August 31st, 2010
01:09 PM ET

As Iraq combat mission ends, nation asks: Was it worth it?

Paratroopers return from their year-long tour in Iraq.

When President Obama sits down in the Oval Office on Tuesday night to address the nation about today's official drawdown in Iraq, he'll be speaking about the end of the U.S. combat phase and marking a new chapter in a war that has been controversial for seven years.

The combat mission in Iraq has been marked by many key events: It began with a declaration of weapons of mass destruction and was followed by a lengthy justification from the Bush administration, the capturing and execution of Saddam Hussein and a wave of sectarian violence.

The war so far has killed more than 4,400 U.S. troops among the thousands of casualties.

When Obama delivers his address, he won't say "mission accomplished," a top aide says. Instead, Obama will have a "change of mission" moment. Watch Obama live 8 ET: Web | TV | iPhone

As Obama prepares for his delivery, and the GOP prepares its own assessment, Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki held a national address of his own Tuesday, during which he proclaimed Iraq as "sovereign and independent."

As the milestone nears - officially at 5 p.m. - politicians, columnists, editorial boards, soldiers and everyday citizens are seemingly taking the opportunity to ask one question that perhaps has no apparent answer: Was it all worth it?

Peter Bergen, CNN's national security analyst, lays out "what was lost and what it cost" for the U.S. to go to war with Iraq.

"There is no question that the United States liberated Iraqis from Saddam Hussein's demonic tyranny, but that argument was not what persuaded Americans that a preemptive war against the Iraqi dictator was in their best interests ...

"In short, the jury is still out on whether the Iraq War was the United States' most spectacular foreign policy blunder of the past several decades, or if, out of the wreckage, something resembling a coherent Iraq will eventually arise."

The Washington Post's Eugene Robinson wrote that these days, wars rarely are won - but instead end in a "fog of ambiguity."

"Now that the Iraq war is over - for U.S. combat troops, at least - only one thing is clear about the outcome: We didn't win. We didn't lose, either, in the sense of being defeated. But wars no longer end with surrender ceremonies and ticker-tape parades. They end in a fog of ambiguity, and it's easier to discern what's been sacrificed than what's been gained. So it is after seven years of fighting in Iraq, and so it will be after at least 10 years - probably more, before we're done - in Afghanistan."

Ryan C. Crocker, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq, concurred, writing in The Washington Post that he, too, believes this "milestone" doesn't mean things are over yet, let alone that we can properly assess what happened.

"The exit of combat troops does not end the post-1990, non-polar disorder that Hussein's invasion launched. He illustrated an international paradigm shift; he did not create it. Nor does it mean that Iraq is now "over." All of the momentous events of the past 7 1/2 years notwithstanding, Iraq is still at the beginning of its new story, with a future that will be defined by events that have not yet taken place. We have a vital strategic interest in the shape of that future: a stable, pluralistic Iraq in close association with the United States and the West can fundamentally reshape the map of the Middle East. An Iraq that descends into chaos or a new autocracy will threaten the security of the region and the United States."

James Phillips and Lisa Curtis of the conservative Heritage Foundation said the war is "not yet won" and the country remains plagued by "a low-grade insurgency, chronic terrorism, and simmering sectarian tensions."

"President Obama’s televised speech on Iraq will mark the “official” end of U.S. combat operations in Iraq and the transition to an “advise and assist” mission. The President undoubtedly hopes to assure voters ahead of the November elections that he is winding down the war. The irony is that current progress in Iraq was enabled by the Bush Administration’s surge policy, which President Obama, Vice President Joseph Biden, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and many members of this Administration opposed.

But the President should now make every effort to avoid squandering the hard-won security gains of the surge by withdrawing too many troops too fast. Iraq still needs substantial U.S. military, diplomatic, and political support to defeat various insurgent groups, stave off a possible return to civil war, and contain Iran’s expanding influence."

The New York Times columnist David Brooks argued there will be many successes (economic and social) that Obama will be able to tout in his address - but he'll have to do it carefully - "balancing pride with caution."

"In short, there has been substantial progress on the things development efforts can touch most directly: economic growth, basic security, and political and legal institutions. After the disaster of the first few years, nation building, much derided, has been a success. When President Obama speaks to the country on Iraq, he’ll be able to point to a large national project that has contributed to measurable, positive results.

Of course, to be honest, he’ll also have to say how fragile and incomplete this success is. Iraqi material conditions are better, but the Iraqi mind has not caught up with the Iraqi opportunity."

Rep. Mike Pence (R-Indiana), head of the House Republican Conference, wrote in a guest column for The Washington Times that Obama should give credit where it's due: to those who despite negative press stood for the surge and what the war meant. He further said Obama and certain Democratic officials should not hog the glory because they refused to support either endeavor.

"The Obama administration is attempting to rewrite history by taking singular credit for our accomplishments in Iraq. Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. recently claimed it was President Obama who laid out the plan for a responsible end of the war in Iraq. But that's not the whole story.

As we mark this milestone, let us remember the real history of Operation Iraqi Freedom and give credit where credit is due – to the American service members, their families and a commander in chief who would not accept defeat in the face of withering criticism at home and abroad."

For those on the battlefield, the question is also real. Were their sacrifices worth it? Does this milestone mean people will lose sight of what needs to be done in Iraq? Those are some of the questions The Baltimore Sun posed to soldiers, including Army Spc. Craig Yingling, who served in Operation Iraqi Freedom and shared his thoughts.

"When we perform missions, we still wear full combat gear and go out armed? We still take incoming fire and the threat is still VERY REAL. Soldiers are still risking their lives on a daily basis.

I had an opportunity to talk to a few people this [past] weekend who were very [grateful] for my service and extremely happy that it’s over. It’s not over — we are still there and will remain there at least till the end of next year. That is the deadline for all troops: December 2011."

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  1. gar

    Was it worth 4,400 American lives, a half-million dead Iraqis, and 3.5 TRILLION DOLLARS? No frigging way.

    August 31, 2010 at 1:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Gretchen

      Considering you're sitting in front of your computer, free to make such selfish remarks as this and suffer no consequence...I'd say this is a SMALL sacrifice compared to what could have been.

      August 31, 2010 at 3:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • MikeMaz

      Totally not worth it.

      August 31, 2010 at 3:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • RkyMtnMan

      NO! A non-threat cost this country more than just trillions, but thousands of our finest people! Only if we occupy, sanitize, and keep ALL the oil for use for our interests and here would it start to look like a reasonable deal.

      August 31, 2010 at 4:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Will S

      Gretchen: What could have been? What exactly do you think "could have" happened? Iraq never had WMD and, as a secular regime, opposed OBL, so what exactly do you think "could have" happened? Please, enlighten us.

      August 31, 2010 at 4:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Alley Oops

      What "could have been"?
      Iraq was not a significant threat to the US. It didn't have the WMDs.

