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CNN analysts take on Obama's Q&A session
CNN Security Analyst David Gergen said he believed Obama's press conference was "mostly passionless and, frankly, boring" until the mosque question.
There, he took a much clearer stand on the mosque than he has in the past.
CNN political analyst Roland Martin, however, criticized the summation, saying he is not looking for anyone in Washington to "enamor me."
However, Martin said, he would have liked to have seen Obama be clearer about Republicans setting up roadblocks, saying no and blocking progress.
"You know what? He's not an entertainer," Martin said of Obama. "He's the quarterback. He has to set the tone," Martin said.
CNN's John King, host of "John King U.S.A." said he was impressed by his "long, substantive answers" on several of the issues and noted that on some questions he spoke for three, six and seven minutes to address some of these issues.
Candy Crowley, host of CNN's "State of the Union," said she got the sense that Obama did not want the issue of the mosque to be raised, but everyone on the CNN panel seemed to agree that Obama was most passionate in addressing that specific issue.
CNN political analyst Donna Brazile speculated that Obama became so passionate because Muslim Americans died in 9/11 and have also given their lives in the cause for freedom.
King said he was concerned with U.S. troops who are Muslim.
"Look, there are Muslim troops serving under me, your commander in chief," King said, summating Obama's thoughts.
Crowley said while Democrats do not want the expiration of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy to be a major issue as November approaches, Obama reiterated his administration's stance that he wants them to expires for couples making more than $250,000, but not for the middle-class.
Borger, however, said she felt he seemed to leave room for compromise if he can get a jobs bill though Congress.
Addressing Martin's statement that he doesn't want politicians to entertain, Gergen said he doesn't, either. However, when Obama was on the campaign trail his tone, enthusiasm and message "stirred people's hopes."
But in Friday's address, Gergen said, Obama seemed more "professorial' and "there wasn't much electricity to it." At the beginning of the speech, he tried to rally Democrats with a "nakedly partisan" attack, Gergen said, but he has had trouble rallying his party of late.
"I think he hasn't found his voice again," Gergen said. "His voice isn't communicating in the same way."
Gergen thinks perhaps the newser lacked electricity because it carried on too long, more than an hour, noting it's tougher to "rifle-shot your message."
Obama seemingly was closer to using a shotgun, he said.
All of the CNN panelists seem to agree the Republicans are hammering Democrats on the economy.
Crowley said Obama seemed to say, "Well, OK, you can stick with us or you can go back to the people who caused this mess."
For Roland Martin, there is one key.
Obama "must stay on the offensive" about the GOP trying to block Democratic action on the economy.
Obama has to loudly voice this allegation and "give other Democrats the confidence to say it themselves, what they've done has made sense," Martin said.
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Mr. Gergen now is the time to put down the mic. You have become a downer in most of your comments. I know many of my friends agree, you now come across as a sour old man....
Because he's gone to criticizing the President, he is a sour old man. Quick everyone, stifle all opposition!
This guy brings new meaning to the word boring. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
I totally agree. Gergen is still acting like a poor looser since his girl Hillary lost the primary to Obama in 2008. He needs to either knock it off or put in his application over at Fox and Freaks! Mr. Gergen, you are still a Democrat, right?
Analyst just made a good point, Obamasaid he is is cutting taxes on 97% of taxpayers If more than 50% of taxpayers do not pay federal`income tax how how are their taxes being cut?. Another point needs to be stressed taxes are not being cut, they are not being increased, ie people will not have more money in their pocket if Bush policy extended, only less if they expire.
Joe, you need to turn off Fox News and educate yourself. Republicans want to permanently extend the Bush tax cuts. Obama and Democrats want to let them expire but pass new tax cuts for couples making less than $250,000 that are slightly greater than those expiring. The chart in this link shows the actual differences. The 2011 difference in the two plans is the Republican plan adds $36.8 billion more to the deficit than the Democratic plan.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2010/08/11/GR2010081106717.html
check this link. http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/1410.html
32% of Tax Returns (NOT individuals) have 0 or negative tax liability
Tee, it might be better to add on Tee to your name, so it's TeeTee. That reflects the quality of your observation a little better.
