Arizona shooting: Latest developments
People attend a candlelight vigil in Tucson, Arizona, for victims of Saturday's shooting rampage outside a grocery store.
January 9th, 2011
08:05 PM ET

Arizona shooting: Latest developments

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Six people were killed and 14 others wounded, including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, when a gunman opened fire in front of a Safeway supermarket in Tucson, Arizona, authorities said. The congresswoman had been hosting a meeting with constituents Saturday morning when the attack began.

Here are the latest developments as confirmed by CNN:

[Updated 9:45 p.m.] Suspect Jared Lee Loughner tried to buy ammunition at a Wal-Mart a few weeks back but was turned down because of his behavior, a law enforcement source said. He then successfully bought it at a different Wal-Mart, according to the source.

[Updated 9:16 p.m.] A woman credited with wrestling an ammunition magazine from the suspect says she didn't have time to think about what she was doing. "(The suspect) pulled the magazine out of his pants pocket and it dropped onto the sidewalk. And before he could reach it, I got it," Patricia Maisch said.

[Updated 7:49 p.m.] Suspect Jared Lee Loughner was rejected by the Army for military service after failing a drug test in 2008, according to an administration official.

[Updated 7:43 p.m.] The U.S. Supreme Court says it will observe the moment of silence that President Barack Obama called for at 11 a.m. ET Monday. To accommodate this, the court will convene 10 minutes early, at 9:50 a.m. ET, so that the day's first argument before the court will be completed by 11 a.m.

[Updated 7:36 p.m.] House Democrats and Republicans participated in a rare bipartisan conference call Sunday to discuss the condition of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords as well as security concerns for members of Congress.

[Updated 6:33 p.m.] According to a federal agent's affidavit, U.S. District Judge John Roll, who was killed in the shooting, came to the Tucson from Phoenix to discuss the volume of federal cases in Arizona with Giffords.

[Updated 6:28 p.m.] The FBI has confirmed that investigators have found, questioned and cleared a man they had sought as a "person of interest" after the killings. The man was cab driver who dropped suspect Jared Lee Loughner off at the Safeway where Giffords' "Congress on Your Corner" event was being held, a law enforcement official previously said.

[Updated 6:24 p.m.] Veteran federal public defender Judy Clarke, who has experience in several high-profile cases including those of "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski and convicted terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui, was appointed to defend suspect Jared Lee Loughner, a federal judicial source said.

[Updated 6:01 p.m.] Calls to 911 following Saturday's shooting - released Sunday by the Pima County Sheriff's Office - paint a patchy picture of the scene.

[Updated 4:56 p.m.] Investigators found papers bearing the words "my assassination" and "Giffords" in a safe in the home of shooting suspect Jared Lee Loughner, according to a complaint filed against him in federal court.

[Updated 3:56 p.m.] U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords is the only person wounded in Saturday's shooting who is still in critical condition, doctors at University Medical Center in Tucson said. Three are in serious condition, six are in fair condition, and one has been released, they said.

- Officers of the Arizona Anti-Defamation League issued a statement condemning the attack: "During her years in the statehouse, Rep. Giffords served on the ADL Arizona Regional Board. Her affiliation with ADL, which monitors and exposes hate and extremist groups, contributed to her awareness of the nexus between hate ideology and violence. It is a testament to her dedication to her constituents that despite past threats against her, Rep. Giffords has always been so accessible to the people she represents.  Our thoughts and prayers are with Congresswoman Giffords and the other victims and their families."

[Updated 3:33 p.m.] Investigators have identified and ruled out the "person of interest" they were seeking in connection with the shooting, a law enforcement official said Sunday.

[Updated 3:30 p.m.] Federal authorities have charged Jared Lee Loughner, the 22-year-old suspect in Saturday's Arizona massacre, with first-degree murder, attempted murder and attempting to kill a member of Congress, according to court documents. Read the charges here.

