Witness: Arizona gunman 'was ready for war'
Law enforcement arrives Saturday outside a Safeway grocery store in Tucson, Arizona, after several people were shot.
January 8th, 2011
10:30 PM ET

Witness: Arizona gunman 'was ready for war'

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[Updated at 10:30 p.m. ET] A man who helped subdue the gunman in Saturday's Arizona shooting spree said the man was trying to reload when he was tackled to the ground.

"He was ready for war. He was not playing around," Joe Zamudio told CNN. "He was going to keep shooting. It was not over. He had just ran out of bullets."

The gun, which another bystander had wrestled from the gunman, was empty and cocked open, and the shooter had another magazine at the ready, Zamudio said.

Zamudio pinned him to the ground until police showed up. The suspect, 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner, is in custody of the Pima County Sheriff's Office, and authorities are obtaining search warrants for a residence and his vehicle. Authorities also are seeking a person of interest but his suspected connection to the incident is unclear.

Loughner is accused of shooting 18 people, including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, a third-term Democrat who had organized the "Congress on Your Corner" meet and greet. Authorities believe the gunman had specifically targeted Giffords. She is in critical condition after undergoing surgery for a single gunshot wound to the head, but doctors said they are optimistic over her prospects for recovery.

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Eleven others were wounded in the shooting and six are dead, among them U.S. District Court Judge John Rolls, a friend of Giffords' who had stopped by the event to say hello after attending Mass, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said.

Also killed was ÔĽŅGiffords staffer Gabe Zimmerman, director of community outreach who had coordinated the event to introduce Giffords to her constituents.

A 9-year-old girl also was killed.

The shooting sent shock waves through Washington, where Giffords was regarded as gracious and kind, a moderate Democrat known for her dedication to her constituents and willingness to work across party lines.

In light of the shootings, all legislation on the House schedule for the coming week has been postponed, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor announced in a statement.

Americans also struggled to come to terms with the event. Many of them showed up to a vigil at the Arizona State Capitol to pray together and share their thoughts.

In the Twitterverse, theories abounded as to the gunman's motivation. Meanwhile, while speaking to the press , the sheriff lamented "the vitriolic rhetoric" in American political discourse, suggesting it played a role in the shooting.

"This has not become the nice United States of America that most of us grew up in and I think its time we do the soul-searching," he said.

"The anger, the hatred the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous and unfortunately, Arizona has become the capital. We have become the mecca of prejudice and bigotry."

[Updated at 10:00 p.m. ET] A House vote scheduled for Monday on whether to repeal health care legislation has been postponed after Saturday's shooting.

All legislation on the House schedule for the coming week has been postponed in a decision by leaders of both political parties in the House so "we can take whatever actions may be necessary in light of today's tragedy," House Majority Leader Eric Cantor said in a statement.

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[Updated at 9:13 p.m. ET] Some who knew Giffords and others who just wanted an outlet for emotions in the wake of the shooting rampage gathered on Capitol Hill Saturday night to honor the victims.

More than 50 marchers braved subfreezing temperatures and gusty winds to march to the Capitol and up the west steps to hold the vigil.

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[Updated at 8:55 p.m. ET] A  law enforcement source familiar with the investigation says the Glock model 19 used in the shootings was purchased legally. The official did not have details at this time as to when and where the gun was purchased.

The gun was loaded with a 30-round magazine. The official said it is likely the extended magazine used in the shooting  was purchased separately and at a different time. The official said such a magazine does not automatically come with a weapons purchase and that it would be extremely rare for them to be sold together in one purchase.

The official said the suspect had purchased another gun a few years ago but this person did not know the details about what happened to that weapon and if the alleged shooter still owned it.

[Updated at 8:23 p.m. ET] Officials are not convinced that the suspected gunman acted alone, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik told reporters.

Law enforcement is actively searching for a "person of interest" who is a white male in his 50s believed to have assisted the suspect in a shooting, Dupnik said.

A suspect who Dupnik would not name is in the custody of the Pima County Sheriff's Office, he said. The suspect has had previous contact with law enforcement "regarding threats" to kill, Dupnik said, and described him as having a "troubled past."

CNN has confirmed that the suspect's name is Jared Lee Loughner, 22, whose apparent online footprint professes an distrust of government and a fondness for books such as "Mein Kampf," "The Communist Manifesto," "Peter Pan" and "The Republic."