@Joe: You need to go back and review your 'new math.' You are mixing up various statistics and coming up with an incorrect answer. Less than 50% of the US population pays income taxes. That is because most people under 18 and many retirees don't make enough income to have to pay income tax. Of the 47% of the population that are paying income taxes, 97% of that group do not make more than $250,000 per year. The remaining 3%, who are doing pretty well, will see a tax increase.
Dale, Gergen is a SOUR OLD MAN. Tee was not just talking about this take on Obama's speech, he was saying that in general Gergen has become a complete downer. I can't even remember the last time he said something positive..
David Gergen is, and has been for many years, one of the most well respected political analysts in the business. He calls out Republicans and Democrats alike when he feels there is something amiss. Just because he is criticizing a policy that you favor doesn't mean he is sour. Be objective.
I was pleased with Roland Martin's response to David's "boring speech" comment. David has become so negative when talking about President Obama that it almost seems like he's jealous. Perhaps it's because he's not called on by the administration for his advice. David, get over it or move on.
What??? Gergen hit the nail right on the head. I was thinking the exact same thing before I read is comment about Obama being professorial. I appreciate Gergen's honesty. You don't tap your QB on the back or hinee when he throws a terrible pass. You smack him in the back of the head and tell him get it together. Obama was boring. And what Martin said about going on the offensive is 100% correct. The Reps are gift wrapping this thing with a bow by blocking the SB jobs bill. Obama need to step it up. He is acting like he is giving a lecture at Harvard. He need to stop teaching and start preaching.
CNN loses credibility each time David Gergen is introduced as an analyst. This guy is a smooth political operative whose mission is to bring down the president. I"ve followed his comments for a long time. Even if he's talking about the rain he will find a way to sneak in an insult at Obama. Gergen has not fooled me. What I don't understand is why Democrats have not taken him on.
I don't expect the President to "entertain" at a press conference. I think that the President has made significant progress since his inauguration. I am NOT a Democrat; I'm an independent from middle America. I think that anyone who expected that this administration (of any leader) would be able to turn around our economic mess in a year and a half has no sense of history. Look at how long it took us to get where we are, and consider how long it took us to get out of the Great Depression or to turn around the more recent recessions.
Regarding the mosque in New York, I think that many Americans are fearful of Muslims because of the nature of the terrorist movement. It is difficult to ascertain who is a terrorist based on appearances. However, I totally support the President's position on this issue. Consider that some group might want to build a Christian church a few blocks from the Oklahoma City bombing site. Would anyone have a problem with that? The perpetrators of that attack were raised as Christian Americans.
"The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself."
The American people are not "afraid" of Muslims as you say. It does not take a genius to figure out that building a mosque 2 blocks from ground zero in a place where Americans were attacked in the name of Islam will not serve the Imam's supposed goal of fostering tolerance and understanding. It is doing the opposite – it is making people more angry, re-opening healing wounds, and even helping to fuel anti-muslin feelings in America. Maybe that was the whole point.
Your association of Christianity to the Oklahoma City Bombing is specious in its reasoning. McVey did not claim that Christianity was the driving force behind his heinous act. His terrorist action was based on his domestic political views, not committed in the name of Christianity. However, the 9-11 terrorists claimed that they were acting in the name of Islam. And, yes, we should fear followers of Islam, because it clearly commands its followers to destroy non-Muslims.
Why don't you read the Quran and then tell us what we should and should not fear.
@Dale
When looking at those opening up wounds, you might want to look in the mirror.
The Park51 project was praised by those on the right... until they needed to shop around for some symbolic fight, something which will not cure our trade deficit, or years of falling middle class wages under Republican trade policies.
Barbara-thank you, I couldn't have said it better myself. The recovery IS GOING TO TAKE TIME! Who in the world is daft enough to think Obama or any other president for that matter, could pull our country out of a pit like this in 1 1/2 years? SERIOUSLY?!
I know people are worried and even desperate-and rightfully so. We are in a mess, and it's gonna be a long time before we see our way out of it.
And as far as the mosque/Muslim 'encroachment' that's proliferating much of society, we cannot as Americans forget that we were founded on the premises of RELIGIOUS FREEDOM in this country. What are we going to do-declare one religion as the only one that can flourish/exist here?
And before folks come out of the woodwork- I AM A CHRISTIAN, born again for almost 20 years now, and from a faithful Methodist American family. I am also African American.
