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Where did waters part for Moses? Not where you think
An illustration based on new research shows how wind could have moved and split waters from two ancient basins.
The parting of the waters described in the book of Exodus that enabled Moses and the Israelites to escape the pharaoh's army is possible, computer simulations run by researchers at the National Center for Atmospheric Research and the University of Colorado at Boulder show.
To test the theory that the biblical account may have depicted actual events, the researchers studied maps of the region, archaeological records and satellite measurements to find a topographical feature where such an event might have been possible. They settled on an area south of the Mediterranean Sea where some oceanographers say a branch of the Nile River drained into what was called the Lake of Tanis, a coastal lagoon 3,000 years ago.
The computer model shows a 63 mph east wind blowing across the area and its 6-feet-deep waters for 12 hours. In the scenario, the wind pushed back the waters into both the lake and the channel of the river, exposing a mud flat 2 to 2.5 miles long and 3 miles wide for four hours. As the winds died down, the waters quickly flowed back in and in theory would have drowned anyone on the mud flat.
“The simulations match fairly closely with the account in Exodus,” said Carl Drews of NCAR, the lead author of the study published in the online journal PLoS ONE. (Read the full study)
“The parting of the waters can be understood through fluid dynamics. The wind moves the water in a way that’s in accordance with physical laws, creating a safe passage with water on two sides and then abruptly allowing the water to rush back in.”
YouTube: Parting the waters, Part 1: The physics of a land bridge
Parting the waters, Part 2: Carl Drews on wind setdown research
The biblical account of Exodus has Moses and his followers trapped by the pharaoh forces against a body of water, which has been translated to both the Red Sea and the Sea of Reeds. In the account, a strong wind comes up after night falls and parts the waters behind the Israelites. Moses leads them into the breach but when the pharaoh army pursues them at daybreak, the gap disappears and the army is lost.
Previous research has focused on areas of the Red Sea near the modern-day Suez Canal where the biblical miracle may have been possible. The NCAR/CU team said their research shows those scenarios unlikely. They ran a series of 14 computer simulations to pinpoint the area where the parting of the waters was most likely.
“People have always been fascinated by this Exodus story, wondering if it comes from historical facts,” Drews says. “What this study shows is that the description of the waters parting indeed has a basis in physical laws."
Drews conducted the Exodus research as part of a larger project on how winds can affect water depths.
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Once again the Jews are right!
Pseudoscience.
@Joe Sorry but many events and buried cities have been spotted out because of Quran, and many archaelogists converted to Islam when using Quran to find buried cities. Jews aren't right but God who they worship is right.
It's a Bible Story folks. Trust me on this Jona was not eaten by a whale and the Earth did not flood. There is only one message from the Bible that's true. Peace, Love and Understanding. The rest is fiction.
@Darrell - If you look around, I think you'll find that the Peace, Love, and Understanding part is a fairy tale also.
Tell that to the Amelekites.
@Alexander – Yeah, computer simulations of hydrodynamics based on archaeological data is total pseudoscience.
@darrell yes bible storties but as for the flood if they had a flood there they would have thought that the whole world did too. most thought that their world was the only one
redcat
well, muslims do not believe that the flood had happened all over the world, just in one place.
Back stage lot at Paramount.
@ Darrell re:"Trust me on this..." I DO trust you Darrell. Unquestionably. You are the guru of all things. I am writing a sequel to the Bible and it will begin with the Book of Darrell, because apparently we should trust you.
I think my ass just fell off and farted on its own
thx
was this study done to appease the thumpers?
"Thumpers" don't need any proof from scientists....that's what Faith is for.
This may be true that it could have happened there by science or something natural. However, the true biblical account needs no nature. When God does miracles, God does it. He could have used nature, but ultimatly the miracle is attributed to God. It is funny how biblical accounts are always tried to be solved by science or reason. God is the maker of science, also God can defy science. Jesus was born of a virgin, Jesus was killed and came alive again. How can science explain that? It was God who did it. A miracle. One that makes us praise God!
@ Joe – Jews as well as Christians and Muslims are right once again!
Quran corroborates the event's happening!
I'm in total agreement, Joe. Forget what the crazies say. If they can prove it can be done scientifically, then God didn't do it, if they can't prove it, then God didn't do it and it's pseudoscience. It doesn't matter. It happened. And really, who cares, what anybody really thinks about this?
Ure a moron. Whom do you think created science....Duh.
If you discount the explanation that God did it, you probably ought to also discount the idea that there actually were any Jews yet.
