July 26th, 2010
12:03 PM ET

What leaked documents are telling us about Afghan war

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange talks to Larry King about the 90,000 documents his site recently made public reportedly detailing U.S. war efforts in Afghanistan.  Don’t miss 'Larry King Live' at 9 p.m. ET Monday on CNN.

[Update: 21:25] Ellsberg: 92,000 documents won't convey reason for Afghan War

The U.S. war in Afghanistan has been drawing comparisons to the Vietnam War for many years, and WikiLeaks' publication of more than 90,000 government documents about the war in Afghanistan will give more credence to that comparison. Daniel Ellsberg, the whistleblower responsible for leaking the U.S. government's top-secret study on the Vietnam War in 1971, says that like the Pentagon Papers, these documents will not justify the ongoing war.

"I think what the Pentagon Papers showed with 7,000 pages was that there was a lack of any good reason for doing what we were doing," Ellsberg told CNN. "My strong expectation is these 92,000 pages will not convey any good reason for the dying and killing and the enormous money we're spending over there in a time we cannot afford it."

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[Update: 20:27] WikiLeaks shines spotlight on mysterious Task Force 373

U.S. military documents released by WikiLeaks show that a U.S. Special Forces unit in Afghanistan assigned to hunt down terrorists also was responsible for the deaths of civilians, Afghan police officers and, in one particularly bloody raid, seven children while they attended school.

The unit is called Task Force 373. It’s assigned to kill so-called “high value” targets or detain them without trial, often in night operations. The 373 follows a hit list of sorts, according to The New York Times and The Guardian newspaper in England.

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[Update: 19:35] WikiLeaks documents show successes and failures of Afghan police and army

Training of and handing over security responsibilities to the Afghan police and military forces has been a central component of Afghanistan strategy during the last two administrations. Among the tens of thousands of documents published by WikiLeaks are a series of reports on the Afghan National Army and the Afghan National Police. The reports chronicle successes and failures of both agencies from 2004-2009.  Although both agencies have had failures, a preliminary review of the documents suggests that the ANP has more problems than the ANA.

Bruce Riedel, a senior fellow at the Saban Center for Middle East Policy in Washington DC, says that the mixed bag of results in the reports are apparent when reading raw military reporting and traffic. "If you had taken 90,000 documents from the Allied forces that invaded Normandy in 1944 until they reached V-E Day in 1945, you probably would have found the same kind of success stories and failures mixed together," Riedel told CNN.

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[Original post] Whistleblower website WikiLeaks has published what it says are about 76,000 United States military and diplomatic reports about Afghanistan filed between 2004 and January of this year.

The firsthand accounts are the military's own raw data on the war, including numbers killed, casualties, threat reports and the like, according to Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks.org, which published the material Sunday. On Monday Assange said the leaked reports from Afghanistan appear to contain "evidence of war crimes."

"This material does not leave anyone smelling like roses, especially the Taliban," he said, also implying that some U.S. troops had behaved improperly.

CNN has not independently confirmed the authenticity of the documents. The Department of Defense will not comment on them until the Pentagon has had a chance to look at them, a Defense official told CNN.

White House National Security Adviser Gen. James Jones, who was among those offering reaction to the large document document, issued a statement Sunday calling the documents' release "irresponsible."

"The United States strongly condemns the disclosure of classified information by individuals and organizations which could put the lives of
Americans and our partners at risk and threaten our national security," the statement said.

There's a whole lot of information in the documents and we're digging through them with you to get a sense of what's in them, what new information we're learning about the war in Afghanistan, and what the big takeaways are that you need to know about.

What are we learning from the documents?

WikiLeaks released the documents to The Guardian, The New York Times and Der Spiegel before any other media outlets, and they had a chance to look ahead of time. Each news organization concentrated on different angles, but here are some highlights:

THE GUARDIAN

The Guardian put together an interactive map using data from the WikiLeaks documents to show and detail what it deemed were several significant events from the logs for users to examine in greater detail.

The paper also dug into many other issues the WikiLeaks material offered information about including:

On Osama Bin Laden: The Guardian examined documents that allegedly link bin Laden to several incidents between 2004 and 2009.

Examples:
- Osama Bin Laden reported to have issued orders to suicide bombers in Afghanistan
- Afghanistan war logs: Bin Laden instigates suicide attack against Afghan President Hamid Karzai, according to U.S. report

On civilian casualties: Many of the documents deal with civilian casualties, whether from air strikes, at roadblocks or in other circumstances.

Example:
-Special forces wound two, kill six, including young girl, plus donkey and chickens

On Pakistan ties: Several documents that The Guardian highlights indicate the fingerprints of Pakistan's ISI spy agency on some Taliban activity.

Example:
-Pakistan's spies accused of arming Taliban ally with motorbikes for suicide attacks

THE NEW YORK TIMES

The Times redacted material it felt would reveal suspects' identities, to protect “people in danger,” or that would “reveal key tactical military capabilities.” The Times links to an explanation of its redactions.

On Pakistan: The Times reports on documents that show Pakistan allows representatives of its secret service to meet directly with members of the Taliban in strategy meetings to organize militants to fight against Americans in Afghanistan. Plots to assassinate Afghan leaders have been discussed in these meetings, according to the documents.

Example:
- Pakistan Aids insurgency in Afghanistan, reports assert

On how the war is going: The Times reports a "ground-level picture of the war in Afghanistan that is in many respects more grim than the official portrayals."

Example:
- View is bleaker than official portrayal of war in Afghanistan

On fighting the insurgency: The Times tells the story of U.S. Outpost Combat Keating, opened in 2006 in the Kamdesh district of Nuristan Province to fight the insurgency. The Times reports that leaked documents show three years of frustration within the outpost including low troop levels, unreliable Afghan partners, and an insurgency that has “grown in skill, determination and its ability to menace.”

Example:
- Strategic plans spawned bitter end for lonely outpost

On tactics insurgents use to attack: The leaked reports repeatedly describe differing tactics insurgents used against U.S. and NATO troops during the war

Example:
- Insurgents seen wearing government uniforms, and other times when they have roamed the country or appeared for a fight in the same Ford Ranger pickup trucks that the United States had provided the Afghan Army and police force. The trucks are described in this Nov. 2006 document.

- The Times also reports that the Taliban have used portable heat-seeking missiles against allied aircraft, a fact that has not been publicly disclosed by the military. This type of weapon helped the Afghan mujahedeen defeat the Soviet occupation in the 1980s.

On U.S. military resources: Referring to vehicles used by Americans, the New York Times reports, “For months the reports show how a third — or even a half — of the team’s vehicles were out of service, awaiting spare parts.”

On trust between U.S. and Afghan officials: In September 2007 in Paktia Province, a U.S. Civil Affairs report details a meeting that it had with unhappy Afghan district officials.

Example:
- According to the New York Times, the Afghans began a tirade, telling the Americans: “The people of Afghanistan keep loosing their trust in the government because of the high amount of corrupted government officials,” the report quoted the Afghans as saying. “The general view of the Afghans is that the current government is worst than the Taliban.”

On the "corruption" and "cultural misunderstandings” during war: The New York Times reports some of the documents show “an array of problems" occurring in Afghanistan during the war and small misunderstandings or victories that turned out to be failures.

Example: The truth about an orphanage
- The Times links to three documents about a locally funded orphanage that opened in Patkia province of Afghanistan in which the local director was given a leather jacket. The first document, dated Nov 2006, shows an American civil affairs officer enthusiastic about the orphanage’s opening. A few months later, a document describing an inspection reveals that only 30 orphans are at the center when there is supposed to be more 100. The third document, more than a year later, reveals that there are no orphans in the orphanage.

