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If the marines has problem serving with gays side by side, then find another country that has no gay in the military. I bet they won't be able to find one anymore since this is the last industrialized country that still have people in the arm forces that discriminate and think like a DoDo.
Mike, you certainly do have a lot of faith in the power of gays. You really believe that allowing gay men and women to serve openly will cause that much chaos and destruction?
Brooks, you're an idiot. We have men and women in the services, and it's not acceptable for them to be kissing in the trenches and pinching each other's butts. Why on earth would that be acceptable for gays in the service either? Your ignorant bigotry is showing. You obviously don't really even know any gay people, and if you do, they're sure not really your friend.
Maybe you should serve first and then speak
@Andy – I really don't know what the impact will be; no one does. If it's going to have even the slightest impact on recruitment, then I think it's a stupid risk to take.
In my personal experience, I've been in a few clubs where once it was learned that gays were accepted, many gays ended up joining, and those clubs became known as gay clubs because the straight guys started to back off an join other organizations. Straight guys don't want to be in gay clubs; contrary to gay men's beliefs, all men are not gay and in the closet.
Mike you have GOT to be kidding me, you delusional old nut. To suggest that gays are somehow going to start flrting and making out while they're supposed to be fighting implies that they somehow have a lack of self control. It's the same nonsense that groups use to keep gays from working with children. If men and women who fight together aren't pinching each other's butts in the trenches than why the hell would two men or two women?? Do you even know a gay person?
Brooks – you really are an idiot. I served for 13 years and it was ok for men and women to have relationships and they didn't make out every chance they had to. These men and women are professionals and just because you are gay doesn't make you unprofessional. I am sure you never served otherwise you would have equated the military to a club.
Why ask the soldiers? Soldiers obey. They don't debate their orders with their superiors.
It's strange the Marines would have a problem since they always seemed to have the highest proportion of gay men and women, at least from what I saw from my Navy days.
I'm very curious to see how many active duty combat serviceman took the survey opposed to Weekend warriors (National guard/Reservist) This decision will sway my vote in 2012. .
Maligning those who serve and put their life in harm's way for you to have the freedom to to do that speaks volumes about your poor character.
What difference does that make? Many reservists were prior full time service at one time anyway and in recent years, have been called to active duty. As time goes on, it will eventually become unacceptable to even suggest that gays should not be treated the same as everyone else. We aren't there yet, but will get there, just as segregation in the south became unacceptable.
Most "Weekend Warriors" have more active duty time in service than the typical active duty forces...
uhuhreally – what planet do you live on? Most guard troops don't live the military 24/7/365 like active duty. Yes they've been called up to do tours in Iraq and Afghanistan but then they go home and a civilian job until the next natural diseaser affecting their state or training session. I avoid commenting on the guard and reserves contributions until they poke active duty in the eye like this and act better than they are!
@uhuhreally Your either a "Weekend-wannabe-Warrior" and are under serious delusion about how your 20 years of weekends and one 6 month deployment to a support base equate to even one 4 year active duty commitment, or you have never served and don't know sqaut about which you speak.
I took the survey. I am active duty and straight. I hope they repeal the law. It serves no purpose other than to alienate the gays that already do serve. Gays are already in the military and have been for a long time. This laws is a giant waste of time and money.
I was both! Active duty during the early 70's (Vietnam era), then active reserves, which is quite common. I have no problem with gays serving openly in the military. In those countries where it is already being done, there have been no problems.
How about my case were I served a full active duty term of enlistment as an Infantryman ETS'd but then decided to continue my service in the Reserve? I have been in for 10 years 6 in the Reserve but it sure as hell hasn't all been on the weekend. Most Senior NCOs in the Reserve were Active Duty first.
Obviously the majority of 3-4 year TIS AD SMs have no idea that the typical Guard or Reservist has on average 7 or 8 years of active time already in addition to their TPU time as well. But I digress as you can't argue with grunts who believe the world revolves around them.
As I'm retired from 20 years active duty infantry, I don't feel my opinion matters because I no longer put on the uniform nor will I have to deal with the problems. You all talk about combat and the field which is our bread and butter, but what you all fail to grasp is where servicemen really get into trouble is the garrison (the rear) they get to drinking talking trash and then they want to throw down. That's where the real problems will accour. If I were still on active duty I would make the Duty NCO a Sgt and the Aduty NCO a Cpl and put a firewatch on each level of the catwalk in the BEQ untill I was sure they could handle liberty call without incident. Sounds like over kill but better to keep the peace than to have to send troops to the BAS or the brig.
This response is for uhuhreally. There are only two occupational fields in the military. They are infantry and support. Your missions directly or indirectly support our missions. It's no wonder that grunts think the world revolves around us/them... It does.
incredibles , this would sway your vote? That is what is wrong with the people of this country, they worry about gay rights, abortions and stupid things and miss the real issues. That is what the power to be in washington want to do ,keep you busy worrying whether so and so is getting an abortion or joe next store to you is sleeping with a man. Not to worrry on the military side, there are lots of gays in the military always have been and always will be, whether they stay in the closet or not they are still there.
WF, the real curse on this nation is ignorant and bigoted people like you who think we live in a theocracy. You DO know what a theocracy is, don't you?
To Jim S., ask the Iranians this question! I am quite sure that they will be able to answer it for me.