If you're not taking the early bible as at least mostly true, then the ancestors of the Jews were still calling themselves Caananites and living the same place as their Jewish descendants did later.
If you're taking the bible as mostly true, the world is 6600 years old.
Please root out the parts that aren't true and never use them in arguments again, so I can focus on the important stuff in it...
The Bible is 100% true. If it wasn't, then we would have absolutely no reason to believe whats in it, and people could twist the Bible to mean whatever they wanted. God parted the Red Sea; we know that because it says that in Exodus. There doesn't need to be a scientific explanation for everything because we are human, not God.
"..people could twist the Bible to mean whatever they wanted..."
Gosh, Steven, you Christians do that NOW...maybe Hawking is right! You don't need God to explan the way things are!!
We are made in the image of God or are the children of God. Most of us do not know this because we are too preoccupied with the daily life that we forget our bodies are just the physical instruments of the soul. Stop eating meat, fish and dairy products will help us to lift the veil or darkness in our minds. Then we all understand that the parting of the seas was an act of God.
22:10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
Such an awesome gawd you worship.
The fool has said in his heart there is no God. Psalms: 14:1
Now aren't you foolish, I think I saw Elivs in a potato chip or was that Jesus?
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Dear Irrational,
There seem to be an enormous amount of fragile people on here that need to hold onto the promise of an afterlife. Is life really that bad? To throw away all the concrete proof that science has produced for this imaginary covenant called faith seems awful foolish. It's interesting that this idea of faith has a protective component that you can never question it. Questioning things just happens to be the backbone of science. It is no wonder there is such a huge divide between us. That of course is all by design. You cant sustain a religous farce without the other key component which is divisiveness. congratulations on your production of nothing for humanity. If its validation that you seek, it can only be found amongst your equally unoriginal, uninteresting, and widely unintelligent peers. You can waste your lives away wishing for that golden ticket, but please stop wasting everyone elses time and efforts with these childish stories and hateful oppression.
Sincerely, Reason
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You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time raling against something that doesn't exist.
Amen.
Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise,they became fools. Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise. 1:19 THAT NO FLESH SHOULD GLORY IN HIS PRESENCE.
I don't think "they" are the ones searching.
@Sal, copying isn't really corroborating 😛
So i guess Moses was a great physicist,.. if he knew so many hundreds of years ago the exact minute to lead the isrealites out of captivity,.. and it took science this long to figure it out,.. what a shame, God is good
Good one.I agree
Would have been awfully muddy...they'd have sunk as in 'quicksand'.
Can a man safely cross a muddy seabed in the presence of a 60 mph wind? This is quackery!
To Paul, the part of the bible about Mary being a virgin has been proven to be a mistranslation of the word "young" into "virgin. There was no miracle birth according to the words used in the bible
So let me gte this right, there are winds strong enough to part a sea, yet people just mosey across, in the same wind, waste deep in mud? Hmm. Yup, sounds right to me.
If anyone crossed anything, it was likely a low tide.
There is a good quote around "The supernatural is the natural not yet understood", i.e. just because science can't exlpain something today doesn't mean that it won't tomorrow. It still doesn't mean that God did anything or if it exists. Tons of things that were attributed to God in the past are now proven to be simple science.
Regarding this article – just because something is possible, doesn't mean Moses or God had anything to do with it.
Right about what? This, like the jews being forced to build the pyramids, is utter crap and I know that you hate to hear it, but there is scientific and archeological evidence to prove it. In addition, crap like that ark story. Can anyone over the age of 4 who is not severely mentally challenged believe that crap?! "Red Sea" is a mistranslation of the 'Sea of Reeds', a much shallower and is a swamp with high and low points depend on seasons, moon phases and tides. Most probably the Egyptian army simply discontinued their efforts, if it actually happened, as it was too much of a pain in the butt. They were gone and what was done was done. People who believe this crap have seen too many movies.
Crap like the 'virgin' Mary. Um....nope. So, they had a local OBGYN in the village who checked this all out? Just because her alleged husband says that he wasn't the father of the baby doesn't mean squat. Man, its a Jerry Springer episode. "I swear.... Baby, you gotta believe me! It wasn't Joshua from down the road! It was (getting nervous, starting to stammer and sweat...looking toward the ceiling) Oh god (she mumbles). G...g..g...god (he says)!? It was God!?!? Wow! We are so blessed! Um..... yeah, honey! That's....uh..( damn!).that's pretty much what happened. Angles and stuff, puff of smoke or two I think, some, I dunno, bells or a harp or something.... bada boom bada bing... and I'm preggers. Wow, do I need a cigarette or what. (whew! that was close. Please don't let it look like Josh!).