DER SPIEGEL

On German military problems: Spiegel looks at documents that allegedly illustrate little progress by the German troops in northern Afghanistan.

Example:
- Situation is far worse than the German government reports

On targeted assassinations: Several documents involve alleged targeted killings by the secretive U.S. Task Force 373.

Example:
- U.S. elite unit could create political fallout for Berlin

So just who is WikiLeaks and exactly what did they publish?

WikiLeaks publishes and comments on leaked materials that allege government and corporate misconduct.

The nonprofit site is run by a loose band of tech-savvy volunteers and has quickly become one of the Web's go-to locations.

Assange declined to tell CNN where he got the documents. He claims the documents reveal the "squalor" of war, uncovering how many relatively small incidents have added up to huge numbers of dead civilians.

This month, Assange, who is rarely seen in public, told a TED conference that Wikileaks thoroughly vets materials on the site. Watch his TED talk

The significance of the documents, Assange told CNN, lies in "all of these people being killed in the small events that we haven't heard about that numerically eclipse the big casualty events. It's the boy killed by a shell that missed a target."

However, the team at the website WikiLeaks has itself read only 1,000 to 2,000 of the documents, Assange said Monday.

soundoff (595 Responses)
  1. Chris

    http://wardiary.wikileaks.org

    July 26, 2010 at 10:38 am | Report abuse |
    • Toni

      "Should every Australian have to serve in the US Military so he can truly serve his country?" You can't be serious. This is wrong on all fronts. The Afghan problem didn't happen overnight. It won't be solved by Wikileakes.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:06 am | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      Larry, that letter wasn't to a national British newspaper. In fact, in the text of the letter it says you should email to your friends and hit delete if you don't like it. As such, it has to have been an email. It's also a really stupid letter either way. You cannot kill all of the terrorists. Killing a terrorist usually just helps make *new* terrorists. The only way you defeat terrorism is by removing their source of support by turning the local population against them. You only do that by treating the population better than the terrorists do. That means, in part, respecting their customs and beliefs without imposing your own on them.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:06 am | Report abuse |
    • Sean

      Larry; grouping all Muslims together and saying "they" is about as logical as grouping all Christians together for any given purpose. Or do you associate with the highly religious KKK?

      July 26, 2010 at 11:10 am | Report abuse |
    • seth

      very funny.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:21 am | Report abuse |
    • MIke, Dallas, TX

      to @Chris.... You're wrong! The woman submitted her letter to the newspaper via email so yes, it would state, "If you don't agree with my letter then hit the delete button; if you do, forward it on.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:24 am | Report abuse |
    • Elijah

      Osama bin Laden died in 2001 according to many sources so stop bringing him up.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:25 am | Report abuse |
    • timd

      I agree with all of them except Jesus.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:25 am | Report abuse |
    • seth

      What about all the other christian soldiers? from other countries? france, germany,italy spain and many more? Idiot. oh yeah jesus died for me, for my sins, so i can go around and do some mischief becuase jesus will save me from hell. I cant believe a story from 2000 years ago still fools people. Get real people open your eyes.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:27 am | Report abuse |
    • Al

      Really? This letter was written by an uneducated lady that has no class. Does she realize the Middle East has large number of Christians? And Muslims do believe in Jesus, he's one of the prophets. There are terrorists all over the world even here in the US that are not Muslims. Too many people look at the Media and believe every word they say and the media makes people believe that Muslims are all terrorists. People need to get a little more educated, a degree doesn't mean you're educated anymore because anyone can cruise through school and get a degree but won't really know much.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:27 am | Report abuse |
    • Mir

      The letter is so naive. Her very first sentence makes your realize that she's never left home. "They brought war to our shores..." Nope, they did not, my lady. 9/11 was not the start of the war. The war has been going on their lands for decades; your government has been playing and fueling that war ever since instead of trying to stop it. So the war grew bigger... and bigger... till it reached your shores.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:33 am | Report abuse |
    • VB

      @Larry Valecia. It indeed is a thought provoking letter. Just one thing that I would like to correct. I think she meant to say "Jannat" and not "Nirvana." Nirvana is related to the Hindu religion. Muslim suicide bombers are told that they will go to "Jannat" which means paradise.
      Also, just as the American soldiers are dying in Afghanistan, the Indian soldiers have been dying for so many years protecting their country from the terrorists trained by Pakistan ISI. India has repeatedly told the world that Pakistan is a safe haven for terrorists. But still Hillary Clinton gave $500 million to Pakistan to fight against terrorism. Pakistan uses this money to train terrorists against countires like India, Afghanistan, US and UK. Instead of giving this money to Pakistan, US can work with India and erradicate terrorism from Pakistan.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:33 am | Report abuse |
    • Lee

      Thank the hawks for a non winnable perpetual war that suposedly is keeping us "safe". We should fire everyone involved. Consider that we will have spent a couple trillion, essentially to stop Al Qaeda and catch binLaden. So we have a multi-trillion dollar failure at this point as several years later we are no closer to catching the true threat to the country and are now embroiled in 2 civil wars we really have no business to be in. I say to McCain and the other hawks,sure lets stay the course and catch bin Laden. But let's fire everyone who has had a part in spending trillions with NOTHING to show for it years later. Clean house and start again.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:43 am | Report abuse |
    • Joe

      If only you had leaked info about an upcoming apple product then the authorities would break down your door and take your computer and release the name of your source to the public. But you have only leaked classified military docs so no big deal.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:48 am | Report abuse |
    • VET

      Leak on.Talk about war crimes.Spend your life saying bad things about the young men & women serving thas nation in harms way.I'm sure they wouldn't want you picking up a weapon & standing beside them because of the way you think or act.Its WAR.Bad things happen in WAR.You think its hard for you to live with what goes on?Try filling their boots.Try coming home from a place like that & being normal,fit in,or function like a civilian is "supposed"to.Read a history book.This is way past Bush,or Hussein(obama).

      July 26, 2010 at 11:55 am | Report abuse |
    • Lee Oates

      Two things: First, the story from the lady sounds like a CIA disinformation plant, and I support wickileaks totally. It is one of the few sources that actually provides real information for the public. It is a true example of free speach being used in a truthfull way. Governments lie and manipulate constantly and you can rarely trust the media or commentator's here. Take it all with a grain of salt.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:56 am | Report abuse |
    • bailoutsos

      Saudi Arabia and former USSR conspired against America in the early 80's to limit oil production. But America still lost lives protecting the Saudi's oil fields in future battles.

      July 26, 2010 at 12:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • NLittle

      Wow. All in the name of the "freedom of information" retoric? While the intentions of this site may have been good, do they really think that they are "doing" good? I would hate to think where all of our "freedoms" would be if these idiots had been around during the 1st and 2nd world wars. (yes I realize that the information highway wasn't quite what it is today) I think a strong dose of reality check might be in order here.

      I also think that media should have said "Sorry, not going to touch that one". Who is really being served here anyway?

      My 2 cents.

      July 26, 2010 at 12:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jim

      Is the U.S. censoring wikileaks.org? I tried getting on the website but it won't load. Every other website loads fine except wikileaks.

      July 26, 2010 at 12:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Gee

      Doesn't this confirm what we all knew anyway? We are screwing everyone else including ourselves. What's new, it's the American way!!

      July 26, 2010 at 12:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Harold Trainer, USAF RET

      Whistleblowers shed light on the ugliness of Obama's war and the mistakes that are being made. Obama is in the fog of war and they are covering the truth with classification of information that needs to be available. The militry condones and supports the lies by classifying the truth. The wars need to end now and we need to leave and save our troops and save our money for investment at home.