[Updated at 3:25 p.m.] President Barack Obama called for a moment of silence to be held at 11 a.m. ET Monday and ordered flags to be flown at half-staff.

"I call on Americans to observe a moment of silence to honor the innocent victims of the senseless tragedy in Tucson, Arizona, including those still fighting for their lives," the president said in a news release. "It will be a time for us to come together as a nation in prayer or reflection, keeping the victims and their families closely at heart."

[Updated at 2:21 p.m. ET] Law enforcement investigators were speaking with a second person in the Arizona  Safeway shootings case, a law enforcement official told CNN. It is not clear whether this individual is the same person police had sought via the release of a surveillance image from overnight. It is also unknown at this time what connection this individual may have to the investigation.

[Updated at 1:38 p.m. ET] A dark-haired man seen in a picture distributed by authorities apparently "may not have been involved at all, but we still need to verify that," Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said Sunday.

[Updated at 1:18 p.m. ET] Precautions are in place to ensure the security of public officials after the shooting of an Arizona congresswoman, although authorities are aware of no specific threat against them, FBI Director Robert Mueller told reporters Sunday.

[Updated at 1:12 p.m. ET] The suspect in the Saturday shootings of 20 people at a Tucson, Arizona, grocery store is in federal custody, FBI Director Robert Mueller told reporters. Formal charges are expected against Jared Lee Loughner Sunday afternoon, he said.

[Updated at 12:13 p.m. ET] U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona is "able to communicate" with people, and the gunshot wound she sustained Saturday did not cross from one hemisphere of the brain to the other, doctors at Tucson's University Medical Center said Sunday.

[Updated at 12:00 p.m. ET] President Obama spoke by phone late Saturday to Mark Kelly, the husband of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, who was critically injured in a mass shooting, a senior White House official said. The official told CNN that Obama "expressed his deep concern and full support" for the family in the wake of the tragedy.

[Updated at 8:49 a.m. ET] House Speaker John Boehner has asked that flags on the House side of the Capitol be flown at half-staff in the wake of the shooting in Arizona, marking the death of Gabe Zimmerman, who was Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' director of community outreach.  "An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve," Boehner said Sunday.  "Such acts of violence have no place in our society. These tragic events remind us that all of us, in our roles in service to our fellow citizens, comes with a risk. This inhuman act should not and will not deter us from our calling to represent our constituents and to fulfill our oaths of office. No act, no matter how heinous, must be allowed to stop us from our duty," Boehner said.

- Authorities executed search warrants late Saturday night on a car and a residence where suspect Jared Lee Loughner  lived with his parents, a law enforcement source said.

- The law enforcement source said that Loughner's parents appeared to be cooperating with authorities, but the source did not know to what extent.

- Loughner, however, was still not cooperating. He had earlier invoked his right against self-incrimination.

- The sheriff's office said early Sunday that the correct name of one of the victims who died in the shooting is Dorothy Morris.

- The Pima County Sheriff's Department is expected to hold another news conference at 11 a.m. Sunday (1 p.m. ET).

- The University Medical Center in Tucson will offer a patient condition update at 10 a.m. Sunday (12 p.m. ET).

- As of 3:45 a.m. Sunday, Giffords remained in critical condition, said Darci Slaten, spokeswoman for the medical center. Of the nine other shooting victims taken to that hospital, four others were in critical condition and five were in serious condition.

- Early Sunday morning, the sheriff's office released a surveillance camera photo of a male between 40 and 50 years old who is "possibly associated with the suspect." The dark-haired man was last seen wearing blue jeans and a dark blue jacket, and was seen at the location where the shooting occurred.

- At 2 p.m. Sunday, a caucus conference call has been scheduled for House Democrats and their spouses to get an update on the shooting, two congressional sources said.

- At 8:30 a.m., Speaker of the House John Boehner will address the media in West Chester, Ohio, about the shooting.

THE INCIDENT

- Congresswoman Giffords was taking part in a meet-and-greet with constituents called "Congress on Your Corner" outside a Safeway grocery store in Tucson.

