Witness: Arizona gunman 'was ready for war'
Law enforcement arrives Saturday outside a Safeway grocery store in Tucson, Arizona, after several people were shot.
January 8th, 2011
10:30 PM ET

Witness: Arizona gunman 'was ready for war'

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[Updated at 10:30 p.m. ET] A man who helped subdue the gunman in Saturday's Arizona shooting spree said the man was trying to reload when he was tackled to the ground.

"He was ready for war. He was not playing around," Joe Zamudio told CNN. "He was going to keep shooting. It was not over. He had just ran out of bullets."

The gun, which another bystander had wrestled from the gunman, was empty and cocked open, and the shooter had another magazine at the ready, Zamudio said.

Zamudio pinned him to the ground until police showed up. The suspect, 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner, is in custody of the Pima County Sheriff's Office, and authorities are obtaining search warrants for a residence and his vehicle. Authorities also are seeking a person of interest but his suspected connection to the incident is unclear.

Loughner is accused of shooting 18 people, including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, a third-term Democrat who had organized the "Congress on Your Corner" meet and greet. Authorities believe the gunman had specifically targeted Giffords. She is in critical condition after undergoing surgery for a single gunshot wound to the head, but doctors said they are optimistic over her prospects for recovery.

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Eleven others were wounded in the shooting and six are dead, among them U.S. District Court Judge John Rolls, a friend of Giffords' who had stopped by the event to say hello after attending Mass, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said.

Also killed was ÔĽŅGiffords staffer Gabe Zimmerman, director of community outreach who had coordinated the event to introduce Giffords to her constituents.

A 9-year-old girl also was killed.

The shooting sent shock waves through Washington, where Giffords was regarded as gracious and kind, a moderate Democrat known for her dedication to her constituents and willingness to work across party lines.

In light of the shootings, all legislation on the House schedule for the coming week has been postponed, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor announced in a statement.

Americans also struggled to come to terms with the event. Many of them showed up to a vigil at the Arizona State Capitol to pray together and share their thoughts.

In the Twitterverse, theories abounded as to the gunman's motivation. Meanwhile, while speaking to the press , the sheriff lamented "the vitriolic rhetoric" in American political discourse, suggesting it played a role in the shooting.

"This has not become the nice United States of America that most of us grew up in and I think its time we do the soul-searching," he said.

"The anger, the hatred the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous and unfortunately, Arizona has become the capital. We have become the mecca of prejudice and bigotry."

[Updated at 10:00 p.m. ET] A House vote scheduled for Monday on whether to repeal health care legislation has been postponed after Saturday's shooting.

All legislation on the House schedule for the coming week has been postponed in a decision by leaders of both political parties in the House so "we can take whatever actions may be necessary in light of today's tragedy," House Majority Leader Eric Cantor said in a statement.

Read more on CNN.com

[Updated at 9:13 p.m. ET] Some who knew Giffords and others who just wanted an outlet for emotions in the wake of the shooting rampage gathered on Capitol Hill Saturday night to honor the victims.

More than 50 marchers braved subfreezing temperatures and gusty winds to march to the Capitol and up the west steps to hold the vigil.

Read more on CNN.com

[Updated at 8:55 p.m. ET] A  law enforcement source familiar with the investigation says the Glock model 19 used in the shootings was purchased legally. The official did not have details at this time as to when and where the gun was purchased.

The gun was loaded with a 30-round magazine. The official said it is likely the extended magazine used in the shooting  was purchased separately and at a different time. The official said such a magazine does not automatically come with a weapons purchase and that it would be extremely rare for them to be sold together in one purchase.

The official said the suspect had purchased another gun a few years ago but this person did not know the details about what happened to that weapon and if the alleged shooter still owned it.

[Updated at 8:23 p.m. ET] Officials are not convinced that the suspected gunman acted alone, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik told reporters.

Law enforcement is actively searching for a "person of interest" who is a white male in his 50s believed to have assisted the suspect in a shooting, Dupnik said.

A suspect who Dupnik would not name is in the custody of the Pima County Sheriff's Office, he said. The suspect has had previous contact with law enforcement "regarding threats" to kill, Dupnik said, and described him as having a "troubled past."