One last thing-let's not also forget that Christians (my own professed faith) did not 'ASK' the Native Americans in this country long before they came, whether or not they could build churches or houses of worship on THEIR land.
@ John
Can you give me the names of 3 people on the right who "praised" this mosque and have now turned against it?
You need to study your history. The last great recession was in 1982. However, the Regean adminstration's policies dropped the unemployment rate from a high of 10.8% (higher than we have seen in this recession) to 7.2% in less than two years. The Obama admistration does not forcast reaching that "low level" for another 4 to 6 years. He needs to study what worked then as his policies just are not working.
It's difficult to tell who the terrorists are because our Left, Liberal, ACLU types won't allow profiling.
There are at lease 2 maybe 3 churches directly accross the street from the Murr building in Oklahoma city.
@DINA K
your wrong ...maybe its you who should read Quran and Bible both rather than spreading lies ....
They both have elements of violence in them......its all about how one interprets it. Much like yourself...you choose to be igonrant to the facts and believe what you wanna believe.
@Dina K: So if someone yells "In the Name of Jesus" or "In the name of Mickey Mouse" before perpetrating a heinous act, then we must condemn the larger group? You challenge others to read the Koran, but I doubt that you have read it yourself; other than the passages pulled out of context by pundits.
@Richard: "You need to study your history. The last great recession was in 1982. However, the Regean adminstration's policies dropped the unemployment rate from a high of 10.8% (higher than we have seen in this recession) to 7.2% in less than two years."
Regean was also not fighting two wars. Furthermore, while I have not researched it, I am willing to bet a good portion of that drop in unemployment was due to the ramp-up of the Cold War; hence, a lot of spending on Defense. All that spending also created a large budget deficit.
Amen, Barbara.
I believe that the Muslims have the right to build where they want, because it is close to the WTC doesn't make them terrorist. I believe that anyone who is offended by their choice of location has the right to make their views known, that doesn't make them anti-muslim. I am disappointed in the folks who screamed at the top of their lungs that we have to let the prayer center be built in that location because people in this country have freedom of religion and freedom of speech.
So while I abhor what the preacher in Florida wants to do why is no one standing for his right to freedom of speech. When anti American protesters burn our flag it is "freedom of expression" why isn't this the same? Why do we feel like we must "cower" to terror? So now we have to walk on egg shells and be sure no one is offended because of what may happen? Do you think our brave men and women of the military would want us to "suspend" our rights because it may make some Muslims mad? What is next?
@Richard,
In point of fact, finance sector led recessions are very slow to recover. Sept 19, 2008 George Bush addressed the country to tell us about a collapse in the commercial "paper" (bond) market.
Barbara, thank you thank you thank you. It is refreshing to know that there is at least one American out there who still has common sense.
I agree with you 100%, Obama didn't create the economic mess, he needs time to fix it. David Gergen is a hater and it shows,
Also we have to stop generalizing and blaming all Muslims for what a small % of idiot radical terrorist did. There are millions of American Muslims. We come in all races and Islam stands for peace. Muslims still grieve over 9/11 as well. Muslims and every religion have a right to build a center for worship, love and peace where ever they choose.
@ Stan
This is the deal. If anyone argues that the site should be moved because it is too close to ground zero. What they are truly saying is: "this is a muslim building and since we were attacked by muslims it is wrong to build a mosque so close to ground zero because it would offended the families of Americans who were killed by muslims. Further more, nothing muslim should be allowed anywhere near ground zero. THEY attacked and killed US so their presence in this area need to be censored and suppressed as much as possible." It is as simple as that and that. People can try and dress it up however they want but it is nothing but Islamophobia or Muslimophobia whichever you prefer. The fact is that a mosque is a symbol of Islam and as such it is offensive to many who still believe that the entire muslim world was behind the 9/11 attacks. When you people see a mosque you do not see it as a place of worship you see it as the symbol of the people who attacked us. That is why you do not want this mosque to be built.
Everyone seems to forget that Congress has been controlled by Dems for 4 years. Deadlock in DC is the main reason it isn't getting worse...think cap-and-trade and the associated cost of living increase that will be. I am so tired of hearing how raising taxes on the rich is going to stop them from hiring and then we hear that the rich aren't hiring or spending anyway. Screw them.
