August 18th, 2010
09:20 AM ET

Reports: Site of Islamic Center up in air


Editor's note: New York Gov. David Paterson joins Larry King in his first interview about the Islamic cultural center controversy. "Larry King Live," 9 p.m. ET Wednesday on CNN.

New York Gov. David Paterson may meet with developers who had been pushing to build an Islamic center near ground zero.

Paterson is set to meet with the group this week to offer them state land to construct the controversial mosque at another location, according to CBS 2 and other news outlets.

However, New York 1 is reporting in an exclusive interview with the developer that he has no intention of budging. Sharif el-Gamal imagined what he hoped the center would mean in a story Tuesday. "A landmark, an iconic building that will have people come and visit it from around the world," he said. "This looks like it is going to be the most famous community center in the world."

The Islamic center's leaders say they plan to build the $100 million, 13-story facility called Cordoba House two blocks from the site of the 9/11 attacks. El-Gamal has describe the project as an "Islamic community center" that would include a 500-seat performing arts center, a lecture hall, a swimming pool, a gym, a culinary school, a restaurant and a prayer space for Muslims.

iReport: What's your take on the issue?


Filed under: David Paterson • New York
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  1. Pauls

    This is so unreal. This is America. Last I checked freedom of religon was a guarantee. We are sliding down a very dark slope when we turn our backs on our cherished freedoms for the sake of our personal opinions. For those of you that don't know the Muslim group that wants to build the mosque are Sufi Muslims. They are despised by Sunni Muslims (the extermists that attacked the WTC were Sunni) . Sufi Muslims preach tolerance of all faiths and view all as children of Abraham, in case any one needed a lesson on branches of Islam. Let move on people. There are much more important things that we as a nation need to deal with.

    August 18, 2010 at 1:20 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Al

    We believe in religious freedom. Moving the mosque location seems to be a reasonable solution. The question is move it to where.
    May we suggest Riyadh!

    August 18, 2010 at 1:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • FedUp

      Guantanimo bay! I hear it will be vacant soon.

      August 18, 2010 at 1:25 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Susieq

    I will be the first person to jump on the bandwagon for protecting the rights of individuals to have freedom of religion. However, just as we do not allow radical groups to parade through the center of a town because it will cause violence we SHOULD NOT allow Muslims (or in fact any religious group – even Christian – of which I am one.) to build a mosque, church, synagogue or any other facility in an area that will be a constant problem regarding violence. Example, you don't want Neo -Nazis parading through a Jewish neighborhood, a White supremists group to parade through a black neighborhood, or a Black Panther Party parade through a all white (i.e redneck for lack of a better term) neighborhood. Freedom of religion does not mean that you have the freedom to cause harm or gives you the right to cause misery and heartache to other individuals. No one is saying that they can't build a mosque just move it to another location. If the Muslim factors in New York and throughout the world truly want to show the non-Muslim world they are not antagonistic and do not follow terrorst ideals they should as a whole try to get along with non-Muslims. They should not try to upset them by building a Mosque that would remind others of what happened at the World Trade Center.
    For those of you who will say it was not the Muslim religion that bombed the World Trade Center, I know that but those that did the bombing were Muslim and therefore they represent to many (if not most) non-Muslims the tragedy of that fateful day in Sept. 2001.
    This is not a perfect world but individuals or groups should not be able to do something (build a Mosque) for the soul purpose of intimidating, antagonizing or bullying another individual or group. I don't care who they are.

    August 18, 2010 at 1:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Burn it to the ground

      Well said. And if you want to get technical. The WTC was done in the name of Allah. Doesn't that mean we are technically at war with muslims?

      August 18, 2010 at 1:26 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Squeezebox

    Mr. el-Gamal just doesn't get it. We don't want people to come to that site from around the world. We don't want a Mosque there at all! You have the unconditional right to be an idiot, but that doesn't mean that you should. Fanatics from both sides will just make the place a target for violence. Move the Mosque!

    August 18, 2010 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Mr Bill

    I understand there is a mosque just 4 blocks away from ground zero already. How far from ground zero is enough? 4 blocks, 9 blocks, 1.3 miles, New Jersey?? Has anyone asked?

    August 18, 2010 at 1:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      I've repeatedly asked those on the right for a strict definition of how large they want the Ground Zero Religious Freedom Restriction Zone to be, and I have yet to get a straight answer.

      If you look at the widespread and uniform opposition to Islam and new mosques across the nation, the reason becomes clear. Whatever they may say to the contrary, they're opposed not to this mosque, but to any and all mosques.