      Bush and cabinet members lied when they told us they knew Saddam had WMDs and Rummy even told us we knew exactly where they were located.
      Bush also lied when he told us he was a man of peace and would only invade Iraq as a "last resort".
      Bush also lied (i.e. deliberately presented as true something he knew to be false) about the whole yellow cake fiasco as a way to get us into the war.
      Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 except that when 9/11 happened the Bush administration decided that with the American people scared, it would provide good cover for the invasion of Iraq that they had been planning before Bush was ever elected.

      Was it worth it? We get nothing positive in exchange for only several Billion dollars, several thousand Americans dead, tens of thousands of Americans seriously injured and hundreds of thousands if not millions of wasted person-years. No, it clearly wasn't worth. In fact, it was a worse disaster to the US than the 9/11 attacks themselves. George "Our troops are cannon fodder" Bush ought to stand trial as a war criminal.

      August 31, 2010 at 4:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Harold Trainer, USAF RET

      What a waste. It was worth zero, nada, and we are still there and we will be still fighting and Ricks in the Gamble says the worst is yet to come. Congress, Bush and now Obama need to be held responsible. And, ironically Iraq caused the present conditions in Afghanistan by taking too much from Afghanistan when we had it under some control. Someone should be tried and shot.

      August 31, 2010 at 4:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • jce3227

      There not leaving, they're taking a leave of absence. In two yrs, the GOP will manipulate the gullible and ignorant into letting them back in charge, and about a month after inaugeration day, they will be going into IRAN. Afterall, Iran has a cool new remote control plane we have to take out..

      August 31, 2010 at 4:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nate

      Considering there were no nuclear weapons in Iraq or known ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda, I think it's safe to say there was no "what could have been."

      August 31, 2010 at 4:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Patty

      For all the men, women, husbands, wives, sons and daughters her gave their lives....It WAS worth it to their families. Don't say it wasn't.

      August 31, 2010 at 4:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • adam hunter

      The Chinese are happy because of all the interest that is now owed to them on the loans for this farce.

      August 31, 2010 at 4:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Adam - Chicago

      "What could have been?"
      We're further in debt than EVER, The country is largely considered unstable and NEVER will be, we lost 4,400 lives. What this nutty story you have about what COULD have been. With 3.5 trillion bucks we coulda had bridges that don't collapse, schools with 5 kids per teacher and an economy not circling the toilet. Do you realize that war cost $14,000 for every man, woman and child in the US?

      August 31, 2010 at 4:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • AJB

      @Patty, You really believe that anyone who lost a loved one in that illegal, unnecessary war thinks it was worth it? You honestly think that given the choice of invading Iraq and losing a loved one or not invading and keeping that person alive that they would have chosen what they now have as a result?

      August 31, 2010 at 4:36 pm | Report abuse |

      I agree – lives and treasure wasted because Bush Junior has "daddy" issues. Stupid Republican warmongers – you not only wrecked our country you wrecked the world. Bush "junior" – WORST president ever.

      August 31, 2010 at 4:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • GB

      @Gretchen ... what would have been different if we hadn't gone to Iraq? Yes, Saddam Hussein was bad, but he was no direct threat to us. Likewise our presence has invoked and bolstered a terrorist presence that has been at least as bad as Hussein was. Iraq was a war of opportunity for Bush. Period. We caused the problems. We actually justified much of what Al Qaeda represents.

      No. This war wasn't worth it. And it distracted us from committing enough support to Afghanistan to get that job done as quickly and cleanly as possible. So in the end that has turned into even more a mire, too.

      August 31, 2010 at 4:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • David

      Nothing comes from violence and nothing ever will....

      August 31, 2010 at 4:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nelson

      @Patty and @Gretchen and possibly others:

      You are getting a couple of concepts mixed up. One of them is "owing a lot to the troops" and the other is "was the war worth it?". As far as the first one is concerned, yes, of course. The U.S. owes a great deal to its troops, who were sent abroad to fight a war. No doubt there. Now, for the second one, you have to ask yourselves: "what has this war in Iraq accomplished? Was it a justified war? Has it made anyone safer? Was it even a good investment, financially speaking?". I'm afraid you'll find the answer to all of these will be "nothing" and "no". This was a war based on lies that de-stabilized an entire region and cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of people, most of whom were innocent. There were no WMDs. Saddam Hussein, despite being a dictator, kept the place relatively stable, free of Al-Qaeda terrorists. Imagine how much more all these trillions of dollars spent there could have done in places such as Afghanistan or Pakistan. Those are the places where the real, justifiable war is.

      August 31, 2010 at 4:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Adam - Chicago

      @ Sam:
      I truly thank you for your commitment and sacrifice in Vietnam. Unfortunately your efforts didn't prevail and the world did not become communist. No more than the "babies will be aborted" and "Muslims will dominate our country and we will suffer the wrath of God." This is a story you're telling, liberate yourself and get present to what is, not what you think will be. Fear mongering is what leads to regretful (and horribly expensive) decisions.

      August 31, 2010 at 4:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • MToussaint

      What did we gain for invading Iraq? Saddam had no WMDs, was harboring no Al Queda operatives and was contained. If Iraqi people hated Saddam and wanted to overthrow him then they should have given THEIR lives to do it for THEIR country, but as it was he was no threat to us. Okay, so we spent trillions of dollars and lost thousands of our most valuable American assests...her brave American men and women, and for what? What did we gain? Nothing.

      August 31, 2010 at 5:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Keith_Chicago

      Gretchen is obviously the village idiot. Iraq didn't threaten our freedom. Whether or not we invaded them and took out Sadaam Hussein, we'd still be sitting in front of our computers free to comment on our nation's acts of war. The fear of "what could have been" is all that the Republicans have. They scare people into supporting their greed driven agenda of warfare and oil exploration at all cost- even over 4,000 American citizens. The reasons for going to war with Iraq in the first place were lies. The Bush administration even tried to push a tie to Osama bin Laden in order to gain support. All of the justifications that were given have been disproven. We, as a nation, are far LESS SAFE than before. The ENTIRE WORLD, including many muslims, were in favor of our justified war in Afghanistan. The Iraq war painted our nation in a totally different light in the eyes of the world (and especially the muslim world). We're leaving a nation worse off than how we found it. And Gretchen, the village idiot, thinks it was worth it and calls the THOUSANDS of American lives lost a "small sacrifice". Tell me...what was the sacrifice for? I don't know a single person on Earth who can tell me what we gained from the "sacrafice".


      August 31, 2010 at 5:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • DenInNewYork

      We strengthened Iran and Hezbollah and paid 4,400 lives and 3 trillion dollars to do it. And goshdarnit, they STILL don't like us.

