November 1st, 2010
11:50 AM ET

Did Stewart restore sanity? Or just have a comedic success?

When Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert announced their sanity rallies, politicians on both sides of the aisle took notice.

And with the event taking place so close to a crucial midterm election, many wondered what impact it might have on voters. Would a disillusioned citizen suddenly decide they needed to have their voice heard? Would the people in the middle find a way to silence the extreme views of the far right and far left?

With the rally over, and some time to reflect, we ask - was sanity restored or did a whole lot of people just show up to see their favorite comedians and work political satire into funny Halloween costumes that swamped the Metro trains of D.C.?

CNN Contributor John Avalon said the point of the rally was simple - people don't want to be divided.

"The rally's size and enthusiasm was evidence of a growing demand for something different - an alternative to predictable talking points and the partisan spin cycle, a desire for humor and honesty, independence and integrity. It is both an opportunity and an obligation."

In a article James Hohmann, Marin Cogan and Byron Tau answered the question about whether the rally would galvanize an unexcited Democratic youth movement in their second paragraph bluntly, with two words. "It didn't."

"The event, with the Capitol as the backdrop, was a comedic success ...," they wrote. "But Stewart’s decision to avoid explicit partisan politicking denied the left a kind of galvanizing moment that might have driven to the polls his Democratic fans who weren’t already planning to vote or motivated previously apathetic liberals to grass-roots activities ...
"While Stewart may not have changed many minds, he also did nothing that might create a backlash to his brand as an entertainer or blow up on Democrats."

In a column for the Huffington Post, however, Russell Bishop argued there was plenty to learn from what Stewart and Colbert did.

"Perhaps it is time to supplant the Biblical statement that 'a child shall lead them' (Isaiah 11:6) with something more contemporary. How about 'two comedians shall lead them'? Here's a large dose of gratitude to Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert for their inspiring civility lessons this weekend in Washington, D.C. Perhaps tapes of the event should be required viewing in civics classes these days?"

Bishop argued that regardless of your political views, the message he found in the rally was about the nature of the political conversations we are having, and the ones we should be having.
"My constant message is that even if you can't change the world, at least you can change yourself. If you can't change your circumstance, at least you can change how you respond," he wrote. "So, you can imagine how inspiring I found this rally to be: two comedians and some rock stars reminding us that life can be lived devoid of the nasty rhetoric that has become all too commonplace in what passes for discourse these days."
If you ask Forbes' Zina Moukheiber, the pair might be on to something.
"The two comedians might be on to something, tapping into the feelings of the disaffected middle. There are moderates all over the world, yearning to express their 'moderation.'  They can start with the Middle East."
David Wiegel, who attended the rally, described it in an article on as "a crush of humanity unlike anything I've seen liberals put together at the Capitol since the Obama inaugural."

"[Democrats]  had reverted, actually, from the confidence leading up to Barack Obama's election to the very familiar panic they felt during George W. Bush's presidency," he wrote.

But he also echoed what many others said - regarding the event as a sea of mocking, crazy signs - with no real impact.

"If looking for 'crazy' or smug protesters was less easy at this rally than at a Tea Party, or at the August Glenn Beck rally that inspired Stewart, that's cold comfort for liberals. Those rallies had important ideological thrusts. Beck's rally spent two hours informing conservatives that if they wanted to dismantle the welfare state - and they had to - they had a network of churches and charities that they could rely on to help the aged and care for the sick. The ideology of 'Restoring Sanity' was liberalism with a killing dose of helplessness."

But then again, perhaps the media might not be the right people to ask about how the rally went. At least that's likely what Stewart would say himself. After all, the rally began with a fiery criticism of the media for creating and nurturing of extreme political views.

Time magazine James Poniewozik even said as much: “don’t be surprised to see some defensive media responses to the critiques over the next few days.”

So we'll give you an alternative, the anti-media roundup from the always popular Auto-Tune the News.