"There's reason to believe this individual has a mental issue and I think that people who are unbalanced are especially susceptible to vitriol," he said.

"Vitriol" in public debate was a recurring theme in Dupnik's remarks as he blasted the media for "the vitriolic rhetoric" heard on television and radio.

[Updated at 7:57 p.m. ET] Gabe Zimmerman, director of community outreach for U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, was among those killed in Saturday's shooting at a constituents meeting outside a Tucson Safeway, Gifford press secretary CJ Karamargin said.

Zimmerman was the staff member who set up today’s event in Giffords’ district, Karamargin said. The Tucson native was engaged to be married.

[Updated at 7:43 p.m. ET] The Army said in a statement that the suspect in the shooting was never in the Army.

"He attempted to enlist in the Army but was rejected for service.  In accordance with the Privacy Act, we will not discuss why he was rejected," the Army said in a statement.

[Updated at 7:21 p.m. ET] Jared Lee Loughner, the suspect, had a limited presence on social-media sites, including YouTube and MySpace. Here's a sampling of some of the messages that CNN found on Loughner's pages:


December 26, 2010: I'm not going to change the mistakes, you don't know – funny! (I think the CIA watches my-space)

December 30, 2010: I now understand a certain word - Cult!


December 15, 2010: If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon.

I define terrorist.

Thus a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially
as a political weapon.

If you call me a terrorist then the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem.

You call me a terrorist.

Thus the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem.

December 15, 2010: The majority of citizens in the United States of America have never read the United States of America's Constitution.

You don't have to accept the federalist laws.

Nonetheless, read the United States of America's  Constitution to apprehend all of the current treasonous laws.

You're literate, listener?

Read more about Loughner's digital footprint on CNN.com

[Updated at 7:12 p.m. ET] The University of Arizona's men's basketball game against Stanford University has been postponed following the shootings.

"The University feels the game should be delayed with deep respect to the victims and families impacted by this tragedy," Arizona athletics director Greg Byrne said.

The game will be played at 12:30 p.m. MST Sunday.

[Updated at 6:48 p.m. ET] Saturday's deadly shootings at an Arizona constituency meeting outside a Tucson Safeway appear to have “no nexus to terrorism," a law enforcement official said.

This official did not know if there had been any recent threat against Rep Giffords but said there are frequent threats to various members of Congress, mostly via phone  calls or e-mails, or mailed threats.

[Updated at 6:30 p.m. ET] U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts released this statement on the death of U.S. District Court Chief Judge John Roll, who was killed in the shootings:

"Chief Judge John Roll was a wise jurist who selflessly served Arizona and the nation with great distinction, as attorney and judge, for more than 35 years.  I express my deepest condolences to his wife Maureen and his children, as well as the other victims and their families.  Chief Judge Roll’s death is a somber reminder of the importance of the rule of law and the sacrifices of those who work to secure it."

[Updated at 6:16 p.m. ET] The Tea Party released this statement regarding the shootings:

“We at the Tea Party Express are shocked and saddened to hear about the terrible tragedy that took place in Tucson today. It is appalling that anyone would commit such unthinkable violence against Congresswoman Gabrielle Gifford, her staff, a sitting federal judge and the many other victims and families impacted.

"These heinous crimes have no place in America, and they are especially grievous when committed against our elected officials. Spirited debate is desirable in our country, but it only should be the clash of ideas.  An attack on anyone for political purposes, if that was a factor in this shooting, is an attack on the democratic process.  We join with everyone in vociferously condemning it."

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[Updated at 5:41 p.m. ET] ÔĽŅÔĽŅÔĽŅWho is Gabrielle Giffords? She's¬†a Democrat who¬†was first elected in 2006. She has served as chairwoman of the House Space and Aeronautics Subcommittee and also holds seats on the House Science and Technology and Armed Services committees.

She won her third term in a closely contested race against a Tea Party-sponsored candidate and was one of three Democratic legislators who reported vandalism at their offices following the March vote on health care reform.

She is married to Navy Capt. Mark Kelly, a NASA astronaut who is scheduled to lead a space shuttle mission to the International Space Station. The two married in 2007, after meeting four years prior in China, as young leaders selected by the National Committee on U.S.-China Relations, Giffords told the New York Times in her wedding announcement.

The article described their courtship as a drawn-out affair between two deeply committed civic servants who slowly found their way to each other. When they met, Giffords was seeing someone and Kelly was married.