      August 31, 2010 at 5:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • amigay

      Gretchen...even if we had not invaded Iraq, I'd still be able to sit in front of my computer, free to make such selfish remarks as this and suffer no consequence. Has YOUR life changed now that Saddam is gone? Did he affect it in any way while alive? We accomplished NOTHING of benefit to the US but we paid dearly.

      August 31, 2010 at 5:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • shawn l

      Completely not worth it. It wasnt worth the life of one of our troops, much less 4500. Why did we go in there? We still don't know why.

      August 31, 2010 at 5:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • operation iraqi freedom

      agreed. anyone who argues that it was worth it, doesn't have a clue. This isn't a dig at our soldiers and what they have done – but rather an acknowledgment that if we had to do this all over again we definitely should not. I'm actually flabbergasted that some people think this war was worth it. crazy

      August 31, 2010 at 5:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • G D B

      We're all obviously at our computers, but that doesn't stop us from thinking freely. Yellow cake, weapons of minimal destruction, unfounded ties to Al Queda that now do exist as a result of the lack of security, and a non-unified Iraq. Sure, sounds like success by any standard, except one that's truthful.

      August 31, 2010 at 5:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • cedarrapids

      'Babies will be aborted, Biblical marriage will be history. Muslims will dominate our country and we will suffer the wrath of God. We did indeed need to go to war to defend our freedom and also defend Israel. God help us if we ever turn our backs on the chosen people of God'
      ah brilliant stuff, thanks sam, i needed a good chuckle on a slow afternoon. classic stuff.

      August 31, 2010 at 5:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jerry

      My life didnot change for the better. But the Iraqi's did; thanks to the selfless service of our volunteer forces.

      August 31, 2010 at 5:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • stubs

      Its funny how Libs love the troops when they can use their lives to put pressure on Bush... any other time they are just murderous, power hungry thugs.

      August 31, 2010 at 5:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tony

      only time will tell if it was truly worth it or not.
      in the current state, no, of course not; however, if iraq does stablize in the future with our help and grows into a strong democracy then we stand to gain a strong ally in the middle east and would definitely make this all worth it

      August 31, 2010 at 5:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kansas Knows

      Alley Oops – What about covering Picasso's Guernica at the United Nations during Powell's presentation attempting to persuade them to send in combat troops?

      August 31, 2010 at 5:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Ramirez

      ABSOLUTELY NOT WORTH IT. Thanks for having the courage to express the fact. I am a HUGE supporter of the military and have been there myself and this entire op was FUBAR from the beginning. En

      August 31, 2010 at 5:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joel

      It absolutely, positively, totally wasn't worth it, for the many reasons that the posters have listed. It is a terrible tragedy for those who lost family members there, unthinkably tragic. George Bush and Dick Cheney should be arrested and held responsible for those lost lives. They went in there knowing there were no WMD's and knowing that it had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. They should be behind bars.

      August 31, 2010 at 5:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Marcelo

      You must consider that we didnt just dethrone Saddam, but fought al-qaeda directly, and defeated them both on the field and also in idiology. Al-Qaeda was gaining a lot of support in the early days of the war, but eventually they showed their true colors. Their murderous and barbaric acts turned off the arab street and showed everyone that they did not offer anything better. Support for al-qaeda has diminished tremendously, and the U.S. proved that it was not the "paper tiger" that they claimed. Unfortunately for the Iraqi's these war was fought on their land and it did bring a lot of death and destruction to their country, but they do have a chance to figure out what it is that they are going to do with their country, it was always known that once saddam was removed from power, you risked a civil war, but that is something that neither the US nor anyone else can resolve, it must be resolved by the Iraqi's themselved. Hopefully they do, and restore their country, so that they can be proud of it again.

      August 31, 2010 at 6:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Brian

      Not at all worth it. @ Jerry "My life didn't change for the better. But the Iraqi's did; thanks to the selfless service of our volunteer forces." Are you serious? Their lives have changed for the better? We now face a possible theocracy in the mirror image of Iran in the country who will take away more rights than the Dictator Hussein and ultimately be a bigger threat to the world. Also @Stubbs Apparently, anyone who thinks for him or herself and doesn't believe in needlessly wasting lives, national resources, and world standing is now a "liberal"

      August 31, 2010 at 6:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • PMD

      Gretchen, what could have been? Saddam doesn't have WMD and he's not friends with Al Qaeda, so what could have been. I know, we could have been using Saddam to stand up against Iran, who is a bigger threat. Sam, don't you know that there are Christians in Iraq and Saddam's foreign minister was a Christian. Also, Sam, the Christians in Iraq are one of the earliest Christians, long before the Europeans became Christians. Now, what happened to them after we took Saddam out? Do your research.

      August 31, 2010 at 6:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • greenhands

      NO, NO, NO, no war worth it.
      Where is BUSH hiding??? is he ashame yet?? his GOD asked him to do so??
      Obama please end all wars.

      August 31, 2010 at 7:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sonny

      Wait a minute. Set aside whether Iraq will be stable or not. Democracy in Iraq doesn't mean that country would be friendly to the USA. Don't forget, Iran elected their President twice, okay, the second one may be rigged, but still he was elected democratically, and Iran is not friendly to us. Don't ever forget that Hitler was elected as well.

      August 31, 2010 at 7:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • David

      Bush and Cheneys friends and family at Haliburton and other private security firms probably thought it was worth it, for everyone else though a resounding NO.

      August 31, 2010 at 7:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • rrock

      What would have happen without the war? A bad guy in Iraq to counter balance Iran and cause irritation to Bush and not much else. The war cost trillions of dollars causing many thousands to be killed and injured resulting in an unstable government which is now a haven for Al Qaida.

      August 31, 2010 at 7:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mark

      @Gretchen, if you think that even one troop being killed in combat, nevermind the 4400+others, is a "Small Sacrifice", you should have your head examined. Every single time a troop is killed in any war, it is the greatest sacrifice. Do I believe that this was was worth the cost, no I dont.

      August 31, 2010 at 7:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dr. X

      No. maybe if the casualities of the towels were 100 or more per American Casualty

      August 31, 2010 at 7:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • PB

      When living through the Vietnam adventure, I never thought I would see an action that made less sense than Vietnam. Now we have.

      At least in Vietnam, the S. Vietnamese government (as corrupt as it was) REQUESTED the U.S. for assistance. Last time I looked, the Nuremburg Tribunal declared that for a country to invade another country, no matter how concerned the country considering invading is with the threat that may appear to them to exist, to invade the country that has not ACTUALLY acted on the perceived threat, the action would be a War Crime.

      August 31, 2010 at 7:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • ficheye

      Gretchen: You'd have to elaborate on 'what could have been' since Saddam Hussein had no WMD's and was not part of 911 in any way. Not to mention that the Iraqis hated al Qaeda, so it was a hostile environment to say the least. We went there because George Bush couldn't wait to kick someones behind so he found the first bad guy and went after him. Your mindless protection of the military forces extends to helping them out when they come home all screwed up after killing people for no reason. I believe that is one of the root causes of PTSD.

