with it. Stomping your feet and getting overly angry just makes it worse. And somebody's probably going to pay.

      July 12, 2010 at 2:59 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Robert

    @ MH – have a look at bill 168 in Ontario Canada, a new law that raises awareness of violence in the workplace and places the onus on employers to react and report behaviours. Still a sad waste...

    July 12, 2010 at 2:06 pm | Report abuse |


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  14. mharris

    Oh yeah, guns just like cars
    With "people" behind them.
    Weapon of choice made by people who make such choices.

    July 12, 2010 at 2:06 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Joshua Ludd

    Same old story.

    July 12, 2010 at 2:07 pm | Report abuse |
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