- Before the event, she tweeted: "My 1st Congress on Your Corner starts now. Please stop by to let me know what is on your mind or tweet me later."

- The attack happened about 10 minutes into the event.

- Giffords did not have any security with her, said staffer Mark Kimble. "She wants to be as accessible to the people who elected her as possible," he said.

- Dr. Steven Rayle was about 10 feet away from Giffords when the gunman shot the congresswoman. "He continued to fire, sort of rapidly, really at point-blank range," he said, adding that the man was shooting indiscriminately.

- The suspect was tackled to the ground by two men while he was trying to reload, another witness said.

- The gun, which another bystander had wrestled from the gunman, was empty and cocked open. Federal and state law enforcement sources described it as a 9mm Glock outfitted with an extended magazine.

- The shooter had another magazine at the ready, according to Joe Zamudio, who said he was one of the bystanders who pinned the gunman to the ground until police showed up.

- Hearing the shooting, Daniel Hernandez, a trained nurse and a Giffords intern, rushed to see what happened and used his medical training to "apply pressure to the wound and keep her active and alert," said Arizona state Rep. Steve Farley. Hernandez was Farley's former campaign manager.

THE INVESTIGATION

- Officials have not stated a motive for the shooting. The suspect was not talking and had invoked his right against self-incrimination, said Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik.

- At the direction of President Barack Obama, FBI Director Robert Mueller was headed to Arizona to help coordinate the investigation. The FBI is working jointly with local law enforcement. The U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Arizona said it has about a dozen people working on the investigation.

- The suspect was in federal custody early Sunday morning, said Jason Ogan, spokesman for the Pima County Sheriff's Department. As such, the suspect will not face a first appearance in court Sunday, Ogan said.

- Authorities released a photo of a male between 40 and 50 years old who is "possibly associated with the suspect." The dark-haired man was last seen wearing blue jeans and a dark blue jacket, and was seen at the location where the shooting occurred.

- Authorities did not know whether the person they sought actually had any connection with Jared Lee Loughner, a law enforcement source told CNN. Authorities have a piece of evidence that indicates this second individual was in close proximity to the store, the source said, but declined to elaborate.

- That source also said authorities were seeking search warrants for a residence and for a vehicle in connection with the suspect in custody.

- A law enforcement source familiar with the investigation said the Glock used in the shootings was purchased legally, but did not have the details when or where it was bought. The extended magazine used in the shooting was likely purchased separately and at a different time, the source said. The official said such a magazine does not automatically come with a weapons purchase and it would be extremely rare for them to be sold together in one purchase.

THE CONGRESSWOMAN

- Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, 40, was shot in the head and underwent surgery Saturday. Doctors were optimistic of her chances of surviving. "I'm about as optimistic as it can get in this situation," Dr. Peter Rhee of the University Medical Center said Saturday afternoon. He said the next 24 hours will be key for determining the extent of her recovery.

- First elected in 2006, Giffords is serving her third term in Congress.

- She narrowly beat Tea Party-backed Republican Jesse Kelly in the November midterm elections, garnering 49% to the latter's 47% of the votes.

- Known as a "Blue Dog," or moderate, Democrat, Giffords was a key swing vote in last year's health care reform debate. She didn't make up her mind to vote for the legislation until the final days before the ultimate passing vote.

- She is married to NASA astronaut Mark Kelly, a Navy captain who is scheduled to fly the April space shuttle mission to the international space station. She is the only U.S. representative with an active duty military spouse, according to her website.

- She has no children but is stepmother to Kelly's two children, said Sylvia Lee, president of Pima County Community College in Tucson.

- She had received threats in the past, Lee said. A glass panel at her Tucson office was shattered the day after the health care reform vote last year. Staffers suspected someone shot a pellet gun at the glass. At a town hall meeting, a gun fell out of a constituent's pocket. But Giffords' press secretary, C.J. Karamargin, said he was unaware of any recent threats against Giffords.

