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[Updated at 10:30 p.m. ET] A man who helped subdue the gunman in Saturday's Arizona shooting spree said the man was trying to reload when he was tackled to the ground.
"He was ready for war. He was not playing around," Joe Zamudio told CNN. "He was going to keep shooting. It was not over. He had just ran out of bullets."
The gun, which another bystander had wrestled from the gunman, was empty and cocked open, and the shooter had another magazine at the ready, Zamudio said.
Zamudio pinned him to the ground until police showed up. The suspect, 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner, is in custody of the Pima County Sheriff's Office, and authorities are obtaining search warrants for a residence and his vehicle. Authorities also are seeking a person of interest but his suspected connection to the incident is unclear.
Loughner is accused of shooting 18 people, including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, a third-term Democrat who had organized the "Congress on Your Corner" meet and greet. Authorities believe the gunman had specifically targeted Giffords. She is in critical condition after undergoing surgery for a single gunshot wound to the head, but doctors said they are optimistic over her prospects for recovery.
Eleven others were wounded in the shooting and six are dead, among them U.S. District Court Judge John Rolls, a friend of Giffords' who had stopped by the event to say hello after attending Mass, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said.
Also killed was Giffords staffer Gabe Zimmerman, director of community outreach who had coordinated the event to introduce Giffords to her constituents.
A 9-year-old girl also was killed.
The shooting sent shock waves through Washington, where Giffords was regarded as gracious and kind, a moderate Democrat known for her dedication to her constituents and willingness to work across party lines.
In light of the shootings, all legislation on the House schedule for the coming week has been postponed, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor announced in a statement.
Americans also struggled to come to terms with the event. Many of them showed up to a vigil at the Arizona State Capitol to pray together and share their thoughts.
In the Twitterverse, theories abounded as to the gunman's motivation. Meanwhile, while speaking to the press , the sheriff lamented "the vitriolic rhetoric" in American political discourse, suggesting it played a role in the shooting.
"This has not become the nice United States of America that most of us grew up in and I think its time we do the soul-searching," he said.
"The anger, the hatred the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous and unfortunately, Arizona has become the capital. We have become the mecca of prejudice and bigotry."
[Updated at 10:00 p.m. ET] A House vote scheduled for Monday on whether to repeal health care legislation has been postponed after Saturday's shooting.
All legislation on the House schedule for the coming week has been postponed in a decision by leaders of both political parties in the House so "we can take whatever actions may be necessary in light of today's tragedy," House Majority Leader Eric Cantor said in a statement.
[Updated at 9:13 p.m. ET] Some who knew Giffords and others who just wanted an outlet for emotions in the wake of the shooting rampage gathered on Capitol Hill Saturday night to honor the victims.
More than 50 marchers braved subfreezing temperatures and gusty winds to march to the Capitol and up the west steps to hold the vigil.
[Updated at 8:55 p.m. ET] A law enforcement source familiar with the investigation says the Glock model 19 used in the shootings was purchased legally. The official did not have details at this time as to when and where the gun was purchased.
The gun was loaded with a 30-round magazine. The official said it is likely the extended magazine used in the shooting was purchased separately and at a different time. The official said such a magazine does not automatically come with a weapons purchase and that it would be extremely rare for them to be sold together in one purchase.
The official said the suspect had purchased another gun a few years ago but this person did not know the details about what happened to that weapon and if the alleged shooter still owned it.
[Updated at 8:23 p.m. ET] Officials are not convinced that the suspected gunman acted alone, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik told reporters.
Law enforcement is actively searching for a "person of interest" who is a white male in his 50s believed to have assisted the suspect in a shooting, Dupnik said.
A suspect who Dupnik would not name is in the custody of the Pima County Sheriff's Office, he said. The suspect has had previous contact with law enforcement "regarding threats" to kill, Dupnik said, and described him as having a "troubled past."