The CNN Pundits can spin it anyway they want, but its way too late to use the same old "blame the Republicans". He wanted to be President and ever since he was elected it been poor me, look what I was handed. If He didn't know what he was getting and really didn't know how to handle, and thought his chrisma would carry him through, then he needs to step don't and admit he can't can't handle the Presidency. He sounds like like such a smark aleck spoiled brat who can't believe everyone doesn't just "adore" him.
FORGET SEPT 18, 2008, WHEN GEORGE BUSH ANNOUNCED THE COLLAPSE OF THE COMMERCIAL BOND MARKET!!!!!
FORGET THE 750,000 JOBS/MONTH WE WERE LOSING WHEN OBAMA BEGAN OFFICE!!!
FORGET THE 67,000 PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS CREATED LAST MONTH!!!!
You are right Rita. This man is way over his head. He chose to concentrate on healthcare, cap & trade, thousands of new financial regulations... instead of jobs. That is why the democrats are headed for a historical ass-whooping in November. They haven't delivered on the Hope and Change they campaigned on and the American people will judge them accordingly. Pelosi hasn't "drained the swamp," she's repopulated it with new fish. Obama has been "transparent" in his dealings with healthcare as he promised. He pushed it through with no bipartisan input/support, and now he wants the republicans to compromise on things 2 months before an election.
@Dale
ONE MONTH into office, this president and the Democratic Congress passed a major job creation bill. According to Alan Blinder and McCain econ advisor Mark Zandi, this created 2.5-3 million jobs, and the unemployment rate would be 11.5% without it.
Again, your ignorance of basic facts is profound.
I completely agree with everything you say very well put.
I know many people like you who don't want to hear the message. Your reaction to everything is don't blame me. Read your history books, please! There is no denying that this country has experienced the worst economic disaster since the great depression. Read the history of the great depression if you don't know what I'm talking about. There is also no denying that this disaster started during the Bush years. It took this country several years to recover from the great depression and your expectation is that this president could turn it around in a year and a half? Your argument is that he caused this disaster and is only blaming it on Bush? You are either uneducated or not being honest.
I wish Obama would be as "fired-up" about fixing this economy as he is about "Muslim rights". We ARE at war with Islam because in the Quran it clearly instructs Muslims to kill the infidels (and later Suris trump earlier– more peaceful ones). The imam from Detroit was asked on CNN and I quote:" Doesn't the Quran say that 'if you kill a human being, you kill the world?'". His response was and I again quote: "Yes.Yes. But ONLY MUSLIMS are HUMAN BEINGS!!"
The President wants to defend this? The president is as Gergen says: "Boring on the economy" but he gets "Fired up" about those poor freakin' Muslims that killed over 7500 (3000 + war dead) of my fellow countrymen. Obama should step down now and go to Arabia where he belongs.
I wish you would educate yourself about the FACT that Republicans are actively fighting against economic recovery. For example, Republicans are filibustering $50 Billion in loans and tax breaks for small businesses.
Could be you are a former loyal American.
@ John
Get a clue and stop calling people on here who disagree with you anti-American. You sound like Pelosi. It is exactly people like you divide this country and prevent us from moving forward.
@Dale
People are suffering out here. Republicans are fighting against the recovery on every opportunity.
The GOP's stunning unwillingness to put their own political interests aside lead me to believe they are not "real Americans", to quote Sarah Palin.
And you are right. It does say kill non-muslims and kill the infidels. But do you realize that those passages refer to specific wars that occurred throughout history?
Calling all Christians.......the Old Testament also has absurd references on committing violent acts in the name of God...
oh, and remember The Inquisition?....we have had our fanatics........follow the New Testament........love your neighbor as yourself. This is the Word of God.
Maybe he ought to try bringing his own party into line first – he's losing his own party on his failed economic policies. Also hard to get Republican cooperation, or even get them to want to listen if he's spending full-time bashing them. would you want to work with anyone who's spending nearly every waking hour trying to tear you apart? Never before in the history of this country has the President directly bashed those who don't agree with his every word so fervently and consistently as Obama has. Not the way for the leader to make friends and influence people. From this standpoint, he has to be the worst leader Chief Executive in the history of this country.