- She generally voted with her party, but voted against the auto bailout bill and was one of 19 Democrats to vote against former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's bid to become the Democrats' minority leader after the midterm elections returned Republicans to power in the House.

- She holds a master's degree in regional planning from Cornell University and a B.A. from Scripps College, where she was awarded a William Fulbright Scholarship to study for a year in Chihuahua, Mexico.

- Before embarking on a political career, she worked for Price Waterhouse Coopers and served as chief executive officer and president of El Campo Tire, her family's business.

- She then served in the Arizona Legislature from 2000 to 2005, where she was the youngest woman elected to the Arizona state Senate.

THE SUSPECTED GUNMAN

- The suspect in the shooting is Jared Lee Loughner, a 22-year-old former community college student, according to an Arizona law enforcement source and a U.S. law enforcement source.

- He railed against government "mind control" and illiteracy in online missives and had "kind of a troubled past," said Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik.

- He also had brushes with the law, the sheriff said without elaborating. "We understand that there have been law enforcement contacts with the individual where he made threats." Court records indicate he had been arrested for possession of drug paraphernalia in 2007, but the charge was dismissed.

- Loughner dropped out of high school in 2006, after his junior year, said Tamara Crawley, a spokeswoman for the Marana United School District in suburban Tucson.

- In 2008, he tried to enlist in the U.S. Army. The Army rejected him, and privacy laws keep the military from disclosing the reason, the service said in a statement to CNN.

- He enrolled at Aztec Middle College, a partnership between Tucson schools and Pima Community College that helps high school dropouts transition to community colleges, the community college President Sylvia Lee told CNN.

- He took classes at the college from 2005 until October 2010, but withdrew after five contacts with police "for classroom and library disruptions" at two campuses between February and September, the school said.

- Loughner was suspended after authorities found a YouTube video in which he called the school "illegal according to the U.S. Constitution, and makes other claims," a college statement said. He quit during an October 4 meeting with his parents and school administrators, and a follow-up letter warned that to return, he had to present a doctor's note stating that "his presence at the College does not present a danger to himself or others."

- On his YouTube page, a list of his favorite books included both Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf" and Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels' "The Communist Manifesto," along with works by George Orwell, Ray Bradbury, Ken Kesey, Herman Hesse, Ernest Hemingway, Plato and Aesop's fables.

- "Good-bye friends," read a Saturday morning posting on Loughner's MySpace page, just hours before the shooting. "Dear friends ... Please don't be mad at me. The literacy rate is below 5%. I haven't talked to one person who is literate."

- A December 30 posting read, "Dear Reader ... I'm searching. Today! With every concern, my shot is now ready for aim. The hunt, a mighty thought of mine."

- Online, Loughner complained about the "second Constitution," a term legal scholars sometimes use to describe the post-Civil War amendments that ended slavery, extended the right to vote and required equal protection under the law. Its meaning to Loughner could not be clearly discerned.

- In an apparent reference to Giffords' congressional district, he wrote in a December 15 video message on YouTube: "The majority of people, who reside in District-8 are illiterate - hilarious."

- In the same message he wrote: "If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon. I define terrorist."

THE OTHER VICTIMS

In addition to the 12 people wounded in the shooting, the following six were killed:

- John Roll, 63. A native of Pennsylvania, Roll was a federal judge for the U.S. District Court for the District of Arizona who had served the legal system for nearly 40 years. He began his career as a bailiff in Pima County Superior Court and rose to be chief judge for the District of Arizona, a position he held since 2006.

He received death threats two years ago after he ruled that a $32 million civil-rights lawsuit filed by illegal immigrants against a rancher in the state could proceed. He had been assigned to hear the ethnic studies ban case out of Tucson that involves a new law banning certain ethnic studies programs in public schools, according to the lead attorney on the case, Richard Martinez. Chief Justice of the United States John Roberts called Roll's death a tragic loss.

