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Report: Co-pilot moved seat, sent jetliner plummeting
The co-pilot of an Air India Express 737 sent the jetliner into a terrifying 7,000-foot plunge in May when he accidentally hit the control column while adjusting his seat, investigators report.
According to the report from India’s Directorate General of Civil Aviation, the co-pilot panicked and was unable to execute the proper procedures as the jetliner dropped from 37,000 feet at a 26-degree angle. The plane and its 113 passengers were saved when the pilot, who’d gone on a bathroom break, used an emergency code to get into the locked cockpit, jumped back into his seat and grabbed the controls to bring the plummeting plane out of its dive.
The aircraft would have broken apart if the descent had continued, the aviation agency report said. The aircraft was not damaged and no one was injured, the report said.
After the pilot, 39, regained control of the plane, he told passengers, who were in the middle of a meal when the jet plunged, that the plane had “went through an air pocket and that is why there was a rapid descent,” according to the report.
The aviation agency report concluded that the 25-year-old co-pilot had not been trained in the specific scenario the jet encountered and “probably had no clue to tackle this kind of emergency.”
Neither the pilot nor co-pilot were named in the report.
The Air India Express flight was en route from Dubai to Pune, India, on May 25 when the incident occurred.
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I bet he will be working at his family ran 7 Eleven store from now on lol
American Solder [sic] : You realize you're just propagating a stereotype, don't you ? And that exists in every society. You also realize that any human can make this mistake, don't you ?
I will give you this (in case you were to make a reasonable comment / argument ) :
It was stupid of them not to have the co-pilot prepared for such an emergency. Hopefully a lesson has been learned.
Your comment about 7-11 is insulting and ignorant. It shows that your have very little formal education. First of all you, not all Indians own 7-11's or work in them. More importantly, this pilot lives and works >IN< India, not the United States. Your comment is moronic, insensitive, and just plain stupid.
Note that only 45% of Dairy Queen franchises are owned by Indians. Sorry I don't have the number for 7-11.
Thanks "Bruster", finally some stats we can rely on...lol
Hard working, honest folks aren't they. You jealous of their enterprise and energy?
It would be ok if they would shower once a week at least
Do u? Fu***** retard.
Trying to act like everyone without extensive formal education is somehow ignorant is very elitist of you. Shame.
You're right, some Indians are still in the application process waiting for a position at 7-11.
@ edmond < dude u r funny as hell i swear you making me laugh really hard please don't hate indian's "i m not indian" lol
It's better then waiting in a line for a REHAB center. At least it is an honest and hard working living.
I bet he and his family can spell ..... S O L D I E R
Fire him, he's too stupid.
AIR INDIA owes a plane load of people
NEW underwear and lunch to say the least!!!!
this is so funny, like a thrill ride, wish i were there
Panicked? Yep. Lose the clown.
Any so-called "pilot" who doesn't know how to pull a plane out of a simple dive should be demoted to baggage handling.
He certainly is stupid. He needs to be fired before he flies again.
He was leading that flight that fateful day over Macho Grande'.
This co-pilot should not be in command of this plane with so little knowlege. How many other unqualified pilots does air indea have?
Geez! The pilot had tons of booklearning with no experience whatsoever. Kind of surprising that being a pilot and being a president is so similar!
Are we sure he was not texting and trying to eat at the same time?
Sounds like a coverup. Sounds like a coverup!!
SOUNDS LIKE A COVERUP!!
Seats can't bump into the stick. The real pilot probably saved the plane from an early demise at the hands of the copilot as he probably intended to crash it.
If only there were some sort of control column to pull back on to pull the plane out of the dive...shame.
Over Macho Grande' sir?
Fire the idiot who certified him ready to fly, without completing education and certification on all emergency scenarios.
Ease off, Rex. He hasn't flown for years; it's not his fault. It could happen to any pilot.
I just wanted to wish you both good luck. We're all counting on you...
@Brett Buck
You obviously do not understand the laws of physios. Maybe you should be demoted back to highschool?
No, Striker, I'm afraid I'll never get over Macho Grande.
Here is a better report from the Wall Street Journal.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704700204575643401782593096.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
If we wanted a real report, we would not be on CNN, but thanks
This happened in May???? Kind of late to be reporting on this isn't it or did I miss something???
Can you not read? There was an inquiry/investigation.
Happened in May however the plane probably still smells like a few hundred people panicked for 7000 feet.
The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in a white zone.
This wouldn't have happened if Otto was at the controls.
LOL! There has never been stopping in the white zone!
This is about the abortion, isn't it.
We're all counting on you Striker!
Shirley you can't be serious?!
Yes, I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
India Air flight 454 now arriving at gate 12, 13, 14, 15, 16...
Stryker, you're too low!
Looks like he picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.
Oh my gawd, I think I pee'd a little! LMAO!!!
LOL!!!! Good one!
In rare instances, a dive such as this can be induced by a Fratistan inversion. Decoupling of the B autopilot system results when an asynchronous GPS interface loop overrides the Fratistan stabilization system resulting in full forward movement of the yoke. Recovery is usually automatic once mach buffet occurs over the wing and/or clacker speed is exceeded by 15%. Had the Captain been aware of this, he could have taken the time to enjoy a leisurely cup of coffee prior to hurriedly re-entering the flight deck.
Yeah.
What he said.
that's just what I was thinking
Um..........WHAT????
now it all makes sense..
And that pilot thought he was constipated....bet that co-pilot fixed that..:-O Haaaaaahahaha!