CNN has confirmed that the suspect's name is Jared Lee Loughner, 22, whose apparent online footprint professes an distrust of government and a fondness for books such as "Mein Kampf," "The Communist Manifesto," "Peter Pan" and "The Republic."
"There's reason to believe this individual has a mental issue and I think that people who are unbalanced are especially susceptible to vitriol," he said.
"Vitriol" in public debate was a recurring theme in Dupnik's remarks as he blasted the media for "the vitriolic rhetoric" heard on television and radio.
[Updated at 7:57 p.m. ET] Gabe Zimmerman, director of community outreach for U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, was among those killed in Saturday's shooting at a constituents meeting outside a Tucson Safeway, Gifford press secretary CJ Karamargin said.
Zimmerman was the staff member who set up today’s event in Giffords’ district, Karamargin said. The Tucson native was engaged to be married.
[Updated at 7:43 p.m. ET] The Army said in a statement that the suspect in the shooting was never in the Army.
"He attempted to enlist in the Army but was rejected for service. In accordance with the Privacy Act, we will not discuss why he was rejected," the Army said in a statement.
[Updated at 7:21 p.m. ET] Jared Lee Loughner, the suspect, had a limited presence on social-media sites, including YouTube and MySpace. Here's a sampling of some of the messages that CNN found on Loughner's pages:
MySpace
December 26, 2010: I'm not going to change the mistakes, you don't know – funny! (I think the CIA watches my-space)
December 30, 2010: I now understand a certain word - Cult!
YouTube
December 15, 2010: If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon.
I define terrorist.
Thus a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially
as a political weapon.
If you call me a terrorist then the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem.
You call me a terrorist.
Thus the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem.
December 15, 2010: The majority of citizens in the United States of America have never read the United States of America's Constitution.
You don't have to accept the federalist laws.
Nonetheless, read the United States of America's Constitution to apprehend all of the current treasonous laws.
You're literate, listener?
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[Updated at 7:12 p.m. ET] The University of Arizona's men's basketball game against Stanford University has been postponed following the shootings.
"The University feels the game should be delayed with deep respect to the victims and families impacted by this tragedy," Arizona athletics director Greg Byrne said.
The game will be played at 12:30 p.m. MST Sunday.
[Updated at 6:48 p.m. ET] Saturday's deadly shootings at an Arizona constituency meeting outside a Tucson Safeway appear to have “no nexus to terrorism," a law enforcement official said.
This official did not know if there had been any recent threat against Rep Giffords but said there are frequent threats to various members of Congress, mostly via phone calls or e-mails, or mailed threats.
[Updated at 6:30 p.m. ET] U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts released this statement on the death of U.S. District Court Chief Judge John Roll, who was killed in the shootings:
"Chief Judge John Roll was a wise jurist who selflessly served Arizona and the nation with great distinction, as attorney and judge, for more than 35 years. I express my deepest condolences to his wife Maureen and his children, as well as the other victims and their families. Chief Judge Roll’s death is a somber reminder of the importance of the rule of law and the sacrifices of those who work to secure it."
[Updated at 6:16 p.m. ET] The Tea Party released this statement regarding the shootings:
“We at the Tea Party Express are shocked and saddened to hear about the terrible tragedy that took place in Tucson today. It is appalling that anyone would commit such unthinkable violence against Congresswoman Gabrielle Gifford, her staff, a sitting federal judge and the many other victims and families impacted.
"These heinous crimes have no place in America, and they are especially grievous when committed against our elected officials. Spirited debate is desirable in our country, but it only should be the clash of ideas. An attack on anyone for political purposes, if that was a factor in this shooting, is an attack on the democratic process. We join with everyone in vociferously condemning it."
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[Updated at 5:41 p.m. ET] Who is Gabrielle Giffords? She's a Democrat who was first elected in 2006. She has served as chairwoman of the House Space and Aeronautics Subcommittee and also holds seats on the House Science and Technology and Armed Services committees.
She won her third term in a closely contested race against a Tea Party-sponsored candidate and was one of three Democratic legislators who reported vandalism at their offices following the March vote on health care reform.
