August 18th, 2010
09:20 AM ET

Reports: Site of Islamic Center up in air


Editor's note: New York Gov. David Paterson joins Larry King in his first interview about the Islamic cultural center controversy. "Larry King Live," 9 p.m. ET Wednesday on CNN.

New York Gov. David Paterson may meet with developers who had been pushing to build an Islamic center near ground zero.

Paterson is set to meet with the group this week to offer them state land to construct the controversial mosque at another location, according to CBS 2 and other news outlets.

However, New York 1 is reporting in an exclusive interview with the developer that he has no intention of budging. Sharif el-Gamal imagined what he hoped the center would mean in a story Tuesday. "A landmark, an iconic building that will have people come and visit it from around the world," he said. "This looks like it is going to be the most famous community center in the world."

The Islamic center's leaders say they plan to build the $100 million, 13-story facility called Cordoba House two blocks from the site of the 9/11 attacks. El-Gamal has describe the project as an "Islamic community center" that would include a 500-seat performing arts center, a lecture hall, a swimming pool, a gym, a culinary school, a restaurant and a prayer space for Muslims.

iReport: What's your take on the issue?


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  1. JasonB

    This ridiculous "Ground Zero Mosque" debate is nothing more than a distraction to keep us unaware that we have very real problems in this country. Major ones. Every lawmaker that spends even a second debating this "issue" is wasting valuable time needed to fix a very damaged nation.

    August 18, 2010 at 9:53 am | Report abuse |
    • Beasley

      No, this is symptomatic of reason we have so many problems. All of our so-called "leadership" in this country has become confrontational. They look at what their opponents say, and then say exactly the opposite. All positions are extreme. The proposed location for a mosque near ground zero is confrontational. It is a deliberately-created controversy, and no one can say that the controversy is "coincidental."

      People need to take a step back, take a deep breath and realize that 90% of what needs to be done is common sense that could be worked out if everyone would put their big egos aside. Instead, we have Loony Left and Reactionary Right as the only choices.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:07 am | Report abuse |
    • steve

      Absolutely right, JasonB!

      August 18, 2010 at 10:08 am | Report abuse |
    • yuri pelham

      Agree entirely. This is only the latest in a series if distractions... longer shelf life than balloon boy or Tiger Woods or Gov Sanford. The list is endless.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:11 am | Report abuse |
    • Aaron

      Kathy,
      Don't you realize that this is exactly what America is about? I've served two tours in Iraq, bled for my country, and I still can't understand the critics of this proposed project. It wasn't the Muslim religion that took down our towers, it was a deliberate act of terrorism. When a christian extermist performs and evil act we don't get up in arms and demand that churches not be built... quite the opposite in fact. It hurts me, as it does many who have fought for freedom at some point for this country to see "Americans" denying that freedom to those who have done nothing wrong. I'm sure many will bash me for this post, but as a Christian and a Veteran I await your repsonse with open arms.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:30 am | Report abuse |
    • KarenMc

      I believe we are giving too much press to the Muslim mosque. If it is being built for all the wrong reasons, the Muslim community must be loving our divisive reaction. If it's being built for good reasons, I'm sure those Muslims who are good hard-working Americans are not enjoying the attention. I do think it's foolish for them not to reconsider another location, however; because I believe, for some people in America, this particular mosque will always be an easy target for any anger they're feeling. But please, let's just stop talking about it and let whatever happens, happen.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:31 am | Report abuse |
    • ComSense

      You think America is not America anymore because we are allowing a group of people to build a place of worship for a religion which is not the mainstream, most popular religion? It shocks me that you don't realize how wrong that statement is. Freedom of religion is an extremely American idea.

      And all these people who say that we shouldn't let them because they Saudi Arabia won't let us build churches there... That is because we are a better country, we respect peoples' rights to believe whatever they want. You think we should reduce our values down to the lowest common denominator of the most rigid f-d up countries? Nope. That's not what we stand for.

      If we don't allow them to build a mosque on property that they own then THAT will mean America is no longer America. Read a book.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:40 am | Report abuse |
    • Aaron

      Dan, it seems we you are showing fear by being afraid of a building. There is no "victory" in building a mosque just as there is no victory in building any other religious building. The mosque symbolizes nothing other than a cultural expansion which is justified by the population of muslims living in the area.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:42 am | Report abuse |
    • Matt

      NO, Bill, they aren't refusing to move it because it's would stop being a "victory mosque," and it's hateful of you to assume that these people are out to rub 9/11 in our faces.

      Whether the government creates the tyranny of the majority through law, or whether there is a de facto tyranny of the majority through forceful public opinion, the end result is the same. Forcing them to move their mosque is either going to explicitly or subtly violate their First Amendment rights, and it's wrong either way.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:42 am | Report abuse |
    • Matt

      Actually, John, there's been no evidence of "the man behind this" funneling money to terrorist groups.

      Repeat things enough times, and the public starts believing it, I guess.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:52 am | Report abuse |
    • John

      Actually Matt there is evidence

      August 18, 2010 at 11:04 am | Report abuse |
    • jane

      AMEN, its being made too much of by too many. Jane

      August 18, 2010 at 11:18 am | Report abuse |
    • Debra

      "This looks like it's going to be the most famous community center in the world". REALLY? REALLY? I sort of liked it when the WORLD TRADE CENTER was the icon down town.

      August 18, 2010 at 11:19 am | Report abuse |
    • susie-q

      people should be more peaceful thinkers. one says islam is a peaceful religion, the other says christianity is. but nobody backs off, and rather pressing each other's ideology. if there is any peacefulness, why don't either of side back off to keep it 'peaceful'????

      August 18, 2010 at 11:26 am | Report abuse |
    • mark

      So Paterson is going to offer up state land huh? Nice what happened to separation of church and state? I guess it only applies in the world of political correctness if you are a Christian.

      August 18, 2010 at 11:31 am | Report abuse |
    • Pealer

      Really? Seriously?
      If it is ridiculous, and just a distraction.. why would a mere community center, a dime a dozen facility, be heralded by it's developer as... what was it?,...
      "A landmark, an iconic building that will have people come and visit it from around the world," he said. "This looks like it is going to be the most famous community center in the world."

      Why? Why would it be Soooo popular in the Muslim world? Really? A tourist stop? A landmark? Really? Seriously? Really well thought out! Keep saying those things,... it won't stir up more dust!,. no.

      This gets better and better all the time.

      August 18, 2010 at 11:34 am | Report abuse |
    • Fred

      I think it's "John" in this thread who implies that Christians have never practiced terrorism. I would encourage him to contemplate those pesky Crusades, among other events, and possibly re-consider his position.