Absurd to think that this biblical story is etiher authentic or original considering most of the old testament WAS plagerized from various text created by the Kemit and Cush people before Hebrews even existed. I saw with my own eyes in Kemet (Egypt) just 2 months ago within the medu neter (hierogylphs) which depict many of these concepts such as the parting of the sea, the immaculate conception, etc... thousands of years before either a bible or a quaran even existed (circa 300 b.c.e). Anyone caring to research, you can find extensive passages of the old testament that are plagurized directly from Eyptian texts. But of course no one REALLY wants to know the truth although it's not hard to find.
Wait, Obama's Jewish now?
Its all just fairy tales there are no gods the bible and the Quran are science fiction books .
Why even mention Moses anyway if your going to try and explain away the miracle that God performed by natural causes ?What disbelief in God' you show you must make yo mama proud.
the jews are not right becuase they dont believe in jesus and these scientist are probaly atheus and dont believe in God and so they want to discredit God because they dont want to believe but it does not matter the truth does not change because you dont believe it
Are you about 12?
So, the only people who can be right are Christians? Thanks for tipping us off.
Funny thing you all are arguing that its psuedoscience, fiction, people make believe but not realizing that there is more evidence there is a God than evidence there isn't a God. Even science is telling you there is a possibility that God exist.
well john, what do you expect to read from a generation alienated from God?... religious beliefs and teachings are handed down from generation to generation. and some where along the line we all received a distorted story. truth be told, no one can say with any degree of accuracy that it did happen or it did not happen... we can only speculate. one thing's for certain though, if you believe the story of the ten plagues... that it only affected the egyptians and not the israelites, then it may not be much of a stretch to reasonably conclude that the parting of the red sea really happened, or even that jesus raised the dead. either way, to those who do believe, it is a matter of faith. that's all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOU8GIRUd_g
this will explain the science behind EVERYTING
if it was just a shallow lagoon then how did it drown all of Pharaoh's army?
The Egyptians were midgets. 🙂
GOD = Gold – Oil – Drugs.
He who controls them, controls all.
Control is the illusion. Only the illusion can be controlled.
Rebel
Control is the illusion. Only the illusion can be controlled. Man that was some wise words.
Its all fairy tales to explain death they all used jet skies to cross .
The only reason I clicked on the thumbnail was to get a close-up of the guy in the awesome Moses Halloween costume. Rip. Off.
Jesus loves me this I know because my bible tells me so!!! End of story! He is God and it is written that every knee will bow and every tougne will confess that He is Lord! It takes as much to not believe as it does to believe.
Here we go again...
Arkdiscovery dot com provides prolific photographic evidence of the exodus crossing site, the real Mt. Sinai, and other finds which fully support the Biblical narrative.
Absolutely Fantastic!
That 'scientists' would even waste their time with this is beyond me. Why don't they next try to find some physical laws behind the leprachauns who are most certainly hiding at the end of the rainbow?
Your name should be Darkbrain.
I wonder if they're hiring? Nice work if you can get it. Does this "study" improve anyone's living conditions today?
If you READ the article, this was part of a larger study on the effects of wind on water levels. You, know the kind of thing that happens during, say, a hurricane? This was a thought experiment to that end.
Howdy Darkstar,
It sounds like an abuse of public monies to me. The paper indicates that the lead author runs a website oriented towards finding an accommodation between evolution and Christian thought. No harm there, but it does tell you what biases were carried into this work. I'm not nearly physicist enough to comment on the hydrodynamics, but I do sail. I strongly doubt that 12 hours worth of wind is going to drop the surface of the Red Sea by the 2-meter value given. If that were the case then the shoreline of our comparably large lakes and rivers would be far more sensitive to winds. It looks like data fitted to match a desired conclusion to me. I suspect that the editors of PLoS shot themselves in the foot with this one.
I've always been curious how science explains Leprechaun Telepathy....
Tom,
You didn't happen to read how strong the wind was did you it was 63MPH. Not many lakes are ever put against winds of that speed for that long of time. If it helps just look at the storm surge during one of the tropical storms that hit the east coast every year.
LEPRACHAUNS ARE REAL!!! Next your gonna try to tell me the Easter Bunny and Santa are not real. Quit trying to ruin it for everyone else.
I agree with you completely. And your name is awesome.