CNN has confirmed that the suspect's name is Jared Lee Loughner, 22, whose apparent online footprint professes an distrust of government and a fondness for books such as "Mein Kampf," "The Communist Manifesto," "Peter Pan" and "The Republic."

"There's reason to believe this individual has a mental issue and I think that people who are unbalanced are especially susceptible to vitriol," he said.

"Vitriol" in public debate was a recurring theme in Dupnik's remarks as he blasted the media for "the vitriolic rhetoric" heard on television and radio.

[Updated at 7:57 p.m. ET] Gabe Zimmerman, director of community outreach for U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, was among those killed in Saturday's shooting at a constituents meeting outside a Tucson Safeway, Gifford press secretary CJ Karamargin said.

Zimmerman was the staff member who set up today’s event in Giffords’ district, Karamargin said. The Tucson native was engaged to be married.

[Updated at 7:43 p.m. ET] The Army said in a statement that the suspect in the shooting was never in the Army.

"He attempted to enlist in the Army but was rejected for service.  In accordance with the Privacy Act, we will not discuss why he was rejected," the Army said in a statement.

[Updated at 7:21 p.m. ET] Jared Lee Loughner, the suspect, had a limited presence on social-media sites, including YouTube and MySpace. Here's a sampling of some of the messages that CNN found on Loughner's pages:

MySpace

December 26, 2010: I'm not going to change the mistakes, you don't know – funny! (I think the CIA watches my-space)

December 30, 2010: I now understand a certain word - Cult!

YouTube

December 15, 2010: If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon.

I define terrorist.

Thus a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially
as a political weapon.

If you call me a terrorist then the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem.

You call me a terrorist.

Thus the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem.

December 15, 2010: The majority of citizens in the United States of America have never read the United States of America's Constitution.

You don't have to accept the federalist laws.

Nonetheless, read the United States of America's  Constitution to apprehend all of the current treasonous laws.

You're literate, listener?

Read more about Loughner's digital footprint on CNN.com

[Updated at 7:12 p.m. ET] The University of Arizona's men's basketball game against Stanford University has been postponed following the shootings.

"The University feels the game should be delayed with deep respect to the victims and families impacted by this tragedy," Arizona athletics director Greg Byrne said.

The game will be played at 12:30 p.m. MST Sunday.

[Updated at 6:48 p.m. ET] Saturday's deadly shootings at an Arizona constituency meeting outside a Tucson Safeway appear to have “no nexus to terrorism," a law enforcement official said.

This official did not know if there had been any recent threat against Rep Giffords but said there are frequent threats to various members of Congress, mostly via phone  calls or e-mails, or mailed threats.

[Updated at 6:30 p.m. ET] U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts released this statement on the death of U.S. District Court Chief Judge John Roll, who was killed in the shootings:

"Chief Judge John Roll was a wise jurist who selflessly served Arizona and the nation with great distinction, as attorney and judge, for more than 35 years.  I express my deepest condolences to his wife Maureen and his children, as well as the other victims and their families.  Chief Judge Roll’s death is a somber reminder of the importance of the rule of law and the sacrifices of those who work to secure it."

[Updated at 6:16 p.m. ET] The Tea Party released this statement regarding the shootings:

“We at the Tea Party Express are shocked and saddened to hear about the terrible tragedy that took place in Tucson today. It is appalling that anyone would commit such unthinkable violence against Congresswoman Gabrielle Gifford, her staff, a sitting federal judge and the many other victims and families impacted.

"These heinous crimes have no place in America, and they are especially grievous when committed against our elected officials. Spirited debate is desirable in our country, but it only should be the clash of ideas.  An attack on anyone for political purposes, if that was a factor in this shooting, is an attack on the democratic process.  We join with everyone in vociferously condemning it."

Read the full story on CNN.com

[Updated at 5:41 p.m. ET] ÔĽŅÔĽŅÔĽŅWho is Gabrielle Giffords? She's¬†a Democrat who¬†was first elected in 2006. She has served as chairwoman of the House Space and Aeronautics Subcommittee and also holds seats on the House Science and Technology and Armed Services committees.

She won her third term in a closely contested race against a Tea Party-sponsored candidate and was one of three Democratic legislators who reported vandalism at their offices following the March vote on health care reform.