Then tell us what you think. If you were at the rally, what did you take away from it, if anything? And what impact, if at all, do you think Stewart had on down-the-middle voters?

soundoff (349 Responses)
  1. Matt

    Did Glen Beck's Rally to Restore America's Honor restore honor to America?

    Just asking.

    November 1, 2010 at 12:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • tabu19

      I think he did!

      November 1, 2010 at 12:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • wann2know

      Only when on his knees sobbing like a baby girl.

      November 1, 2010 at 12:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jake

      There is nothing whatsoever honorable about Glenn Beck. So, no.

      November 1, 2010 at 12:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Newyorker

      Restore honor to America? You kidding me? That clown Beck couldn't find his way out of a paper bag, much less restore anything.

      November 1, 2010 at 12:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Science is Fact

      Lets not go expecting granola crunchers to react favorably to anything about Beck. Bait.

      November 1, 2010 at 1:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • bailoutsos

      I think anything that raises awareness about issues should be welcomed. Beck or Stewart.

      November 1, 2010 at 1:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • jimbob mcgee

      Frank, THat's hilarious, Beck followers don't like being told what to do? Except if it's Glenn Beck or Limbaugh or O'Rielly telling them what to do. I love how Beck especially says the government wants to tell you what to do, then he proceeds to TELL YOU WHAT to do, by actually saying and pointing his finger at you, "Here's what YOU need to do..." Hilarious. There are no greater sheep than those who follow Beck and Limbaugh and confuse "affirmation" of their ideals as information and news. Hilarious.

      November 1, 2010 at 1:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Johnny

      This is just another way of profiting off of a bad situation. To make comedy out of what is going on is like cracking jokes at a funeral. Of course Steward and Colbert are banking big time while there are people getting thrown out of their homes. "Let them eat cake!"...It is all funny till the guillotine is used.

      November 1, 2010 at 1:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Please, Oh!

      Frank, love you. You mean it brought out the honorable people aka people who just want to keep to themselves and show no social responsibility for others, instead just try to assure that no one messes with what is rightfully theres? Is that what you were trying to say?

      You being the hard working, self-righteuous American probably won't find yourself in this situation because you're waaaaaaay to smart have this happen to you, as an older person...but imagine this:

      Lose your pension, your retirement benefits. Lose your source of income. When you get colon cancer because you can't afford to see a doctor for a routine visit that would have found the disease, and then drag yourself to the hospital in the final stages with no health insurance and expect someone to pay for it, and the cost gets pushed out to the rest of us because no one is going to tell you how to live your life, think about how sweet that victory will taste.

      No government is going to give me health care if I don't have it! We have the best doctors in the world...and although I have exactly zero access to these best doctors in the world without mortgaging my home, losing everything I own, or burdening someone else to foot the bill...well, we have the best doctors in the world!

      November 1, 2010 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |


      November 1, 2010 at 1:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bard

      Restore Honor? Please, the man is a Mormon.

      November 1, 2010 at 1:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • oblahma

      @jimbob Beck doesn't say that at all. have you ever watched one of his shows? i think not, because every show he tells you not to take his viewpoint or anyone elses, but to research whats happening and determine for yourself what you believe. instead of following the crowd and making fun of him you would do better to actually follow Beck's advice and research what it is youre talking about.

      November 1, 2010 at 1:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • jimbob mcgee

      To funny Oblahma. Yes I watch(ed) Beck. Long enough to realize his schtick is all about divisiveness, rhetoric, and anger. Same old same old. And YES, he does tell the viewer what to do. AND, he recommends the books you should read. Which support his schtick. Don't know what show you're watching.

      November 1, 2010 at 1:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • U.S. Citizen

      When I can even understand what he's talking about, he seems to dishonor America with his revisionist history and demonization of those who disagree with him. I'm not sure from whom he and The Tea Party want to take back the country. Pesonally, I want to take it back from the corporations who control our government and are funding The Tea Party.