      August 18, 2010 at 11:46 am | Report abuse |
    • DAN

      Alright... i can easily look at a big picture and extend my focus to see beyond what is actual.. i have 2 theories on this. 1) we have to put religion and our beliefs aside for just a few moments to comprehend this true reason "Why? of all places in New York why that location?" answer: has anyone thought about from a broad spectrum that this is a victory in their eyes. If nobody has realized this, this is what they do. they set-up little victory flags or ( victory mosques ) all over the world. look at France, Great Britian, Spain, and England etc etc.. the population has shifted quite considerably. 48% of the total population in Europe is Muslim maybe radical Muslims however it doesn't matter. The point is we ( Americans ) are not too far from that happening here in the US.. This is the problem with our politicians they are so focused on pleasing the other half of the population, that they forget about us who are the majority still. They will then use that with them to make us feel like we are the problem..

      2nd theory: through out history and mankinds existence religious teachings as well as other ways of evolution, have hinted or paved the way for mankind to coexist regardless of the differences.. We Americans need to look at this from this perspective, because people do not have a religious freedom like we do; that allows us the ability to pray where,when,why,and How. i totally disagree with the Mosque and Cultural learning center anywhere near Ground Zero. however, i do feel that a reasonable location for their religious rights needs to be addressed very sensitively. Yes i know that sensitivity has not been show to us at all if any.. that really bothers me and the majority of our population in this reall difficult issue. I do believe in this matter there might be some good productive people who are arguing on the muslim side. It is unfortunate that we cannot see this because of the wounds that are so fresh in all our minds and the fact that if the scheduling goes on as planned then the ultimate slap in the face is 9/11/2010 when the mosque is scheduled to open supposedly. if we cannot embrace our fellow people religiously, ethnicly etc etc. how do we expect others to embrace us?

      August 18, 2010 at 11:54 am | Report abuse |
    • Zonker180

      "A landmark, an iconic building that will have people come and visit it from around the world," he said. "This looks like it is going to be the most famous community center in the world."

      Yep until some crazy redneck drives a Mac truck through it.

      August 18, 2010 at 12:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • ProgVet

      I could not agree more! The desperation being demonstrated by those who are against this effort is amazing but not unexpected. Divide and conquer seems the only tactic the right is good at. Sadly, there are many who have failed to think this situation through as we are now (in America) pitting one religion against another. For those of you who claim to be Christians: remember the crusades? Your "brothers" held a lovely holy war against the 'Saracen' who are today identified as Muslim and number 1.5 billion strong, second only to Christians in our not-so peaceful world.

      August 18, 2010 at 12:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • JasonB

      I would like to remind the people responding to this thread that we are not at war with Islam and that Muslims did not attack our nation by sending planes into ground zero. Extremists with very anti-Islamic values were the ones responsible for the 9-11 attacks. Along your line of reasoning, Tim Mcveigh's attack on a federal building in Oklahoma City was the work of all right wing Christians, and not a group of right wing Christian extremists.

      August 18, 2010 at 12:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scott

      Hey jasonB, your comment is so ignorant you don't even qualify to be French.

      August 18, 2010 at 12:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sandi Z.

      Wow – so very well said. I have a vivid recollection of 9-11-01 – I was getting ready for work when I saw the first plane crash – what was that pilot thinking – or what happened to that pilot – did he die at the controls – how do you NOT see a building? I could never in my wildest dreams think of anything so horrific – ever. I recall people falling off the outside of the building because the fire was so intense they were burning and could not hang on........ this is AMERICA – my country that my brothers and uncle fought to keep our freedom – what culture or religion has the right to disrespect the people who died such horrible deaths and the famillies left with that loss – and what the hell is the NY Mayor's problem – hes a disgrace. No Mosque should be built anywhere near that site – it is like a slap in the face – and the thought that they would disrepsect this site, the people and families who still suffer with this – the most outrageous terrorist attack in history – who the hell do these unconsciencable people think they are?

      August 18, 2010 at 12:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Koko

      Aaron, not to put you down or anything of that sort, but honestly speaking you fought mainly for OIL and political dominance. It is OK, do not feel upset, they have been wrapping this fact with all kinds of heroic tales of knights and freedom, but the real truth is not that far away from the surface. Freedom and the common good is the last thing they are thinking of. The proof is look at both Iraq and Afghanistan, both of them have only slid deeper and deeper into violence with no clear way out. If this is how you define freedom, then you should take some English courses. Also if they are so worried about freedom, why don't they do something about numerous dictatorships in Africa, Asia, and SA, but I guess those countries do not have oil.
      Back to the subject at hand, why is it always ok for Muslims to build where they want, while in their countries they ban building new churches and even renovating existing ones? Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, the two countries that we defended their freedom (oil) few decades back, ban the display of a cross on a church. In Saudi Arabia, there are no churches.

      August 18, 2010 at 12:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sailorgirl

      One of the very real problems in this country is that the Muslims are trying to take it over. Look at the demographics. I absolutely think that this Mosque is nothing more than a spit in the face to America and what we stand for. Sharif el-Gamal knows exactly what he is doing. It's called Islamization of America. Open your eyes people . . . .

      August 18, 2010 at 12:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Irwin Gilbert

      Jason B, you are exactly correct. My personal beliefs are very conservative. However, I do not believe that the most important problems facing our country include the location of this Islamic Community Center, whether gay people can marry or whether abortion should be legal. We have a failing economy, failing schools, failing environment, crumbling infratructure, an energy crisis, we are fighting two wars.

      Some people belive we need social security reform there are many millions of Americans dependent on Social Security to live. I'll bet almost none of them care about an Islamic community Center more than two blocks away from ground zero.

      Jason, you should run for office. I would vote for you.

      August 18, 2010 at 12:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • curleymoe

      Why are the the Muslims so adamant about building there? They claim to be a religion of peace and want to be accepted as Americans yet are insisting on following through with a plan that will damage most Americans view of them hence acceptance of them. A very bad PR move at the very least.

      August 18, 2010 at 1:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ka

      This remark from the developer: " its (mosque) going to be the most famous community center in the world." That statement alone should be upsetting enough to every non-Muslim in America. There is no respect for victims of 9-11, as this is not a center of peace but a place of controversy and they know it but still want to push it.

      August 18, 2010 at 1:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Connie

      yep, I agree with you

      August 18, 2010 at 1:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rob

      I agree completely. If our politicians would learn to work with each other instead of obsessing over making the other party look as bad a possible by opposing everything they try to do, perhaps we could make some more progress on the impotant issues in this country...

      August 18, 2010 at 1:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Cody

      Aoron, You deserve the absolute respect for saying the right thing.