- Christina Taylor Greene, 9. She was born on September 11, 2001, according to CNN affiliate KVOA. Family members described her as "excited" about the political process, and said the desire to learn more about it had motivated her to go to the Gifford event, the affiliate said. Christina had just been elected to the student council at her school, the Arizona Republic reported. She died at a hospital, and not at the scene like the other five.

- Gabe Zimmerman, 30. A Tucson native who was engaged to be married, Zimmerman was the director of community outreach for the congresswoman.

- Dorwin Stoddard, 76. Dory, as his family calls him, was a retired construction worker, said Pastor Mike Nowak at Mount Avenue Church of Christ in Tucson. Witnesses told CNN that Stoddard tried to shield his wife, Mavy, was shot in the head and fell on her. The wife was shot three times in her legs; the bullets were removed and she is expected to make a full recovery.

- Dorothy Morris, 76

- Phyllis Scheck, 79

THE REACTION

- Following the shootings, all legislation on the House schedule for the coming week was postponed, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor said. The decision was made by leaders of both parties and means the House will not vote next week on the repeal of health care reform.

- Although U.S. Capitol Police said there was no evidence of a broader threat involving federal officials, it has advised other members of Congress to take "reasonable and prudent precautions regarding their personal safety and security." The House sergeant at arms also said "it is essential" that lawmakers contact local police to register their home and office addresses.

- Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villasenor said his department had secured the homes and offices of some unnamed federal officials as a "precautionary measure."

- Rep. Chellie Pingree, D-Maine, said an incident like this could have a chilling effect on the frequent weekend listening sessions that many members of Congress have with their constituents.

- In Tucson, supporters gathered outside the University Medical Center, keeping vigil as family members waited with wounded loved ones inside. On the other side of the country, dozens of marchers braved subfreezing temperatures and gusty winds to gather on Capitol Hill for a candlelight vigil Saturday night.

QUOTES

- President Barack Obama: "We do not yet have all the answers. What we do know is that such a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society."

- Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer: "I am just heartbroken. Gabby is more than just a colleague, she is my friend. She has always been a noble public servant."

- John Roberts, chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, on the death of one of the victims, Judge U.S. District Judge John Roll: "Chief Judge Roll's death is a somber reminder of the importance of the rule of law and the sacrifices of those who work to secure it."

- U.S. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi: "Congresswoman Giffords is a brilliant and courageous member of Congress, bringing to Washington the views of a new generation of national leaders. It is especially tragic that she was attacked as she was meeting with her constituents whom she serves with such dedication and distinction."

- House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio: "An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve. Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society."

- U.S. Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona: "I am horrified by the violent attack on Representative Gabrielle Giffords and many other innocent people by a wicked person who has no sense of justice or compassion.  ... Whoever did this, whatever their reason, they are a disgrace to Arizona, this country and the human race, and they deserve and will receive the contempt of all decent people and the strongest punishment of the law."

- Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin: "There is no place in our society or discourse for such senseless and unconscionable acts of violence."

THE RHETORIC

- Officials have not stated a motive for the shooting.

- Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik used a nationally televised press conference to condemn the tone of political discourse in his state. He charged that public debate is now "vitriolic rhetoric," which has rendered Arizona "the mecca for prejudice and bigotry." Dupnik suggested that such rhetoric can have deadly consequences.

- Last March, Giffords raised concerns about inflammatory rhetoric after her office was vandalized, and she cited how her name appeared on a website titled "Take back the 20" as part of a list originally issued by former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin in March 2010 against vulnerable House Democrats.

- The list, which named 20 House members who voted for health care reform, showed crosshairs over the contested Democratic districts.

- At the time, Giffords responded to the map by saying on MSNBC that her long-serving colleagues had "never seen anything like it." "The thing is, the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district," Giffords said in March. "When people do that, they've got to realize there's consequences to that action."

- A day after Giffords voted in favor of health care reform, a glass panel at her Tucson office was shattered.