She is married to Navy Capt. Mark Kelly, a NASA astronaut who is scheduled to lead a space shuttle mission to the International Space Station. The two married in 2007, after meeting four years prior in China, as young leaders selected by the National Committee on U.S.-China Relations, Giffords told the New York Times in her wedding announcement.
The article described their courtship as a drawn-out affair between two deeply committed civic servants who slowly found their way to each other. When they met, Giffords was seeing someone and Kelly was married.
After Giffords split from her boyfriend, she invited Kelly to join her on a tour of the Arizona State Prison in Florence.
"I’d been working on legislation dealing with capital punishment. Mark is the son of police officers — well, he just really wanted to sit in ‘the chair,' " she told the newspaper.
The two married three years later, they married at an organic produce farm in Amado, Arizona, called Agua Linda. An avid recycler, Giffords wore a Vera Wang gown borrowed from a friend.
"To a bride who moves at a velocity that exceeds that of anyone else in Washington, and a groom who moves at a velocity that exceeds 17,000 miles per hour," a wedding guest said in a toast to the couple.
[Updated at 5:20 p.m. ET] Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer expressed condolences for the shooting victims - 6 are dead and 12 injured.
"I am just heartbroken. Gabby (Giffords) is more than just a colleague she is a friend. She has always been a noble public servant," an emotional Brewer said, pausing for composure.
"I ask the people of Arizona and the people of America to keep the victims and their families in their prayers, and pray for their recovery and pray that in Arizona we never have to experience a tragedy like this ever again."
Giffords publicized the "Congress on Your Corner" meet-up at the Safeway in her southern Arizona district on her Twitter account.
Judge John Roll, the chief judge on the U.S. District Court for Arizona, was among 6 people killed, along with a 9-year-old girl, officials said.
Witnesses said the gunman shot Giffords at point blank range through the head and then continued firing. The suspect, identified by law enforcement sources as Jared Lee Loughner, has been taken into custody.
[Updated at 4:52 p.m. ET] Chief Judge John Roll was among 6 people killed at an Arizona constituent meeting outside a Tucson grocery store Saturday.
[Updated at 4:30 p.m. ET] The suspect in a shooting at an Arizona constituent meeting outside a Tucson grocery story is a white male born in 1988, CNN's Jeanne Meserve has confirmed from a federal law enforcement source.
Six people have died, including a 9-year-old girl, and 12 were injured, including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, authorities said.
[Updated at 4:07 p.m. ET] Rep. Gabrielle Giffords is in critical condition and a young child has died after a shooting at a political meeting at an Arizona grocery store, a hospital spokesman said Saturday.
Giffords, who was hosting the event, is under anesthesia after undergoing surgery for a single gunshot wound to the head "through and through," said Dr. Peter Rhee, Trauma Director at the University Medical Center in Tucson.
"The Congresswoman is not deceased. She is in critical condition," Rhee said in a press conference. "I am very optimistic about recovery."
Giffords publicized the "Congress on Your Corner" meet-up at the Safeway in her southern Arizona district on her Twitter account.
[Updated at 3:40 p.m. ET] Six people have died and 12 - including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords - were injured in a shooting at a political meeting at a Tucson, Arizona, grocery store Saturday, according to Rick Kastigar of the Pima County Sheriff's Department.
[Updated at 3:20 p.m. ET] A suspect is in custody in the shootings of at least 12 people, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, at a constituent meeting at an Arizona grocery store, the U.S. Capitol Police said in a statement.
"The suspect is in custody. No further details on the motive or other victims are available at this time," the statement said. "The U.S. Capitol Police are directly involved in this investigation. As more information is developed, it will be provided. In the interim, all Members and staff are advised to take reasonable and prudent precautions regarding their personal security."
A statement from President Obama confirmed that some people had died.
"This morning, in an unspeakable tragedy, a number of Americans were shot in Tucson, Arizona, at a constituent meeting with Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. And while we are continuing to receive information, we know that some have passed away, and that Representative Giffords is gravely wounded," he said.