What a joke. Obama says he would leave in place Bush's middle-class tax cuts. What cuts? According to the mainstream media and democrats, Bush only gave tax cuts to the rich. If Bush's cuts for the middle class were so meaningless and insignificant, than why let them remain? In fact, the democrats held a press conference immediately after Bush announced his across-the-board tax cuts and they said that nothing was worse than tax cuts during an economic downturn. Now tax cuts are good? Democrats and Obama currently acknowledge that the middle class benefited and will still benefit from Bush's tax cuts. Where's the admission from the press and the liberals that they lied and hid the truth and admit to the American public that they were wrong? I thought admitting mistakes was the height of maturity and dignity. The media and Democrats kept demanding that Bush admit his mistakes, well, why don't they set the example and apologize for lying about the Bush tax cuts for all Americans?
I'm sorry, is this from the rewriting history handbook you received in the mail?
Dina:
Obama economic policy is pretty simple – tax the individual/ family > 200/250 K to the bone & distribute the wealth to the rest so called poor because all it matters to him is their vote to him. Soon none of our kids will go for Masters/Phd – you work hard, earn more Govt. will rob you!! Mr. President be a Man & speak the truth!!
Jan, were you born this morning? Answer the question – if the Bush's tax cuts to the lower and middle classes were so meaningless and unhelpful, as described by the Democrats for almost a decade, then why leave them in place now? I'm not re-writing history – I'm writing a truth which you obviously have been shielded from by the mainstream media and your liberal politicians. The Left never celebrated or touted Bush's middle and lower-class tax cuts – they decried them as small and unnecessary. Interesting how all of a sudden Bush's tax cuts are so valuable.
Mr. Gergen you have become very boring. Your shotgun analysis communicates nothing except your bias. Even King had some positive responses.
His monotone voice just puts me to sleep........I can't even get past that.
This president has party majority in the House and Senate. How can the GOP be "blocking" democratics action on anything?
Why confuse the poor man with facts?
Rick it's not your fault. Civics was not your best subject, right? Let me explain. The minority has been blocking bills from coming to an up and down vote. The minority are the Republicans......blocking bills that they themselves have supported and even helped write. Again such patriots.
Are you truly ignorant of the fact you need 60 votes to pass anything in the Senate.
Time to schedule some GED classes?
The Democrats have 57+2=59. True leadership would be convincing a single Republican that their ideas are worth overcoming a filibuster. Have they even managed to alienate Maine republicans? The truth is that they cannot even rely on their own party to get 59. Dems are peeling away from the President at record pace.
BTW, no Democrat is campaigning on healthcare. Why? The American people have resoundingly rejected it. They told us it was going to save money. Now Dems are being told not to talk about "saving money" but instead "increasing coverage." Translation: this is going to cost a fortune.
Dale.....there are no Republicans left. They are now tea party senators running to the far right. Wouldn't that be a great day if Senate Republicans could really think for themselves and do the right thing for our country and not just for their own survival. For example, Mr. DeMint "we want this President to fail."
Mr. Obama has never heard of Harry Truman's observation that in the White House, the buck stops here. He would rather keep casting it back two years to his predecessor. Do you suppose that two years from now, when Obama is running for the White House again, he will still be blaming his predecessor for the mess we'll be in?
I agree 100% with TEE's comment on Mr. Gergen. He seem to be out of step with the American People. He is Old and tired what I term as ans "X" meaning was and no longer is "Relevant"
You're absolutely right on........when Gergen is on, my tv is off.
Sorry folks but I like Obama. I have noticed one thing today different about his presentation. He used to speak with his head up. Almost looking down at the camera. If you go back and watch today's video he looks straight ahead, or down, when he speaks. I always thought the head held high was a sign of confidence. Some would say arrogance.
They raised the teleprompter!!
Yeah...why’s he got to use this teleprompter if he’s so smart and educated? Sports announcers don’t use them and a lot of them were PE majors. And what’s up with the microphone? Pavarotti never really needed one to fill up a concert hall. And this thing where he is constantly reading info from various news sources, international sources, big books and then using this information to make decisions and judgments. Sarah Palin hasn’t resorted to tricking people into thinking she’s smart by studying and reading. You know, I’m wondering about that podium. Couldn’t he just use a clip board? He’s obviously standing behind the Presidential Seal Plaque to make him appear as though he’s really important. Another thing – after a recent speech I detected him slightly bowing when he shook hands with an Asian American veteran in a wheel chair. I sure hope he hasn’t gotten into habit of bowing to all Asians – even the ones who aren’t emperors.