Darkstar (and others like darkstar). Did you even read the article? It answers your question; Drew conducted the Exodus research as part of a larger project on how winds can affect water depths. You can certainly understand why that is important – right? It seems like there are a lot of people who cannot accept these findings because of their fear of seeing "God" in public. Nobody is saying that you have to believe in God now. It is facinating to consider these new scientific findings.
i think we are at a point in hist that idias about the divine shuld be viw like the clat eadth.
Methinks your keyboard is broken.
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Huh?
I finally figured out what clat eadth means...he's trying to say flat earth. Im just so proud of myself 🙂 ))
˙ƃuıʎɐs ǝɹǝʍ noʎ ƃuıɥʇ ɐ ʇno ǝʞɐɯ ʇ,uplnoɔ ʎllɐǝɹ ı
I think we are at a point in history that ideas about the divine should be viewed like the flat earth.
is that you, stephen hawking?
Brett Favre Fan: I think we have a winner!!! Someone give that man a prize!!!
...and every christmas eve, a jolly man in a red suit gets on his magical sleigh driven by reindeer and...
Yes, and that's how come those of you who don't believe in him, don't get any presents from him. Santa may be fiction, but God is not.
It is amazing how even the most educated people can completely abandon rationality when dealing with their religious beliefs.
Ever wonder why a man about to die decides there is a god.
You are right Josh, those of us in the know have no trouble believing nothing made all this, nothing created it all from nothing .It is all a dream, and when we wake up it will be to nothingness. Now, is that a miracle or not???
Things the judeochristian "God" shares with Santa Claus: Stories about actual events (St Nicholas, Jesus of Nazareth) are misinterpreted, mistranslated, and used for personal gain (Macy's, the Pope). They both reside in mythical places. (The North Pole, Heaven). They're both "invisible". They both judge you on your behavior. People with mental illnesses swear that they're real. hmmm... I think we should worship Santa... But wait! Santa and Satan have the same letters! and are red! IT'S A TRAP!!!!
christians r so stupid
so tolerance is extended to everyone except christians now? yeah, that makes sense.. only associate with open-minded people like yourself, that'll make the world go 'round. sheesh.
I used to think just like Randoms, BUT . . .
I'd like to share with everyone the most significant, pivotal moment of my life thus far. . .
God spoke to me in a dream (I can just hear the laughter from unbelievers, but stick with me here).
The Dream: I was in a small side room of a church by myself, when I found myself fascinated and terrified by a picture of the Virgin Mary on the wall, BLEEDING! In an effort to explain this phenomena, I took the picture off of the wall, placed it into a bag, and brought it to another room, where my friend (and roommate at the time of the dream, who was sleeping in another bed in the same room)was. When I tried to show the picture to her, and we both looked down at it, it was completely clean: no sign of blood anywhere! When I swore to my friend that it had been bleeding, she looked at me in complete and utter fear, warning me to just go put it back where I found it. When I went back into the other room by myself, and placed it back on the wall, it began bleeding again! (I truly believe that this was God trying to tell me to stop trying to prove things, and just believe within myself.) The most gripping and amazing part of the entire thing here is that . . .
I WOKE UP TO 3 TAPS ON MY BACK, signifying The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit!!!
Now, unbelievers whom I have told of my calling have tried to explain this away by calling it a back spasm, but I don't know of any back spasm that presents itself with 3 very hard slow taps, which almost hurt, and were hard enough to wake me up! I had never, and have not since had any type of "spasms." So, explain that with science!!!
Iment to say flat earth
Yeah like that makes more sense now?
Spell check can be your friend....
jodaa, I mean this in all kindness. You need to quit screwing around and get back in school. You are functionalloy illiterate You are going to have a very hard life unless you get educated. Now on the off chance you are educated I would say, quit smoking those wacky weeds before posting on the forum. They make you look illiterate.
I think at this point, just being able to spell would be nice...
Did you also mean to say,"I meant to say flat Earth"? I thoroughly wonder how so many people can make a living when they cannot spell even the simplest words. Have computers made us smarter, or dumber, because we do not have to think anymore? Spell check only works if you type the correct word in and not the wrong word spelled correctly. As for the article, I am sure that in some way, engineering students got something out of working on this computer simulation.
maybe we should be a liitle more understanding. based on his name, he couldn't be an american. that might explain the spelling errors 🙂
I thought this article was interesting. However, acceptance of Biblical accounts still require faith and no amount of research will ever change that.
I agree with you Yanni. I'm not very religious and I do believe science can explain most things but once in a while REAL miracles can happen that can only be explained by having faith.
I am not religious. I think all things are explainable by science. We only deem something as a miracle because of our limitation which restricted us to understand an occurrence.