After Giffords split from her boyfriend, she invited Kelly to join her on a tour of the Arizona State Prison in Florence.

"I‚Äôd been working on legislation dealing with capital punishment. Mark is the son of police officers ‚ÄĒ well, he just really wanted to sit in ‚Äėthe chair,' " she told the newspaper.

The two married three years later, they married at an organic produce farm in Amado, Arizona, called Agua Linda. An avid recycler, Giffords wore a Vera Wang gown borrowed from a friend.

"To a bride who moves at a velocity that exceeds that of anyone else in Washington, and a groom who moves at a velocity that exceeds 17,000 miles per hour," a wedding guest said in a toast to the couple.

[Updated at 5:20 p.m. ET] Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer expressed condolences for the shooting victims - 6 are dead and 12 injured.

"I am just heartbroken. Gabby (Giffords) is more than just a colleague she is a friend. She has always been a noble public servant," an emotional Brewer said, pausing for composure.

"I ask the people of Arizona and the people of America to keep the victims and their families in their prayers, and pray for their recovery and pray that in Arizona we never have to experience a tragedy like this ever again."

Giffords publicized the "Congress on Your Corner" meet-up at the Safeway in her southern Arizona district on her Twitter account.

Judge John Roll, the chief judge on the U.S. District Court for Arizona, was among 6 people killed, along with a 9-year-old girl, officials said.

Witnesses said the gunman shot Giffords at point blank range through the head and then continued firing. The suspect, identified by law enforcement sources as Jared Lee Loughner, has been taken into custody.

[Updated at 4:52 p.m. ET] Chief Judge John Roll was among 6 people killed at an Arizona constituent meeting outside a Tucson grocery store Saturday.

[Updated at 4:30 p.m. ET] The suspect in a shooting at an Arizona constituent meeting outside a Tucson grocery story is a white male born in 1988, CNN's Jeanne Meserve has confirmed from a federal law enforcement source.

Six people have died, including a 9-year-old girl, and 12 were injured, including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, authorities said.

[Updated at 4:07 p.m. ET] Rep. Gabrielle Giffords is in critical condition and a young child has died after a shooting at a political meeting at an Arizona grocery store, a hospital spokesman said Saturday.

Giffords, who was hosting the event, is under anesthesia after undergoing surgery for a single gunshot wound to the head "through and through," said Dr. Peter Rhee, Trauma Director at the University Medical Center in Tucson.

"The Congresswoman is not deceased. She is in critical condition," Rhee said in a press conference. "I am very optimistic about recovery."

Giffords publicized the "Congress on Your Corner" meet-up at the Safeway in her southern Arizona district on her Twitter account.

[Updated at 3:40 p.m. ET] Six people have died and 12 - including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords - were injured in a shooting at a political meeting at a Tucson, Arizona, grocery store Saturday, according to Rick Kastigar of the Pima County Sheriff's Department.

[Updated at 3:20 p.m. ET] A suspect is in custody in the shootings of at least 12 people, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, at a constituent meeting at an Arizona grocery store, the U.S. Capitol Police said in a statement.

"The suspect is in custody. No further details on the motive or other victims are available at this time," the statement said. "The U.S. Capitol Police are directly involved in this investigation. As more information is developed, it will be provided. In the interim, all Members and staff are advised to take reasonable and prudent precautions regarding their personal security."

A statement from President Obama confirmed that some people had died.

"This morning, in an unspeakable tragedy, a number of Americans were shot in Tucson, Arizona, at a constituent meeting with Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords.  And while we are continuing to receive information, we know that some have passed away, and that Representative Giffords is gravely wounded," he said.

"We do not yet have all the answers.  What we do know is that such a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society.  I ask all Americans to join me and Michelle in keeping Representative Giffords, the victims of this tragedy, and their families in our prayers."

[Updated at 3:00 p.m. ET] Rep. Gabrielle Giffords is currently undergoing surgery for a gunshot wound to the head, a spokeswoman for the University Medical Center in Tucson said.

Nine patients were brought to the hospital, including a child. All of them are in either serious or critical condition and are undergoing surgery, spokeswoman Darci Slaten said.

A federal judge was also among those shot, a law enforcement official said. It is not clear whether he was among those taken to the hospital.

[Updated at 2:43 p.m. ET] There were conflicting reports Saturday about the condition of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords following a shooting Saturday at a Tucson, Arizona, grocery store. Giffords' press secretary said the congresswoman remains in surgery for her injuries, disputing an earlier report from a law enforcement source saying she had died.