She is married to Navy Capt. Mark Kelly, a NASA astronaut who is scheduled to lead a space shuttle mission to the International Space Station. The two married in 2007, after meeting four years prior in China, as young leaders selected by the National Committee on U.S.-China Relations, Giffords told the New York Times in her wedding announcement.

The article described their courtship as a drawn-out affair between two deeply committed civic servants who slowly found their way to each other. When they met, Giffords was seeing someone and Kelly was married.

After Giffords split from her boyfriend, she invited Kelly to join her on a tour of the Arizona State Prison in Florence.

"I‚Äôd been working on legislation dealing with capital punishment. Mark is the son of police officers ‚ÄĒ well, he just really wanted to sit in ‚Äėthe chair,' " she told the newspaper.

The two married three years later, they married at an organic produce farm in Amado, Arizona, called Agua Linda. An avid recycler, Giffords wore a Vera Wang gown borrowed from a friend.

"To a bride who moves at a velocity that exceeds that of anyone else in Washington, and a groom who moves at a velocity that exceeds 17,000 miles per hour," a wedding guest said in a toast to the couple.

[Updated at 5:20 p.m. ET] Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer expressed condolences for the shooting victims - 6 are dead and 12 injured.

"I am just heartbroken. Gabby (Giffords) is more than just a colleague she is a friend. She has always been a noble public servant," an emotional Brewer said, pausing for composure.

"I ask the people of Arizona and the people of America to keep the victims and their families in their prayers, and pray for their recovery and pray that in Arizona we never have to experience a tragedy like this ever again."

Giffords publicized the "Congress on Your Corner" meet-up at the Safeway in her southern Arizona district on her Twitter account.

Judge John Roll, the chief judge on the U.S. District Court for Arizona, was among 6 people killed, along with a 9-year-old girl, officials said.

Witnesses said the gunman shot Giffords at point blank range through the head and then continued firing. The suspect, identified by law enforcement sources as Jared Lee Loughner, has been taken into custody.

[Updated at 4:52 p.m. ET] Chief Judge John Roll was among 6 people killed at an Arizona constituent meeting outside a Tucson grocery store Saturday.

[Updated at 4:30 p.m. ET] The suspect in a shooting at an Arizona constituent meeting outside a Tucson grocery story is a white male born in 1988, CNN's Jeanne Meserve has confirmed from a federal law enforcement source.

Six people have died, including a 9-year-old girl, and 12 were injured, including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, authorities said.

[Updated at 4:07 p.m. ET] Rep. Gabrielle Giffords is in critical condition and a young child has died after a shooting at a political meeting at an Arizona grocery store, a hospital spokesman said Saturday.

Giffords, who was hosting the event, is under anesthesia after undergoing surgery for a single gunshot wound to the head "through and through," said Dr. Peter Rhee, Trauma Director at the University Medical Center in Tucson.

"The Congresswoman is not deceased. She is in critical condition," Rhee said in a press conference. "I am very optimistic about recovery."

Giffords publicized the "Congress on Your Corner" meet-up at the Safeway in her southern Arizona district on her Twitter account.

[Updated at 3:40 p.m. ET] Six people have died and 12 - including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords - were injured in a shooting at a political meeting at a Tucson, Arizona, grocery store Saturday, according to Rick Kastigar of the Pima County Sheriff's Department.

[Updated at 3:20 p.m. ET] A suspect is in custody in the shootings of at least 12 people, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, at a constituent meeting at an Arizona grocery store, the U.S. Capitol Police said in a statement.

"The suspect is in custody. No further details on the motive or other victims are available at this time," the statement said. "The U.S. Capitol Police are directly involved in this investigation. As more information is developed, it will be provided. In the interim, all Members and staff are advised to take reasonable and prudent precautions regarding their personal security."

A statement from President Obama confirmed that some people had died.

"This morning, in an unspeakable tragedy, a number of Americans were shot in Tucson, Arizona, at a constituent meeting with Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords.  And while we are continuing to receive information, we know that some have passed away, and that Representative Giffords is gravely wounded," he said.

"We do not yet have all the answers.  What we do know is that such a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society.  I ask all Americans to join me and Michelle in keeping Representative Giffords, the victims of this tragedy, and their families in our prayers."