      August 31, 2010 at 7:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tarlton

      I'm betting that "Gretchen" is also a Republican who is "FED UP" with out of control Government spending. Thanks, Gretchen, for 8 years of one of the worst presidents/administrations in American history. And news flash: your hero Bush spent a boatload of money and GREATLY expanded the same government that you now routinely attack. People like you should be stripped of your voting rights on account of rampant stupidity. But don't cry, Rush, Sean, and Glenn will make it all better.

      August 31, 2010 at 8:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Harry

      HELL NO!!!!!!! If Gretchen's child was killed she would be singing a whole different tune. How did the war in Iraq help my freedom? It didn't!! We should have been in Afganistan from day one! Why is Osama Bin Laden (the real orchestrator of 9/11) still walking this planet? Because Mr. Bush had to have a war in Iraq just like his daddy and used the premiss of WMD's to get his war. Shame on you Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney and Mr. Paul Wolfowitz you all have blood on your hands. May all three of you burn in the fires of hell for eternity.

      August 31, 2010 at 8:09 pm | Report abuse |
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      August 31, 2010 at 8:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • elidude

      Was it worth 4,400 American lives, countless maimed for life and 100's of 1,000's of Iraqi lives? Sure, we got them weapons of mass destruction. What? There were no WMD's? Ooops. Our bad.

      August 31, 2010 at 8:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • David

      Iraq was a folly. It was GW's follly. It consumed our focus while Osama Bin Laden escaped into the hills, North Korea and Iran became significant nuclear threats, we lost reputation around the globe, our economy fell off a cliff and the middle class of America entered into abject serfdom to the big bank ceo's, pacific rim manufacturing moguls and chinese currency control kahunas. Now we have Obama calling an end to "the war" after spending 3 trillion bucks on far-left policies. Fellow Americans, our hearts and souls are indentured to those from both parties who would put ideology ahead of our interests, those who would pander, cajole and beg their agendas into being in the void of darkness that is becoming our future. Basically, we are owned and sold by ivy leaguers who live above the fray of the common family with common concerns. Does anyone out there in a position of influence truly hold a place in their heart for the poor slob who's alarm clock goes "bmmmmmmmmmmpppppppppppppp" at 6 AM and whose kids need shoes and a college education in the face of lond odds? Say a prayer for the pretender ...

      August 31, 2010 at 8:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      Yeah, you guys want to talk about "the surge" all night, but you know, we wouldn't have needed the freakin' surge if Rumsfield wasn't so incompetent. If Gates had been there instead we would have been out of there a long time ago...

      August 31, 2010 at 8:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • veggiedude

      Was it worth it to destabilize the middle east? We needed Saddam. He was a necessary monster. Under him, Iran was scared and Iraq was a secular nation. Today, Iraq is bordering on theological governance with a heavy influence from the Shiite radicals in Iran.

      August 31, 2010 at 8:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • John C

      I disagree... It WAS worth it.
      To the hundred of contractors that did horrible hack construction jobs for 3-5 times the rate in pay – It was worth it.
      To the people in Washington with stocks in defense and personal 'pet projects' making loads of money – It was worth it.

      You see... It might not be worth it to us, but we're just part of a Plutocracy. Wealthy people made sure to make Iraq a healthy Capitalist venture and for all intents an purposes it has made a lot of people very wealthy indeed!

      August 31, 2010 at 8:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • aub2110

      can someone give me a true number on how much obama has spent since being elected?

      August 31, 2010 at 8:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • rickinmo

      Are you delusional? Vietnam was a mistake–I served there too, and history has judged it to be a mistake. In one paragraph you claim that Muslims are taking over our country and we will suffer the wrath of god. In the next paragraph you claim to be a real American who believes in the freedom to worship god. I assume your writing about your god and not the Muslim god. Gee, that's real American! You are trying to blame Obama for our deficits. It's going to take a lot of money to fix the mess Republicans left behind. Obama didn't start this snowball rolling down the hill–take a look at Bush and his cronies. There you'll find the real culprits!

      August 31, 2010 at 9:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Carlos

      And what did we accomplish in those nine years?

      August 31, 2010 at 9:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Complete Waste

      Total utter waste. We destroyed life and wasted precious lives and resources. A house of cards built on a stack of lies.

      August 31, 2010 at 9:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tony Tecza

      No. Not worth it.
      This, War with Irag was unfounded and an atrocious embarkment by George W. Bush.
      Confllict of interest was the easiest choice by "OUR, POTUS" at the time
      Leaving Irag is the greatest decision of all time.
      US occupation, In Iraq, is a negative.
      Does the greatest Country of all time, believe that, occupying another Country prove beneficial?
      The time is now, for The United States Government, to provide for the Citizens that elected you.

      August 31, 2010 at 9:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike Johnson

      Patty ... wrong ... to the vast majority of them ... it was not worth it. Turn off Rush and and turn on common sense.

      August 31, 2010 at 9:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • andrew curtis

      I am a republican. That being said, Iraq was clearly not worth it for America. We wasted hundreds of billions of dollars, and a significant (but surprisingly low, compared to other wars, number of lives). Further, I have never once heard the Iraqis say thank you for freeing them from Saddam, and spending billions on infrastructure for them. Yet all that being said, it may be that the seeds of democracy we have planted there, and the seeds of modernalization, may yet bear fruit (albeit perhaps 20 years from now).

      August 31, 2010 at 9:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dude

      For Cheney and a few other 'contract' winners this was well worth it. Reportedly, there were billions they milked from the defense department. So, what now? North Korea DOES have nukes. Lets invade them...Oh wait. We only bully the weaks now a days and it also helps if they are muslim, then we can use the terrorism label.

      August 31, 2010 at 9:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Brandon

      No way was it worth it. Not in any way imaginable. We got into this war based on lies about Sadam having WMDs. Even if those lies had been true, it's still not our job to police the world. It has bankrupted our country. Divided us even more politically. Cost thousands of our brave troops their lives and injured tens of thousand of others. It has made us an even bigger target of hatred and extremism abroad. Worst of all hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians lost their lives and millions had their way of life crippled for the foreseeable future. No sane and reasonable person could ever come to the conclusion that this war was, in any way, shape, or form, worth it.

      August 31, 2010 at 9:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike Johnson

      Andrew Curtis: The reason the Iraqis have not said thank you ... is because the vast majority of them were much better of under Saddam then they are now... they had reasonable prosperity and security as long they kept out of opposite politics .. it is part of their culture and they did not mind. That all changed when the Texas idiot decide to use the US military to settle his personal differences with Saddam.

      August 31, 2010 at 9:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • kklinkz

      Better get your numbers straight. The 7 years of war in IRAQ cost less then the 865 billion dollar stimulus bill. THATS FROM THE CBO!! OBAMA !!