All things may be explained by science, but since God is the ultimate scientist, I would suppose that he knows some science that we poor earthly creatures haven't discovered yet. Just cause we don't know about it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
You must have faith to believe...
I don't see why science and religion have to be mutually exclusive. I am a practicing Catholic but I believe all the advances in physics and science in general simply give us a better understanding an appreciation for God. While I accept there are those who choose not to believe in a higher being, I don't understand why those people cannot accept others rights to believe without mocking them.
@ Bbujia – Amen! No kidding!
There is much evidence to support the Biblical narrative. That the Exodus Crossing occurred at the Red Sea, there is now little doubt. Net search "arkdiscovery" and see the remains of various Biblical sites complete with compelling photographic evidence and video record.
@Kriss greenn
HOW THE !@#$% is FAITH an explination????? Chris Angel (mindfreak) walked on water... is that a miracle? or a trick? or if I BELIEVE he is a REAL magician... is THAT an explanation?
God B-less
@Mitch: That the bible references ancient cities says nothing about its validity. If so, then you must also accept Greek mythologies as accurate as they too depict ancient cities. And what about modern fiction? Some of it also references modern cities. Is it then real as well? And no, the ark hasn't been discovered, as the world was never flooded. What HAS been discovered are the remains of mining shacks and mine entrances – though you won't hear about that from the "ark discovery" websites.
Agreed Yanni. We cannot always explain God's miracles. Those of us who believe, understand about faith and God's promises to mankind. He Lives, YES!!!!!!!!!!
And the fairy tale gets picked apart even more by science.
No need for some invisible man in the sky to fill in the blanks.
All things can be explained through science.
Rick,
So what you are saying is that since science can provide a possible explanation for the miracle to occur, that God doesn't exist? I find this hilarious. Imagine the Israelites just walking along and then all of a sudden...'Hey look! A landbridge'. Biblical accounts state that they walked across on dry land. It wasn't just people, but everything they had in Egypt....animals, goods, etc. Even if the land bridge lasted for 4 hours, all of Israel would have been unable to cross in that time period, especially if the ground would have been a mud flat. While science can try to explain the mystery, there are still elements in the account that point to God being involved.
When someone explains something to you with "science," you have faith in what he thinks is a fact and what isn't a fact. It takes more faith to belive that we evolved from a fragment of nothing than we were created by a higher power.
Dear Rick,
See my note above. God knows science that we don't know. How ridiculous to think that we know everything there is to know about science!
Scientism. Look it up. You seem to suffer from it.
Hey Kenny, can you prove by science that you have a brain? Have you ever seen it?
How do you explain a brown cow eating green grass, giving white milk & yellow butter?
@Doug "there are elements in the account that point to God being involved"
I would say there are elements in the account that point to it being FICTION.
Silly Villy...I don't believe YOU have a brain, but I can go to the doctor right now and get a CAT scan if I wanted to see mine. Also, your question regarding brown cow by-products is just about the dumbest thing I think I've ever seen anyone form into legible words. If you ask just about any scientist, or for that matter most high school gratuates, they could easily answer that question...although it would be pointless because you wouldn't be able to understand the answer, you know, having no brain and all.
The article doesn't say anything about whether moses actually parted the sea himself. It only proves that the parting of such a body of water is possible. In fact, perhaps one could use this for religion. God was by Moses's side and sent the divine wind that saved him and his people. That divine wind is possible, as proved by the science.
@ Rick,
Enlighten us with your knowledge of science? Show us Rick where science tells us the origin of DNA? Why does ice float and not sink? What caused the earth to have a magnetic field so that we would not get fried every time the sun threw off a solar flare? Enlighten us Rick with your great understanding of science...since it explains EVERYTHING!!
@Mr Science Dude,
Enlighten us with your knowledge of science.
Science does not pretend to know the origine of DNA (religion does: God did it) but they strive to gain knowledge to perhaps lead to the answer one day. Why does ice float and not sink? Because the volume of H2O increased 10% yet the mass remains constant thereby creating a less denser material. High School science class taught use that items with smaller density will float (oil on water works the same way) What caused the earth to have a magnetic field so that we would not get fried every time the sun threw off a solar flare? The earth doesn't have the magnetic field "so that we would not get fried ...", it just happens to be a benificial reality to sustaining life on our planet.
Mr Science Dude, you make this debate laughable.