"We do not yet have all the answers. What we do know is that such a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society. I ask all Americans to join me and Michelle in keeping Representative Giffords, the victims of this tragedy, and their families in our prayers."
[Updated at 3:00 p.m. ET] Rep. Gabrielle Giffords is currently undergoing surgery for a gunshot wound to the head, a spokeswoman for the University Medical Center in Tucson said.
Nine patients were brought to the hospital, including a child. All of them are in either serious or critical condition and are undergoing surgery, spokeswoman Darci Slaten said.
A federal judge was also among those shot, a law enforcement official said. It is not clear whether he was among those taken to the hospital.
[Updated at 2:43 p.m. ET] There were conflicting reports Saturday about the condition of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords following a shooting Saturday at a Tucson, Arizona, grocery store. Giffords' press secretary said the congresswoman remains in surgery for her injuries, disputing an earlier report from a law enforcement source saying she had died.
[Updated at 2:23 p.m. ET] U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords died Saturday after a gunman opened fire at a Tucson, Arizona grocery store, a law enforcement source said. Giffords, who had been holding a meeting with constituents, was among at least 12 people shot.
[Updated at 1:51 p.m. ET] U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was among at least 12 people shot at a Tucson, Arizona, grocery store, a Democratic source told CNN's Dana Bash. The source called her injuries "pretty serious."
[Updated at 1:41 p.m. ET] U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was meeting with constituents at a Safeway grocery store in Tucson, Arizona, where at least 12 people were injured in a shooting shortly after 10 a.m. MST Saturday, a spokesman for the Pima County sheriff's Department said. It is unclear whether Giffords was among those hurt.
"Several" people were shot Saturday at a grocery store in Tucson,
Arizona, a spokesman for the Pima County Sheriff's Department said. No other details were immediately available.
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I hope that all of you who are using this as political posturing should just sit back and thatnk about it. People were killed today. It is not a liberal or conservative blame game and for those of you who feel that it is I would hope at some point in your life you will come to the conclusion that at the end of the day your lack of compassion and lack of sensiblility will lead you to a life of hate and depression.
Too late.
If they weren't full of hatred, they wouldn't be slinging such hateful and distasteful rhetoric.
The fact is the Us vs. Them debate of Democrate vs. Republican has become this hateful, this horrible, this way. It's a sad state of affairs for the United States of America.
The UNITED States of America.
Nobody is united. The democrats support the democrats BLINDLY. The republicans support the republicans BLINDLY.
We have devolved into a simply two party system and there is no middle ground and it is absolutely horrifying. This shooting may or may not have been politically motivated, yes or no, it doesn't matter. Six people died, more might, that is what matters. This man, whatever his political orientation, was sick and delusional and thought this was the best way to handle whatever problem he had.
The people who blame it on republicans are disgusting excuses for human beings. The people who blame it on democrats are disgusting excuses for human beings. The people who blame it on tea party members are disgusting human beings. It is nobody's fault but the lone, or maybe two, person or people who commited the crime.
Grow up, America.
If you don't pull yourself together soon, everything is for nothing. What have the last 300+ years been for? To get to this point where we fight among ourselves endlessly accomplishing nothing?
Democrat. Republican. Tea Partier. It doesn't matter.
You are an American, and you should be disgusted and saddened that something like this happened.
If you aren't saddened by this, you are a monster.
A zombie defined solely by the party you support.
The only people who say this isn't political are right winger tea partiers. Of *course* it's not political when one of your own does it. Of course the guy on his way to shoot on the charity after being inspired by Glen Beck isn't political. Of course this right winger isn't political. Of course none of your right wing whack jobs are shooting people, assassinating politicians, threating domestic terrorism, planning to attempt the assassination of the president are doing it for political reasons.
All of you tea partiers, republicans, and religious right wingers can rot in hell. You are bringing the second civil war to our country. The blood is on your hands. The "country" you claim to want to "take back" is the country you are destroying with your hate.