      November 1, 2010 at 2:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • David Warangel

      And Beck hypnotizes people and implants chips that force them to do his wished instead of making his own choices. Unlike liberals who always present all sides of issues fairly without any agenda and recommend outlets and books for people to read that represent both sides without any bias.

      November 1, 2010 at 2:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Wings2Sky

      "Honor" is a term like "Self-Esteem" – You can have tons of it, but that doesn't mean that you are qualified to make decisions. Honor is what made the French and English demand that the Germans surrendered everything in WWI. And that stripped the Germans of their honor. So they fought to restore their honor in WWII. We need to restore peace, civility and cooperation. Otherwise we will honor ourselves in muddy trenches with a no man's land inbetween – no one will win, no one will lose, people will die.

      November 1, 2010 at 2:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • 7ruth

      Honor never left america. The rally furthur divided america and instilled even more fear. And we already have too much of that.

      November 1, 2010 at 2:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • alan

      You mean he is going to actually do something himself instead of ask someone else to do it? Like join the Peace Corps, the military or raise enough money to actually help the poor, disabled and elderly who really depend on Social Security and Medicare, unlike Mr. Beck who is quite well off and does not need these programs.

      November 1, 2010 at 2:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • steve

      America never lost its honor. Beck wants us to feel like we are helpless and that only he can guide us out of our darkness. This is not the case. Its just that the honor of our country became overshadowed with fear of our neighbors and fear of ourselves; that our only recourse was mass revolution.

      Stewart and Colbert had the right idea and i am glad that they did not try to make the rally idealogical. It was a chance for moderates to show their support for the middle-ground, without yelling and screaming.

      November 1, 2010 at 2:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Amanda

      It did, but Tea Party activists decided against paying the bill and it got shut back off again.

      November 1, 2010 at 2:59 pm | Report abuse |
  2. pjchooch

    I keep reading commentary talking about the rally being for the "liberals" or "left." If you actually watch the show, they tend to spend a fair amount of time skewering the Democrats as well, even poking fun at the president the same week he appeared on the show.

    I think the confusion stems from the fact the the political conversion in this country is so right-based, that the center now looks like the left.

    November 1, 2010 at 12:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Frank

      They skewer the Democrats and obama for not being liberal enough. That make them liberal democrats.

      November 1, 2010 at 12:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Beth

      Frank, don't make comments that clearly show you have not bothered to watch either of their shows. It only makes you look bad.

      November 1, 2010 at 12:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Metro Marcus

      Glen Beck is an a** clown and does not know anything about the USA other than what his church instructs him to do. Mormons are ordered by their Church to vote Republican!!! They don't have a choice in this matter if they are to be "good mormons" (morons). God forbid Mitt Romney the Mormon nazi cultist get's elected for anything.

      November 1, 2010 at 1:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • irongoat81

      Frank... i'm just guessing you're an ignorant fool. that's based on what you said. see how that works? first you see what they say... then you make an informed decision.

      November 1, 2010 at 1:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jessy

      That's the problem with being on either side of the political spectrum. If one chooses to be in one side, they will start believing that anyone who doesn't share their views is out to destroy America. But the fact is... anyone who chooses to be on either side is incidentally destroying America on their own by simply bickering and pointing fingers at each other while the center is left alienated and forgotten and left to fend for themselves. Steven Colbert and John Stewart did an excellent job demonstrating what would happen if everyone was just like the Democrats and the Republicans.

      November 1, 2010 at 1:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Allie

      well said! It is so true.

      November 1, 2010 at 1:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • ALS

      Metro Marcus
      Don't let facts get in your way there. Fact 1: The Mormon church is neutral when it comes to political parties and every election they put out a letter that states exactly that. Fact 2: Hate to point it out, but Harry Reid is a Democrat and a Mormon. Fact 3: Before the Democrats incorporated a couple of planks in their platform (abortion, gay marriage), most Mormons voted Democrat.