      August 31, 2010 at 10:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • sfsocla

      Couldn't agree more, hell no it wasn't worth it. I love how the number of wounded and mutilated is never discussed.

      August 31, 2010 at 10:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bruce Whitesell

      I AGREE! NO WAY!

      August 31, 2010 at 10:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • JC

      Could we look at this from a strategic point of view for a minute. When America is attacked by an enemy that it cannot find, we had to draw them out. An ancient tenant of war is...If you must draw the enemy out, take something they love. We took to holy lands of Iraq. We drew the enemy out from all parts of the middle east and distroyed them. We did not end the war quickly, because we did not want to. We killed thousands of terrorists with our military over there, instead of thousands of terroists killing tens of thousands of American civilians over here. God bless our boys.

      August 31, 2010 at 11:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tuck

      @ David 4:40pm
      I know you're bumming that no one caught the Sting reference 🙂 Great song.

      August 31, 2010 at 11:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jeff E

      I haven't been exceptionally happy with Obama, but he's done much better than Bush. I think he should spend more time on jobs and the economy. But come on people, did you not learn anything the last 8 yrs before Obama? What's it going to take? Obama and Democrats didn't create all of these problems. And do you really want these insane Rev. Hagee/Glenn Beck/Rush Limbaugh/Boehner/Bachman nuts in control of anything??? LOL..

      This is kind of a no brainer. Do you want a war in Iran, when we can deal with them with a few missiles and world isolation, embargo's, blockade's, and be much more successful? I guarantee you they will start another war in Iran. I guarantee you they will underfund and take from the SS trust fund until it's gone. I guarantee you that they will keep bringing in illegal labor and outsourcing other labor, just to destroy the middle class and poor.

      Wake up people, I find it unbelieveable that I have to state the absolute obvious to anyone with an actual brain. But if you vote Republican or Tea party, you're a very stupid, and an easily manipulated moron, that is, if you don't have some kind of agenda. Of course all you see is their commercials and lies, of course they run the message boards, think people, they have to do that stuff, because they're wrong, and they know it. Stop being conned, and grow a brain of your own..

      Of course this message is going to get more thumbs down, think people, they (the special interests) pay their people through the tea party to spend day in and out in these forums, to control and manipulate idiots. Grow your own brain, study and read the issues, and make your own decisions, that's what they fear, and that's why they do what they do. They know they're wrong and evil, and they know they have to lie and slander to win, wake up, and do your own thinking, if you ever do, they will never again have power!!! Just try posting anything on AOL or YAHOO right now, and see what happens, tell the truth, like I just did, and see what happens. Come on people, you have to ask yourself, if they thought they were right, would they be censoring comments like that? Of course not, read, learn, think for yourselves!!!

      August 31, 2010 at 11:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • TC


      If you're going to lie about being a Marine, you might want to note that it's "Semper Fi". I don't know a single actual Marine that would make that mistake.

      August 31, 2010 at 11:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • David, Tampa

      Just EXACTLY what in your opinion would have hasppened GRETCHEN???

      September 1, 2010 at 12:26 am | Report abuse |
    • Ladislav Nemec, Big Bear, CA

      Agree 100%.

      September 1, 2010 at 12:29 am | Report abuse |
    • Tomrior134

      Ask the dead guys if it was worth it.

      September 1, 2010 at 12:37 am | Report abuse |
    • Cuadrose

      NO it wasn't worth it! There is no success here. Iraq didn't attack us. The Bush Administration lied, not just once but over and over again. He sacrificed the lives of others for their personal vendetta and gain. Bush claimed God told him to do it and many believed that hogwash. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, etc., etc., are WAR CRIMINALS. The saddest thing is that they will never be tried for their crimes. They are laughing all the way to the bank at the expense of our men and women in uniform, their husbands, wives and children, their extended family who will never see 4400+others ever again. Those who come home from war will never be the person their family knew them to be before they went to war. Those with PTSD will have to deal with it for the rest of their lives because Bush lied and the American people, many of them bought his pimping of the name of God and his 'patriotism' crap. Those who lost limbs will never recover them, those who lost their sight won't ever see again. Children will never know their mother or father all due to Bush's lies. No, it will never be worth it. Bush has created more danger for this country than any threats that he ever eliminated.

      September 1, 2010 at 12:44 am | Report abuse |
    • fuelmech

      Most you folks are Morons, so they had no WMD's or maybe not a direct threat to us, but Sadam and his cronies murdered hundred of thousands of there own people, innocent Iraqis murdered, but I guess you folks don't care cause it didn't effect you in your little house in the suburbs.

      September 1, 2010 at 1:13 am | Report abuse |
    • DoggSho

      @ Patty and others alike, you seem to have misconstrued or misappropriated two very polarizing concepts. To say what you're saying, that "the war was worth the lives of our troops", -and that, is exactly what you're saying, (though it may not be what you're trying to say). In essence you're saying that their precious, GOD giving lives was indeed worth the horrible death of a failed, unjustified, bankrupting, and deliberate mis-informative (about WMD) war. The "people responsible "for sending our troops over there, are the ones who not only owe our troops, but also have our troops blood upon their hands! Why, because the only ones to actually benefit from this mess is the same few people responsible for sending our sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, and or loved ones to their untimely deaths. So, no, everybody don't owe my killed loved one, because everyone didn't send him to Iraq to be killed, and then benefit from his death, and no, the war was not worth it, and never would have been -even for all the the dirty oil in the world.

      September 1, 2010 at 1:14 am | Report abuse |
    • dj

      on the bright side North Korea HAS WMDs so the batting average could hit .500 !

      September 1, 2010 at 1:36 am | Report abuse |
    • TheTraveler

      NO way it was worth it. Can anyone say what was gained? American and Iraqi lives were lost, trillions in dollars spent, the ability of the US to deal with a more serious situation in Afghanistan was compromised. The list goes on.

      And the worst thing, IMHO, G.W. Bush got away with it. The man is a criminal and should be tried in the World Court for his crimes against humanity, then tried again in US Court for lying to the American people.

      September 1, 2010 at 1:43 am | Report abuse |
    • Haliburton is the only Winner

      The only true winner here was Haliburton and Dick and the rest of the Stockholders for that company.
      Oh and the Oil company's too and their Stockholders.
      Nothing like a quick Closed door Oval office meeting with all the big Oil CEO's right before the WMD's were "Gasp Discovered"

      September 1, 2010 at 1:44 am | Report abuse |
    • wolf

      not just NO but HELL NO!!!!!!!!!! It was not worth the lives lost and the sorrow of those left behind... for what????

      September 1, 2010 at 2:04 am | Report abuse |
    • Rich

      Was it worth it? Absolutely, especially if you're Dick Cheney, CDM, or Haliburton.

      September 1, 2010 at 2:55 am | Report abuse |
    • GI Joe

      Totally worth it.