[Updated at 3:00 p.m. ET] Rep. Gabrielle Giffords is currently undergoing surgery for a gunshot wound to the head, a spokeswoman for the University Medical Center in Tucson said.

Nine patients were brought to the hospital, including a child. All of them are in either serious or critical condition and are undergoing surgery, spokeswoman Darci Slaten said.

A federal judge was also among those shot, a law enforcement official said. It is not clear whether he was among those taken to the hospital.

[Updated at 2:43 p.m. ET] There were conflicting reports Saturday about the condition of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords following a shooting Saturday at a Tucson, Arizona, grocery store. Giffords' press secretary said the congresswoman remains in surgery for her injuries, disputing an earlier report from a law enforcement source saying she had died.

[Updated at 2:23 p.m. ET] U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords died Saturday after a gunman opened fire at a Tucson, Arizona grocery store, a law enforcement source said. Giffords, who had been holding a meeting with constituents, was among at least 12 people shot.

[Updated at 1:51 p.m. ET] U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was among at least 12 people shot at a Tucson, Arizona, grocery store, a Democratic source told CNN's Dana Bash. The source called her injuries "pretty serious."

[Updated at 1:41 p.m. ET] U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was meeting with constituents at a Safeway grocery store in Tucson, Arizona, where at least 12 people were injured in a shooting shortly after 10 a.m. MST Saturday, a spokesman for the Pima County sheriff's Department said. It is unclear whether Giffords was among those hurt.

"Several" people were shot Saturday at a grocery store in Tucson,
Arizona, a spokesman for the Pima County Sheriff's Department said. No other details were immediately available.

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  1. karma

    It truly is time for Sarah Palin to leave the 'stage' and go back to Alaska where she belongs and take her ilk with her

    January 8, 2011 at 11:45 pm | Report abuse |
  2. taxadvisor4you

    Sarah is an evil woman no doubt. She has stirred up these nuts and is equally guilty of murder.

    January 8, 2011 at 11:46 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Helen White

    Great point, "At the moment Sara Palin said "Don't retreat, reload" she had a bullseye on this congressperson's picture on her website. Who can seriously argue that this is not criminal instigation??" I blame Palin and her hate movement the teaparty a modern day KKK Nazi movement to put fear and hate in the hearts of people they don't like. I hope Sarah goes to hell she extremely evil like her vile party can't sleep.

    January 8, 2011 at 11:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Alaska Dawn

      Jared Loughner, Alleged Shooter in Gabrielle Giffords Attack, Described by Classmate as "Left-Wing Pothead", by school friends as "a flag burning, radical liberal, atheist, and obsessed with the world ending in 2012".

      FVCKING Left-Wing Potheads!

      January 9, 2011 at 12:40 am | Report abuse |
  4. Helen White

    Great point, "At the moment Sara Palin said "Don't retreat, reload" she had a bullseye on this congressperson's picture on her website. Who can seriously argue that this is not criminal instigation??"

    January 8, 2011 at 11:51 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Raj DG

    Where is Sarah Palin ? She was the one who had pictures of gun sights on Giffords. Giffords even mentioned that there could be "consequences". Palin has blood on her hands. They can't win the elections, but that doesn't mean they start promoting violence against their opponents. What a shameful turn American Politics has taken since Palin became Palin !!! What a shame for great nation !

    Excerpts from a site

    "But then, she recounted how she was on Sarah Palin's hit list. "We have the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district," she said. "And when people do that, they've got to realise there are consequences."
    Giffords was referring to a map of the US that Palin had posted on her website. There were a number of gun sights; one was for Giffords. But shortly after the shooting on Saturday, it mysteriously disappeared from Palin's site."

    January 8, 2011 at 11:51 pm | Report abuse |
  6. rick

    This is typical of the left wing taking advantage of a horrible and violent act then pointing fingers at conservatives. Later when the truth comes out and this blaming is proven false, they will quietly sweep it under the rug and not report what really happened. Then the damage will be done with alot of ignorant people believing their lies.