      August 18, 2010 at 1:40 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Robert

    However, New York 1 is reporting in an exclusive interview with the developer that he has no intention of budging. Sharif el-Gamal imagined what he hoped the center would mean in a story Tuesday. "A landmark, an iconic building that will have people come and visit it from around the world," he said. "This looks like it is going to be the most famous community center in the world."
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    Mayor Bombastic of NYC should be thrown out of office. This will be clearly a slap in the face to America by islam and the erecting of that "community center" will be a victory shrine to islam. Was not the non citizen socialist a "community organizer"? We were told to coddle all illegals and are now being told to bow to islam.--The EU learned the hard way on both issues--I have never heard about, read about or saw on TV, about a so called moderate mulsims proteting the vile acts of their brethren.-–why not---who is funding all of the islamic building in this country-–the money is not coming from those who are tolerant of Christanity or towards Judaism --
    Lets see, all the terrorist attacks on American property and citizens here and abroad were by-–oh my gosh-–the muslims-how can that be if islam is a religion of peace and tolerance.
    The great pretender agrees with the terrorist group Hamas that the structure needs to be built right next to the 9/11 site. Then the great pretender tell Israel, that it cannot building homes on its own land.

    August 18, 2010 at 1:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Cathy

      I have been watching this debate from Canada and I am Very proud to say I am Canadian after reading your comments of intollerance with such an uneducated ignorance. Muslims did not blow up the Trade Centers – Very Dangerous People hiding behind the name of the Islamic religion did. We all cried for the fallen and the families left behind. Don't pass more hate...

      August 18, 2010 at 2:35 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Wes McKenzie

    I don't know about the rest of the country but building an islamic center near the World Trade center would be an insult and mockery to our country and those who died trying to preserve what those towers meant to the nation. while I agree with freedom of speech and religion, we, as Americans, have the right to oppose groups and religion that want to do us harm. A mosque? The average american i snot allowed in a mosque, which brings me to ask the question: Which community will this mosque serve?

    August 18, 2010 at 1:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • FedUp

      Wes, I loved this post. Nice.

      August 18, 2010 at 1:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • N

      Ummm. Anyone is aloud to enter a mosque.

      August 18, 2010 at 1:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • N

      edit.... *allowed*

      August 18, 2010 at 1:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      Seventy Muslims died in the towers, do they not count? Muslims servicemembers have died in Iraq and Afghanistan, and Muslims have died in the Iraqi and Afghani military forces, while fighting alongside Coalition forces to try and make a better life for themselves and their families in their countries. Nearly everybody we liberated from the despotic rule of Saddam Hussein was a Muslim, and just about every ally we have over there now is a Muslim.

      The average american is allowed in a mosque, even by the strict interpretations a Christian or Jew *should* be allowed in mosques, and many in the US aren't even that picky about it. This community center is specifically an interfaith community center, and not a mosque, so even as the godless pagan that I am, I could go there without worrying about stepping on any toes.

      August 18, 2010 at 1:36 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Yahwh1

    Fred, read your history – it was the Christians (if they were really true believer's in Christ) responding to the Islam having taken their land this is when Mohamed to decided to make his "crusade" to take over places such as Turkey, Spain just to name a few. Current day Moslems are trying to take over where Mohamed left off?

    August 18, 2010 at 1:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      Curious that you'd say about the Crusaders "if they were really true believers in Christ", but you never for a moment question whether or not the people who commit atrocities in the name of Islam are truly Muslims or not. This is a great demonstration of the fundamental hypocrisy of Christianity, and I thank you for displaying it out in the open for everyone to see.

      August 18, 2010 at 1:38 pm | Report abuse |
  9. jeanne

    has NY approved the "church" at ground zero to be rebuilt after it was destroyed in the attacks???? NO, it has not..WHY? .theres the real story...

    August 18, 2010 at 1:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      Yes, the NYC government has approved the rebuilding of that church at its original site. The Greek Orthodox archdiocese want the church to be built at a different nearby site, and they want a total of $60,000,000 in taxpayer money from the NY Port Authority to help in the building at that site. That is why it hasn't been rebuilt.

      I got all that from the FOX News web article on the Greek Orthodox church that hasn't been rebuilt yet. Guess you didn't read past the headline.