      September 1, 2010 at 3:44 am | Report abuse |
    • presta24

      I think what Patty was saying is, god bless those brave enough to fight for our country even if they dont agree with the war. Without those people we would be eating brie. Those people and their families knew the risk when they enlisted. I take my hat off to all of them!!

      September 1, 2010 at 4:16 am | Report abuse |
    • lgo

      This is the dummy who adamantly voted AGAINST the surge. Now that we have won the war, and democracy in Iraq (and amongst the Kurds) is thriving, he criticizes the war.

      I'm sure he'll bow to Achmadenajad next - maybe kiss his rear.

      September 1, 2010 at 6:32 am | Report abuse |
    • rowan

      no it wasnt worth it. not to this nation,who are still paying for it and will be for yrs to come. not for the vets that came home to NO homes,no support,maimed, and no jobs. not to the country of iraq,who are no better off than they were. but bush and cheney did well for themselves.. oil is up and haliburton made record proffets. war proffeteering at its finest and not one question or investigation made.

      September 1, 2010 at 6:44 am | Report abuse |
    • rowan

      not to garbut to gretch, guess who else is sitting safelybehind their computer? noit wasnt worth it.the onlypeople who benefitted from this war,bush and cheney. oil is up( good for bush) and haliburton is in high cotton( good for cheney. war proffeteering at its finest and not one investigation made,not one word said by a bankrupt country.

      September 1, 2010 at 6:54 am | Report abuse |
    • frank

      The question still remains, Why did we go to war? Read the 911 Commission, it has nothing about links between Al-Qaeda or Iraq. Second, we never found weapon of mass destruction. Third, it could have not been about oil because our government is not in the oil business, they could not sell the oil if they wanted too. Fourth, this war cost money and the only way to pay is to tax the American people. On the last note, God bless our troops and the ones that lost their lives serving our country. Thank our troops whenever you see one.

      September 1, 2010 at 6:58 am | Report abuse |
    • Spfix

      An undeclared war fought under false pretenses, costing billions in US treasure, what was left of our international reputation, and thousands of killed and injured on both Iraqi and American sides – can there be any doubt – NO WAY!

      September 1, 2010 at 7:05 am | Report abuse |
    • PMD

      Igor, do you really think that the surge of 20,000 troops made all the difference, not the 100,000 who were already there. The ethnic vaiolence between the Sunnis, Shia, Kurds, and Christians are still there. We did not settle anything. Do you really think that we can stop their thousand year old dispute with just 20,0000 troops. The temporary drawdown in violence was primarily due to the surge of MONEY that we gave to the Iraqi Tribal leaders.

      September 1, 2010 at 7:11 am | Report abuse |
    • RichG

      I agree! Don't get me wrong I love the service men and women who served and who are still serving, but if democracy fails in Iraq then it was all for nothing.

      September 1, 2010 at 7:31 am | Report abuse |
    • Bob123

      The GOP wants to give Bush/Cheney credit for the surge. Will they also give them credit for the billions of U S taspayer dollars it will cost to maintain a presence in Iraqi and keep the government stable? Who will take credit for passing the cost of this war on to the younger generation by the passing of tax cuts?

      September 1, 2010 at 7:52 am | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      Exactly right. This was just Bush Jnr showing off to his daddy.

      September 1, 2010 at 7:53 am | Report abuse |
    • michael westfall

      Agreed. No way was this war worth the losses. I am tired of seeing the flag of Michigan at half-mast. My son has never seen it any other way.

      September 1, 2010 at 11:33 am | Report abuse |
    • An American

      Toooo many times this "Argument" is turned towards the freedom we have here in the States...this war/invasion has nothing to do with us americans lossing our was not worth the money or the lives given...period. There were other ways of taking care of the problem of a "unwanted" leader. and fixing a country. Now if you really think this is "THE END" of this mess...think again.

      September 1, 2010 at 2:21 pm | Report abuse |
  2. La Piovra

    No. No. Hell, no! We dishonored ourselves, we beggared ourselves, and we broke a nation we can't fix,while Iran and the Taliban have gotten stronger, Al Khaeda more credible, and Haliburton, Bechtel, and Blackwater wealthier and more dangerous. If only we could put the rose back on the rosebush!

    August 31, 2010 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Harold Trainer, USAF RET

      It is ironic that Iran will come out the winner in this mess. Just what we wanted, right???

      August 31, 2010 at 4:10 pm | Report abuse |
  3. American Patriot

    RECAPP: Iraq has Weapons of Mass Destruction. FALSE AS WE ALL WERE TOLD.
    Sadam has Chemical weapons and mobil Labs. FALSE AS WE ALL WERE TOLD.

    Alquida is in Iraq and Terrists even though Government reports showed NONE.

    Then there were INSURGENTS in Iraq. Yes it went from Terrists to insurgents.

    Iraqi Soccer Team plays in Olympics and George Bush uses them in campaing add when running for Re-Election.
    The Players asked they not be mentioned by BUSH.

    They stated there are no Insurgents there, just their friends and neighbors who are fighting the U.S. Troops to leave.

    What CNN and other Media Propaganda Networks put out is Half Truths and do not want you to remember these things.

    ( years of war and they want another 10 to 15 years of war.

    President Obummer and this CORRUPT administration will Attack IRAN.

    War is big business and helps the Economy.

    When will WE THE PEOPLE start holding these self indulgent people accountable and start marching them off to Jail.


    August 31, 2010 at 2:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • PMD

      Who's corrupt? The President who started the war and had his buddies got most of the profits or the President who wants to end the war?

      August 31, 2010 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike Wong

      what the hell are you talking about. If Bushy and his Republican goons didn't start the Iraq war in the first place, Obama wouldn't have to clean up Bushy's mess...

      August 31, 2010 at 5:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Equisrider

      No WMDs. that is not what this Iraqi general said.

      August 31, 2010 at 5:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sonny

      Okay, let's have some 20/20 hindsight. Saddam's Iraq was very weak. Yes, Saddam had raged war against Iran, but apparantly, years of sanction and no-fly-zone patrol, has reduce Iraq to almost nothing. The only way Saddam could hold control of the country was by lying. So, he lied to his people, lied to the international community that he had WMD. I guess it scared Iran not to take advantage of Iraq's weakness and attracted US to invade them. I wonder why Ahmadinajeh don't just give President Bush a big fat kiss. "Enemy of my enemy is my friend, until they eliminate my enemy all together"

      August 31, 2010 at 7:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Terry from West Texas

      No one wants to invade Iran. You are just having a paranoid fantasy. The president is winding down the war in Iraq. Obama seems to do things gradually rather than abruptly and dramatically. As long as the pullout is successful, let's let our leaders lead us.

      August 31, 2010 at 9:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • kklinkz

      Since when did a bowing and apologizing president ever attack anything!! OBAMA can't even attack BP for creating the GULF OIL SPILL!!