      July 26, 2010 at 12:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Cole

      Everyone above me is a forest troll. TROLLS LOL

      July 26, 2010 at 12:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • OKRight

      YeeeeHaaaaawwwwww

      July 26, 2010 at 12:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Matt

      @Harold Trainer, USAF RET

      Obama's War??? Are you serious? Did the war start in 2009 when he was inaugurated? Next you will be saying he is responsible for the bailout of the banks, which was passed in 2008.

      "Whistleblowers shed light on the ugliness of Obama's war and the mistakes that are being made. Obama is in the fog of war and they are covering the truth with classification of information that needs to be available. The militry condones and supports the lies by classifying the truth. The wars need to end now and we need to leave and save our troops and save our money for investment at home."

      July 26, 2010 at 12:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • VeT

      Gee Harold .. OB's war but not Bush's huh .. U are sure pretty damn intelligent man .. Its all about the conduct thats what wiki is all about.. If you act like T's then dont u think u r the same in the eyes of Afghans????

      July 26, 2010 at 12:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Austin

      I really enjoy how the media thinks they know best in terms of what to do with our national security and classified information. Of course the war is worse than what we are told. Of course civilians die that are not reported about. Of course soldiers conduct is not always above approach. I love how the people who publish and dissect this stuff want the blanket of freedom that our troops and Department of Defense and Presidential administration provide but then they turn right around and burn them and place the potential of more people dying just to improve their own ratings. Wars are not pretty and they never have been. Civilians have never been fully in the know about what happens in a war. Difficult decisions are made everyday about what to do and what to say and when and how to say them. To scrutinize the imperfections of this group of people but to overlook the imperfections of the media outlet is both irresponsible and hypocritical. Grow up folks.

      July 26, 2010 at 1:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      We are at war and the people responsible for this information getting out should be treated as war criminals and charged with treason. Regardless of who looks good or bad in the report it put our soldiers and many of my family members in danger. This should be treated the same as a stolen car, whether your the driver, the passenger, or the buyer of stolen goods you are committing crimes. The whole country has gone nuts if they think it is their right to know this information right now. This is a disgusting day in American history.

      July 26, 2010 at 1:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jon

      Yes, Obama's war..... I thought he was all about transparency, if so why did these docs tell us something he hasn't......

      July 26, 2010 at 2:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rav

      There are no easy answers in Afghanistan. Yet as a nation the only people who are sacrificing are the soldiers and their familieis. The nation is short soldiers and the back to back rotations are killing the armed services. Simply, who has the political will to do the obvious which is to reestablish the Draft or pack up, go home and wait for the next terror attack. You want your freedom in this country, but what are you willing to sacifice for it? It is easy to put ribbons around trees, bumper-stickers on cars and wear pins, but what if you daughter or son had to serve because your country needed them? . No deferments for education (Like Cheney received) and don't stick you kid in the National Guard or Reserves because these soldiers are going faster than the active ones.

      July 26, 2010 at 2:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Stunned in Phoenix

      The people who are responsible for leaking this sensitive information should be dealt with swiftly and publicly.

      Did you think for a minute there were not groups aimed at taking out key targets in this war or any other? This is a war! If the person responsible is American. ( or was) Treason charges accompanied by death should be the answer. Putting our troops at risk for some 3rd class website that is only able to operate because of our troops is unforgivable.

      Stunned

      July 26, 2010 at 2:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike from Vancouver BC

      Elijah

      "Osama bin Laden died in 2001 according to many sources so stop bringing him up." Are these the same sources that said The Bush admin planted bombs in the World Trade Center? No? Then exactly who are these sources that you are believing? Osama bin Laden would love for the world to believe he's dead and have us stop bringing him up. Sorry but that's not going to happen until he's found dead.

      July 26, 2010 at 3:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • jt

      bin laden is a coward , bin may you rot in hell for wht you have done to inosent people . be a real man and fight face to face intsead of hinding in a cave like a little scarred school girl .

      July 26, 2010 at 3:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • jt

      bin laden is a coward , bin may you rot in hell for wht you have done to innocent people . be a real man and fight face to face intsead of hinding in a cave like a little scarred school girl .

      July 26, 2010 at 3:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Evan

      I just want to ask everyone for the war; how can you ultimately see this war ending? Can you see afghanistan full of blockbuster videos and a star-bucks on every corner? Or can you see Afghanistan for what it ultimately is; a peasant country full of arab squatters sitting in the desert. There can be no victory in Afghanistan; as long as the mountains surround the harsh desert; as long as the poppies bloom in the sun; there will be no American vision for Afghanistan; it is a fantasy. The neo-cons want to sit in fantasy land; talk about ending a just war; creating a vision. We have done nothing for them; and little for ourselves, time to leave. If you want to talk about enemies talk about the Saudis. These people having nothing to lose and little to gain; victory is an enigma.

      July 26, 2010 at 4:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • AJ

      @NLittle. If Saudi stops the oil for U.S. then we would be paying $8/Gallon. We fought to protect their oil wells for our own interest. We american mean only business. We are in Afghanistan not for terrorist but for copper and lithium. Hope we start digging soon to make money we invested in war.

      July 26, 2010 at 4:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      This is art in it's purest form. The intersection of truth, justice, and technology. I understand the difficulties involved for the poor soldiers trying to carry out orders and never knowing who is friend or foe but these things must be revealed and magnified rather than glossed over and justified. There are innocents dieing and it is the reality of this misguided war. What's it for?

      July 26, 2010 at 4:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • charles

      Afghanistan(Islamic Republic), largest export opium, is a mixed-up mess of tribes, mainly pashtuns, who are racially classified as caucasions, mediterranean race with nordic mixture, believe it or not,wow. The ousted Taliban, students in Arabic, are trying to conduct an insurgency, jihad, an islamic term meaning struggle, a religuous duty of muslims, against the infidel American invaders I guess because we are making them look bad and might stop the flow of money from herion sales.

      July 26, 2010 at 4:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • The American Lie

      I could care less about these leaks. I was Active Duty in the Army as a U.S. medic, big whoopee. Illegal minorities have more rights in this country then law abiding US Citizens. They condone parades for breaking the law and everyday our rights are being taken away. Big Corporations nickel and dime us to death, a consuming fat arrogrant country with declining morals and values. 47% of the people in this country don't pay taxes, we award sloth, laziness and mothers that can't close their legs with more money. The divorce rate is through the roof, everyone is screwing over everyone and lets be honest aside from your family, yourself and a higher power nobody cares about you.

      We the American people work our butt off to pay taxes to fund billions of dollars to Pakistan, a country that is a safe haven terroriists and knowingly plot with terrorists to kill our sons and daughters. I'm totally disgusted with our government, the media which shows absolutelty zero regard for American lives. We should just close our borders now..kick out all illegals, pull troops from all countries..yeah it's rash but our country is going in the toilet we are 11 trillion in debt, natural resources are declining, water is polluted, traffic grows in almost every major city, education is deteriorating but hey we got American Idol..wth

      July 26, 2010 at 4:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Clarity

      This is sad, Imagine you were in these peoples shoes, dealing with this for over 9 Years. The reason America went to Afghanistan was to find the people who plotted 9/11 and hold them accountable... why did it change directions and why are Americans still there after 9 years.