      August 18, 2010 at 1:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • opinated

      I disagree with you. Too many people were killed by Muslim terrorists at this location. We have been tolerant in this country by just letting Muslims call America "home." Out of respect to the families directly affected by the horrific and deliberate crashing of airplanes into the World Trade Center and to those of us in this nation who watched our televisions in horror. . . to New Yorkers who lived in fear of another attack. . . the location of this mosque cannot be tolerated.

      August 18, 2010 at 2:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Zach

      @John – It's amazing that your incredible knowledge of Christian acts of violence extends as far back as the advent of the modern airplane. You are quite correct that no group of Christians has ever hijacked a plane and used it as a slow moving missile to take down multiple buildings (that I know of at least). But to say that Christians have never done anything remotely as bad is simply moronic.

      When Christians went on the crusades killing untold numbers is it okay because it happened long enough ago? When "explorers" "discovered" the America's millions upon millions of Native's were killed. But hey, they didn't use airplanes so it wasn't the same right?

      I'm not trying to justify anything here no matter how far back you look but don't be so naive as to think that virtually every religious group has committed atrocious acts against humanity. So how are we justified in picking and choosing who to lambast?

      While the planners of this facility might want to take into consideration the backlash they will receive, they have as much a right as anyone else to build and worship in this country anywhere it is permitted.

      August 18, 2010 at 2:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Robert Montero

      Fine comment.

      August 18, 2010 at 2:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • masse

      This mosque can not be built near Grand Zero. It is not about republican or democrat. It is about moral et ethics. I am african who becaome Us citizen , I have muslim friends bu please this mosque is like an insulte to American People. I consider this like an islamic or muslim invasion. The mosque has to move, period.

      August 18, 2010 at 3:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • allens

      it is legal for them to build it, also insensitive of course, but legal. i think all of these angry and ignorent people protesting the mosque should use their heads instead of behaving like bigots and fools. those politicions should stop spewing their hatred and fear mongering as well. i would like to think they know better.

      August 18, 2010 at 3:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Peanuts

      obama made the statement well aware that its a stupid statement hes masking hes faults at the gulf oil spill and economy. I hear hes a magician by trade and a politician just to pay the bills

      August 18, 2010 at 3:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Melissa

      Oy. Its not the gvt thats raising the problem, its the people. If the gvt had their way, they'd let the idiots build their little mosque and that would be the end of it. But people are having a fit. Grow up.

      August 18, 2010 at 4:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Gary

      JasonB

      You are absolutely correct.These called law makers need distractions from what is really wrong with America! Good post

      August 18, 2010 at 4:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Michael

      I am sure the group is building this center at this location for publicity reasons because it will attract many to come and see it. If they built anywhere else it would not draw people to it like it will now. However, if people had not made such a big deal over this then they would have been denied their publicity. The American people who are outraged are responsible for feeding their center with lots of publicity. Since they are within the law; the longer people get hot about this the more attention they will get and they are still going to get their center.

      August 18, 2010 at 5:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Randy

      You are wrong about lawmakers wasting time here. We should keep them busy on the useless things like this one, so they don't do things to take this country into deep trouble.

      August 18, 2010 at 6:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Randy

      People always try to use freedom of religion rights to defend the Islam center. Just for arguments sake, I feel like execising my freedom of speech rights, I just put up a billboard across from their building, with an anti-muslam message. The same people supporting religious rights, please show the same courage to defend my rights.

      August 18, 2010 at 6:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Muhismad Uisstupid

      MUSLIM BELIEF
      This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well-known leader in prison ministry. The man who walks with God always gets to his destination.. If you have a pulse you have a purpose.
      The Muslim religion is the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States , especially in the minority races!!!
      Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their beliefs.
      I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video..
      After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.
      When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked: 'Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?'
      There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, 'Non-believers!'
      I responded, 'So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can have a place in heaven Is that correct?'
      The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.'
      He sheepishly replied, 'Yes.'
      I then stated, 'Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr.. Stanley ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to guarantee them a place in heaven!'
      The Imam was speechless!
      I continued, 'I also have problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me! Let me ask you a question:
      Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to kill me in order for you to go to heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to heaven and He wants you to be there with me?'
      You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.
      Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the Diversification' training seminar were not happy with Rick's way of dealing with the Islamic Imam , and exposing the truth about the Muslims' beliefs.
      In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. to elect the President! I think everyone in the U.S should be required to read this, but with ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us send it on!
      This is your chance to make a difference...

      August 18, 2010 at 6:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tomás R Vigo

      JasonB, your absolutely right!

      Aaron, it's very sad, there's no more people that thinks like you. I stand by your words, we should not punish muslims just because of what some of them do.

      August 18, 2010 at 6:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Alexis

      @Aaron, I agree with you100%

      August 18, 2010 at 7:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ken

      There is already a mosque near "Ground Zero". It has been there many long years. There's also a Burger King and a strip club. What's the trouble?

      August 18, 2010 at 7:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • euchris

      Ask the good people of France and England what a "nothing issue" Islamization is.

      August 18, 2010 at 8:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Wikkidtwisted

      Agree 99% with your post. Except this isn't a Dem/Rep issue as much as you would like it to be.

      This is sheer emotion when it comes to this issue. Majority non-muslim nation feels slapped in the face.

      Questions:

      1. Why when offered free land did they turn it down? "To Quell the issue I accept" Big News Story! Healing! Not.
      2. Why is it going to be named the Cordova Center? Look it up.
      3. Where is the Muslim tolerance for the rest of us? Right, they have none infidel...

      I know:
      1. I hate Obama, but he was correct in what he said. Hated to see him hwaffle(half waffle) like that.
      2. They refuse to move because this is their way "Cordova" again look it up.

      August 18, 2010 at 8:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      Well said; I couldn't agree more.

      August 18, 2010 at 8:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Blair G.

      First and foremost I write this as a Canadian Christian.

      Americans who oppose this Muslim facility from being built are not looking at the bigger picture and are being insensitive and racist.

      Do those opposing, really think that mainstream Muslims had anything to do with 9/11?? Seriously if you do then you are as much a part of the global problem as terrorists themselves.

      9/11 WAS THE RESULT OF TERRORISTS (not Muslims). The fact that Americans who are opposed are trying to say that mainstream Muslims are to blame is insensitive to the extreme. Muslims are not being insensitive to the 9/11 era or the sacred ground on which it occurred. To the contrary they are trying to honor 9/11 as well by building a facility that is meant to educate and broaden the minds of those who are paranoid.