You really do think the "other half" are all lazy welfare-cheats, don't you. What I hear you saying is that half your fellow Americans, I repeat, Fellow Americans are slackers - liabilities? My my, for a right winger you surely don't hold a terribly high opinion of the country you're otherwise so worshipful of, hmm? But then, 'Texas is a Whole Nuther Country'; I shouldn't forget that.
He targeted this Congresswoman and her aides and supporters. Congratulations to all of the people who stirred up the rhetoric and put her in the crosshairs – yes, that was Palin. You people can deny, deny but Palin put it in writing, the proof is there. She wrote "Don't retreat, instead- RELOAD!" People who defend her on this are just as guilty as contributors and inciters as she is.
I agree with you. Stupid sarah plain is the worse thing that happened to the nation after Bush. I hope people stop listening to this idiot from Alaska.
I agree with you. My prayers are with the wounded; but the authorities need to look into the Tea Party. I wonder if Palin's comment inspired this young man to do what he did?
Debbie,
I will defend Sarah Palin and her right to free speech, and you can call me whatever the hell you want. What do you propose, Debbie? Ban any speech deemed "inflammatory"? Toss people in prison for speaking out with a different point of view? Who gets to decide what's inflammatory and what isn't? Who gets to decide who's right and who's wrong?
This guy shot a Democrat, therefore he's a right-winger. But wait a minute, The Communist Manifesto is one of his favorite books, therefore he's a socialist left winger. Hmmmm....
Trying to pin a political affiliation on someone who is obviously insane is a useless exercise. This guy ain't a leftie, and he ain't a rightie...he's a NUTCASE!!!!!
Lillian,
The "authorities" need to look into the Tea Party??? Let's see, why don't we round up anyone affiliated with or even sympathetic to the Tea Party and send them to a re-education camp. Yes! Great idea!!
Maybe it was her voting record? Maybe it was her agenda? I'm just being a democrat here and blaming her for this tragedy.
@Sortis. You are looking at it as if he can only be a "lefie" or a "rightie" and that is THE ENTIRE REASON this act was committed. People are so quick to group and stereotype a human being you know very little about, and what you do know is through media sources, who if you haven't figured it out yet spin their own brand of information. So, then you say that he is just a NUTCASE. And this is supposed to be the seal of the argument? In other words your saying that because he is crazy those responsible for senselessly polarizing the nation have no fault in this, he was just a crazy kid, lets continue business as usual... Your argument completely devalues what has occurred today.
@Soritz
"The Communist Manifesto" is a RIGHT wing socialist ideology......how about you educate yourself on the topics you wish to discuss before making asinine statements? It is ignorant blanket statements like the one you made that cause division within the populace.....
Hence, YOU are part of the PROBLEM, not part of theSOLUTION.....take your misguided "free speech" mantra elsewhere.....
Debbie please don't use a tragedy as a spring-board to vomit your own venom. Yeah let's blame Palin, TeaParty, (I don't support either) and anything else...except where the blame should be. Michael...what's the difference and similarities between a right wing communist, right wing socialist, and right wing capitalist? Right is not a sweeping right in different political philosophies. One colored brush does not paint all. Hope this brings more color to your world...no pun intended.
I can't believe everyone actually has Palin in their Crosshairs. If you think Pailin is the cause of this you are the loonies. You are the what's scary about the General Public. As much as Palin is the joke of the political arena, her intent was not to take a gun and murder all those politicians on her list or to tell some nut case to do it, and you know it. I hope. Get real then post something intelligent.
Along with free speech comes responsibility. You never have the 'right' to tell anyone to go out and kill someone, at least not without being held accountable, that is precisely why Charles Manson is in prison, justifiably so. Sarah Palin and almost all of the left-wing extremist have done just that, now they really need to be held accountable. Just because they use the media to transmit their orders to millions and those they dont know doesnt make them any less responsible!