[Updated at 2:23 p.m. ET] U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords died Saturday after a gunman opened fire at a Tucson, Arizona grocery store, a law enforcement source said. Giffords, who had been holding a meeting with constituents, was among at least 12 people shot.

[Updated at 1:51 p.m. ET] U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was among at least 12 people shot at a Tucson, Arizona, grocery store, a Democratic source told CNN's Dana Bash. The source called her injuries "pretty serious."

[Updated at 1:41 p.m. ET] U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was meeting with constituents at a Safeway grocery store in Tucson, Arizona, where at least 12 people were injured in a shooting shortly after 10 a.m. MST Saturday, a spokesman for the Pima County sheriff's Department said. It is unclear whether Giffords was among those hurt.

"Several" people were shot Saturday at a grocery store in Tucson,
Arizona, a spokesman for the Pima County Sheriff's Department said. No other details were immediately available.

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  1. Victor



    In these YouTube videos posted on 12/15, the shooter, Jared Lee Loughner, – left hints of the Tucson shooting.

    January 8, 2011 at 5:27 pm | Report abuse |
  2. richmondmike

    While it's very unfortunate for this Rep. and her family, it's even more unfortunate that a 9 year old boy lost his life and we've barely heard a word about him or the others killed.

    January 8, 2011 at 5:27 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Syna

    Sooo Sad, just read the shooter was a white male about 22 yrs old...Man r first thought always in attacks like this, is that it's a Terroist of some sort. American's we have r own terroist right here!!!! and they come in all races. What makes a young person so angry? killing a 9 yr old girl, a Judge among others. We need to some how come together to bring this madness to a stop. It;s so easy to point fingers, blame others and argue with each other, but wouldnt it be nice to take that negative energy and turn it into positive energy and come together? Especially during times like this. Maybe I sometimes live in a fantasy world to even think like that, but some must admitt is sounds nice.

    January 8, 2011 at 5:28 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Luke Brown

    Giffords was the only one of Sarah Palin's "Hit List" not to be defeated last November. I guess you can take her name off the list now, huh?

    I wonder if Palin is still advocating the right of wackos to own guns.

    Heartfelt prayers for Judge Roll. child, and others killed. Good luck, Congresswoman Giffords. God bless their families during this time.

    January 8, 2011 at 5:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • bj

      Don't hold your breath. She has to wait until her 'ghost' writer can compose her tweet and change her so called hit list.

      January 8, 2011 at 5:47 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Only one person to blame for this tragedy

    There is one and only one person resposible for today's tragedy, the shooter. No one incited him to do this, no one made him do it. He made that choice. I don't understand why anyone would try to let him off the hook by blaming news agencies, political figures, or other personalities.

    Best wishes to those affected by this tragedy.

    January 8, 2011 at 5:29 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Rob

    I will say this.. Here in Illinois we had a man named Matthew Hale. He founded a church and an organization based on hate speech and racism. A man who was a member of his church killed a Black coach named Ricky Brydsong, Hale was convicted of inciting violence among other things. The people whether tea party,rep, Muslim, liberal etc.. who spout hate from the platform are just as responsible for their followers actions as the follower is. But the simple fact is a 9 year old girl ,a man and possibly Gifford , all human beings with families have lost their lives due to the senseless violence that is plaguing this country.

    January 8, 2011 at 5:29 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Nick

    I especially hate the ones who are too cowardly to off themselves. Now you've committed an atrocious act, AND you're going to cost millions to taxpayers. Well, hopefully your cell-mate knows what to do with a guy who killed a 9-year old, and hopefully he does it quickly.

    January 8, 2011 at 5:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • john

      Just as I suspected all of the useless politics now come out when someone in office gets hurt and the "blame squad" starts howling about how it was Sarah Palin's fault. She had nothing to do with a nut bag murderer and you know it but you have to talk about "politics" at a time of tragedy. Jared Loughlin is responsible for this crime, no one else. I couldn't care less what party you belong to these folks need your prayers now not your politics.

      January 8, 2011 at 6:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Thersa

      John, How is it you read Nick's comment and see an attack on the tea party or conservatives? You protest too much, perhaps.