      To see this being debated by the American people is truly a sad day for America. As a Canadian who prides himself on being a neighbor to America, I am deeply concerned about the level of racism that is being displayed by those opposed to this site. However I am not surprised considering I have met so many Caucasian Americans who have not gotten over the fact that slavery was abolished sometime ago!!

      August 18, 2010 at 8:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • trainwreck

      i think that by making this an issue, the right wing are the ones creating new wounds and sprinkling salt in them. this is not a mosque, it is not at ground zero, and the blaming islam for the bombings is like blaming christianity for the ku klux klan burning churches in mississippi

      August 18, 2010 at 9:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • JohnQPublik

      I never thought I'd see the day where I agree with our idiot governor more than I agree with our idiot president.

      August 18, 2010 at 9:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • TMan113

      @Jason B. You are spot on right my friend! Major distraction. Wish more people would get that!

      August 18, 2010 at 10:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ken

      I see alot of folks talking about what makes America great.. Yes.. One is the freedom of religion. I do not question that wisdom. But another thing that makes America great is "Common Sense". There is no sense in the building of the Mosque so close to a "hollowed' ground. So what rules here. Freedom of religion or common sense. What would happen if someone bought the building next to it and made it a gay bar? The muslim would go through the roof and do everything they could to prevent it from being open. So does it makes sense to build it there? No... Does it make sense to open a gay bar next to a Mosque? No......

      August 18, 2010 at 10:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ayul Zadok

      Why is this Mosque going to be called the "Cordoba" Mosque? Study your history, stupid Americans. Cordoba was the first European city conquered by a Muslim army (in 711). Then a mosque was built there, and the rest of Spain was conquered. This is an accepted Islamic practice, and the proponents of the Ground Zero Mosque are not even hiding their intentions. This is not a fringe. This is core Islam for centuries. Yes they have a right to practice their religion, but they have NO respect for you. If they did, they would show SENSITIVITY and CARING and accept that people are hurt and would not build there. This will be seen as a victory for Islam, period. A mythology and lies will be woven around this New York Mosque in the popular imagination of the poor Arabs of the world so that they will believe that this is "Al Aqsa 2", the REAL farthest Mosque, that Mohamed visited there, and that this land was and always has been Muslim. This will justify their calls for conquest and the injustice of not being able to build "Al Aqsa 3" in Washington D.C. or somewhere else in America. Learn from history, you ignorant, well-meaning, naive Americans. The Molsems built a Mosque on the Jews holiest site and claimed it for their own. Do you think Manhattan is any less of an attractive site for conquest? THIS is the fundamental issue. An American supporting the building of this Mosque in this place ultimately is aiding the enemy you are currently fighting around the world.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • jordan

      TROJAN HORSE==== TROJAN HORSE===== TROJAN HORSE--WHY DONT YOU GUYS SEE THROUGH THIS ALL-THIS MOSQUE STANDS FOR DOMINANCE AND EXPANSION OF SHARIA IN AMERICA . WHY DOENST THIS IMMAM FIRST HELP THE MUSLIM WORLD ACCEPT EQUALITY -FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AND RELIGIOUS FREEDOM--WHY DO PEOPLE FROM THE " MUSLIM WORLD---REMEMBER- MUSLIM WORLD-NOT SECULAR WORLD OR DEMOCRATIC WORLD–BUT MUSLIM WORLD -THINK THAT AMERICA IS THE DEVIL . IT IS THE MESSAGE THAT THE INFIDEL-JEWS ,CHRISTIANS AND HINDUS MUST BE KILLED -IS MENTIONED IN THE KORAN -WAKE UP AMERICA-WAKE UP BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE .

      September 9, 2010 at 10:51 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Mike KILPATRICK

    It's wrong for the NYS government to offer this proposal, it gives in to racist religious bigots, & the Terrorist who attacked US.

    Today it's the Muslims, tomorrow it could your faith, your church, your race. It's unlawful within our founding fathers frame of sepation of Church & State, the Islamic Community should NOT be allowed to treated less then any other group of human beings, when does it end, look at what we have become a Nation of racist religious bigots pretending we are True Americans what hypocrites we are.

    If this group were Jews, Chritsins the World would be outraged by such a suggestion or attack on their religion. The law is clear, stand strong my fellow Americans, there are still People who believe in the Law & the first amendment.

    August 18, 2010 at 10:05 am | Report abuse |
    • steve

      Amen to that!

      August 18, 2010 at 10:08 am | Report abuse |
    • S

      Actually in this country and all over the world its allowed to attack Christians with no backlash. Try building a Christian Church in Mecca across the street from their holy place. See what type of reaction you get there.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:13 am | Report abuse |
    • Steven P

      If Christians were bombing pizza parlors in the name of Jesus, I'd look into that. They aren't. If the Jews were bombing museums in the name of God, I'd look into that. They aren't.,

      August 18, 2010 at 10:16 am | Report abuse |
    • Steven P

      Still waiting for the Greek Orthodox church to be rebuilt. You know, the one destroyed o 9/11?

      August 18, 2010 at 10:17 am | Report abuse |
    • Man

      It is ridicules. Whats wrong when some one build something on their own private property. city permits, county permits already. whats wrong with you people. You people go and fight with Al quidea (who is enemy to islam too) not with all Muslims. American Muslims also died in sep 11 incident.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:26 am | Report abuse |
    • JDT

      In the words of a great American "not all Muslims are terrorists, but so far, all the terrorists have been Muslims"

      August 18, 2010 at 10:26 am | Report abuse |
    • Ophitke

      What they'll likely propose is a swap of property, equal value for equal value. There shouldn't be, and probably won't be, any public funds used.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:27 am | Report abuse |
    • John

      As a neopagan (like a Wiccan, but with less ceremony), I can definitely agree with this. I don't want religious freedom in this country dictated by what's popular, because while that may just be against the Muslims today, it can get turned on a lot of people really fast. Just ask the Mormons, Baptists, Catholics, Jews, etc.

      Our goal is to move forward, not slide backwards.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:27 am | Report abuse |
    • John

      @JDT "In the words of a great American "not all Muslims are terrorists, but so far, all the terrorists have been Muslims"

      Unabomber, Timothy McVeigh, etc. I mean, have you ever even heard of the IRA? If you think Muslims have the market cornered on terrorism, you need to learn more history.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:28 am | Report abuse |
    • L

      I agree even though I am a Christian I dont see any problem with building a Mosque, if we call our country a free country then we must be free to all religions. It is true that you cant build a church in Mecca but isnt that what sets us apart or should set us apart...

      August 18, 2010 at 10:29 am | Report abuse |
    • AGoodwin

      The difference is we are talking about AMERICA – not other countries who do not believe in freedom from religion! That is what makes America unique! And remember – muslims died on 9/11 too...muslims were first responders...Muslim is the religion – but they can be American's too!