Sheriff Dupnik has it exactly right: “Let me say one thing, because people tend to pooh-pooh this business about all the vitriol that we hear inflaming the American public by people who make a living off of doing that. That may be free speech, but it’s not without consequences.”
It's not most tea party folks, but it is Palin and it is Beck and a number of other media figures, and it's also, sadly, a number of higher ranking republicans (elected and non) who are old enough and smart enough that they ought to know better, but who sink to hateful vitriol in the service of stirring and directing tea party anger.
At the most basic level, many of the concerns of tea partiers are things that can resonate across the political spectrum - concerns about the economy, budgets and debt, jobs and security - but the influentials who speak at tea party rallies are prone to willfully misinform and mischaracterize both Obama and democratic members of congress, paint them as radicals, blame them for things that happened under Bush's watch, and lie about both the substance of their current agenda and the motivations underneath.
You can nearly always reduce an incident like this by isolating the shooter as a gun nut and a nut job, but gun nuts and nut jobs have long been and will continue to be out there, and when a target crystallizes in one's mind and they take violent action against them, you cannot ignore the influences that factored into that. Like the sheriff says - free speech, but not without consequences.
Your are a simpleton. The kid had mental problems like yourself.
That sheriff seems to know a lot about whats going in the world, and the threats that are caused by them. Yet, where was he and his force when these people were being killed? Seems not much foresight was applied to secure a situation that was obviously hazardous to the public. Sure, we can say Rep. Gifford was brave to face the threats of violence. But what does that make the police there? Brave isn't a term that comes to mind. Hindsight about "Vitriol" doesn't really help those folks as much as having armed law enforcement at the ready during a known dangerous situation would have. It sure doesn't bring that little girl back either. Maybe the Pima County Sheriff should spend less time watching TV and pay more attention to that whole Serve and Protect thing he signed up for.
Your blaming the Sheriff??? That makes sense... Lets all focus on what a security team or law enforcement could have done, lets create a locked down state where everyone has a bodyguard, instead of looking in the mirror and asking the real questions like, "why would a 22 year old be driven to kill in this fashion?" That would be too much soul searching. Instead, let's create more incompetent task forces instead.... The solution must be preventative NOT reactionary and thus it must go to the root.
I'll respond to this comment simply; YOU'RE AN ID!OT.
Sarah Palin and the Tea Party came into Arizona and rammed their ugly rhetoric down our throats through the endless ads they ran everywhere. They were full of hate and lies and promoted radical violent behavior as a means to accomplish their form of government. They ruined the political careers of many good people. I'm fed up as a native Arizona that we let some outside nut job hi jack our politics and allow this to happen. Sarah needs to stick those targets up her ass and go back to Alaska and stay there.
Mc Murdo Your the nut job the kid was mental period you use this as an excuse to expound your own hate. Call the kettle black.
I think these blogs are full of nut cases. People on here will say anything to promote their view. Personally, I think this is a very sad day for our country and I have been saying prayers for all those hurt by this tragedy. As for the people pointing fingers, I say get a grip and show some respect for the victims.
I couldn't agree with you more, there is no good in pointing the finger at anyone except the young man who pulled the trigger.
loughner – new right wing spokesman
Wouldn't it be nice if not only were this the wake-up call we've all been dreading about the country's polarization, but that we actually HEEDED it as well? Each side accuses the other of exactly the same transgressions, but stemming from different motives. So it's all about motives? We'll kill each other over WHY we do stuff?? Enough!!
I'm just glad he was white
Cholo.. Good post from you. Yes, if it had been a Latino, Mexican, Cuban, Black, Costa Rician or anyone fro Central America, or South America. The Law enforcement would not be able to count all the bodies after the riots start.
It is not a question if they start but WHEN. US citizens are losing their country and the principals founded upon. these United States. My hear goes out to all the familes that lost a loved one. Thier lives will never been the same, their relatives lives will never be the same; there will not a day or night pass, nor a minute that their heart will reflect on this past day, Never, ever..We are losing this country. We are Bankrupt but still printing over 200 million dollars per-day.