Sockey........sense of .humor = priceless
Barbara.
Very good perspective. There is a dfifference between muslims and radical islamics. It took so long to get where we are so there are no immediate fixes.
I am happy with where this administration is going, versus 8 years of the previous (which I felt was equivalent to 18 months of THIS administration) so Im interested to see where it is going..
The Mosque is "supposedly" a gathering for ALL FAITHS (muslims, christians, jews), it is "supposedly" a community center and if this is so..... Then so be it.
Thanks for your input !!!!!!
I'm also happy that the unemployment rate contiues to rise and more and more people are leaving the workforce because they have become so discouaged. The Dems have had the Presidentcy for 20 months and Congress for 44 months now. We're a lot better off.
And I'm also happy that we've spent trillions of dollars that our kids will have to repay to achieve this wonderful result.
So Rick I also bet you're happy we sent our tax money overseas for 8 years and spent it on a war in a country that didn't attack us on 9/11 and now a real leader wants to help our own citizens and spend our tax $ in America and that makes you unhappy.
Wow, what a patriot.
There's been some good economic reports out this month. But the narrative from the other side has to be that all is bad. I think Obama and Congress stopped the free-fall of the economy and we're headed in the right direction. Maybe what Congress will pass next week, with Republican Voinovich's support, will accelerate that movement. CNN had a story yesterday on improvements in the economy, re job loss, manufacturer and balance of trade, but the right-wing media will always pushl the ""wrong direction" message.
@Rick
January 2009 : Losing 750,000 jobs a month
August 2010 : Gaining 67,000 private sector jobs a month.
Today: You are ignorant of basic facts.
Obama hasn't a clue how to be a leader. He is too thin skinned to ever be effective as president. Say what you will about Bush, I never remember him complaining about criticism, nor did he disrespect his opponents for offering a different point of view. America will continue to decline with Obama at the helm.
Bush (in debate with Kerry): "I have tried. But the work of president is hard. Hard."
Also, about 50,000 times Bush blamed Clinton.
Tom, take a history lesson from John. You'll learn something.
In every country that I travel to I am addressed as an American, only in my own am I addressed as African American or Black American. In my life I have always had to be some color or anything other than American. So I am positive that President Obama has all the feelings and concerns of us all. He is not interested in entertaining ,but in informing.
What is wrong with us? why must we put down our own? How can we sit back and look at others with so much hatred? where is the America my father and uncles and brother and SONS went to war to help us ALL live in this awful country that does not give a dam about it's poor,hungry,homeless,jobless.mental,old and I could go on for a longer time, it's people. Maybe instead of looking at all the poles you should try sitting on them.
This the first for me and I write because I am so ashamed of my country and the ugly minded people that make small minded people important and look away from the mass of people.
You're addressed as African American or Black American in this country because that's how "your people" have insisted on being addressed. "Your people" are the ones who insist on the separation of the races through establishing separate rules, laws, agencies, committees, schools, neighborhoods, etc, etc, because they can't nor do they want to integrate themselves "completely" into what they perceive as "white American society." If you hate this country so much, get the heck and go to one of those others that are so much more "fair" to you...let us know how that works for ya! And, finally, if you're going to try to be snide, know how to spell, the word is "poll" unlike the pole you need to pull out of your hole!
Kali.......I bet your mother's ashamed of you right now.
Kali, you are disgusting, I wish there was a country where we could put all ignorant hateful racist people such as yourself. I pray you will learn how to be a better person.
This goes to Presidents Bush and Obama.. We can invade half the world and that will only incite Muslims to join Al-Quida.. Why don't you talk to the Heads of World Banks and get them to cut off the $$$$ supply to Al-quida.. This may mean a few angry so-called allies, but who needs enemies with friends like that!! This goes for the Cartels.. Only one way to put these parasites out of business.. No money no problem!!!
CNN Pundits – that why I watched CSPAN and listened to the folks that called in afterwards. If you would listen to some of them, maybe you would learn something about the American people. This Country is not just you talking heads in NYC and DC. And Roland, give me a break. I'm an African American female and you need to just be quiet along with the tired David Gergen and Candy Cowley. You all are sickening. If folks keep listening to you three, everyone will be on anti depressants.