      Steve P – You're wrong. Timothy McVeigh bobmed in the name of his fudmental christian views and yet there is nobody in OK city putting a stop to building churches there. Furthermore, it is up to the Greek Orthodox church to rebuild itself! And lastly – 5 blocks away is certainly not groud zero (as it is like to be reported by various news outlets). 5 blocks in NY City is like an eternity away!! But my guess is that a) you do not live in NY City and b) have never visited it.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:31 am | Report abuse |
    • Yahwh1

      The Islamic agenda is global dominance. We are alll in a deep slumber to not understand the agenda of Islam no matter how pious they may come across – #1 goal for them to take over and destroy any Western lifestyle. But the good news is the Jesus Christ came to deliver us the from death once and for all and if we put our faith in Him we cannot be harmed by the evil of this world nor those who try to destroy it. Here are a few Bible verses to stand upon: "Salvation is found in no one else, (only The Christ) for there is no other Name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12.
      " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made. In Him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it" John 1:1-5.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:38 am | Report abuse |
    • L

      In response to JDT that "not all Muslims are terrorists, but so far, all the terrorists have been Muslims" It depends what you describe as Terrorism. I have spent years living outside the US and have visited a variety of different countries. In many of my conversations with individuals I have heard many stories of persons who felt that they were terrorized by the US. People have been killed, hurt, displaced by individuals from the US and the US government. Terrorism is a word that is very powerful and you need to be careful how you use it. If you are willing to call others Terrorists are you willing to be self reflective and look at our own country and see how much terror we have spread across the globe.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:38 am | Report abuse |
    • fckface

      S,

      Poor logic! A better analogy would be "try building a mosque in Vatican City"

      August 18, 2010 at 10:39 am | Report abuse |
    • AGoodwin

      JDT – there are 1.5+ BILLION Muslims in the world – the second largest in the world. So yes, with a group that large you are going to have a few crazies out there. And not all terrorists are Muslim! From 1980 to 2005 Muslims make up only 6% of terrorist attacks in the USA. 7% were jewish attacks, 40%+ were latinos...16% others, etc....so please, stop posting MISINFORMATION!!!

      August 18, 2010 at 10:41 am | Report abuse |
    • Matt

      Christians and Jews haven't attacked the United States...Except for one crazy redneck.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:44 am | Report abuse |
    • AGoodwin

      Yahwh1 – completely untrue. Isn't lying one of those pesky 10 commandments? Perhaps you should inform yourself on what it is to be a Muslim...otherwise, you do not have a clue!!

      August 18, 2010 at 10:47 am | Report abuse |
    • John

      @Yahwh1

      Wow, way to paint this clearly as a holy war between Christians and Muslims. I wish we could send all the wacko religious extremists on both sides off to another planet somewhere to fight it out under the watchful eye of your invisible sky-god, and the rest of us could just live peacefully here. As a non-Christian and non-Muslim, I really don't want to be pulled into what is yet another internecine spat in the Abrahamic religions, and it's bad enough I had to go to the Middle East twice already to fight in your religious wars.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:54 am | Report abuse |
    • KiddSS

      I'm thinking they can have their Mosque near ground zero if the Stewardship Foundation can build a Church next to Mecca.

      August 18, 2010 at 11:00 am | Report abuse |
    • John

      I'm thinking that if we start restricting freedoms in America to only those freedoms allowed in the most tyrannical countries we can find in the world, we'll become one of the most tyrannical countries in the world.

      Stop trying to destroy America.

      August 18, 2010 at 11:08 am | Report abuse |
    • Dianne Martinez

      Mike i agree with you. it seems to me that there are a lot of citizens that believe that freedom is only for themselves and those that agree with them. However, I do think that as sensitive issue as this is that a mosque (or anything else for that matter) be built there. There is enough devision and bigotry present already and this just fuels it. I guess that could be considered giving in to pressure from those that oppose this so strongly – but I just think we need to pick our battles carefully. The sad thing is that there are many (I don't know the count) of good, loyal American Muslims that are good citizens, that work here, pay their taxes, some even fighting WITH us in the Middle East. These people are blamed for 9/11 along with those that are terrorists. However, you would think that they would understand how people could object to this location for a mosque and back off due to the sesitive nature of this issue. Obama is in a no win situation as he is the president of Muslim citizens as well as all other religions and has to declare the rights of all.

      August 18, 2010 at 11:30 am | Report abuse |
    • jane

      Well who do you think bombed the mosque a while back or sit it on fire. it sure wasn't a muslim. Jane

      August 18, 2010 at 11:34 am | Report abuse |
    • Pealer

      What does religious bigotry have to do with racism? Really? Seriously?

      August 18, 2010 at 11:36 am | Report abuse |
    • Proud American

      Why don't you ask the family members of those who were killed if they believe this to be a good idea? I mean, how heartless are we, as Americans, that we would choose to give more thought and compassion to the Muslim wanting to build this mosque so close to Ground Zero than to those family members of innocent lives that were taken. Our president has offered his support for the idea which I believe is just a slap in the face to anyone who lost a friend or family member to the 911 attacks – we didn't look for that fight, they brought it to us! If you want to blame anyone for intolerance, blame those pilots who heartlessly flew our fellow countryment into buildings to prove they hate America and all we stand for. I can't imagine the Muslims, if they are so sensitive to what we faced during 911, would even want to bring that controversy – that should tell you their motives lie elsewhere!

      August 18, 2010 at 12:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Robert Montero

      You are correct.

      August 18, 2010 at 2:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Melissa

      No, it isn't. You want your religion, then keep it to your places of worship and your house. And keep your bloody religion away from places like ground zero. They are right to offer this. This area should remain a monument to the dead, it should NOT stand as any religious symbol.

      August 18, 2010 at 4:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Edwin

      S: where in THIS country is it actually okay to physically attack a christian? Name even one (real) place where that would be considered legal or acceptable.

      Now consider the CHRISTIANS who picket at CHRISTIAN funerals, because they hate other christians so much. Why look for hate from other groups, when christians are so good at dishing it out to everybody, themselves included?

      August 18, 2010 at 5:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Juju

      S–You sound like my first grade students. "He cut me in line, so I cut him in line!"

      You make my point perfectly. WE ARE BETTER THAN THAT. We're Goshdarn Americans, and we're BETTER THAN THAT. It is WRONG of the Saudis to disallow any churches to be built, and it would be WRONG of us to do the same for mosques.

      So don't give me that "He did it first to me" BS. I see through that, sonny/missy. As should you, if you're old enough to be posting on websites.