      January 8, 2011 at 6:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • chrisH

      This was not the fist shotting a Gifford. Here office was shot at earlier this past year. Where was the moral majority? This kind of "call to action" along with Palin's words like "we need to reload" have now resulted in what she can legitimately cliam as her first horrendous victory. Way to go Palin. Now, let's all go out and shoot some magnificant animals in celabration like they do in Sarah's Alaska. BTY, I still believe in the right for citizens to bear arms, but not the right of people to incite unstabe individuals to carry out their political aims.

      January 8, 2011 at 6:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • awe

      @ theresa I think he was responding to the reply below him.

      January 8, 2011 at 7:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mary Ratchford

      To John: When Sarah Palin irresponsiibly puts the cross-hairs of a gun into the political conversation and ads, she either is responsible for unhinged people taking her up on her visual "suggestion" of shooting political opponents or she doesn't realize what she is doing. Her irresponsible behavior should be condemned and not tolerated in our political dialogue. All such a "suggestions" or visualizations do is bring out the nut cases and gives them a justifucation for their actions, and their demented minds tell them "Sarah told me too". Shame on the gunman, but also shame on Sarah Palin.

      January 8, 2011 at 7:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • god


      During her recent unsuccessful campaign for U.S. Senate in Nevada, Sharon Angle repeatedly said in public that if the Tea Party could not win with ballots, they would use their ‚ÄúSecond Amendment remedies.‚ÄĚ This was open, public advocacy for assassinations of any candidates who defeated Tea Party candidates. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords defeated her Tea Party opponent in the November election. Now one of Angle‚Äôs nut case followers has carried out her command and attempted to assassinate Giffords. Angle should be prosecuted as severely as her puppet gunman.

      Sarah Palin also displayed photographs of Rep. Giffords in the cross-hairs of a rifle, again obviously hoping to stir some equally deranged member of the public to shoot Giffords. Palin too should be prosecuted.

      January 8, 2011 at 7:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • tr

      If Sarah Palin and Sharon Angle are guilty of murder than all of congress, former President Bush and President Obama are all guilty of murder for sending thousands to their deaths in an unjust war.

      January 8, 2011 at 7:22 pm | Report abuse |
  8. ddetroit

    While the videos of Jared Lee Loughner show that he was disturbed, he only followed the script written by right wing provocateurs like Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin. They urged "real Americans" to "get their guns," "reload" and "target" politicians like Ms. Gifford. We shouldn't be shocked when someone is disturbed enought to follow their rhetoric and when innocent people, including children are killed. I wonder if Mr. Beck and Ms. Palin will now be morally honest enough to celebrate the inevitable results of their irresponsible words. I doubt it. This horrible tragedy didn't begin with the shooting and I'm afraid that it won't end with it either.

    January 8, 2011 at 5:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • rachel

      you are absolutely disturbed.

      January 8, 2011 at 5:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • CNNscienceteam

      Looks like you are as much of a lunatic as the shooter, whose ideology seems to be absolutely incoherent.

      January 8, 2011 at 5:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • not shocked

      The story line should not be that this is a wake-up call for Congress; but a wake-up call for the media and those like Michelle Bachman, Palin, Beck,et al. Whether it is the Republican Governor Rick Perry of Texas or a Tea party Patriot holding a racist hate sign, or a political pundit displayed by the media as legitimate is irrelevant. "Taking someone out" has become a right-wing mantra. We all know there are disturbed persons among us. we all know there are minds easily manipulated. We all know guns are the "bling" of the right wing. We all know this day is inevitable. we are not shocked. We are disgusted that no one is willing to stand up to and shut down those enablers given air time it stir the pot,create controversy and a good story. Accept the blame. We are all at fault!

      January 8, 2011 at 5:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • whatthefk

      True...Fox...Sara...republicans...Tea Party...spreads falsified information (example:Obama – Muslim, Take our country back...etc). When you guys says words...they have the meaning....people like this guy or others like you who are mentally disturbed does thease things....STOP IT ...if you belive in God....

      January 8, 2011 at 5:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Terry

      Funny, the Uni-Bomber was working from Al Gore's manifesto that has been proven to be wildly falsified hyperbole. I didn't hear anyone making comments like that from them. Besides, this idiots favorite books include the Communist Manifesto. Right wingers don't make a lot of statements like "No! I won't trust in god!. The Good Representative is Pro Gun Rights, Pro Troups at the Border and one of only 19 that voted against Pelosi. You are looking for politics when all that is before you is another psycho.