    January 8, 2011 at 11:52 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Lora

    I think that people really need to stop blaming people who have had nothing to do with the shooting. Marilyn Manson did not cause the Columbine shootings and Palin and Beck didn't cause this one. The people who pulled the triggers are responsible for their own actions. Period. We live in a free society where dialogue is encouraged, even if you disagree with what is being said. I have never heard any of the people tell anyone to go start shooting politicians.

    January 8, 2011 at 11:59 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Mike

    Good job Sarah Palin... I guess this is your "Mission Accomplished"?!?

    January 8, 2011 at 11:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • wammy130

      Any inteligent person knows that Sarah Palin and the Tea Party are not about violence in any way, shape, or form.

      Besides this Physco is a liberal, communist, and a nazi.

      He is not a Tea Party person. Stop trying to blame your political enemies for a nut job.

      When you look at yourself in the mirror try to be honest.

      January 9, 2011 at 12:56 am | Report abuse |
  9. toshmaster1

    the same narative over and over all in the name of having guns.

    January 9, 2011 at 12:03 am | Report abuse |
  10. IsabelC

    Leave Palin, republicans and Tea Party alone and chk. out Obamas' VAN JONES, LaRaza, LaCasa, MECha, Little Louie Guierrez if your interested in seeing where this hate and violence against this country and its citizens comes from!!!!

    January 9, 2011 at 12:08 am | Report abuse |
  11. conoclast

    Somehow seeing a 'shocked' woman in crisp studio makeup doesn't line up. Is Brewer human?

    January 9, 2011 at 12:09 am | Report abuse |
  12. tonybinca

    Yet another MK Ultra false flag operation which will be used to take away what remaining rights we have. Anybody wonder why security couldn't stop a guy from shooting 18 people with a handgun? Why did he get off more than one shot? This stinks of a psyop. Nice touch also that he is reported as Jared Lee Loughner, another 3-named lone gunman. Wake the $$$$ up people.

    January 9, 2011 at 12:10 am | Report abuse |
    • DEE61

      Are You Serious? Stop watching conspiracy movies and reading fiction. Pick up a text book read some factual unbiased reporting. There was no security present. The congresswoman was there trying to do real good and felt no security was needed becuase she was genuine in her heart that she was doing her best for everyone. She had faith that people would realize this to be true. Then some delusional nut with a twisted sense of reality shot and killed nearly 20 people. You need to get out of the fantastic world of make believe and start looking for the truth before you become one of those 3 name nuts. Just my advise and opinion.

      January 9, 2011 at 1:46 am | Report abuse |
  13. JJ

    Gunman was 'ready for war.' Ya think? That's exactly what the weaker minded on the right are bent on inciting: war, violent uprising, armed revolution.

    January 9, 2011 at 12:16 am | Report abuse |
  14. mailman

    It's good to see that the government can trace all our comments. So much for anonymity. The overwhelming majority of our representatives are in the hip pockets of business and/or the rich. It's a shame that one of the few who is listening to the people (and the other people there) should suffer for the deafness of our government. If this is'nt a wakeup call to the fat cats in Washington I don't know what is. No taxation without representation.

    January 9, 2011 at 12:18 am | Report abuse |
    • Steve Lyons

      And there should be no representation without taxation. If you don't actually PAY to fund the federal government you should NOT be allowed to vote. The same should be true at the state level. If you don't directly pay property taxes you should NOT be allowed to vote yourself handouts.

      January 9, 2011 at 2:09 am | Report abuse |
    • fetechef

      It wasn't the government who was reading his blogs, it was CNN, after the news of this tragedy had already broke. If the government had been watching this young man's posts they would have already stopped him, or investigated him. Paranoia like yours is exactly the same kind of mind set that drives other, less balanced individuals to think they have the right to take the law into their own hands.

      January 9, 2011 at 2:45 am | Report abuse |
    • Sam

      Is this what the tea party's and radical numb nuts call wake up call shooting a 9 year old child shame on you. Are condoning or condemning this brutal thoughtless act. Since the radical right ( I consider myself conservative not moderate nor liberal but rational conservative) has no rational thoughts or resolutions just rhetoric's and slogans like yours and as your statement suggest decide to turn each debate and discussion into a blood feud. Shame on you to even give this moment of terrible loss for this great nation to spew more vitriol.
      Its about time Americans decide whether we are one, no matter what our political , religious inclination are or are maniacs killing our own prove a point. Murdering who disagree and have a divergent viewpoints is a wake up call indeed to show how radical , polarized and dogmatic psychopaths can be Shame on you.