      Don't make me call your mom.

      August 18, 2010 at 9:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Juju

      Proud American– As a New Yorker who worked at the trade center, I fully support this mosque. Because I, too, am a proud American. I am an American who believes in freedom of religion. I am an American who is not making the utterly irrational connection between people who peacefully practice their religion and nut jobs who murder and blow themselves up. It is not a slap in the face to the 9/11 victims and those of us who survived. It is with pride that I declare my patriotism by fully supporting the AMERICAN freedom of religion.

      God/Allah/Yaweh/Diety of your Choice bless America!

      We are not afraid of a little mosque in this town.

      August 18, 2010 at 9:43 pm | Report abuse |
  3. StateOfMaine

    The politicians jump on the bandwagon purely for the purpose of vote's or to discredit the opposing party. They never offer solution's, just rhetoric.

    August 18, 2010 at 10:06 am | Report abuse |
  4. Jeffbo

    How were they offered this site in the first place ?

    August 18, 2010 at 10:07 am | Report abuse |
    • steve

      They already owned it.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:09 am | Report abuse |
  5. Jeff

    @Jeffbo: They weren't "offered" the current site. They bought it.

    August 18, 2010 at 10:08 am | Report abuse |
    • Jeffbo

      Oh, all this time I thought we were paying for it.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:11 am | Report abuse |
    • John

      No, these Americans bought land with their money, and are now facing public opposition to their desire to exercise their first amendment right of religious freedom on private land.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:29 am | Report abuse |
    • Bert

      They don't own it – they rented it and only half – they lied to the board – they own nothing.

      August 18, 2010 at 11:32 am | Report abuse |
    • Jeff

      OK, to be more accurate, the NY Post reports that they bought one of the two buildings that will be demolished to build the new community center. They have a 99-year lease on the other building.

      August 18, 2010 at 5:21 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Bridget

    When in Rome, do as the Romans, it is a basic etiquette rule and basic common sense, to be sensitive and respectful to others. Here is their opportunity to show tolerance, kindness and respect to fellow man. They will be looked at in a new light and start the real healing if they take this offer of opportunity, and perhaps change a few opinions to their favor. It wil be a wise diplomatic move.

    August 18, 2010 at 10:09 am | Report abuse |
    • TexJohn

      Bridget – could not agree with you more. However, your statement is likely to fly over the heads those most in need of this message.

      On the other hand your gentle reminder might have some reconsider their own positions on this issue. While you may never be able to reach the radicals and extremist with your message, it is when a bulk majority fall silent or are caught up in the fever when (the intolerance and lack of common sense you speak of) will cause the most damage.

      Our very religious freedoms were born out of the intolerance and persecutions taking place in Europe during the founding of our country. We are America and any suggestion by others (references to Mecca) that Americans should ignore their American heritage of religious tolerance is short sighted at the very least.

      August 18, 2010 at 12:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • A

      This same concept can be applied the other way around. It would show that the christian sect actually practices what they preach by backing off and allowing this Park51 place (not a mosque) to be built. It would be bigger of them (christians) to acknowledge that they are in the wrong for demanding rights be revoked for others while they (christians) get to continue enjoying them.

      It's okay to stand up and speak out for our freedoms so long as they are in line with what YOU believe, right?

      Take your own advice, back off and let them honor their dead in their own way. As I recall, 25+ Muslims were killed on 9/11 as well. Get over yourself.

      August 18, 2010 at 7:36 pm | Report abuse |
  7. S

    I'll suggest a new location, how about in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan or Pakistan.

    August 18, 2010 at 10:10 am | Report abuse |
    • Paul

      Thousands of Muslims live in New York. Do you know where the closest mosque is to the "ground zero mosque"? It's less than a mile away.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:23 am | Report abuse |
    • Jaleel

      They are Americans too, why don't you go worship in Europe?

      August 18, 2010 at 10:25 am | Report abuse |
    • Man

      Why don't you go and pray in Rome. its their own property man. they are doing prayer as of today. whats wrong if they spend their money and built the bigger one.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:30 am | Report abuse |
    • Jordan

      Yes build it in Iran, or Saudi Arabia, or Iraq etc...the same places/people that burn churches and synogogues and hindu temples to the ground to build their mosques.....if the muslims fail to volunteer to move the site, they prove that this is just another in a long line of mosques built on ruins of other nationalities and religions....this is the islamic m.o...or havent people learned and seen enough of this religion to know what its about yet.???

      August 18, 2010 at 12:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jaleel

      Jordan
      Do you mean the same way we murdered the Native and only true Americans and build churches all over their land?

      August 18, 2010 at 12:31 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Kevin C

    So many ridiculous things about this NON-ISSUE. CNN: you should be ashamed of your reporting (not that this is any surprise; you have essentially become a mouthpiece of the corporatocracy). It is not a mosque, and it is not at ground zero. You and other "news" outlets need to stop the sensationalism and report responsibly. I know...that is clearly asking way too much since "Islamic Community Center slated to be built two large Manhattan blocks away from the World Trade Center site" wouldn't sell a fraction as much as "Ground Zero Mosque." I'm sad for my country

    August 18, 2010 at 10:11 am | Report abuse |
  9. Sharon G.

    I'm a Christian and feel so sorry that our country is acting so abominably. The Muslims don't want to build a terrorist training center, they want to build a community center. For their own safety, I hope they move. We have enough home grown terrorists to make them unsafe at the original location ... and enough right-wing talk show hosts and senators/reps to prove it. And JasonB is right.

    August 18, 2010 at 10:13 am | Report abuse |
    • Shiki

      I agree. To see so many Americans hellbent on destroying traditional American such as Religious Tolerance, Freedom of Religion, Free Enterprise, all to push an agenda of hate is very disheartening.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:31 am | Report abuse |
    • Shiki

      I agree. To see so many Americans hellbent on destroying traditional American values such as Religious Tolerance, Freedom of Religion, Free Enterprise, all to push an agenda of hate is very disheartening. I love the word you use, abominable. It's perfect for what's going on here.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:32 am | Report abuse |
    • Bert

      YOU are living proof that Christians can be stupid – just don't stay that way.

      August 18, 2010 at 11:34 am | Report abuse |
  10. senior 70

    The people does not need a distraction from solving the employment and economy problems.Muslims are helping Obama by creating another "problem"

    August 18, 2010 at 10:13 am | Report abuse |
  11. Glen Mayne

    Why is this action on the part of the Gov. Paterson not a violation of US civil rights law? Not opinion, or moral feelings of what is proper, but established law. The developer has said he doesn't wish to move the site but the Gov. is pressuring him to change his plans based solely upon the developer's religion.