      November 1, 2010 at 1:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • mobrule

      what's a political conversion?
      Did Stewart restore sanity? Or just have a comedic success?
      seriously, only the boneheads in the media would think that it was anything more than a stunt.

      November 1, 2010 at 2:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jay

      The are in it for the joke. The will skewer whomever sets up the best joke. For awhile it was mostly the Repiblicans that offered the best setup, so they joked at the Republicans expense. They are biased, but not left or right, Republican or Democrat; they are biased in favor of the joke.

      November 1, 2010 at 2:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • NealR2000

      The problem is, we all have our own idea of what "center" is. I'm sure you see yourself as a centrist, but I suspect that you are a leftist.

      November 1, 2010 at 2:05 pm | Report abuse |
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      November 1, 2010 at 2:37 pm | Report abuse |
  3. pjchooch

    No, but it did bump up his ratings!

    November 1, 2010 at 12:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jessy

      In a way, it did. They made us realize that being left or right will not help this country. As one of the picket signs mentioned at the rally said, "The Heart of America is at the Center".

      November 1, 2010 at 1:42 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Oh please

    It really are sad times that we have to turn to comedians for sanity...

    November 1, 2010 at 12:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • T,

      Do you think it is better to turn to Politicians or Glen Beck? While they may be comedians, they have something that a lot of America has lost: Logic.

      November 1, 2010 at 12:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • um ok

      yeah you have a point, we should be turning to the political shows with the 8 talking heads while they all shout at each other. Or maybe just O'Reilly yelling at his guests. No that's right, when you haven't seen a single episode of the Daily Show or Colbert Report, it's easy to lump comedians into a category of ignorance, when the truth is, those two comedians are more educated and realistic than any political analyst on air (except maybe Maddow 😉 )

      November 1, 2010 at 12:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kim

      I think that was Stewart's point...

      November 1, 2010 at 12:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Debbie

      Political satirists have to pay close attention to what's going on in order to be successful in their professions. For that reason, people like Jon Stewart and Bill Maher are able to put a realistic perspective on our politics. It's a quality that should be given more creditl – too bad more of them don't hold public offices.

      November 1, 2010 at 12:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • MrsFizzy

      Oh, please – at least they're not pretending to be something they're not!

      November 1, 2010 at 12:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • jeff

      It's nothing new. Since "Mark Twain" comedians have been a source (if not THE source) for pure social commentary. Any public speaking course will teach that comedy is how you keep your audience interested in what you have to say.

      November 1, 2010 at 1:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Please, Oh!

      Agreed! Let's burn every piece of Mark Twain writing we can find!

      November 1, 2010 at 1:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Oh please

      @um ok, umma ok, too! I did not imply or say comedians are ignorant. I look to the trade to bring insanity. Its like a jester in the king's court negoitiating world goes to show you what is lacking with the expert political analyst...who have sold their expertise to the highest bidder for propaganda purposes instead of assessing the truths of the matter. That being said, um ok you're not ok..

      November 1, 2010 at 1:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • chuff

      Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, George Carlin, Lenny Bruce, Mark Twain and Dr. Seuss understood the nature of humanity better than any politician who ever lived.

      November 1, 2010 at 1:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • cedarrapids

      'Its like a jester in the king's court negoitiating world treaties...'
      Actually that is appropriate. One role of the jester was to remind the king he was mortal, or in other words, keep the king grounded in sanity.

      November 1, 2010 at 1:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sanity

      Sad times indeed, brought to you by 8 years of failed bushonomics!!!