@ Frank,
Rick stated that "all things can be answered by science" that is far from the truth but a typical atheist answer that is far from reality. I dont understand all things...I admit to that. I am not sure what is on the other side of death...nor do I really care. I am living this life for now, for the moment. I am fully aware that ice floats because it is less dense than its liquid form....but dont you think it is amazing that when most liquids form into their solid states that the solid is more dense than the liquid, thus sinking.....this would have had a huge impact on human life....The one liquid that is crucial to sustaining life act in opposite form to most other solid / liquid relationships....maybe as you said, it just happens to be a beneficial reality of sustaining life on earth. Same with the magnetic field....that one element sustains life....Mars does not even have one....so why does earth? Chance? Maybe. But all things point to order and sustainability not chaos and chance.
Why when one actually brings up scientific thoughts into this discussion do you call it laughable? That is the one thing that lacks from this debate is scientific points rather than just ones opinions about the bible....
So, all things can be explained through science... I don't really disagree, but I do have one thing to add. How do you explain science/physics? If science is the basis by which all things are explained, what guides/creates what we call "science"? Rules of physics didn't just invent themselves, they came from somewhere... wrap your heads around that. It all had to start somewhere, somehow, pre-science, pre-physics, supernaturally...created.
Cedar Rapids, God can know everything and man still have free will. I you accept the premise of decision trees (where all possible choices for any given problem are outlined) then God can know the choice we picked feely from among all the possibilities. Since He knows everything (all choices) and we are still free to choose the one we like best free will and omnipotence are not mutually exclusive.
I used to think exactly like Rick, BUT . . .
I'd like to share with everyone the most significant, pivotal moment of my life thus far. . .
God spoke to me in a dream (I can just hear the laughter from unbelievers, but stick with me here).
The Dream: I was in a small side room of a church by myself, when I found myself fascinated and terrified by a picture of the Virgin Mary on the wall, BLEEDING! In an effort to explain this phenomena, I took the picture off of the wall, placed it into a bag, and brought it to another room, where my friend (and roommate at the time of the dream, who was sleeping in another bed in the same room)was. When I tried to show the picture to her, and we both looked down at it, it was completely clean: no sign of blood anywhere! When I swore to my friend that it had been bleeding, she looked at me in complete and utter fear, warning me to just go put it back where I found it. When I went back into the other room by myself, and placed it back on the wall, it began bleeding again! (I truly believe that this was God trying to tell me to stop trying to prove things, and just believe within myself.) The most gripping and amazing part of the entire thing here is that . . .
I WOKE UP TO 3 TAPS ON MY BACK, signifying The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit!!!
Now, unbelievers whom I have told of my calling have tried to explain this away by calling it a back spasm, but I don't know of any back spasm that presents itself with 3 very hard slow taps, which almost hurt, and were hard enough to wake me up! I had never, and have not since had any type of "spasms." So, explain that with science!!!
Let's just keep to the facts not the stupid jokes!
The fact is that much wind was needed to blow Moses' hair in a dramatic way, as this would increase God's glory and really look cool to boot.
The wind parting the sea was just a bonus, which Moses took advantage of by pretending his hair had done it.
Why do they call camels "ships of the desert"?
Perhaps because they travel across dunes that resemble ocean waves.
Because they are filled with Iranian Seamen
Poor camels...
Because they carried enormous loads of trade goods, like a ship's cargo, across the deserts and Asian trade routes. But I had to chuckle about the Iranian explanation. Had you heard that somewhere or did you just come up with that?
to get to the other side??????
Wow, we believe everything else recorded at that time period, why not believe what the Bible says and stop trying to take credit away from an Awesome God
Well those facts have nothing to do with a Sky Fairy that takes the form of a burning bush. Nor, do they have stories of the Sky Fairy killing innocent men women and children because they didn't believe in him
because there is no god.
What kind of religion is that when your God:
1) forgives a serial killer and allows him to enter heaven if he repents, but
2) locks me out of heaven even if I am the kindest, most caring, most giving person to ever lived but who happens to not believe in God
Speak for yourself. " . . . recorded at that time period" - there aren't many "records" left from that many thousands of years ago, dear. The bible was compiled from various writings around 400 years after Jesus' time. By then, those accounts were old, and sketchy at best, and a conference of men sat around for months debating what to put in and what to leave out. And you believe them?
Religion is for people who don't believe in science.
@Kenny well maybe you wouldnt be locked out of heaven if you believed..ever thought of that one there sparky.
Since you wouldn't exist had God not allowed you to, and since He gave you your life, it's OK for him to take it away. And, it's probably a lot better living on the other side than here on the earth. So, look at it negatively if you will, but life after death will surely be better than here. Well, depending on how you live your life here that is.