- At a town hall meeting, a gun fell out of a constituent's pocket.

- Giffords' press secretary, C.J. Karamargin, said he was unaware of any recent threats against Giffords.


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  1. Ida

    Boehner asked for prayers on this "Sabbath". Well, Rep. Giffords Sabbath was Friday night. Is he asking for prayers for Christian victims? Or is he just that insensitive? Or does he feel that it doesn't matter? When will he have his breakthrough moment that the hatred and apocolyptic imagery used by the "entertainment policital pundits" that have been employed to fire up bigotry are succeeding. Does it matter that the little girl was Catholic? At one time, Catholics were reviled? When does the hatred stop?

    January 9, 2011 at 8:55 am | Report abuse |
    • Jon O

      Apocalyptic imagery? What?

      January 9, 2011 at 9:27 am | Report abuse |
    • Susan

      Well I didn't know she was Jewish. You are the insensitive one here. Why bring it up at all. It just smacks of recism. His intentions were in the right place.

      January 9, 2011 at 9:31 am | Report abuse |
    • phil

      Stella it is morons like you that cause this. Blaming Obama is as stupid as it gets.

      January 9, 2011 at 9:33 am | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      These posts are the problem. You are bullying, name calling, and generally disparaging of others. This is a daily occurrence. If you do not have anything worth saying, stop posting.

      January 9, 2011 at 1:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rachel aka Sidewinder

      Very true, Mike. I have something worth posting about the Mental Health care system. Unfortunately it will not post. Fortunately, beyond four sentences one may have drawn their own conclusions and nothing you, me, or anyone else says will change minds or what's in their hearts.

      January 9, 2011 at 2:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • maryann

      Stella..you are as stupid and dangerous as the idiot from Wasilla who put a 'crosshair' on the woman who was shot yesterday...Palin should also be put on trail for engineering this shooting.....you racist, radical republicans are sick!

      January 9, 2011 at 9:41 am | Report abuse |
    • senior in florida

      thank you for stating the truth
      In 2011 we still have those that can't believe a black can be President that you must have Faith in only one religion although it appears the religion these people have – is full of hate and killings
      what shocks me is they see all the faults in others but can not see theirs and oh, they have caused this nation to become one that I pray we continue to be PROUD OF.
      SAD, SAD, I am 64 white and working to keep my home since my husband death and I daily struggle with life but I do Pray I never get like those that believe "thier way or no way"

      January 9, 2011 at 2:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • SAF

      agree.

      January 9, 2011 at 2:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Taimur Jafer Ali

      Well as one human being to another its really sad what has happened. But looking at it through the policies of US which has only dictated wars and killings resulting in innocent lives lost at home (troops) and foreign civilians and the support for Jewish government on occupied land that kills the innocent I say one less jew in the world.
      Also the media should identify Jarred as a Christian terriorist, why limit it to Muslims around the world only? Oh by the way welldone Palin (Christian terrorist Ace card)... hee hee

      January 9, 2011 at 9:43 am | Report abuse |
    • Consumer007

      @Ida: What in the world does this have to do with Obama? Extremists on the left could say this is the result of Republicans being elected, and it would make just as much sense as your statement (which is to say NONSENSE). This is NOT a political event, this is NOT your chance to attack someone you don't like, this is a national tragedy. People like you need to shut your face, get a clue and a life and pray for the victims.

      You are a perfect example of what is wrong with this country and what the sheriff said is the state of hate in America today. You can't even stop your constant illogical hatred of Obama long enough to have sympathy for innocent people of a crime. He's not perfect, he has done MANY things I don't like that aren't good for the nation, but frankly it isn't even sane to respond the way you are. Go see a mental health professional. You need it.

      January 9, 2011 at 9:48 am | Report abuse |
    • Plato101

      What? Are you saying that asking for prayers is hate speech? I cannot even understand what point you are trying to make.