Something has got to change, but it want...
Yeah, it's really comfortable when you're plugged into the matrix. All those "crazies" are making life so uncomfortable for you. The "lunatic fringe" were called patriots in 1776. The word riot is in patriot. I await the govt. goon squad.
I blame the Tea Party. Everything I read from them is about violence and inciting social terrorism. I'm tired of it - it is not activism, it is terrorism and inside my own party. I avoid any Tea Bagger out of shame. The Republican Party is suppose to support smaller government and libertarianism that does not end up in the blood shed that came about today. I'm so tired of this party - I surely wouldn't vote for Obama, but I can't say I would vote for McCain for his efforts to subvert politics for his own political fancy. He's such a fake, and that Palin who caused all of this with her infamous political "HIT LIST" - she is the anti-Christ for all I care, trying to hijack the political system and destroy America. I wish there was a moderate people's party... Politics has become a war thanks to those Baggers and the very very Left...
Then you should find a new source of reading material. I blame the kid who is mental. Like you...
I'm not an American, nor do I particularly follow your politics, but amongst all your debates about motivations and/or Sarah Palin being evil, or whether guns should be banned, I think you should take a second to remember that six people are dead because of something far more simple... A cowardly nutcase.
That's it really, I'm sorry to say, the gunman was/is off his banana, and as a result a bunch of people, like you and me no longer have a future. There is no justification or, unfortunately, avoidance of this (given current evidence), I bet the gunman was just another quirky young man, dismissed as being 'shy' or 'complicated'.
Does this state still have 'the chair'? Hope so.
It was a federal crime in addition to a state crime so the federal government will prosecute first. If he receives the death penalty from the Fed, it'll be lethal injection and there will not be a state prosecution since you can't kill him twice.
If he's tried for the state crime (murder of the child) I'm not sure if it wood be a capital crime as I'm not familiar enough with AZ law (TX is my area of expertise). However, lethal injection is the primary method of execution in Arizona.
Yeah, and I wish there was a party that listened to the people.
i agree that gun control laws would not have any impact on what transpired today. BUT i always love when gun-lovers bring up the argument with stuff like this: "guns don't kill people. i guess pencils misspell words then right? maybe we should ban pencils or cars" etc
you people realize that this "comparison" holds no logical ground right? the thing you miss is "THE DESIGN" of the machine being discussed. GUNS ARE DESIGNED TO KILL. PERIOD. END OF STORY. THEY ARE NOT DESIGNED FOR FUN. THEY ARE NOT DESIGNED TO EXPRESS THOUGHTS. THEY ARE NOT DESIGNED TO TAKE PEOPLE FROM POINT A TO POINT B. They are designed to kill people. That is why most people would EMBRACE a "no guns allowed" society overtime. We need all those other things like pencils and cars that you say "kill more people than gun crimes" , because they are designed for USEFUL purposes. Guns KILL. Aside from feeding the carnivores on this planet BY KILLING animals and unfortunately having to use them to protect against crazies handling these killing machines, they serve NO PRODUCTIVE PURPOSE in our society. Idealistic? Absolutely, but logical FIRST AND FOREMOST people.
NO PRODUCTIVE PURPOSE in our society? Like Ice Cream chocolate video games Hot rods extra bed rooms retards like you Obamacare etcetc
@gunsarebad...You might want to say, STOP OR BAN MANUFACTURING OF GUNS and NOT just to outlaw them. Outlawing guns would not stop criminal from owning guns and killing people, They would acquire guns either legally or illegally and still use them to do crimes.
@greg..I read your previous comments and I thought you're a right wing nutcase but with your reply here, I see that you're just a ture-blue Obama hater.
true-blue*
awwwww CNN dosen't want to post my comment
Q: Why aren't they calling him a terrorist?
A: Because he is NOT a muslim.
He is white, and most likely a Christian, so he won't be labeled a TERRORIST.