      August 31, 2010 at 10:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ladislav Nemec, Big Bear, CA

      Obama's administration is not THAT corrupt (as far as we know today). I hope that Obama is smarter than Cheney, Wolfowitz and Netanyahu who are itching to drop bombs on Iran accomplishing exactly nothing except strenghtening the current criminal regime...

      September 1, 2010 at 12:33 am | Report abuse |
  4. mnikell

    it was not worth one blood of the US where was the weapons of mass destruction maps showed at the UN security council

    August 31, 2010 at 2:30 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Sherekhan

    I wonder if George Bush was the worst president I have ever seen, or the best corporate pirate I've ever seen. There's no question about whether the war was worth it. It wasn't.

    August 31, 2010 at 2:36 pm | Report abuse |

      He IS the worst President ever – he makes Nixon, Grant, Harding, Carter, Buchanan look good. He even makes William Henry Harrison who was in office one month look good.

      August 31, 2010 at 4:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike Wong

      Bushy is the worst President ever!!!! Period!!!

      August 31, 2010 at 5:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Ramirez

      Bush sucked and so does Obama. We are in an era of lame and costly Presidential leadership... lets hope America survives it all.

      August 31, 2010 at 5:43 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Jabbowhaa

    I'll be concise here.

    If Iraq had been invaded by the United States earlier and it supplied Saddam with chemical WMD's, so on and so forth, then wouldn't that redouble our responsibility to intervene and clean up our mess?

    Saddam broke 4 international laws and killed nearly 2 million civilians. Surely more had we not intervened – no other dictator once supported by the US has such a record. None.

    The United States killed less than 150,000. No, the Lancett Report or the ORB study are totally false. Utter farces. Numerous peer studies at your disposal.

    For others, check out Christopher Hitchens on the Iraq war – he will answer any and all questions about it. Was against it before I found him.

    August 31, 2010 at 2:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • caeser

      I still don't follow your logic – why don't we just stop supporting dictators,and we won't have to kill that which we have created.

      August 31, 2010 at 3:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Brenda

      Why is it our responsibility and our money that has to be used to defend people of other countries?

      August 31, 2010 at 4:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • austinj

      Following your logic, we should invade Sudan, Turkey, and Chechnya while we should have invaded Rwanda. Let's face it, there is war and genocide everywhere. We do not have the capability nor the will to intervene in every conflict. The world is too big a place. The best we can do is serve as an example on how they should live, rather than forcing it upon them.

      August 31, 2010 at 4:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jerry

      Christopher Hutchins??? Well that is certainly an unbiased source.

      August 31, 2010 at 5:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • veggiedude

      All you've done is to explain why Iran was so afraid of him, and why the al queda dared not cross him. Sure, a lot of bad stuff happened under Saddam, but he allowed women to be educated as lawyers and doctors and even to drive cars and walk around as western women. Gays were tolerated and were not afraid to be out. Look at the nation today and tell me it is better now! Gays are murdered and women have to cover up! Will the new government have a Catholic high ranking minister like Saddam's government did? No way!!

      August 31, 2010 at 8:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jabbowhaa

      To anybody reading this post or to those who I'm replying to – this is my last reply on this thread, mainly because there's not much point except to those who take my comments seriously (those who've taken the time to reply to my initial statement)

      "I still don't follow your logic – why don't we just stop supporting dictators,and we won't have to kill that which we have created."
      - Well, I mean if slavery never existed, racism wouldn't be as ubiquitous in the United States today. If Hurricane Katrina never occurred, hundreds of people didn't have to die. If 9-11 never occurred, we never would've invaded Iraq or Afghanistan.

      If you can't control what's already happened, then control what hasn't happened.

      "Why is it our responsibility and our money that has to be used to defend people of other countries?"
      - Please, re-read my initial post. I've already responded.

      "Following your logic, we should invade Sudan, Turkey, and Chechnya while we should have invaded Rwanda. Let's face it, there is war and genocide everywhere. We do not have the capability nor the will to intervene in every conflict. The world is too big a place. The best we can do is serve as an example on how they should live, rather than forcing it upon them."
      - Well, no. Again, I've responded to you already in my initial post. If you had the slightest idea of what you're talking about, that you knew what Saddam has done and how his people have suffered under his rule, you wouldn't be professing that so lightly.

      Yes, maybe the US should set an example. No, even better – I think that the United States should negotiate terms with these jihadists who would love to see nothing more than the return of an Islamic caliphate.

      "Christopher Hutchins??? Well that is certainly an unbiased source."
      - I thought you needed enlightenment – which you clearly do, after misspelling his name and stating a fallacy. Of course he has an opinion! That's why you need to research him and his claims.


      "Sure, a lot of bad stuff happened under Saddam"
      - If you're content by simply stating that "a lot of bad stuff happened under Saddam" then you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

      Please – the immediate execution of anybody who owned a foreign newspaper and anybody who had a satellite dish? 100% of the population voting Saddam in as president for LIFE in their own blood? Forcing family members to watch video recordings of their loved ones?

      The sad thing is, I'm just barely getting started – seems like more than just "bad stuff" to me.

      September 1, 2010 at 5:30 am | Report abuse |
  7. Susan

    Was it worth losing 4,400 troops? Was it worth sticking our noses in a war that we did not belong in? Was it worth me losing my son last year. HELL NO! I am happy that FINALLY our troops are coming home. I am sad that my son did not make it home, but I AM AND ALWAYS WILL BE PROUD AND HONORED TO CALL HIM "SON". God Bless all our Troops and thank you for all you have done!

    And to are totally pathetic. The statement you made regarding American Rednecks, totally uncalled for. You need a lesson in respect! Respect for our American Troops!

    August 31, 2010 at 2:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • JD

      Susan, thank you for sharing your terrible loss. I have tears in my eyes as I write this, for you as well as the thousands of others who have suffered a loss that most of the people on this blog (including myself) can't even imagine.

      May God bless you and all others who have sacrificed so.

      August 31, 2010 at 4:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • p

      God Bless you Susan.
      Bless your son. Yours was the ultimate sacrifice.
      It was an unnecessary sacrifice for the Bush/Cheney administration, Halliburton and Big Oil, who regard precious sacred sons & daughters such as your to be nothing more than cannon fodder.
      Tragic. May you beloved son's memory live forever!

      August 31, 2010 at 4:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Shawn

      God Bless your son Susan and all the troops that have made sacrifices for this country, whether they were just or unjust wars.

      Impeach Bush!!!!! He has blood on his hands and oil in his pockets!!!

      August 31, 2010 at 4:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jen

      The Shurb and The Dick would have NEVER ended this illegal and immoral war. So sorry for all the lost lives and maimed bodies. It just breaks my heart to see so many wounded vetrans and fresh graves of soldiers.