    August 18, 2010 at 10:14 am | Report abuse |
    • Hendrik

      I completely agree. I just think the governor did this to save his political hide.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:23 am | Report abuse |
    • Shiki

      The governor should be investigated. Certainly his pressuring the builder is unethical at best.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:28 am | Report abuse |
  12. Fallout

    Ever hear of the expression "It's the principle of the thing"? There's no question that the owners and developers of the Muslim Center have the legal right to do what they are planning. But for many, including myself, it is too much, too fast, and too close. This tarnishes the memory of those lost. I don't expect to change the mind of it's supporters, but I'm not changing my mind either. It's not "can they?", but "should they?".

    August 18, 2010 at 10:14 am | Report abuse |
    • Hendrik

      This is a country where people should do what they wish. You and I do what we wish all the time. This issue is made up by Pamela Geller and has now "viraled" out of control for the politicians who are salivating at the thought of demonizing Muslims and scoring points. Shame on the Governor for alling into this trap. Spineless coward. Do not forget we have a long and sordid history of this. "Sensitivity" is just a code word for "hatred".

      August 18, 2010 at 10:22 am | Report abuse |
    • John

      Let's keep Catholic churches away from schools and close down the parochial schools. It's the principle of the thing, sure not every Catholic priest is going to abuse children, but an awful lot of them have. Can we afford to take the risk?

      August 18, 2010 at 10:31 am | Report abuse |
    • J

      Why shouldnt they? Personally I do not follow any relgion, but Islam is one of the fastest growing and one of the largest religions in the world. It was not the religion that attacked on 9/11 but terrorist extremists. People like you fail to realize that the 2 are not linked. Radicals/Extremists do a lot in the name of religion but it does not mean that the actions they commit in there name are supported by that religion or those that follow it. You have allowed the media, your ignorance and fear to control your judgement and logic. Its quite funny that those people who follow Christianity speak out when in fact it is the radicals/extremists in your religion that has commited some of the most violent acts in our history. (i.e Crusades, Witch Hunts, Slavery, etc...) When asked most of you will prolly disown the individuals who commited such things, saying that those acts were horendous and against the religions fundamental views and general practice of its followers. How is it not the same for present day Islam. Stop being a hypocrit, and try to understand that it was not the religion of Islam that attacked on 9/11 but a small group of hateful extremists that did.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:46 am | Report abuse |
    • milehighjdg

      If you want to talk about principles, let's talk about the people mere FEET away from ground zero, selling their cheap tchotchkes - their "I Survived 9/11" Tshirts, their cheap FDNY hats, playing their remixes of the newscasts to a beat (!), their horrible desire to use this tragedy to make a buck. When the people claiming "insensitivity to the survivors" kick those carrion feeders out, then I'll give half a crap about what they say.

      August 18, 2010 at 11:59 am | Report abuse |
    • Jordan

      70% of Americans DO NOT WANT THIS MOSQUE..........end of story....thats why......because the majority rules in America....and this comes from a CNN poll....so all you lefties, you are not smarter than 70% of Americans.....

      August 18, 2010 at 12:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bryant

      @Jordan

      The majority may rule in America, but the majority's desires never take precedence over the rights of the minority. The rights of the minority are always preserved because this is America, the land where everyone is free. The majority has never had the right to suppress the rights of the minority in the United States, and hopefully, it never will.

      August 18, 2010 at 6:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Daniel

      Right on Bryant.

      Jordan, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what America is all about.

      August 18, 2010 at 8:26 pm | Report abuse |
  13. smoothy

    They have a right to worship in this country, but not a right to put a mosque ANYWHERE they want. They should be more sensitive to those who lost family in 9/11 and realize those wounds have not healed, and be willing to move it further away.

    August 18, 2010 at 10:15 am | Report abuse |
    • Hendrik

      Perhaps we should be more sensitive to them and their faith. You poorly hide your disdain for Muslims by talking about their insensitivity. Nonsense.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:17 am | Report abuse |
    • frogman

      I agree smoothy. Muslims are always demanding that non Muslims show sensitivity to their feelings now lets see if they can shoe sensitivity to our feelings.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:23 am | Report abuse |
    • Shiki

      Actually they DO have the right to put a mosque any where they want to as long as they comply with zoning and local laws. They own the land and in this country we respect the rights of property owners. No way should they move them selves to the proverbial back of the bus just to make a bunch of bigot and fear-mongers happy.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:27 am | Report abuse |
    • Jim

      Why is it that WE have to be more sensitive about the muslims feelings building a mosque that clearly irritates the majority of Americans (poll numbers are not even close)? When a group that is financing and building this mosque/Islamic Center is a foreign concern, THEY should be more sensitive about the neighborhood they move into. Say I wanted to build a nudist center, a perfectly legitamate life choice, would I ram it down the throats of a community where there is a clear disdain about the placement of this perfectly legitimate life choice center? No, I'd put it somewhere that causes less friction because that's the right thing to do. The reason why this placement of an Islamic Center is causing so much controversy is because it is being placed so close to the site of a horrific tragedy which involved a radical sect of the religion. Nobody is saying that the center can't be built, it's just causing a stir because it is near where the heart was ripped out of America and stompped. Be sensitive to the needs of the host city because its residents will be the most resentful of the placement being rammed down their throats. Per the CNN report, the developer "will not budge" on the placement of the center. The people in the US know that symbolism is a tactic of terrorists, they equate the unwaivering placement of this new Islamic center so close to the site of terrorism on US soil as a symbol versus a functional centerpiece as described by the developer. In many American's eyes, it's akin to erecting a victory statue. I would suggest a site a few blocks further away to give everyone a win/win scenario. If the developers don't show some sensitivity by agreeing to that plan, then maybe there is some symbolism to this placement?

      August 18, 2010 at 10:48 am | Report abuse |
    • TonyF

      @smoothy. Spot on. I agree. This is an important issue. I do believe this would not be an issue if it were being built nowhere near ground zero. Just not a wise decision to build an islamic "Victory" mosque near the ground zero site.

      August 18, 2010 at 11:35 am | Report abuse |
    • TonyF

      It's unbelievable that this topic of building an islamic mosque near the site where thousands were murdered is a huge argument. Would this be an argument if the destruction of the towers happened 2 years ago????? Now is not the time to allow an islamic mosque to be built. Wars are still being fought. Is there a US establishment near Nagasaki or Hiroshima? Americans need to wake up.

      August 18, 2010 at 12:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Cody

      TonyF, "Is there a US establishment near Nagasaki or Hiroshima? Americans need to wake up." Probably not but the real question is Is there a Church in Nagasaki or Hiroshima? Yes, there is. Alqaida is not a country or a religion. We are not building a Alqaida monumnet!