      August 18, 2010 at 1:43 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Jason

    When debates like this come about, it is interesting to read both sides of the story. I would like to peacefully ask the following:

    1.) If Islam is a peaceful religion, would those building this "iconic building" please consider in the name of peace to build it at another site. This site was destroyed by Islamic Extremists, and as such Americans are very upset that such a facility would be placed so close to the site of this tragedy. In fact, most Americans agree that we cannot keep Muslims from building such a facility, nor do we want to prohibit them from building a place of worship. We just ask that you do it somewhere else out of respect for our fellow citizens who were killed by your fellow Muslims.

    2.) If Islam is a peaceful religion, it will in the name of peace renounce the actions of those on September 11th, 2001.

    3.) If Islam is a peaceful religion, it would not rub our face in our religious tolerance and propose to open such a grand facility on the 10th anniversary of American being attacked.

    I am sorry, but I am all for religious tolerance. I am an American. However, I also do not open my door if a wolf is sitting outside. Our laws are being used against us. As it stands now, this facility will be a victory center, not a facility to promote peace and warm feelings. If it is not, prove it, in the name of peace.

    If Islam is truly a religion of peace, it would honor those Americans killed in the attacks, and offer to build their facility at another location and open it an any other date.

    Wake up America.

    August 18, 2010 at 1:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      1) How far enough away is far enough away? How far do Muslims living in lower Manhattan have to travel to go to their Friday prayers? NYC is not the easiest place to get around in, and Ground Zero is pretty centrally located there. How large should the Ground Zero Religious Freedom Restriction Zone be? Give me numbers here.

      2) Muslim leaders worldwide have, and continue to do so. Just Google "Muslim clerics denounce 9/11". Heck, they even issued a fatwa against violent Islamic terrorists. There is no Pope of Islam, it'd be like holding every Protestant denomination accountable for the German Protestant persecution of the Anabaptists and demanding that "Protestantism" denounce it.

      3) Who said they were planning to open on 9/11? They haven't even started groundbreaking yet for it. In the very unlikely event that they do plan to open on 9/11/11, maybe it's to commemorate the deaths of 70 innocent Muslims who died in the twin towers on 9/11, and to send a message to the world celebrating the religious freedoms of this great land and the resilience of our principles in the face of violent opposition.

      August 18, 2010 at 1:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Wes McKenzie

      Coudn't agree with you more, Jason.

      August 18, 2010 at 1:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Shiki

      Couldn't agree with you more, John.

      August 18, 2010 at 3:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jason

      Respectfully, multiple media outlets and print published the scheduled opening date as 9/11/2011.
      This is what throws mud in the face of Americans.

      I do not know what location would be "far enough" away. In my opinion, any area in the previous shadow of the Trade Centers should not be considered.

      I respect your opinions, and I ask you to respect mine (and others). That is what makes our country great.
      We all have the ability to express our opinions without fear of prosecution (unless Ms. Pelosi has her way) or retrobution.

      I need more then words in denoucing these attacks. How about the Muslim American community joining with Catholics, Christians, Jews, Atheists (ie other Americans) to protect our nation and its values.

      This discussion I hope leads to an answer that can satisfy all.

      August 18, 2010 at 4:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      I knew a bunch of Muslims in the military when I was in. For only representing 0.6% of the US population, they work real hard to earn their keep. What more do they have to do?

      Should Catholic Churches be kept out of the shadows of schools because of all the abuse?

      Are you going to tell every Muslim living in Lower Manhattan that for Friday prayers, (which occur pretty close to rush hour), they need to travel far enough away for you to be comfortable, in order for them to worship? If that doesn't stick in your teeth as a gross injustice, there's some fine American values you need to re-acquaint yourself with.

      As a pagan in the military, when I was in Iraq I wasn't free to worship. Not because of any local rules, but because the military chaplaincy wouldn't let me and other pagans practice our religion unless we had a "Distinctive Faith Leader" of our religion present, and there aren't a lot of those for pagans in the military. That meant no midsummer or Lughnasadh ceremonies, meant we couldn't gather for anything relative to our religions, and the only way we were able to meet was if we called ourselves a non-religious "reading group". So I'm a little familiar with religious freedom exclusion zones, and thinking of hundreds of Muslims in NYC being stuck in the same boat I was in and for longer just strikes me as wrong.