The Bible is not believed because it full of all kinds of unbelievable things. Furthermore, the Jewish books were not likely written and assembled until after the Babylonian Exile. Then there is the New Testament that was not written by anyone who knew Joshua son of Joseph. If you do not know that Jesus in Hebrew is Joshua then you are not actually studying your faith. 3 of the 4 gospels are much later and are based on a single one. If you actually read the books you will see the glaring inconsistencies.
Many Jewish people believe that the stories in the OT are legends that teach and not actual events. There is poetry, history, geneologies, laws; so many laws; there are also rules for living in the desert. I.e. don't eat pork. Of course not when you have no way of preserving it. I was raised in a Baptist Church and have read the d%$n thing many times and been smacked for blasphemy when I questioned the ludicrous stories. Some of them are right out of anciet Babylonian stories. The Epic of Gilgamesh has almost exactly the same story of Creation; though the OT has 2 different versions. To be fair, a low percentage of religous whack jobs think the OT and NY are accurate history. That is a fundamentalist thing and they will kill you to force it down your throat.
It is a stupid thing to do to abuse a child for having questions. It turns them mean towards the ones who hand down the law or destroys their intelligence and ability to stand up for themselves. A Baptist Church and my Baptist Mom drove me to atheism as a kinder and more humane path. I also think it is bunk to say a bully will go to heaven and the humane atheist go to hell because some dude name Joshua will take in the monster because he is a christian. Everyone is responsible for their own actions and this salvation cr@p will get you off the hook for being a jerk who threatens people with hell is neither just nor likely.
I speak primarily of the fundamentalists who take the books for truth even though there is little consistency and no real historical record. I speak of those who jump into comments and throw their beliefs at others like emotional shrapnel. Study the history of Christianity with reputable scholars and theologians with your mind wide open and you will find there is little to make a Christian anything but guilty. Europe was "saved" at the point of sword not with love. Join up or die. There were mass baptisms and any one who would not get in the water was killed. The most northern parts of Europe were only Christianized a couple of centuries ago and some of them are turning their backs on it because of the violence perpetrated on their culture. They are burning churches as they go back to the paganism that actually works with their culture. I don't agree with church burning and I would never say people cannot believe this guff. I would just like to seem them leave others alone and stop brainwashing their children. I was in mid thirties before I was finally free of what they did to me. Oh, as an adult I gave Christianity another shot. It was even worse than I thought in my teens before I ran for life way too young.
For people who claim to know the bible you didn't read very much or study much of it. Nor did you study why some book were chosen and others not, or any of the science within christianity. Many Blievers think god is very scintific and gives us many gifts through knowledge. And just so you know: one dose not get in heaven by believing in god. They have to accept him into their hearts and submitt to his will instead of their own. To accept that another (Jesus) paid the price for their sins no matter how big or small those may be. No one is without sins, just believing in a god is not enouph to get into heaven. You have the choice to believe and accept this or not. God gave free will so we coud to do that and no one can take that away.
Kenny- your argument is illogical. What do you care if a serial killer or anyone else get into heaven if you do not believe in God or heaven? You cannot be locked out of a place that does not exist and no one else would make it in.
'God gave free will so we coud to do that and no one can take that away'
Doesnt god know everything that is going to happen? If so then he already knows how your life will go and free-will is just an illusion.
Do you have a mouse in your pocket? If you do it can't be one of those mice with the fully functioning human brain that Christine O'Donnel knows about because it would argue the point with you.
I do not believe every thing that had been recorded. I know that the God of All Things isawesome however this does not require me to blindly follow some fairy tale when my "god-given" ability to reason tells me otherwise.
@Kenny Is there any greater sin than repudiating your creator?
Hey Kenny! Why do you believe in heaven and want to be there if you don’t believe in God? Who made the heaven then?
Kenny, If there was no God there would not be heaven. If one believes in heaven he is no longer innocent. He must also believe in God because is God who created the heaven. The notion of heaven itself will judge this person.
no need for a thinking learnd person to call names . u shuld elevete the idea
huh?
Your posting makes perfect sense. No, really, it does.
in the Quran, God speaks how he saved the children of Israe by opening the sea to save them by the pharoh.... and in the Quran, God says that the pharaoh Ramsey's body will be preserved to show a sign for the world too see how God punished him. his body is located i think in Egypt. his body looks like as if he died recently. the Quran testified and proved scientist that it was a mirical from God.
its called mummification
No one cares what the Quarn says dude, keep your hate filled babble to yourself. There is only one God and it is certainly not Allah! Just the Alpha and the Omega.
You MUST be kidding.