I wonder if the Republicans who spent so much time expounding on the 'will of the public' will accept this study and vote to repeal, or if they will pander to their core again.
No.
It's a democratic White House that attempted to keep the Don't Ask Don't Tell until a later time period.. not the republicans.
A democrat campaigned for and signed this law.
Yes, so that he could get Republican support.
If the law isn't working for those it is actually affecting, then it's not o.k.
Gays and lesbians are already serving to protect your freedom to continue to discriminate against them from your easy chair at home! They will continue to serve and deserve the same benefits the rest of our soldiers and their families enjoy. It's about equal civil rights!
I wish there were like buttons on these!
This country has a lot of twisted minds calling evil good. what is most stunning is that this is supposed to be a 'Christian Country", supporting something the Bible speaks against. As long as God condemns this gay and lesbian life style, I will also condenms it. Go ahead, be politically correct and condenm this country. Remember, in the end, God will be the sole judge of every person. If you want to follow what this current generation calls good, though God calls it evil, you will pay a big price for stupidity – just like sodom and gomorrah did.
Wow, your bigotry is appalling. Firstly, America is not a "Christian Country;" we have something called "separation of church and state" in this country, look it up. Second, those "evil" gays are fighting and dying for your freedom every day, so instead of prostheletizing about how evil they are, maybe you should take a minute and do the patriotic thing, which is to thank them for their brave service. Keep your concern about judgement to yourself, don't preach to everyone else.
wf, there are a lot of misguided "Christians" in this country, and you appear to be one of them. If we are in fact judged by God in the hereafter, I'll bet a lot of people who think they are "saved" will be in for a rude awakening. From reading his book, I don't think God is a fan of hate and intolerance.
First of all, this never has been, nor will it ever be, a christian nation. Freedom of religion means freedom from religion. Ever heard of separation of church and state? It doesn't work if you only separate religions you don't like. As for the whole gay in the military thing, there are gays in the military right now. There always have been. There always will be. I'm sure they would appreciate a thank you instead of condemnation for a lifestyle that is none of your business.
@y2K – This country has always consisted of a population of predominately Christians; even today, 75% of the population is Christian, so, yes, this is a Christian country. I appreciate the service of all gay soilders, and as a citizen, I am happy with the way our military does its job; if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Christians are so mistakenly convinced about this being a christian nation. Of course, they use that excuse to promote hatred and intolerance of others. But they know in the end God will throw them in the lake for using his good graces for evil. To the gays, hang in there, america will eventually catch up with the rest of the world.
The Bible also says slavery is ok, you can stone children who disrespect their parents and many other cultural ideologies. It also says do no kill – and no, there are not any exemptions. So...how do you decide which laws to follow?
Brooks – there you go running your trap again. It is broke, we do need to fix it. Bigotry is not acceptable. WF – this not a christian country. This is a free country. Have you ever served? I doubt it. Service members will continue to protect your ignorance though.
Hey, WF, your misconceptions about the Bible are blinding you to the facts.
Jesus Christ said: "There is NOTHING from without a man, that entering into him can defile him", and he provided those words as a test to see if what people CLAIMED was from God as merely the traditions of men instead.
Your hate-filled message is a perfect match. 🙂 Per Jesus Christ himself, you are wrong!
This is a response to Y2K. Although I agree with the latter half of your comment to WF, your beginning is wrong. The US does not have ANYTHING that defines "a separation of church and state" – you look it up. This is a concept as outlined by Jefferson in his Danbury Letters but there is nothing that specifically says "a separation of church and state."
@R.Williams – McCain has flip flopped so many times on this he doesn't know what day it is, and I expect that republicans will continue to pander to their aging conservative core. They talk out of both sides of their mouths about reducing the deficit. They won't extend unemployment benefits because it will increase the deficit, but promote a tax cut for billionaires that will increase the deficit. Republicans have no core values, and will pander pander pander.
You are so right about McCain. He has flipflopped to the point that even he doesn't know what he believes.
If any gay has volunteered their life to protect me and my family and can endure the mental and physical exertions of basic training, let them serve openly. When the bullets are flying, every soldier would welcome ANY other soldier next to them. Even McCain.
R. Williams - no, the repubs will do just like Obama did with the health care fiasco and disregard the "will of the people" and keep DADT in place. Rightfully so by the way.
Bob – are you ok with bigotry? I bet you are upset that there are not "white only" barracks as well?
The Republicans are racist against the gays. They don't want to admit it. They don't want the gays to have there rights like the rest of the military. McCain is brain dead, as well as senile, but Arizona jerks keep voting him back into office. This guys collects like 4 government checks a month. You got it made McCain. Taxpayers are keeping your fed.
This unfair and discriminatory policy should be overturned immediately. The same tired arguments for it were once used about women and blacks in the military. If a soldier can't serve alongside a gay person, a female, or a minority - kick him out. Those are the loose canons that destroy the military's integrity.
In both cases society has evolved first, and the military followed suit. The military is not and should not be a testbed for the social issues of our time.
Allowing gays to serve is exactly what is going to erode the morality and integrity of the millitary. It's Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve or Jane and Eve.
I dont think that its like a gay pride parade they want i think its just the same benifits for their partners that other service men get for their families...
u see more butt slapping in football and baseball. thats just boys celebrating.
i am not gonna tell a 300 lb. lineman he is gay. get a grip