      Canada supported this, but we did not head to Iraq, and I'm thankful Canadians don't have that on our conscience, one countries suffering good enough. One thing to protect yourself, another to put innocents in harms way under false pretense

      July 26, 2010 at 5:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Morgan

      Pakistan is doing a very good business. Invest few million dollars in terrorism and get billions (US AID) in return. And US can't verify how Pakistan spends its dollars. Whether it provides ammunition to the Taliban or wage a low intensity but highly effective insurgency in Afghanistan or supply terrorists to India, there is no way US can determine where its aid is going. And Pakistan knows it. Now they have doubled their effort by calling themselves as US-Ally in war!! We should listen to India more carefully. Their govt has been saying all along that US aid to Pakistan is being utilized for terrorism.

      July 26, 2010 at 5:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • sarah

      So whats new about any of this news?????????????

      July 26, 2010 at 5:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      This is very irresponsible of the media to disclose such classified information on the internet. Just because the Media has the outlet does not mean such information should be published.
      Does it occur to the Media that there are lives of soldiers and their families at stake? Not to mention, the lives of the Citizenry!! This is a very cruel joke for the people who're committed to protecting National Interests.
      Who is responsible if something were to happen to our members of armed forces because of such leaks?
      The Government should get to the bottom of the leak and ensure such thing does not happen again.

      July 26, 2010 at 6:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Derryck

      Look guys, most of you are thinking that this is a huge deal. no! either it was planned by the governement to leak these files, They are governtment files, or even if it wasnt planned and all these files are true! FINALLY THE TRUTH!! Im tired of being lied to. Finally someone comes out and risks there life for this.

      July 26, 2010 at 7:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • 35F

      "Loose lips sink ships." A simple phrase that was coined in the WWI – WWII era and still rings true today. Information just has different value when it's in the hands of the enemy of today. Leaking sensitive information during WWII could result in a devestating ambush. The leak of information today sometimes undermines our ability to utilize our full technological advantage against our asymmetric enemy; usually, however it's just used as fuel for the terrorists propaganda machine. It's easy to base your attacks on anti-american sentiment when it's being force fed to the public. The most unfortunate aspect of The Great US smear campaign is it's headquarters is in the US. We do more damage to ourselves when we fail to stand united then the insurgency could ever cause. We're Americans first.

      July 26, 2010 at 7:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bill

      I say that it's about time that someone exposed the truth about what is going on overseas. But let's take into consideration that with any war there is going to be alot of fingerpointing and name calling. Although civilian deaths are unfortunate they are what you call "collateral damage" in the grand scheme of things.

      July 27, 2010 at 4:30 am | Report abuse |
    • G.S.Hadley

      I watched the chopper video concerning the reporters and the people they were with and I have to say while it has been 40 years since I shot anyone from a gunship, even us old timers could tell the difference between a camera and an rpg or an AK............I was deeply saddened by the callous and vicious nature of the entire incident...........particularly the murder of the people who came out to pick up the wounded...........clearly even if they could not tell the first group was unarmed........their is no question that the samaritans in the van were unarmed and they should have been able to identify the children as well.............they were clearly not under fire themselves and had plenty of time to verify their targets as non-hostile..............all in all, I am shocked and ashamed at the actions of the gunship crew.

      July 27, 2010 at 7:07 am | Report abuse |
    • Abhay

      @VB . yeah yeah India is a saint . sending Tamils to Srilanka, Funding BLO in Pakistan, Sending terrorists to Nepal, killing its own people in Assam, Bengal, Punjab and Gujrat. And yet Indians pretend to be a peaceful nation who has nothing to do with all the restlessness in South Asia. Everybody but them believe India to be at the center of it all.

      July 27, 2010 at 8:01 am | Report abuse |
  2. Eric P

    I love WikiLeaks.

    July 26, 2010 at 10:46 am | Report abuse |
    • curious steve

      so do the people of the world.

      July 26, 2010 at 10:52 am | Report abuse |
    • Patty

      Eric, you love it? American lives at risk and that is your comment? You must not have a brother, sister, daughter, son or anyone you care about in the military.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:08 am | Report abuse |
    • John B

      Yes, but it appears the government has the site blocked at the moment, as it is inaccessible.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:10 am | Report abuse |
    • Bowerbird

      ....and where are you going to live when your country goes down, which it will, because of Mr. Assange and those like him. Time to get your affairs in order...oh...there won't be any affiars or any order then, will there.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:11 am | Report abuse |
    • Joe

      So do I.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:20 am | Report abuse |
    • Josh

      No, John. This isn't some government shutdown of the site. They just can't handle all the new bandwidth demands coming at them. They even stated this in a Twitter update:
      "WikiLeaks is tremendously overloaded. Please use http://bit.ly/9RlJQA
      about 8 hours ago via bitly"

      July 26, 2010 at 11:36 am | Report abuse |
    • Mark

      Eric, Eric, Eric! Now what are you going to do with all this "info"... not a damn thing! Slacker!

      July 26, 2010 at 12:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      @Patty
      I have two brothers and a sister in the Army, one brother is stationed in Korea. I'm also an Air Force vet who was in during 9/11. I helped my buddies pack up and leave to go build Baghram in Afghanistan. I was deployed to Saudi Arabia from December 2001 to June 2002, working at the power plant for the Combined Air Operations Center that was coordinating Operation Enduring Freedom. I was also stationed in South Korea for a year, and in 2005 I was deployed to Sather AB, at the Baghdad International Airport in Iraq, working at the power plant there. Over 7 years in the Air Force I was deployed in support of Operation Enduring Freedom, Operation Iraqi Freedom, Korea, Okinawa, and attached to a Combat Communications squadron operating out of Tinker AFB.

      And I love Wikileaks. Everybody who wants a free and better world should love Wikileaks. Everybody who wants to be sure that the US government is correctly using its resources, from soldiers to military equipment to diplomats, all paid for with loads of our tax dollars, should love Wikileaks. If you love truth, you should love Wikileaks.

      July 26, 2010 at 12:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jeff

      I love wikileaks, too. It's funny how people are saying wikileaks is "putting our brave men and women in danger". If you're concerned about their safety, maybe you shouldn't send them into a politically-motivated war that the majority of Americans DON'T want!

      July 26, 2010 at 1:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jon C

      Patty Wrote "Eric, you love it? American lives at risk and that is your comment? You must not have a brother, sister, daughter, son or anyone you care about in the military."

      I honestly had to laugh at this. I love wikileaks because it is helping to END the war, in which case all those brother's, sisters, sons and daughters get to come home sooner.

      You care about your children and siblings in Afghanistan? Then Protest the war, speak out!

      July 26, 2010 at 2:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bubba

      They probably did the right thing here, but if they all get shot for treason that would probably be the right thing as well.

      July 26, 2010 at 3:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rhonda

      Whoever leaked classified sensitive, military information is a traitor to this country and needs to be punished!

      July 26, 2010 at 3:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • manofhonor

      This war strategy is total failure. American govt funding killing of its troops bu giving away money to Pakis ...Shame on you america

      July 26, 2010 at 5:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chuck

      Eric, every country on earth protects its innermost intel secrets. We are no different. Leaks such as these are far more damaging to our national security than what some sensationalist group may feel. In all probability, they leaked them for money and that should be condemned as a crime. Kuddos for our intel community if they are able to scramble and destroy this web site.

      July 26, 2010 at 5:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Paul W

      Then your a trader as well.

      July 26, 2010 at 5:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Pat Den

      If you love the Austrailian that has leaked our classified info run on down to the airport. Austrailia needs you to be there tying up posts with stupid stuff. Maybe Pvt Manning will ask you to attend his execution, you would be his only friend. Our men there face kids wired with explosives,women suicide bombers,IEPs etc. How can they tell who's who?