And it was the Muslims who burnt down the Great Library of Alexandria. The Caliph Omar told his military commander to destroy all the books that disagreed with the Quran. Such is the "truth" of Islam!
you are right my brother. It does say that in the Quran and I'm happy of being in the right religion peace.
@WesternPeacefulProtest-4NowNEWays
Where exactly there is hate in his comment? May be you stop being a racist and a bigot and pay attention to what is actually written.
Too bad mohammed only took biblical stories and wove them into some fanatical book called the koran...that's why its in the koran..it happened..not becasue the koran said so don't fool yourself there buddy. the koran was written much later then any of the bible
@Robert – there is no conclusive proof that it was Caliph Omar of Damascus who burnt down the great library. There is also a plethora of evidence to suggest it was either Julius Ceasar or Patriarch Theophilus who burned down the great library. be careful not to so quickly jump to conclusions when the evidence doesn't support you
Mohammed, the body looks like that because of mummification and it has nothing to do with religion. And Quran also says about parting of seas because its copied from same source.
Hey Robert, does lying always come that easily for you? There were no Muslims when the library at
alexandria burned, Mohammed hadn't even been born. Not even a credible try at anti-muslim incitement.
Dudes, Forget about all these crap. Just be good to people, animals and our environment. This 'research' should have been paid by some vatican guys and they don't care about rationality. Just go and see a place called Dwaraka in Western India and you will see that an entire city is submerged in water. That is called as evidence to what is told in Mahabharatha. Not these fictional stuff.
Muslim burnt the only University in the world at that time in Takshashila (Now in Afghanistan). This was a place where nearly 20000 students from all over the world came to study Sanathana Dharma. Go and read kuran properly and see that everyline of kuran is full of hatred. That is what led to burning of Takshashila. Muslims and Islam are not peaceloving. Whereever they go, they divide the nation and people.
This is 2010 and we want to go with everybody fear of death (religion) but in this time and place, we all the advances in science and the TRUE, still feeding the never ending thirst for proof of God is not the place for CNN, I think....
Me like science too! It help me speak goodly too!
God is Truth. In Him and through Him all things exist. There is Absolute Truth. It doesnt matter what you think or what I think. There is The Way and no other. In or Out. There is no Gray area. God does exist. Christians are not against science. Science is a wonderful thing that God has given us to show us how things work and have happened over time. We a Believers just Trust in the Truth as our starting point. Science will never explain how we got here or how the earth got here. Only by believing that God, supernaturally created the earth, us, and all that is in it. I challenge you to seek Truth, find the answer for yourself. Don't believe me, your friends, or anyone else for that matter. If you do your research (science, the Bible, Atheistic Views) all are kidding themselves if they believe that have found absolute Truth in any thing other than God and His Word. God Bless and may He break our Hearts.
I am replying to all of you anti-christs& anti-Gods.
Seriously?? It is easier to believe that a wind 'just happened' and that it kept the waters back long enough for a million Israelites to cross , on DRY ground , and to stop exactly while the entire Egyptian army was in it to drown them, then to believe that God, who created ALL of the earth and everything in it did it?....It just happened???
Funny it has never occurred in post Biblical times.
That you or I are aware of.
Things occur in nature without having a person present to acknowledge that they did or did not happen.
The tree that falls in the middle of the forest, with no one present to observe or hear it, still falls.
IMHO wrote,"The tree that falls in the middle of the forest, with no one present to observe or hear it, still falls." Yes, Yes, Yes, but the real burning question is,"Does it still make any noise when it falls?"
Hebrews 11:1-3 1Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. 2This is what the ancients were commended for.
3By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
God has clearly shown himself to us. Now it is by faith that we must believe. And yes, miracles (the supernatural things in life) happen every day. Again, God has clearly shown and is showing Himself to us all.
Why do people try so hard to treat myth as fact?
For the same reason some people try to write off things they don't understand or can't personally prove as myths.
Because they are desperately clinging on to their dying religions in a day and age where more & more free thinking people are making their own decisions about god and the true origins of the universe. It's a nice story though.
maybe faith? maybe hope
Your myth is still a fact. Those things happened whether you believe it or not.
'Your myth is still a fact. Those things happened whether you believe it or not.'
your 'fact' is still a myth. Those things are still crock whether you believe or not.
You cannot disprove God's Word. I'm sorry but you just cannot do it. I challenge you to read God's Word and with an open mind. Then try to disprove it. You cannot do it! God=Truth / Truth is not God
'I challenge you to read God's Word and with an open mind. Then try to disprove it. You cannot do it! '
I challenge you to prove it. You cannot do it.