      January 9, 2011 at 4:01 am | Report abuse |
  15. Timber39

    Generally it is either Libertarians or Right Wingers who rail against the government, not Lefties. Also Center and Center-Left politicians are not known for intemperate and splenetic harangues, but it is the life blood of Brothers Beck, Limbaugh and their clones, so it's a good guess that this guy was affected by their bile. The Tea Party and Fox News are guilty of shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater.

    January 9, 2011 at 12:20 am | Report abuse |
    • just me

      abso-f'in-lutely

      January 9, 2011 at 2:39 am | Report abuse |
    • Hillary

      What a bunch of nonsense. The left spends much of its time dividing the country and fomenting class warfare. Trying to pass blame is just laughable.

      January 9, 2011 at 2:55 am | Report abuse |
    • B. Eastman

      Well said. I agree with you. I've been dreading this day but I'm not surprised. Threats and hate speech toward persons whose political views are more humanitarian has been getting out of hand. People armed with guns proudly displayed them at a resistance rally to health insurance reform last year. Imagine that! Folks wanting to shoot politicians who want to make insurance companies accountable for delivering a decent product instead of shaking us down because of our universal need for health care.

      January 9, 2011 at 3:59 am | Report abuse |
    • Chairmanbuzz

      Say, its the report of his "online footprint" that should all of us concerned the most. Everything said here and in our emails can and will be used against us in a court of law should that need ever arise. I guess its best we don't take the invite to post our opinions here. We could be having a bad day, lash out in anger over a subject or matter, and be held as insane later if we run a red light and smash into a fruit stand...

      January 9, 2011 at 5:07 am | Report abuse |
    • Chairmanbuzz

      I did join-in on the fun and anger poked at Bush and Cheney, but it seemed to have much more credence and was made in the light of political anger, rather than deep, personal hatred like the right-wind conservatives such as Beck, Limbaugh, Coulter, Hanity, Meagan, and such carry in their rhetoric. Its clear these Fox Network based pundants will have to be held accountable to some degree if they eventually crack this lunatic and he comes clean as to his who he listens to in the media...

      January 9, 2011 at 5:14 am | Report abuse |
    • John Foster

      Wow! A liberal against free speech. Go rethink your wacked out opinion.

      January 9, 2011 at 5:46 am | Report abuse |
    • Kyle

      We hear Gov. Brewer and Sarah Palin express their sorrow, but they have directly encouraged this for the last year in their hate filled rhetoric. Now those "nuts," try and say the left does it as well. No!, we dont say to put people in our 'sites' , "we are at war"...etc. All you extreme right wingers, tea party nuts, this is what you wanted, just own it. Stop being a hypocrit by saying you are saddened and not responsible.

      January 9, 2011 at 5:57 am | Report abuse |
    • chris

      Of course Obamas "enemies" speech did nothing to foment anger.

      January 9, 2011 at 5:59 am | Report abuse |
    • Luis Teixeira

      This hapenig when the politicians encourage people to hate, immigration, health care and economics in arizona if you are not with the republican party you are agains them....for sure this mark a new era in politics for republican party and take responsability for feed the unger on the people....now they have to define ifthey are going to continue with their hitler politics or calme and call integration....

      January 9, 2011 at 6:38 am | Report abuse |
    • BlessThemLord

      Yes!! There is no longer a thoughtful exchange of ideas, or admission that the other guy's argument may have some merit. Now, it's just 'if you don't agree with me then you are my enemy'. We see this manifesting itself in politics. I trace this to the Hannitys, O'Reillys and Limbaughs of the world.

      January 9, 2011 at 7:49 am | Report abuse |
    • sweathog

      Each Congressman should have a secret service body guard. As soon as the glock came out, security could have intervened. A 30 round clip must have made the thing bulky as hell. Congreesmen want to be able to mix in with the public. Unfortunately, the public is full of violent psychopaths. We are a violent nation at war in two countries, we're happy to let anyone have an assault rifle, crazy people wander the streets, and our culture and entertainment is full of death and killing. This is an empire on the decline. Random shootings, kidnappings and assasination are our future and we need to come to terms with that.