      August 18, 2010 at 9:12 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Abduselam Abdai

    I am not American. All I see is hatred towards Islam it is dangerous and it will consume you. Islam is not the cause of 9/11. Look at the reality, Did you read on CNN yesterday over 60 Iraqis died of terrorist act, I could assume most of them are Muslims on the holy month of Romadan, A true Muslem can never commit this barbaric act, I am saying this because I know Islam, there is nothing that would justify this in the Kuran or haddith, those who commited these , 9/11 and all killings are going straight to hell ( if you believe in the existence of hell ) and Since the whole terrorist scene came after 9/11 do you have any idea how many Muslims are dying because of it, their countries, family and culture are being destroyed.
    Comparison:
    You can not build a church in Saudi Arabia, like you can not build a Mosque in the Vatican and Most parts of Rome and Italy and other places
    Value
    I hate Saudi Arabia, the government is not true Islamic, they have miss represented Islam for ever. My family is Muslim and I have seen it fist hand ( In the medieval times Muslim women where going to Universities In bagdad and spain when to study Science and religion,( in case you didn't know) Now their kids boys even can't go to their universities because of racism issue.
    So It is dead wrong to compare with this people and to get your values down to theirs.
    My point is this is America the Land of Freedom and if you are True American fight to keep it that way,
    American Muslims have died in 9/11 too respect them. Religion and state are two different things and they should always be that way.
    If you are true Christian love them and help them Build the Mosque, As I understand the Christ teaches to Love your enemies that is if you see the Muslims as your enemies.
    Finally we are people of the 21st Century, People of modern science and technology we should not be arguing about religion we should know better.
    Peace to all

    August 18, 2010 at 1:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      Really glad to get the input of an average moderate Muslim from elsewhere in the world on this. Waaay too much ignorance and xenophobia in the US.

      People forget or ignore that Islamic terrorists have killed more Muslims than they've killed anybody else, and that's including the death toll from 9/11. People also ignore that 70 Muslims died in the twin towers on 9/11, which is actually a greater proportion of Muslims to non-Muslims than in the US on average.

      August 18, 2010 at 1:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • FedUp

      Your post is very compelling. It really made me think. I know that Muslims died in those towers. When I speak of giving respect, everyone who was there is included regardless of their religion or nationality. I see religions as mostly having more in common than not. Whether you call the Supreme Being God, Jesus, Allah, or anything else; they have this in common. Doing good by one another is also in common. We are all really more alike than anything else. Just a few differences that probably really don't matter when it comes right down to it.

      That day was so horrific, I still get goose bumps when I really think about it. They should build a memorial IMO. What else is going to be fitting really?

      August 18, 2010 at 1:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • True American

      Why not build your sacred Mosque somewhere else? Why does it have to be exactly 2 blocks away from the memorial? Don't you ask yourself this question? Don't you find it odd that your people are fighting this and not simply saying no problem we understand we can build this 10 blocks away or 20? Also like you mentioned we can not build our churches in your country. Why is that? Because we are the land of the free and naive and you are not? You see although I agree that not all Muslims are evil I will never agree that a Mosque should be even allowed miles near the memorial. This is a mockery and a slap on the face to all Americans. You fled to this country to be free but yet when thousands of innocent Americans died in 9/11 you did not shed a tear. A much as you wish to argue your case 99% of terrorists are from the middle east and they claim to be Muslim. This is not our doing but only facts.

      August 18, 2010 at 1:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joe G

      Dear true American,

      Pleae go and watch Keith Olberman' 12 minute speech on this whole thing. It's remarkably insightful and shows a number of fallacies about the project which have been perpetuated.

      Honestly I wasn't one way or the other until I saw it, even if it is a bit overdone.

      August 18, 2010 at 2:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      @FedUp

      You're right, we should build a memorial at Ground Zero, directly on the site. It's unconscionable that we haven't yet.

      @True American

      Your name is a misnomer.

      August 18, 2010 at 2:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • FedUp

      John~The family we had living in NY that were downtown that day were so traumatized they completely left the state and live far away from NY now. Went back there a few times, but the last time was in 2005 I believe. I was amazed at what I saw. People selling things trying to profit from the tragedy, playing instruments, etc. I cannot describe the feeling I got. Yes, there are some memorial type things e.g. a cross erected from the scrap metal, plaques with names of those who perished, but basically one huge hole fenced in with people peering over it. It really bothered me.

      August 18, 2010 at 2:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Abduselam Abdai

      @True America, You don't know me, so please don't assume. FYI I am not from the middle east, I live here in the United states, I cried and my heart still aches when I think of 9/11 it paralyzed me for days when I saw it, I was not here in the US yet. There was always Mosque in there and if they own their property why not build a center that could be a bridge, may be you could go there and study someday. If you read about Cordoba it was a place where Muslims, Christians and Jews came together to study Science, art, architecture and religion. If you ever get a chance go there ans you will see how these groups made beautiful church. My best friends extreme catholic and Orthodox, we have always lived in peace with respect and we will. Let the people practice their rights if you are really true America.