      August 18, 2010 at 4:57 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Hendrik

    When will we understand that this made up issue falls right in line with the rest of the Repubs tactics that they use all the time.

    1. Be afraid of the Mexican
    2. Be afraid of the Muslim
    3. Be afraid of the African African
    4. Be afraid of the solialist, communist, fascist
    5. Be afraid of Obama the Antichrist
    6. Be afraid of the death panels
    7. Be afraid of the government taking over your healthcare

    Always the same story and we collectively ALL fall for it over and over. It is not logical and it is stupid. Only we can stop these idiots.

    August 18, 2010 at 10:15 am | Report abuse |
    • clyde

      I don't remember anybody from either politcal party asking me to afraid of anybody, but I do know that radical muslims and Islam in general were responsible for the WTC attacks (your staement makes me think you've been absent from the world for a while), and I do know that by their statement about standing firm and not comprimising indicates they want to showcase their victory.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:23 am | Report abuse |
    • Paul

      clyde: there are over a billion muslims on this planet. maybe 100 of them were involved in 9/11. what are the odds that the people building this mosque have anything to do with the attackers? And by the way, there is already an islamic center south of canal street. No one cares about that. Why not?

      August 18, 2010 at 10:25 am | Report abuse |
    • Jaleel

      I am personally more afraid of white people, not necessarily Christians.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:26 am | Report abuse |
    • kathy

      I'm not afraid of any of the above. What disturbs me the me the most is that whenever these nutbags decide to blow something up, they end up dancing in the streets for the atrocities they committed and then think we're suppose to welcome them here!
      What gets me totally crazy is their total disregard and disrespect for human life. The whole thing is a disgrace!!

      August 18, 2010 at 10:29 am | Report abuse |
    • John

      There were about as many innocent Muslims were killed on 9/11 as there were radical extremists involved in the whole plot.

      Innocent Muslims died on 9/11 too, it's not just a Christian tragedy, it's an American tragedy.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:34 am | Report abuse |
    • truthywood

      White people are most dangerous group in world with 10,000 nukes in their hands, If fantics like Palin, Gingrich or Geller come into power, they are just going to destroy whole world for sake of their ideology.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:41 am | Report abuse |
    • Yahwh1

      Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28 – Believe in Him who created you!

      August 18, 2010 at 10:51 am | Report abuse |
    • jane

      they may not ask us to FEAR, but its the clear message to all of this, I have never seen so much hatred for races, religion, gov as of lately, hatred of hispanics, muslims, religions like Islam, anti gov anti poor people and the unemployed, we are making them a nation of spoiled people so says Sharron Angle. we may as well all dig a hole and crawl into it if you listen to the GOP. Jane

      August 18, 2010 at 11:27 am | Report abuse |
    • milehighjdg

      Like I saw on Twitter yesterday, "we've been making plenty of ground zeroes near mosques in iraq and afghanistan, and we don't like when the opposite is true."

      August 18, 2010 at 12:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jordan

      Muslims in almost every muslim country including the "palestinians" Hizbullah and iran, danced and handed out candy in the streets after 9/11...(check news reports and youtube).....now you want to build a mosque on the site of the greatest islamic terrorist attack ever??? Ya, lets give them more reason to dance and hand out candy...I bet you there will be a picture of NY City, with a large "Domed" "Minareted" mosque in every muslim city in the middle east after its built.....just watch........build a mosque on ground zero when you can build churches, synogogues, hindu temples in muslim countries...he.l.l, some muslim coiuntries wont even let you in if your Jewish or Christian...

      August 18, 2010 at 12:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Matt

      Kathy, may I introduce you to the Crusades.. and the Inquisition. No the Mel Brooks version.

      August 18, 2010 at 1:08 pm | Report abuse |
  15. enough

    Certainly, Muslims have the right to build this mosque, but I don't believe they should exercise that right. It's distasteful and offensive. It would show enormous tolerance and compassion on their part to move the location further away from Ground Zero. For anyone thinking the rest of us should show tolerance to them, think about how this country has now been pressured to follow a certain political correctness, even if it doesn't make sense. This is a time for them to show tolerance, too. I respect the right for people to follow whatever religion they want, but religion should not run this country. IMO, all types of organized religion needs to take a close look at what they really stand for. There's too much hatred, judgment, oppression and hypocrisy for me. From all of them.

    August 18, 2010 at 10:15 am | Report abuse |
    • Kevin C

      It would show enourmous tolerance and compassion if those we realized that this is precisely what fuels extreme fringes of radical religionists.

      Do you people realize there were literally hundreds of Muslims killed in 9/11?

      August 18, 2010 at 10:19 am | Report abuse |
    • Paul

      How far away is OK? 2 blocks is too close? What about 5 blocks? 10 blocks? There's no precedent here and this ridiculous "insensitive" argument has no legal ground at all. You don't have to like your neighbors.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:26 am | Report abuse |
    • enough

      @KevinC-letting them build that mosque does not make the radicals hate us less. It does not give them less fuel. They'll make up the fuel if they have to. The radical Muslims hate EVERYTHING about us. Our freedoms, our way of life, everything. They are so brainwashed, nothing will change how they feel about us. Many just know us by the movies that come out of Hollywood. Don't believe me? Ask Kira Salak who kayaked down the Niger River to Timbuktu. She came upon tribes of people who don't have electricity, but are wearing Osama bin Laden t-shirts and believe Americans are like actors from movies. Because that's what they're told. She would give whatever she could to those people and yet still feared for her life after showing such generosity and compassion. It's a losing battle to try and win this war with a hug. Come to Minnesota, where we've given asylum to more than 100,000 Somalis. Sure, most of them are wonderful people. WONDERFUL. But that doesn't mean that others of them are being brainwashed, and are raising money, planning attacks and heading overseas to training camps-with the sole intent on killing us. That's after we've volunteered to help them learn English, babysit their kids so they can go to school or work, and offer assistance wherever we can to help make their lives better here.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:30 am | Report abuse |
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      And I'm not a Republican. So don't go there.

      August 18, 2010 at 10:31 am | Report abuse |
    • willie hou

      How many miles away from ground zero should the mosque be before it meets the criteria. I ask because it is blocks away from ground zero therefore where do we draw the line.?Does it have to be 5 miles , 10 mile or 20 miles? this is foolish. I could understand the sensitivity issue if they decided to use the land at ground zero, no it is blocks away.
      Most blogs I read reflect that most people are uninfomred and make comments on emotion and not fact.

      August 18, 2010 at 11:14 am | Report abuse |
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