      November 1, 2010 at 2:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joe D'

      Hey Oh Please-
      America has a long tradition of having "comedians" be the bell weather for decency & rationality...
      Mark Twain through Will Rogers through Carlin.
      Also- I prefer Stewart & Colbert to the other comedians... Beck & Limbaugh

      November 1, 2010 at 4:13 pm | Report abuse |
  5. kimsland


    November 1, 2010 at 12:30 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Bryant

    I was at the rally on Saturday and the feeling I got amongst the mass of people was mainly a group just trying to show that they don't want to see extreme views and hear the crazy rantings of far left of far right people accusing the other side of single handedly bringing about the end of this country. But when Jon Stewart brought things to a more "sincere" tone it was really just Jon Stewart taking the opportunity to talk to 215 thousand people who were like him. And a chance to look at these people and to share some things he believes to be true. Those who wanted to take something from it, did. Those that wanted to find something wrong with it, did. And those that want to write the event off as merely a comedic event, will. Just as sanity, as Stewart said, is in the eye of the beholder, so too is the idea of the "success" of the event. Personally I saw it as a call to Americans to stop, take a breathe, think about the state of things, think about what they actually want, and realize that if we just remained calm in our dealings with each other that this country will move on. Maybe not in the way that it used to, but it will move on in the way that we allow it.

    November 1, 2010 at 12:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kim

      Well said!

      November 1, 2010 at 12:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • cecilia

      wonderfully stated – I had to watch from home but it was so very good – the messages came through loud and clear – it remains to be seen if they were heard – so glad you were able to attend – did I detect that Jon Stewart was very moved and emotional at the end. maybe I was seeing things

      November 1, 2010 at 12:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • GOGO

      totally Agree.....

      November 1, 2010 at 1:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Glenda

      Very well-said, Bryant! I, too, was at the Rally and walked away with the same take as you. If JS & SC held another rally this wknd, I'd be there! What an amazing experience ...

      November 1, 2010 at 1:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Oh please


      November 1, 2010 at 1:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bryant

      No I definitely felt like Jon Stewart was more "emotional" when he was talking with the people at the end. I'm glad more people feel the same way as me about what the rally meant for them. When I watched the part where Jon and Stephen debated using media clips it really made an impact for me to not just take the news for face value. Perhaps we can take news headlines as a way to become interested in the content of what is happening, and less on what the news team, no matter who says it. Siddhartha Gautama, founder of Buddhism, stated "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

      November 1, 2010 at 1:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • MediaDilettante

      Well said.

      Just to put it out there – the bus I took to DC from STL had 52 people on it with an average age of 45. Most were centralists but left leaning.

      I went as a call more to the media than politicians. Politicians play the game, but the media sets the rules. My hope was that it would be a slap in the face to the media that it is time for a game change. Stop insulting our intelligence and change your business models so you can do your jobs effectively. I am willing to pay for quality, non-filtered coverage. It may be boring and it should be complicated -- that is life; that is reality.

      November 1, 2010 at 1:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Christine L. Adams

      Nicely said.

      November 1, 2010 at 1:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Awanderingsoul

      Agreed! Couldn't have said it better myself....

      November 1, 2010 at 1:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • David Warangel

      Though I consider Stewart and Colbert biased to the left (and Beck is biased to the right and never tries to hide that), I applaud your comment as finally something substantive among the high schoolish/cliquish comments on here. I hope your characterization of the event and the people there is indeed accurate.

      November 1, 2010 at 2:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • moderatepolitic


      If you're looking for pure, unfiltered news, I find BBC News to be the best site out there. While many claim they are too liberal, I usually read several news sites a day (CBC, BBC, Fox, Globe and Mail, CNN, Retuers and Jerusalem Post), and BBC seems by far the least politically leaning. It is truly outrageous to read what Fox News has to say on a news story and what CBC has to say on a news story, then comparing the two.

      I don't understand how Fox can claim they are a Republican, pure right news site when their top articles always seem to include a selection of "Worst Dressed Celebrities" and "Best Bikini Bodies"

      November 1, 2010 at 3:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • M. GOMEZ

      Perfect !, I was there 2 with my kids. It was so festive and energetic, it felt so refreshing. I felt smarter just by being there with that kind people, felt for the first time the kind of America I used to admire from my native country, finally!! (just take a moment and take a glimpse at the signs there, it reflected on the kind of people that attended the event and followers of the show. Kudos JS and SC !!!!