      August 18, 2010 at 2:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • jbrazealle

      Go home and build a mosqe in your own town. NYC is not for islam!!!!!

      August 18, 2010 at 3:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jason

      What makes this country great is that we can engage in such discussion and have religious tollerance to each other. You are correct, the killing of innocents in our world needs to end. Black or white. Catholic, Muslim, or Jew.

      I respect your thoughts and your opinion. Please know that most of us do not hate Islam.
      We hate the fact that our country was attacked.

      August 18, 2010 at 4:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Abduselam Abdai

      I come from a country where it is very hard, we have been hurt so much by Western countries and we are still being hurt. what makes me happy is we don't let it bother and divide us we are always united and as a result people of all faith coexist there with no division, in few blocks from each other you would find a Catholic Cathedral, orthodox church, Jewish synagogue and a mosque. We have never seen any fighting or any hatred. one come thousands or hundreds years after the other.
      There are already millions of American muslims in every sector of your country what do you have to say to them? think about it, today you say no mosque here and what is next? Remeber the Nazi and how they got to commit the unimaginable crimes, all I want to say it don't fall on their foot steps.
      I know and see that all Americans don't hate muslims, people here also don't represent Americans they only represent themselves, we all are sharing our comments and that is all.
      Love can only and only destroy evil, no force exits that could wipe out evil forces, it can only cover for sometime. So please love.

      August 18, 2010 at 5:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jeff

      @jbrazealle: It is their own town. They are residents of NYC and Americans. Why don't you keep your opinion in your own town?

      August 18, 2010 at 5:30 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Abraham Lincoln

    Today you want to outlaws the mosque, tomorrow we want to outlaw your white-supremacist double-wide trailer. What goes around comes around.

    August 18, 2010 at 1:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • frogman

      Can't outlaw the double wide it's an American Heritage Site.

      August 18, 2010 at 2:38 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Facepalm

    Firstly, this "mosque" is going to be world famous BECAUSE of all this senseless hype about it. That is what the developer was referring to. World famous because everyone will want to see what the controversy was all about – a few buildings, no different than a YMCA. And it isn't really all that much of a mosque – it has a prayer room for Muslims. Anyone here ever been to a multi-purpose room, like when you were in middle school? Think that. Big open space for their praying.

    Secondly...god, is it even worth it to have any more points as to why this shouldn't matter? Many of the people who oppose this facility do so because they either biased against Muslims as a whole or because they concocted some reasoning that because the men who destroyed the WTC were Muslim, anything Muslim must be bad. Hey, all the men who destroyed the WTC were also men, and brown, and probably liked falafel. We should ban all of those too from lower Manhattan to satiate the people who would get offended. Yes, they had an extremist view of their religion. EVERY religion has those people on the fringes who skew the faith to meet their political ends (yes, Christians and Jews too – maybe not as recently, but that's why we have history books and Wikipedia. Look it up.). Terrorism is a political tool to instill fear in the people so that they demand changes in their government. Protesting the construction of this facility because it invokes some sort of emotional response in you, namely fear or anger, is EXACTLY what those men who flew those planes wanted.

    August 18, 2010 at 1:47 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Chris

    How many Christians do you see flying planes into buildings and killing thousands...........anyone?....sure let them build this center, sure invite this type of culture onto US land. Listen I have no problem with people choosing any type of religion they want but I am sorry this is America love it or leave it, build your worship centers on your own soil. Its not our fault you made your land a sewer so don't ruin our land that many sacrificed to build. And bring on all the comments from all of you bleeding heart liberals who feed into this garbage

    August 18, 2010 at 1:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      Christians don't need to fly planes into buildings to kill thousands, they can drop the bombs from waaay up in the air and fly on back to base.

      August 18, 2010 at 1:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Z

      Would Andrew Joseph Stack III be considered a terrorist?

      August 18, 2010 at 1:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joe G

      What does flying a plane have to do with terrorism? Trust me, terrorism wasn't invented by the muslims. It's a Christian thing.

      Have you read the bible?

      August 18, 2010 at 2:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • N

      I guess you should probably leave the country and close all churches down since you took it from the american indians.