      January 9, 2011 at 8:24 am | Report abuse |
    • taxpayer

      wait...

      what?

      what the hell does "Peter Pan" the novel have to do with this?

      "Mein Kampf," "The Communist Manifesto," and "The Republic." i understand...

      but Peter Pan???

      January 9, 2011 at 8:47 am | Report abuse |
    • David Lukshus

      Regarding this article, there is an interesting difference yesterday between Tea Party Express Chairwoman Amy Kremer's statement (above) and Sarah Palin's statement:

      From Amy Kremer ‚Äď "These heinous crimes have no place in America, and they are especially grievous when committed against our elected officials. Spirited debate is desirable in our country, but it only should be the clash of ideas. An attack on anyone for political purposes, if that was a factor in this shooting, is an attack on the democratic process. We join with everyone in vociferously condemning it."

      Now, Sarah Palin ‚Äď "My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today's tragic shootings in Arizona. On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice."

      Notice the difference?

      There's no appeal from Palin that the actions taken yesterday by Jared Lee Loughner have no place in our society. This was her full statement. Now, compare it to any other full statement given by our public officials who weighed-in yesterday.

      A debate at this point about whether Jared Lee Loughner was influenced by the tenor and content of the mudslinging in our political landscape today is at the very least subjective and at the worst polarizing to what we should be getting back to as a society. Instead, we should be looking for common ground at this moment. Common ground in our values, principles, hopes, and dreams. And, we should expect from our family, community, and political leaders to remind us what they stand for.

      This is not a time for wiggle room or ambiguous statements. Yesterday, Sarah Palin demonstrated at best a shocking lack of depth as a person and at worst a cunning lack of willingness to condone a murderous act against a citizen elected through our democratic process. She either has no opinion beyond expressing her condolences and prayers, or she doesn't want to go on record with comments that could possibly alienate her fans.

      January 9, 2011 at 9:15 am | Report abuse |
    • ted409

      your comment is just an example of what a tea party official said would be said about them.
      the tea party is sick of the way government is effecting their lives. they organized and changed the makeup of the house in the last election
      thats the way things are supposed to be done at the ballot box
      the gun was bought legally, the shooter passed the background check even tho he had apparently made death threats in the past.
      hes anothr john henkley ... an nut job who slipped through the cracks ........... even though several people described him as very disurbed and had been asked to leave classes in pre algebra asnd finally banned from the class
      he slipped through the cracks
      gabby recognized her hubby, responds to instructions, so thats good. saw an article on jim brady hes paralyzed on his left side. a volunteer had craddled her head in his lap and applied clothes and aprons brought from the meat dept of a grocery store to help control the bleeding they say this probably save her life. i saw a picture of her being taken away and hes still there holding her hand and her holding onto his as they head toward the helicopter hopefully she ll make it
      this wasnt done because of the tea party it was done because the shooter is insane !!!

      January 9, 2011 at 12:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Charlton Heston

      A 30-round extended magazine is just the thing if you are going on a shooting rampage. The gun companies might want to consider 60-round clips though so that you can't get tackled when reloading.

      January 9, 2011 at 1:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Pleasechooseanother

      When your elevator doesn't go to top and you hear voices it makes no difference if your right or left handed.

      January 9, 2011 at 1:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Trey Todd

      There is a short book published before the election called "A Nation of Haters and Victims". It is about the current state of language, rhetoric, misinformation.and the media. Americans are never short of opinions but things have really spiraled out of control. Perhaps it is time for intelligence and sound research to take centerstage instead of 9 or 45 second sound bites.

      January 10, 2011 at 8:42 am | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      lol, you cant be serious....If i remember correctly, its the left wing who is calling for a revolution....Van jones, *cough*, Bill Ayers, *cough*, Richard Trumka, *cough*.

      "get out your pitchforks", remember?

      Tell me, when's the last time you saw conservatives take to the streets in violent riots. It was the lefty's who were rioting in the 60's...do all you lefty's have that short of a memory? You are all hypocrites.

      January 11, 2011 at 1:34 am | Report abuse |
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