      July 27, 2010 at 11:37 am | Report abuse |
  3. Joe

    We need to get out of there....NOW! This is quickly turning into my generation's Vietnam.

    July 26, 2010 at 10:47 am | Report abuse |
    • Patrick

      Learn History pulling out was the worst path that we could have taken

      July 26, 2010 at 11:00 am | Report abuse |
    • BobbyL

      @Joe.... what are you talking about we've been in the middle east for over 20 years. WAKE UP. At least Obama targets the real problem. This so called leaked report says that Bin Laden is bad? wow.... what a secret.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:02 am | Report abuse |
    • ROb

      Joe,

      do you even know how many lives were lost in Vietnam? Did Vietnam ever attack the U.S.? Where you even alive when Vietnam occured? I am going to go ahead an answer for you and your very ignorant comparison and say NO! This war is being fought by volunteers who care about what happened on 9/11 and do not easily forget when thigs get tough and quit. What an idiot!

      July 26, 2010 at 11:32 am | Report abuse |
    • @ ROb

      actually, many of our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan are simply people who wanted the US Gov't to pay for college. Of the others, many were people who simply failed to apply themselves in high school and had few options when they found out you need more than a D avg to get into college. and MOST of our soldiers don't believe in the wars they are being forced to fight...

      July 26, 2010 at 1:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      there were more Americans killed in Vietnam in one day than there has been the entire war in Afghanistan...quit being such a crybaby and be a man. This is not YOUR generations Vietnam...not even close. You and people with your same views are why we can't win this war. If we'd take the gloves off and kill everyone civilians and all we wouldn't be having this conversation. Man up little boy...grow a set of balls.

      July 26, 2010 at 1:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Stunned in Phoenix

      People like you are turning into the people who opposed the war in Vietnam. The two wars differ greatly.

      July 26, 2010 at 2:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jon

      Speaking of history....

      The Taliban were funded and supported by the United States during the Soviet invasion during the 80's when they were known as the Mujahideen, They are doing the EXACT SAME THING NOW, the only difference is that the US is the invader this time, and they are finding their financial backing in Pakistan & Iran. One of which is an 'ally' of the US.

      Sounds like a few of you should brush up on your afghan history before spouting off un-educated opinions.

      July 26, 2010 at 3:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Pat Den

      Oh yes this is the answer! We'll just get out. They won't ever come and attack anything here, they'll just leave us alone. Live in Never-Neverland huh?

      July 27, 2010 at 11:40 am | Report abuse |
  4. jamesnyc

    It is interesting. Assange has basically done something the Government can't do. Call out the Pakistani's for double dealing. This should be interesting...

    July 26, 2010 at 10:50 am | Report abuse |
    • curious steve

      so, what are you gonna do about pakistan, nuke it?

      July 26, 2010 at 10:52 am | Report abuse |
    • mike sterling

      One could only hope

      July 26, 2010 at 11:29 am | Report abuse |
    • jihobbyist_dotcom

      The Taliban will nuke the Pakis faster than you can misspell India.

      July 26, 2010 at 1:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jon

      The Taliban were funded and supported by the United States during the Soviet invasion during the 80's when they were known as the Mujahideen, They are doing the EXACT SAME THING NOW, the only difference is that the US is the invader this time, and they are finding their financial backing in Pakistan & Iran. One of which is an 'ally' of the US.

      While we are on the topic of 'double dealing'

      July 26, 2010 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Toni

    If every American had to truly serve their country by joining the miltary, this would never happen.

    July 26, 2010 at 10:51 am | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      Except that the guy isn't American. He's Australian. Should every Australian have to serve in the US Military so he can truly serve his country?

      July 26, 2010 at 10:53 am | Report abuse |
    • TB

      There are other, arguably better, ways to serve your country besides joining the military.

      July 26, 2010 at 10:59 am | Report abuse |
    • lj99

      Not every American CAN serve and not every American SHOULD serve. You're operating under the assumption that they're all healthy, and of sound mind.

      Also, the cost of putting every American into the military would send this country even further into bankruptcy.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:19 am | Report abuse |
    • Jake

      @TB: I agree with both of you. I personally served in the Military, but I feel like everybody should serve in some capacity. Maybe military, maybe police or teaching or some other form of civil service. Everybody has something different to contribute, but you can understand the diversity of this country so much better when you have served in some capacity.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:25 am | Report abuse |
    • Austrian

      Forced servitude to the state is immoral. This is America and no one person should be forced to do anything by the state, let a lone die for something that is clearly not worth it. In case anyone shoots back that I've never served, I did from 1988 to 2001, both active and reserve.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:53 am | Report abuse |
    • bailoutsos

      ::::lj99 Not every American CAN serve and not every American SHOULD serve. @@@@ Wasn't there a story about 2 weeks ago where a commander said that 25% of those fighting in the current battles are not fit to be in the service?

      July 26, 2010 at 12:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Carl

      So killing people is the only way to truly serve your country? I think that people serving in the Peace Corps, getting active in their community to improve it, working for an important cause, etc. are every bit as much truly serving their country as those shipped off to what has become a pointless war.

      July 26, 2010 at 1:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Eric

      I feel like I serve my country every day I walk into my preschool classroom and work with my students.
      What really gets me is that we are in a war(s) that can't be won, meanwhile I am sending my students off to kindergarten
      in schools so horribly funded that art, music, PE, and yes...even science is long gone in place of a day full of subjects that can be only tested on to get the funding needed to keep the schools open. We're far more worried about test scores, oil, and keeping the Military Industrial Complex happy. War is not investing in a country's future....why do I feel like our children are taking a back seat to impossible wars...because they are. Good thing we are teaching the children to QUESTION and INVESTIGATE before coming to a conclusion on ANYTHING.

      July 26, 2010 at 1:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jon C

      A politically motivated war is not "serving your country". Afghanistan is nothing more than an elaborate play for continued and increased control of the gulf region, just like the Iraq war. 9/11 Was a response to US aggression over the last 50 years in the region, such as implanting leaders in Iran in the 50's, then funding Saddam in the 80's to invade Iran when their implanted, false leader failed. Did you know that all the terrorists who attacked the WTC were from Saudi Arabia? Arguably the most extreme muslim country in the world, also the US's sworn ally due to their willingness to supply oil to the US.

      My God some people here are absolutely clueless regarding history. Did you know Afghanistan is unstable because the US FUNDED THE TERRORISTS during the Soviet/Afghan war? The US is fighting Taliban armed with American Supplied weapons, trained years ago by American programs.

      LEARN YOUR HISTORY before you go blindly supporting a political war founded on lies.

      July 26, 2010 at 2:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • 11c Infantry

      Yup, I agree make everyone serve. I went infantry at 18 years old because that was the only way to give back to my country. Oh and my childhood SUCKED.

      July 26, 2010 at 2:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chad

      "If every American had to truly serve their country by joining the miltary, this would never happen."

      What does that even mean? How would every American being forced to join the military stop "this" (I'm assuming meaning these docs being linked???) from happening? First of all, what is the problem with these things being linked other than it proves to all the blindly patriotic for the sake of being patriotic what has been obvious for the last handful of years? That we can't win this war because there is no clear and cut "ending" (when do we "win"?) and this region has been warring (and winning) for hundreds of years.

      Secondly, very "American" of you to suggest that we should be forced to serve in the military. Doesn't that go against everything that this country is and was founded on? Once again, the tunnel vision and hilarious irony of the Right wing...next thing you know there will be a picture of a Tea Party protester holding a sign that says "Obama is a Socialist, Don't touch my Medicare"...wait, you mean that already happened? Oops...