      January 8, 2011 at 9:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mark C

      Actually, you are an imbecile. The Unabomber had nothing to do with Al Gore, you pathetic moron.

      January 8, 2011 at 10:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • taxadvisor4you

      And... the unibomber has nothing to do with this moron

      January 8, 2011 at 11:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Linda Barnes

      Please see Gabriella Giffords on this map. The DANGER of insighting violence is very evident here. Maybe you will say it is not related, but I still say that if anyone is injured or killed after this posting, Palin should be held responsible. There needs to be a STOP to all the violence. Make your beliefs known with you VOTE, not your gun.
      Sarah Palin's PAC Puts Gun Sights On Democrats She's Targeting In 2010

      January 8, 2011 at 5:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • JusticeToAll


      January 8, 2011 at 5:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Janyce Eviston

      ddetroit, you are absolutely right. The Republican party is reaping exactly what it has sown. I wish they would have to stand trial standing next to this disturbed young man that they manipulated into pulling the trigger.

      January 8, 2011 at 6:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • john

      read what I just wrote...right now there is no "right wing" or "left wing" anything, just a gravely injured person who actually put her life on the line for her fellow citizens, along with 12 others who I pray will live. May the Lord take care of the dead in this. Loughlin will get his I assure you.

      January 8, 2011 at 6:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Heidi

      www hillbuzz dot org has some screen grabs from Daily kosers... Who now says they are "going after" Sarah Palin's daughter. Loony leftiest idiot Kathy Griffen.. What does she mean by that??? You libs are such hypocrites, who has the hate spewing out of ya, YOU DO..

      January 8, 2011 at 6:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • mattie

      Of course the hate fiilled rhetoric on the right had something to do with this. Is there any doubt

      January 8, 2011 at 6:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • iamacamera

      How does it feel to be the most stupid, truly stupid, and ignorant individual on the planet. How do you even find the floor in the morning without help?

      January 8, 2011 at 6:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mona

      I totally agree with you ddetroit. Listen to the politicians argue and bicker, conduct rallies that incite hate, disrespect the President by calling him a liar (we will reap what we sow), and WE EXPECT OTHERS TO BE CIVIL TOWARDS our politicians?!! What?!! God Bless us all. God's wrath with be swift and just.

      January 8, 2011 at 6:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • D Money

      yea, no one talked like that about Bush? did you get your stupid on today or what

      January 8, 2011 at 7:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve Gee

      Implying Democrats don't have a history of using violence to advance their causes. Black Panthers are just one example. Violence is okay so long as its against the other side.
      Btw Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin are as phony as the Clintons and other so called Liberals. They are just paid actors getting the masses distracted while the real policy makers carve up whats left of the country. They are frontmen and they know it and have nothing but scorn for The People.

      January 8, 2011 at 6:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • JM

      The black panthers were democrats? what?

      January 8, 2011 at 9:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • whitephostous

      Man, I can't believe that you believe that. How can Sarah Palin or Glen Beck responsable for this act? Just becasue this "shooter" seems to have latched onto some very conservative views doesn't in itself make him a horible person or for anyone who is a fan of either Glen Beck or Sarah Palin. The facts as of right now is that this young man showed some very disturbing actions....I bet no one, not his friends or his immediate family ever thought he would do this. But because he did do them other people with conservative thoughts or ideas should not be lumped in with this guy who did this in Arizona. In additon, to the liberal gun laws of Az, I bet those who have the conceled weapons permits didn't bring their guns to the rally, because they honestly believed that there was a security and figured "what could possibly happen?" Its either that or they had them but they weren't loaded.

      January 8, 2011 at 6:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • chatiecathy7

      The right wing nuts such as Palin, Beck, Hanity, Limbaugh and all their cronies didn't actually pull the trigger, but it has been their words that incite nuts such as Loughner. They know that if they repeat it enough, eventually someone will take them at face value. The sad thing is, there are lot more of nuts out there like Loughner who will see this act as patriotism, and may decide to become another Loughner. Their twisted minds are easily manipulated and right wing NUTS know this and are counting on this. Very Sad!!

      January 8, 2011 at 6:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Erin

      LOL. Have you even been watching the news? He hated the WHOLE GOVERNMENT. I'm pretty positive it's going to come out here shortly that he was a paranoid schitzophrenic. He rambled on about things that make no sense, and was obviously not well. It saddens me that nobody cared enough about him to encourage him to take medications etc. If they had, this might have been prevented.