      November 1, 2010 at 5:25 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Forest4trees

    I think CNN completely missed the point of the rally. THE RALLY WAS RAILING AGAINST YOU!!! The rally was not meant to galvanize a base or have a broad political statement. The majority of it was meant as a wake-up call to the media, begging for responsible coverage for once. Is CNN so blind to its own shortcomings that it can't even recognize when someone is blatantly pointing them out?

    November 1, 2010 at 12:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kim

      See: Dunning-Kruger Effect for the explanation of your comment...

      November 1, 2010 at 12:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • paul

      Absolutely! I aggree. CNN and other media should try to learn from the rally, its a wake up call for people who are still blind and deaf mentally.

      November 1, 2010 at 2:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rocknation

      CNN knows damn well that the rally was "meant as a wake-up call to the media, begging for responsible coverage." I haven't forgotten that Stewart attacked Crossfire so effectively it was canceled. And I certainly noticed that that some of the rally's video clips used to illustrate the irresponsible coverage were theirs. And they clearly haven't learned a thing–collecting the opinions of other political blogs while not offering one of their own is a Grade-A copout!

      November 1, 2010 at 2:49 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Pete

    Should've had Robin Williams come out in that white wig like he had in the movie where he played a person like Jon Stewart.

    November 1, 2010 at 12:35 pm | Report abuse |
  9. John

    Dumb and Dumber

    November 1, 2010 at 12:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jon

      Who, Bill O'Reilly and Shawn Hannity?

      November 1, 2010 at 12:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • cecilia

      dont be so hard on y ourself

      November 1, 2010 at 12:50 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Whaa?

    Comedians have always been a restoring force:

    The Marx Bros.
    George Carlin
    Bill Cosby
    Cheech & Chong

    November 1, 2010 at 12:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Oh please use of insanity venue!

      November 1, 2010 at 1:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jeff


      November 1, 2010 at 1:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lisa S.

      One of the favorite signs I saw at the rally said "I am a Marxist, but of the Groucho persuasion."

      November 1, 2010 at 2:50 pm | Report abuse |
  11. wann2know

    Smiling is a healthy thing. Did the minds of cynical, hatemongers change? Probably not until their mommies pick them up and tuck them in. Perhaps the forecasted gop gridlock in congress will restore sanity in america.

    November 1, 2010 at 12:41 pm | Report abuse |
  12. DanDarwin

    Congress needs to go ahead and have themselves a similar blowing off steam event. Kind of like when your desk is so messy you don't know where to even start cleaning. Your sitting there frustrated, non productive, and everything just gets messier. Instead just wipe the whole mess right onto the floor and start with a fresh outlook.

    November 1, 2010 at 12:42 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Rick in L.A.

    Bryant, that is an A+ assessment. Couldn't have been better said, and coming from someone who was actually there, it gives it more value. Thank you. Wish I could've attended.

    November 1, 2010 at 12:46 pm | Report abuse |
  14. GenericCereal

    That does it. We tried, folks. We tried reaching out to Glenn Beck's retarded delusional confederates and got nothing but vitriol in return. I think it's time for another civil war in this country. We've all seen the opposition; they're 200lbs overweight wheeling around oxygen carts. We've got this.

    November 1, 2010 at 12:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Oh please

      You, ahh, wouldn't happen carry generic fruitloops?

      November 1, 2010 at 1:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • LMAO

      wow that is so SO wrong but good lord I just laughed so loud at work!

      November 1, 2010 at 1:31 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Norm

    Its pretty obvious by the article and many of the posts here that there will always be people that "just don't get it".

    November 1, 2010 at 12:47 pm | Report abuse |
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