      July 26, 2010 at 3:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • JAL0319

      The radical element of Islam and some can argue fundamentalists fighting to return Islam, which they believe has been corrupted by Western ideas, based on their interpretations of the Koran. They believe that if they can restore the tenents of the original religion, Islam will regain its past glory of the days of the caliphate. This is why we are attacked as well as other countries around the globe. It is an ideology and not as some claim that the U.S. is actually the cause of the aggression. You can’t reason with or appease a jihadist ideology.

      July 26, 2010 at 3:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Budro US Army (Ret)

      Amen brother, with one change.

      If every one of our "elected officials" had to serve in the military, this would never have happened.

      July 26, 2010 at 4:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • Paul W

      Carl & Jon C, your able to say and feel that way because of the military....your welcome! Hopefully you will be able to speak your mindless for the rest of your lives.

      July 26, 2010 at 5:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Alex

      People don't have to serve to prevent this from happening. People just have to get off their political egos and understand that WAR is not about freedoms. WikiLeaks staff are cowards and deserve to be dropped off in the middle of Iraq with a "I hate Iraq people sign on them". All they want to see is their version of right and fail to understand that world events are not all about good, sacrifices have to be made, good and bad have to be weighed to give the best results. This involves reports that the people may not want to see because they DON"T have the entire picture and will make stupid remarks that will endanger plans, soldiers, and lives of the civilians. To show how much self centered they are, they won't release the source and the read only 1,000 out of the 2,000 the released. Whats more important, saving the lives of 1,000s of troops and revealing a leak that could cause worse damage to lives OR OR.. get a media boost and fame... humm .. who has the moral values screwed up? Talk about concern for people and lives, NOT.

      July 26, 2010 at 6:11 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Mark

    what a LOSER!

    July 26, 2010 at 10:51 am | Report abuse |
    • NoWay no brain

      You do sound like it!

      July 26, 2010 at 3:03 pm | Report abuse |
  7. William Sutherland

    I think Wilk should be accountable for every American soldier that gets killed b/c of this release.... whistle blowing this has nothing to do with whistle blowing... and smells like an anti war activist. !! Time to arrest him for releasing classified information and facilitating information that our enemies can use against us.

    July 26, 2010 at 10:53 am | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      On what charges are you going to arrest and Australian citizen not residing in the United States?

      July 26, 2010 at 10:56 am | Report abuse |
    • TXMike

      Why? Bush administration got us into this war by deceiving you and I. I dont hear you screaming for his imprisonment. Punish the guilty that take the lives, not the ones who expose the lies!!!!

      July 26, 2010 at 11:02 am | Report abuse |
    • Kevin

      Don't arrest him.. Make him disappear.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:15 am | Report abuse |
    • Jake

      There are potentially many things an Austrailian citizen could be charged for, mostly dealing with how this information was obtained. Was it acquired by hacking into U.S. computer systems? Was the information paid for? Extorted?

      July 26, 2010 at 11:18 am | Report abuse |
    • mike sterling

      @TXMike – Exactly how did the Bush administration lie about Afghanistan?

      July 26, 2010 at 11:38 am | Report abuse |
    • RightCoastVa

      TXMike – You're a tool...There was no deception when it came to Afghanistan. That is unless you think 9/11 was an inside job.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:49 am | Report abuse |
    • JAL0319

      TXMIKe, You suffer from Bush Derangement syndrome. Stop driinking the kool aid my friend and vist other sources of information from both the right and left. Bush believed the same intelligence that virtually every member of Congress believed when they voted for the resolution to commence combat operations. Moreover every credible intelligence agency in the free world believed the same information as well. Whether you agree or not, those are the facts!

      July 26, 2010 at 12:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Vinny Kolwauie

      @TXMike: The Bush administration lied by omission – As it neglected Afghanistan and bolstered Iraq, Afghanistan became worse
      @

      July 26, 2010 at 1:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • TXMike

      Yes you are correct, I am a tool. But keep in mind, it takes tools to fix the machine.

      I am forced to make my opinion based on the facts that I see. My point was that we would be less likelty to be in Afganistan if we werent already in Iraq. Besides that, would you fight against guerilla tactic taliban members on the home turf? Doest make much sense, the Russians found that out the hard way.

      I like reading the conspiracy theroies, they make for some interesting stories.

      July 26, 2010 at 1:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jon

      The Taliban were funded and supported by the United States during the Soviet invasion during the 80's when they were known as the Mujahideen, They are doing the EXACT SAME THING NOW, the only difference is that the US is the invader this time, and they are finding their financial backing in Pakistan & Iran. One of which is an 'ally' of the US.

      War on Terrorism? Brush up on your history Willy boy.

      July 26, 2010 at 3:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Cody

      You say wikileaks should be responsible for every death caused by the release of this info. I agree, as long as they also be credited with every life that is saved by the ending of this war, should this help bring about a faster withdrawal. I don't think Afghanistan is the total folly that some do, but it is time to accept that staying is a greater evil than leaving.

      July 26, 2010 at 3:50 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Tiffany

    why isn't this considered treason?

    July 26, 2010 at 10:54 am | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      Because he's not American. Even if he was, it's unlikely it would be considered treasonous. http://wardiary.wikileaks.org has all of the information released. The vast majority of it are nothing more than incident reports. It's low level data that doesn't really say anything about the larger strategy or aims. It's mostly an attempt to show how devastating this war is on the Afghani population.

      July 26, 2010 at 10:55 am | Report abuse |
    • HM

      Because our press is Free.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:35 am | Report abuse |
    • Andrew Messenger

      Since he is not an American, it would not be considered treason, more like an official act of terrorism.

      July 26, 2010 at 1:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • 11c Infantry

      I'd take him out and anyone supporting him given the chance.
      Once the Taliban et al. start staying "Wiki Leaks really fueled our motivation" only then will Wiki Leaks admit "Oh, my bad."

      July 26, 2010 at 2:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chad

      "once the Taliban says that WikiLeaks really fueled our motivation"??

      You are an idiot...a group completely based on fanatical religious beliefs and have been willing to die for the promise of an eternity in heaven for hundreds of years is going to be "fueled by WikiLeaks"? Read a book...

      July 26, 2010 at 3:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Paul W

      I really feel for you Chris, all of these people out for you and I'll bet you spend your day looking out the windows. Don't worry, the Police and the Military are protecting you...your welcome again! Get out of the house, will you?

      July 26, 2010 at 6:08 pm | Report abuse |
  9. harry

    why are we there in the first place? According to NY Times report "minerals" not oil but minerals and lots of it...lithium, one trillion dollars worth and perhaps uranium...

    July 26, 2010 at 10:54 am | Report abuse |
    • mike sterling

      Oh yeah, and they little event that happened on 9/11. But lets just espouse crazy conspiracy theories that make the US seem like a bad country.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:41 am | Report abuse |
    • mike sterling

      that- not they

      July 26, 2010 at 11:41 am | Report abuse |
    • Superman

      That's just stupid, we didn't even know the minerals were there when the war started and there's no way we will ever make back all the money we spent on the war if we get anything at all from minning minerals. It will probably be China and India who will get most of the contracts.

      July 26, 2010 at 1:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • MineralMan

      Are you kidding Superman? Of course we knew the minerals were there. If you research it, you would see that it's proven. Oh yeah, and those opium fields we are guarding? Take off the rose colored glasses already, and wake up. This is the new generation's Vietnam, no doubt about it. We will lose this war unfortunately. By the way, did you know that the CIA created Al Qaida? Look it up, bub. And....Over a million dead Iraqis... for what?