      I hope The Shurb and The Dick are happy – they are the most hated Animals in the world. Their ill gotten fortunes are not enough to save their souls.

      August 31, 2010 at 4:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      Please don't blind yourself just because you are pro-troops and a flag was a was of time, resources and human life on both sides. Regrettably our friends and family died for nothing over there other then to support Bush and his fat cat buddies...we don't even get the reap the benefit of the oil we should have took.

      If anything America will not only be remembered as the country that tried to police the world for all the wrong reasons...but the country that didn't understand you are supposed to get something out of winning a war. We go nothing this time.

      August 31, 2010 at 4:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • FatSean

      If the troops were already enlisted when Bush lied to Congress and got this dishonorable war started, my condolences and thanks are un-ending.

      If people enlisted after the invasion and occupation began, well, sorry guys but you volunteered for that mess.

      And to all the soldiers who called me a traitor and coward for wanting the occupation of Iraq to end before they felt they had "won", don't get it twisted. The military fights for the citizens, what we say goes, don't try to guilt me with that "no freedoms without 100 bases and constant war" BS.

      Finally, the nightmare of Vietnam 2 is beginning to end.

      August 31, 2010 at 4:37 pm | Report abuse |

      My sympathy for your loss. I lost a brother in Vietnam. It still hurts.

      August 31, 2010 at 4:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • MToussaint

      Susan. Thank you for your sacrifice.

      You have given more than a mother can afford to give and your son has paid more than a son should have to pay. This is why, Susan, you and every other mother who has had to hold a neatly folded flag instead of their beloved child need to help us to take this country back. It doesn't take a Republican to run this country. It doesn't take a Democrat to run this country. All it takes is an average American with common sense and that is what we all must stand and fight for so that no more mothers need stand in front of an empty room devoid of their child to fight wars based on lies for political gain.

      G-d Bless you Susan.

      August 31, 2010 at 5:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Laurie

      Thank you Susan your son was a true patriot and an American HERO....he went in harms way and followed command. I know that this war did not have to happen. I know that untold tens of thousands including my nephew after 3 tours came home very injured. Bless them all, it is our job to support them all, the returning soldiers and their families. Take a few minutes and figure out how you can help.

      August 31, 2010 at 10:32 pm | Report abuse |
  8. wk

    There is no way in Hell we should have ever been in Iraq . Don't get me wrong , while I disagree withe the war , I strongly support the troops !!! Bring them ALL home soon .

    August 31, 2010 at 3:05 pm | Report abuse |
  9. chantel new york

    If President Bush was so rightous to start the war in Iraq, then he should send his two daughters Barbara and Jenna over to Iraq to fight among the poor and middle class.

    August 31, 2010 at 3:12 pm | Report abuse |
  10. rey

    as a vet of both wars. it wasnt worth it. an all volunteer military was over tasked with fighting two simultaneous wars. the taliban was all but dead before resource were diverted from afghanistan to iraq. now they are back. al queda wasnt in iraq before the war. THEY ARE NOW. saddam was a murdering dirt bag. but he was kept iran in check. now iran is a loose cannon with no one to stand in the way.

    August 31, 2010 at 3:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • PMD

      Rey, you're absolutely right. Now, Iran has no one to stand up against him in the region and Saddam's army and the Sunnis were once called Iraqi Insurgents, now they're called Islamist terrorist. The Republicans always brag that the surge in troops was the deciding factor in the war. It's not really the surge of troops, it's the surge of MONEY that the U.S. gave to the Iraqi tribal leaders to switch side.

      August 31, 2010 at 3:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • ybs

      Let's send more repugs there then! Cleansing dead braincells is not a crime! 🙂

      August 31, 2010 at 4:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike Wong

      I totally agree with you.

      August 31, 2010 at 5:31 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Greg Gilbert

    No it wasn't worth it. But I get sick of this political spin on the war. The dems were just as much for it as the repubs. We went in this together. Saying Iraq was Bush's war is like saying Vietnam was Kennedys war.

    August 31, 2010 at 3:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • p

      I don't know that it matters, but I think Viet Nam will always be thought of as LBJ's war.

      August 31, 2010 at 4:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike Wong

      the dem voted for the war in iraq because Bushy and his Republican goons lied to everyone!!! If Bushy told everyone his real reason for going to war with Iraq, do you think Dem will vote for the war? of course not!!!

      August 31, 2010 at 5:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chris Real

      It's a fact a lot of the Dems supported the war at first as well. No argument. They too were the target of the Bush/Cheney fear campaign... They fell for it, polls in 2003 indicate about 80% of America fell for it... Bush might be a an idiot, but a lot of the people around him sure weren't, not dumb at all. Just evil. Fortunately, as time went on and facts came out, the amount of support for the war from the left side of the aisle became almost extinct, which is the reason there are a whole lot of US soldiers finally coming home now from a place they shouldn't have been in the first place.

      August 31, 2010 at 5:37 pm | Report abuse |
  12. ybs

    If it were worth it, let's do it again!

    No fakking idiots (I.e. the GOP) would admit that it was a mistake. Let's invade Iran for WMDs & send these MFs there to fight! 🙂

    August 31, 2010 at 3:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • ybs

      Bush/Cheney let 7 years lapsed & missed the chance to pummel the Taliban & Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. $3.5T tab, 4.4K dead, >30K wounded. Now, we can't go after Iran.

      Boehner, if you & the GOP want to take credit for the Iraq surge, you are responsible for the $3.5T tab, 4.4K dead, >30K wounded; and for letting Osama bin escape.

      August 31, 2010 at 3:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jimmy Neutron

      Then pack your panties...and start heading over there buttwipe.

      August 31, 2010 at 3:50 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Da Professor

    Boehner must be drinking again?
    Next thing that Boehner will do is string up a banner in Congress stating – – – "Mission Accomplished Again"
    Can we ever trust the Repubs again before they send the right wing extremists packing?

    August 31, 2010 at 3:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • chris

      Hey there professor....what about the left wing extremist. They just squander money a different way. Give me a break!

      August 31, 2010 at 3:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Krista

      @Chris The programs the left "throws" money don't kill 4,400 of our soldiers and hundreds of thousands of civilians.

      August 31, 2010 at 6:00 pm | Report abuse |
  14. elrod

    first healthcare next iraq good show now for the economy hurrah OBAMA

    August 31, 2010 at 3:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike Wong

      stupid Bushy and his Repub goons!!!

      August 31, 2010 at 5:36 pm | Report abuse |
  15. lexgreen

    How do you "win" a war that was started after the false claim was made that Iraq was an imminent and dangerous security threat to the US. Only CNN could phrase a question like that: "was it worth it?"

    Our troops acquitted themselves well and bravely in Iraq, but they deserved better leadership.

    August 31, 2010 at 3:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • MikeMaz

      well said

      August 31, 2010 at 3:50 pm | Report abuse |
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