      January 8, 2011 at 8:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kevin

      Finally, a sensible comment...

      January 8, 2011 at 8:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Matthew

      I would like to offer my condolences to the families and friends of the people that this kid murdered today.

      January 8, 2011 at 11:16 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Jason Hatcher

    Ramblings on Youtube:


    I do suspect someone has already posted.

    January 8, 2011 at 5:32 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Jackie

    Bottom line in.....the shooter is just another crazy, sociopathic, creep who was posting weird, nonsensical crap just weeks before letting loose on innocent people.

    This is nothing new. Surely, his parents, family, etc. knew he was a troubled person.

    One look at his creepy Youtube videos and you know he is a problem waiting to happen.
    (he talks about getting a bible at his military recruitment, even though his application did not profess a faith - oh geez!
    and rambling about grammar and the government - all wacko stuff!)

    You can't make sense out of people who have no sense and do senseless things.

    My prayers are with the wounded, dead, dying, bystanders and their families who have to endure such horror.

    January 8, 2011 at 5:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chad

      The guy is weirdo, heavy in philosophy. So much so, it made him crazy. An atheist and a product of our liberal teachers in college. Go figure.

      January 8, 2011 at 5:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • ed

      chad you are stupid.

      January 8, 2011 at 6:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chad

      Ed, and your an idiot.

      January 8, 2011 at 6:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • john


      January 8, 2011 at 6:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • mamatat

      it's "you're", Chad, not "your".

      Those liberal teachers could have done you some good.

      January 8, 2011 at 6:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chad

      mamatat–don't get so caught up in grammar like this Jared character did. It will make you go insane. This guy was fascinated with English grammar for some odd reason and as stated before heavy in Philosophy. Who cares if I mistakenly used "your" instead of "you're." There are more important things in the world than to whine and cry about some stupid grammatic error.

      January 8, 2011 at 6:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • awe

      I didn't realize only liberals studied and taught philosophy...could you please explain how learning about philosophy has anything to do with being crazy?

      January 8, 2011 at 7:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • tr

      Too much Philosophy breeds irrational and unrealistic thought. I wonder how many people thought themselves to the crazy house?

      January 8, 2011 at 7:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Cason

      Chad, some murderers like milk, does this mean I can't like milk?


      January 8, 2011 at 7:25 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Homegame

    Is this the same Jared?


    January 8, 2011 at 5:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jackie

      yes, look at his bio on the same page

      January 8, 2011 at 5:34 pm | Report abuse |
  12. John Wayne

    Wake up people!!! The Reps and Dems do not give a care for us people in America. When will you all wake up and realize the whole country is a ponzi scheme.

    January 8, 2011 at 5:32 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Mrs Allheart

    The alleged shooter, Jared Lee Loughner, is clearly mentally ill. He has posted antigovernment rantings on YouTube under the name classitup. He is on Facebook without his middle name - just Jared Loughner.

    January 8, 2011 at 5:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tharms

      He is clearly mentally ill because he has anti-government opinions? Jeez, lady, are you straight out of an Orwell novel or what?

      January 8, 2011 at 5:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tharms

      It's no less embarrassing then the group think on display here in the comments section.

      January 8, 2011 at 5:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • john

      Tharms...Loughner (I got it right this time) is mentally ill because he just shot and killed several people, six so far, and tried to kill several others. The Fort Hood murderer is also mentally ill...this will not prevent either one from getting the death penalty. Once again...it had nothing to do with politics, it was a killer looking for his victims.

      January 8, 2011 at 6:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Gardenier

      Anti-Government rants are not what makes one mentally ill. In fact, this situation can be a point in that this individual is intelligent enough with enough control over his mind and body to properly plan out and execute this shooting.

      January 8, 2011 at 6:30 pm | Report abuse |
  14. ed

    holy s hit i go to this safeway all the time during college

    January 8, 2011 at 5:32 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Louis

    Guns have nothing to do with this outrage!!!! The motivation did and I'm sure it came from the GOP propaganda. If he burned flags it was because we have a black president in the WHITE HOUSE, and the baggers can't stomach that.

    January 8, 2011 at 5:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Willy

      Again?? We DO NOT have a black president! He is as much white as black, 50/50. When will you and the media stop saying that he is the first black president?
      Besides, what has race got to do with this episode and this nut?

      January 8, 2011 at 6:05 pm | Report abuse |
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