      July 26, 2010 at 5:24 pm | Report abuse |
  10. curious steve

    CNN, no one comes to read your neo-nazi comments, anyway. why bother to censor, LOL?

    July 26, 2010 at 10:54 am | Report abuse |
    • beth

      go back to school. you don't even know what a nazi was. much less what a neonazi is.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:53 am | Report abuse |
  11. harry

    way to go Wikileaks

    July 26, 2010 at 10:55 am | Report abuse |
    • Mark

      wow! you suck! hahaha!

      July 26, 2010 at 12:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Varun

      hahhaahhaha MArk, really its soooo funny

      July 26, 2010 at 6:03 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Dan O

    If the government and military refuse to be accountable and honest with the American people they claim to represent and protect, then someone has to let the world know what's going on. Seems like Wikileaks is not publishing material that could be eminently dangerous, so I don't see a problem. The lies and coverups have got to stop. Maybe our elected officials and military brass that get funded with our tax dollars should start better communicating with its clients: We the people. Then we wouldn't have this problem, and a lot of others.

    July 26, 2010 at 10:55 am | Report abuse |
    • Patrick

      The thing that the reports don't show is the other side of the story. In the video that they showed of the killing of the jurnalist what you don't see is the fact solgers were under fire about half mile away in the same town. The papers don't show the whole story.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:07 am | Report abuse |
    • Highland

      it was considered Classified Information for a reason..... figure it out.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:09 am | Report abuse |
    • Dan O

      If you're going to disregard written reports by military officials, maybe you should learn to spell "soldiers" and "journalist". And you somehow prefer videos of civilians being targeted and murdered?

      I don't see how reports of civilian murder should be classified. It's not classified to the families of the dead. I refuse to let our government and military do whatever they see fit and hide behind "classified" information. The material released by Wikileaks is far less dangerous to our troops than the situation our government has put them in without proper leadership and flow of information. We had 3000+ troops die in this war, with almost nothing to show for it, BEFORE this classified info was published. Now ask yourself who the real traitors are.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:16 am | Report abuse |
    • Brittany

      Should they be held responsible? Yes. However this a WAR, something I think Americans let slip their minds, and War is a brutal hell. Civilains died in the revolutionary war, the civil war, both world wars, vietnam, iraq... the list goes on; this is a part of war. What can we do? Do you believe the average American has the skills and know-how to fight a war without these things happening? No. Wikileaks seems to just be giving anti-war activists an opportunity to use information and twist it into some horrific new ordeal.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:44 am | Report abuse |
    • CsThrouLies

      Right on Dan-o, power to the people!

      July 26, 2010 at 12:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • JAL0319

      Agree. War is ugly and those spouting off in the comfort of their homes and offices can't image what it's like to have the enemy attack from civilian population centers knowing we can't return fire. Then when we do just to save our own lives or those of others, innocent civilians die. I have personally encountered the cowardly insurgents hold a families and other civilians hostage while attacking Coalition Forces that naturally respond to the direct fire to only discover that the insurgents were firing from a building occupied by civilians. Then we get judged by our own countrymen and leftist reporting as baby killers. Shame on you for believing such propaganda

      July 26, 2010 at 12:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan O

      I agree that this is war, and horrible things happen to civilians. However, please explain how civilian deaths in other countries is less horrific than civilian deaths in the U.S., like 9/11. I'm not saying we shouldn't be fighting this war (I think we should), but the accountability on the part of our leaders is zero. We have the right to know what our soldiers are dying for, and how those in charge conduct this war being fought in our name.

      July 26, 2010 at 12:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan O

      Also, let's clarify what propaganda is: classified military reports, or prepared statements by government mouthpieces? If you seriously believe that what was just leaked is propaganda, then what does that say about the validity of the United States military's written communication? Don't shoot the messenger. Everyone's rage should be focused on those inept people that lead our fellow Americans into the line of fire for political reasons, and then lie about it. This IS the truth. If you'd rather believe a press secretary, then go ahead. I'd rather believe actual information from our military.

      July 26, 2010 at 12:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Carlos

      Dan O for President!

      July 26, 2010 at 1:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • JAL0319

      Dan O, sense I actually served in this battle field for two tours and have a brother-in-law on his second tour in Iraq now, I will tell you that this information is out of context and cherry picked for sensationalism. You try being pinned down by fire from an insurgent occupied building. When you get a resonable firing solution to eliminate the threat, you direct fire and when you due assessmnets later, you find they were using an occupied home holding the fa,ily hostage to ensure civilan casulaties. This is our enemy we face, they believe that they can kill indiscrimnately any non blievers and if civilans get killed, it is God's will because they wre killing the infidel. Our current hesitation and pain stakeningly efforts to eliminate civilian casulaties causes many of our troops to get killed by this ruthless and cowardly enemy. So there is the word from a U.S. service member that has been there and done that, now live by your words and take to the bank!

      July 26, 2010 at 2:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jon

      The Taliban were funded and supported by the United States during the Soviet invasion during the 80's when they were known as the Mujahideen, They are doing the EXACT SAME THING NOW, the only difference is that the US is the invader this time, and they are finding their financial backing in Pakistan & Iran. One of which is an 'ally' of the US.

      War on Terrorism? Depends who's side you are on. Looks like some people here need to brush up on their history before spouting off.

      July 26, 2010 at 3:25 pm | Report abuse |
  13. SBM

    are we sure it wasn't ......................................

    July 26, 2010 at 10:56 am | Report abuse |
  14. Brad

    WikiLeaks VS Democracy? WikiLeaks IS democracy... its our right to know this information when its our tax money, family members, and reputation as a country at stake!

    July 26, 2010 at 10:56 am | Report abuse |
    • Jake

      Are your family members at stake? Or are you using a rhetorical 'our'? Most people who have family members at stake don't like this information being published.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:27 am | Report abuse |
    • JAL0319

      Jake, I agree with you. As a someone who has served two tours over there and now have a brother-in-law on his second tour, these types of memos have no context to the arm chair quarterbacks that haven't served in war. This enemy has one purpose, to kill us all because we don't believe like they believe. We are the infidel and non-believers must die! That’s the facts, you can't appease them. As far as civilian casualties, that happens in war. It has happened in every war to date. However, what makes this so different is that the terrorists and their supporters believe they are blessed by God and are not committing sins by using civilians as shields as long as they are fighting the great Satan. I've seen it first hand when they would attack us from civilian areas. When we absolutely had to return fire, civilians were killed. It is not something done lightly but necessary to survive to see our loved ones again as well. If the enemy wasn't such cowardly people, they would fight outside civilian populations. Lets hear the left protest that and not our Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Airmen. Do realize women are stoned without any form of what we know as due process, fair trials, they are killed for seeking education, etc. Witness that and not be somewhat jaded!

      July 26, 2010 at 12:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • TGR

      Their is responsibility in a Democractic society. Yes, first protect freedoms but protect the innocent from harm is a moral obligation. Without morality you have no freedom. Think about it.

      July 26, 2010 at 1:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Anonymous

      @JAL0319: It's shocking to realize that you served in the region and know nothing about who you were exchanging fire with and why they are bearing arms against you. Ironically, you indirectly criticized their hyperbole while in the same breath voicing your own. Just as senseless their claims that the United States is the Great Satan of the world, is your claim that they are firing bullets at you for being a non-believer. Please educate yourself.