You are correct, Terry, but the pilot was probably too scared to let the plane recover by itself. I have seen this demonstrated by a fighter plane, but not yet with an airliner in air-worthiness trials, but I think it would work.
Duh.
"Usually", unless the plane breaks apart first.
i don't think it's safe to play a game of 'wait-and-see' when there's over a hundred passengers on board. the plane may have corrected itself when those conditions were met, but the passengers were probably all terrified, and the pilot made the right choice by correcting the situation as soon as he possibly could.
Even Google could not search up the terms... Fratistan inversion... congratulations dude
That's true, except when it's a left handed oscillating fratistan inversion.
The same condition can occur if the turbo encabulator is out of adjustment.
Kirk and Yakobi, your repective aviation and internet knowledge is impressive. You, like myself, obviously have an extensive aviation background both in aerodynamics and the Boeing 737 series aircraft. It is a rare pilot who understands the implications of the Fratistan system.
Hi Terry, can you elaborate on what a Fratistan inversion is ??? where can I read more about it ? Thank you
True, but this was the more common instance of Oops I bumped the throttle what the sh!# do I do now? co-pilot error.
Yakobi, the left handed oscillating Fratistan inversion has become far less of a problem since the introduction of the dual channel autopilot systems. Although initial autopilot systems suffered this ailment, dual channel systems or triple redundant systems such as the Boeing 777 have virtually eliminated this fault. As noted by Mr. Lamar, the only recent instances have involved misalignment of the Turbo Encabulator. I suspect this was the first thing maintenance checked upon the aircrafts arrival.
I'm trying to figure out why you would post such a comment. Well, I'm pretty sure I know, but I will let my humility take over and keep it to myself.
Terry, where can I find more information regarding your comment ? It's a pretty cool but a hidden feature I believe ...
Ha, nice attempt at spreading disinformation.
What really happened here is that the FO inadvertently turned on the A/P roll and yaw modes and made abrupt changes to the controls without turning off the A/P, causing more unintended control movements. He was not trained for aircraft recovery in A/P mode, only manual mode.
I can't iterate how much i love this comment and responses. Terry I commend you on your vast knowledge of technology. I'm printing this out and showing the other engineers I work with.
Ha Ha Ha. He said asynchronous, when everyone knows he should have said disynchronous. (lol)
Actually my grandfather used to have a saying when someone spoke like this. He would simply say "I had one of those once, but the wheel fell off".
It's all BS, folks.....
I thought it might of been the Flux Capacitor going bad.
After this, they will need to replace the differential girdlesprings and the reciprocating dingle arm.
Terry, I agree totally. The flux compasetor was probably being drained at the exact moment when the pilot flushed the comode thus causing an analog on the loop back system to overload the thingamagig causing his seat to inadverdantley to hit the steering column therefore causing the 7,000 feet spiral. My head hurts...
This is a possibility, if the retro-encabulator was also set to auto – if that's the case, the modial interaction of magneto reluctance and capacitive duractance between the 2 systems could have caused the dive. Another reason why I've never been a big fan of encabulators designed with pre-famulated amulite and malleable logarithmic casing – such interactions could be avoided with the more modern (but more costly) hydrocoptic marzul vanes...
i think he got cold feet in the middle of a poorly planned suicide. people, take note not to leave a note! it's incriminating!
This is why you gotta' TSA them pilots in the crotch. Keeps their mind on their business.
LOL!
I have credible sources backing up my comment (father is a Boeing flight instructor and commercial pilot for a major asian carrier for 25 years) – keep away from Air India and China Airlines. The pilots have very poor performance records. Stick to what you know – like call centers or designing databases. This is one industry/skill set that doesn't seem to match your strong suit....not for now anyways.
You have clearly never seen a database that was designed in India. Their database designers should stick to flying planes.
Yeah, and write the books on Database Design that are used in most American universities. But we should be happy, the vast majority of American "computer scientists" are about as smart as the hamburgers that they gorge on at the keyboard.
That's funny because the last time I looked, India developers largley use tools, languages, computers and operating systems developed by....western "Computer Scientists". Nice try, thank for playing...
U really are grumpy and old...
@GrumpyOldMan
U really are grumpy and old
See my previous comment. They can now only hire Indian pilots. They are not hiring any expats. So DEFINITELY AVOID these carriers!!!!
if he crashes the plane they will just cut off his arms and he won't be able to fly again. LOL
Hey "Sometimes",
This is regarding an Air India Pilot and not Emirates or any Islamic countries Airliner. Get your General knowledge [or go to Wiki] and facts straight. Indian pilots can simply bribe and get away and there is no such punishment in India that amputates body parts. Indian Penal codes have not changed much since the British left in 1947. Looks like you are one of those morons who thinks Indians are Muslims.
I've never flown and always been terrified to. Its stories like this that keep my fear firmly intacted.
That is too bad. There are too many beautiful places all over the world (across oceans), and only one short life. To see them is to have your eyes open.
You are perfectly safe if you travel on the better airlines..British Airways, American Airlines etc.. They are highly selective in their recruitment and train their pilots well. See the world..just not on this airline:-)
see a therapist.
"intacted" is not a word.
May? This isn't news...its olds. Slow day huh?
This story is about the results of the investigation not the incident.
Okay, check it, Habib, after you fix the nose dive make my croissant toasted with butter and coffee with half-n-half and 1 equal....that's 1 equal, not sugar...got it...now get back to your elephant riding lessons...
vud-vud, ding-ding! Thank you for calling tech support.