      August 18, 2010 at 2:53 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Matrix

    When a Christian Church is built near the mosques in Saudi, Iran, Iraq and all of the Islamic Countries then i will say build that there. But until then, its obvious that even though they are offered another location, they say no; then you know its because of the fact they are tryiing to mock us. Any Politician that fights the opposition should be banned from this country. Its our right too Pelosi!

    August 18, 2010 at 1:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      There are dozens of churches in Iran and Iraq and throughout the Muslim world. Everywhere except Saudi Arabia.

      I thought the thing that made America great was the fact that we hold our nation to the highest standard and not the lowest standards. I didn't fight in OEF and OIF to be the "slightly above worst" nation, I fought to defend the "greatest" nation.

      August 18, 2010 at 1:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Matrix

      I didnt see any in Iraq when i was there. No one cares if they build it. Its where they are building it. By the way, watch the "Obsession" (not mel Gibson Movie) and Third Jihad. I am sure that many will see what radicals are like there. I dont think any church or business should be built near that site. I am Christian, and I too have served and still do in different capacity. Don't you think its strange that they won't budge on going to a different place?

      August 18, 2010 at 2:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      It doesn't matter whether you saw any or not, there's an entire branch of Christianity almost solely located in Iraq, Chaldean Christianity. There's 700,000 Christians in Iraq, which proportionally is way more Christians than there are in the US.

      Maybe the Muslims living and working in Lower Manhattan don't want to commute 1-2 hours in rush hour traffic on Fridays in order to pray? There's churches all over Lower Manhattan, including some closer to Ground Zero than the proposed community center. Some examples
      The River Church @ 7 World Trade Center
      St Paul Chapel – 1 block away from the Ground Zero footprint
      St Peter's Catholic Church – 1/2 block away
      Trinity Church on Wall Street
      St Joseph's Church
      John Street United Methodist Church
      and for good measure, the Battery Park Synagogue just across the street.

      Radicals are radicals. I can show you plenty of terrifying movies featuring people who associate themselves with Christianity, it doesn't mean they represent the mainstream.

      August 18, 2010 at 2:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Matrix

      These are not terrifying videos as you put it. Its the facts about Islam and what the Quran says. Read my post, it says nothing about other churches. I said no buildings meaning nothing new. I dont believe those churches you listed are new. I have not been home for many years so a ot may have changed. For someone saying they fought for there country, you seem to forget what happened there at 9/11.

      August 18, 2010 at 2:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      There is an existing building there now where they pray, a building they already own. They're talking about removing the building that they own on land they own, and building a new place to pray that is also a great big community center.

      I was working on a runway on Hill AFB when 9/11 happened, the first plane hit while we were on the runway and we saw the second one hit on TV when we were back in the shop. Over the following days, I helped guard the base, and helped send off my buddies to build Qatar AB. I also remember massive global condemnations of the attacks by other countries and by Muslim leaders and communities around the world. That December, I went to Prince Sultan Air Base in Saudi Arabia for 6 months while we were building Al-Udeid Air Base in Qatar. The Saudi government let us use PSAB as a base of operations for Operation Enduring Freedom, and I worked in the bare-base power plants that provided power for the Combined Air Operations Center and the runway there. We were side by side with Muslims in Saudi Arabia, and when I was deployed to Sather AB at Baghdad International Airport in 2005, we were side by side with Muslims there too. At BIAP, we were right across the street from the Iraqi special forces training center. I have a great picture somewhere of an Iraqi military vehicle, it was a battered pickup truck with an office chair bolted to the bed and a soviet-make machine gun on a swivel mount bolted to the truck cab. In 2005, that was effectively their version of a Humvee. I saw Muslim Iraqi soldiers all the time, and they faced much greater dangers there than our soldiers did, with worse equipment and worse training and worse facilities. But they fought alongside us anyway, because they were trying to build a better country and a better future for their families and their countrymen.

      I remember 9/11 pretty darn well. I think we both came away with different interpretations of it. I saw it as an attack on freedom by extremism, and people seeking freedom, all over the world, fought back against it. You seem to have seen it as the opening shot of a holy war between Christianity and Islam, and if that is the message you got, you better get out of the military now.

      August 18, 2010 at 3:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Cody

      John, You seem like a well educated person and as a Muslim, I appreciate your support and response. Thanks for serving our country!

      August 18, 2010 at 4:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      As a pagan, I realize there's some pretty pointed anti-pagan things in Islamic teachings, but if y'all ignore those and live and let live, I'm fine with you.

      August 18, 2010 at 9:14 pm | Report abuse |
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