      July 26, 2010 at 1:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • JAL0319

      Anonymous, you have no clue. I have studied my enemy well and understand their motivations. You my friend are without a clue to their motivations. Education is not something I lack. I certainly wanted to know their motivations and don’t take any pleasure in the products of war. I am well educated and not ignorant of the reasons they have problems with the west and our way of life. It sounds like you need an education and not just reading some talking points. There is no appeasement of Jihadists but the kumbya crowd will continue down that road until they are the victims to only blame their own vice the radicals and extremesit that have twisted a peacful religion for their own cause.

      July 26, 2010 at 2:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jon C

      JAL0319 My God man read your history. The Taliban were funded and supported by the United States during the Soviet invasion during the 80's when they were known as the Mujahideen, They are doing the EXACT SAME THING NOW, the only difference is that the US is the invader this time, and they are finding their financial backing in Pakistan & Iran. One of which is an 'ally' of the US.

      Clearly you are either very young, very uneducated, or very naive.

      July 26, 2010 at 3:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Anonymous

      @JAL0319: Clearly you don't understand. The idea that they have a problem with "our way of life" is at best a massive understatement and at worst purposeful misleading through careful use of terminology. Do you think Al-Qaeda committed mass murder on September 11th because they don't like rock music and blue jeans? Do you honestly think that the Taliban in Afghanistan were firing bullets at you because you drink Coca-Cola and cast ballots in our representative democracy?

      No. Our way of life that they find issue with lies in how we support oppressive states around the world because they are friendly with our policies, the fact that we build military bases in territory considered holy to many of them, and the fact that we often secure unfair trade relations with regions already suffering from poverty. There is so much that our government does overseas that can be considered unjust, and I'm shocked that you are able to simply their grievances into "they want to kill all non-believers" or "they have a problem with our way of life".

      As I said earlier, you are either very uninformed, or you are intentionally glossing over very serious issues in order to manipulate people. I figured I'd give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you were just ignorant.

      July 26, 2010 at 3:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • JAL0319

      JonC you clearly are misrepresenting history to serve your ideology. Yes we funded the resistance but there is a hude difference between us and the Soviet Envasion. The terrorist attacks of 9/11 originated in Afghanistan.

      Anonymous, I don't buy into your ideology, that doesn't make me ill informed. Just a different perspective and this is mine: The radical element of Islam and some can argue fundamentalists fighting to return Islam, which they believe has been corrupted by Western ideas, based on their interpretations of the Koran. They believe that if they can restore the tenents of the original religion, Islam will regain its past glory of the days of the caliphate. This is why we are attacked as well as other countries around the globe. It is an ideology and not as some claim that the U.S. is actually the cause of the aggression. You can’t reason with or appease a jihadist ideology nor does it seem anyone can reason with your version of the truth.

      JonC and Anonymous, I learned long ago that you can't argue with idiots, as they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. So lets just agree to disagree. You stay partisan, keep seeking only information that reaffirms your beliefs wjile ignore overwhelming facts contrary.

      July 26, 2010 at 4:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • JAL0319

      anonymous for a more detailed and less glossy reply, these are the principal stated aims of al-Qaeda: to drive Americans and American influence out of all Muslim nations, especially Saudi Arabia; destroy Israel; and topple pro-Western dictatorships around the Middle East. Bin Laden has also said that he wishes to unite all Muslims and establish, by force if necessary, an Islamic nation adhering to the rule of the first Caliphs.

      According to bin Laden's 1998 fatwa (religious decree), it is the duty of Muslims around the world to wage holy war on the U.S., American citizens, and Jews. Muslims who do not heed this call are declared apostates (people who have forsaken their faith). Bin Laden originally was mad that U.S. bases were set up during the first Gulf War after the invasion of Kuwait. This is where Bin Laden started and in 1996 bin Laden issued a "Declaration of War" against the U.S.

      We can debate the Palestine issue forever and reach no conclusion but it is all about the Western Influence in the region which is direct conflict with his ideology and that of his followers.

      July 26, 2010 at 5:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Anonymous

      @JAL0319: Truth and perceived truth are very different things. We can disagree on the ultimate reason on why we think extremists take up arms, but it doesn't change the fact that many of their grievances are at the very least legitimate. Take some time to read about what we did in Iran that led up to the hostage crisis. Take some time to read about where we put our bases in Saudi Arabia, what we were doing in Somalia, Afghanistan, and Pakistan prior to the current wars we are fighting. In many instances, our government doesn't even deny wrongdoing. A few of these cases caught us red handed doing what we said we weren't doing. It's no secret that our foreign policy has been very aggressive in the past.

      As an American, it's something that I've had to come to terms with. It's something that our nation does to maintain it's influence. Whether it's right or wrong is opinion. That's what we can have differing perspectives on. However, the facts are what they are. We like being on top, and we're not shy about getting our hands dirty to keep it that way.

      July 26, 2010 at 5:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Talgrath

      @TGR "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin

      The fact of the matter is this information does little, if anything, to put anyone in danger, first and foremost. Even if it did, I would far rather that we, the American people, be in danger than to give up on our most basic of concepts, the idea that a government is accountable to the people. This is the sort of information is exactly the sort of thing that the public should know about, the sort of thing that highlights concerns with our current path in Afghanistan. In particular, noticed the gray dot at the top right of the Guardian's map, it states they had to shoot down an out of control drone; previously we've been told these drones are very safe and accurate, but how often might something like this occur? Are we going about this the right way? The American people need to be able to make an informed decision, and if things like this are covered up, what else might the military be hiding?

      July 26, 2010 at 6:30 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Observer

    The report says that bin Laden is still heavily involved. President Obama is trying to get him and his supporters.

    Here's what the recent Republican administration said about the person who caused 9/11:

    "I don't know where (bin Laden) is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him to be honest with you." "I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him."
    - George W. Bush, President of the United States

    July 26, 2010 at 10:57 am | Report abuse |
    • Enzo

      ...and all Obama ever said was why haven't the Republicans gotten Obama. Well, Obama, why haven't you gotten Bin Laden yet?

      July 26, 2010 at 11:09 am | Report abuse |
    • Jake

      Acknowledging your enemy gives him power. It doesn't mean that he wasn't concerned with Bin Laden. Just that he understands the effects of voicing those concerns to a worldwide audience.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:13 am | Report abuse |
    • Observer

      What a joke! His excuse-makers now claim Bush didn't mean what he said about bin Laden. He was just lying.

      Bush had SEVEN years to get bin Laden and decided he'd rather spearhead a war for false reasons. Then he blamed it on faulty intelligence and gave our top intelligence official the highest award any U.S. citizen can receive outside of the military.

      John McCain promised he knew where bin Laden is and would get him. Apparently that was just an "intentional" lie too.

      July 26, 2010 at 11:40 am | Report abuse |
    • concernedjo

      While you are busy condemning Bush for not getting Osama Bin Laden please remember that Clinton actually had him in his sights several times and did nothing to the threat – http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/Clinton_let_bin_laden.htm. President Obama ran on a campaign of getting our troops out, but when actually faced with real facts and the real issue, not some trumped up liberal BS he had to increase the size of the troops.

      July 26, 2010 at 1:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Superman

      It’s pathetic how liberals like you are still more interested in the blame game than trying to get us out of this mess. Your beloved Obama is quarterback now and I don’t see any of the change he promised, just the same old BS with a lot more money spending.

      July 26, 2010 at 2:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jon

      The Taliban were funded and supported by the United States during the Soviet invasion during the 80's when they were known as the Mujahideen, They are doing the EXACT SAME THING NOW, the only difference is that the US is the invader this time, and they are finding their financial backing in Pakistan & Iran. One of which is an 'ally' of the US.

      War on Terrorism? Depends who's side you are on.

      July 26, 2010 at 3:24 pm | Report abuse |
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