      January 9, 2011 at 10:56 am | Report abuse |
    • expat

      Ida, You sound as whacked out as ared Lee Loughner.

      January 9, 2011 at 11:14 am | Report abuse |
    • expat

      Ida, You sound as whacked out as Jared Lee Loughner.

      January 9, 2011 at 11:16 am | Report abuse |
    • jb

      Actually the Jewish Shabbat or Sabbath goes from sunset on Friday to sunset on Saturday. So Boehner was not insensitive at all. Why try and make stuff up in context that is really not there?

      January 9, 2011 at 11:27 am | Report abuse |
    • Phil Whisman

      U R an idiot.

      January 9, 2011 at 11:57 am | Report abuse |
    • kb

      As soon as people like you stop it, Ida.

      January 9, 2011 at 12:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mikeyman

      I am a right-winger, but think that this "tragedy" has nothing to do with party affiliation. It's not Palin's fault, it's simply a case of a psychiatrically ill person, whom the police failed multiple times to prosecute and imprison, taking out his anger on innocent people and getting the attention that the media gets suckered into giving him. His family and friends ignored his good-bye note, his rantings on You-tube, and, as a result, an innocent 9-year-old girl, among others, is dead. "Guns don't kill people" is a bunch of crap; had he not been able to buy a gun (no gun registration laws in Arizona??!!!), the worst he could have done was heckled Giffords, and remained an anonymous ass in the crowd. Now he's famous, innocent people are dead, families are devastated, a public servant fights for her life...and the saddest thing is, nothing will change in the way our country operates. We'll still be more concerned with the rights of criminals than their just desserts; some dirtbag lawyer will defend this guy; and the same thing could happen again tomorrow.

      January 9, 2011 at 12:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      Hey, Sarah Palin, how’s that hatey, killy, reloady, chrosshairsy thing working out for ya?

      January 9, 2011 at 5:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • N Phx Az

      So was this kid found to be a big fan of hers? I haven't heard anything to that effect. In fact, I bet if Palin showed up down the street from this kid, she would be at UMC with his gunshot wound, Maybe she caused this, but it does happen to be a stretch. After all, Hinckley blasted Reagan to impress Jodie Foster. Anything is possible.

      January 9, 2011 at 6:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Indian Oak

      Why do people refer to this 22 year old deranged man as a kid? How old do you have to be in the US to be called an adult?

      January 9, 2011 at 11:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Indian Oak

      Why do people refer to this 22 year old deranged man as a kid? How old do you have to be in the US to be considered an adult?

      January 9, 2011 at 11:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Gary

      Almost as well as her uneducated Knocked up daughter. She must be so proud

      January 9, 2011 at 8:02 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Bluejeans

    CNN's pathetic attempt to link this tragedy to Palin or any other politician is among the lowest, most vile, disgusting thing I've ever seen in my life. CNN should be issuing an apology, and should clean house with it's TICKER reporters.

    January 9, 2011 at 8:56 am | Report abuse |
    • Mario

      CNN listed that under "THE RHETORIC". Maybe you should apologize to CNN.

      January 9, 2011 at 9:09 am | Report abuse |
    • Dan Santos

      You can't be serious. You don't see how they are connected? There are plenty of unbalanced people out there who are looking for the " it is OK to do" blessing, you can blame Palin, Beck and the rest of the Republican/Teaparty nut cases.

      January 9, 2011 at 9:15 am | Report abuse |
    • Charles

      Sarah Palin has to take some responsibility for this. She and the mouth pieces at FOX have fanned the flames of hatred for too long. "CROSS HAIRS"??? Don't even try to soft sell her intended message.

      January 9, 2011 at 9:25 am | Report abuse |
    • Jon O

      And meanwhile the boards are full of right wingers cheering the shooting...

      When your side embodies integrity, you can talk.

      January 9, 2011 at 9:28 am | Report abuse |
    • Jessica C

      More disgusting than a psychopath on a killing rampage? Read the article, it merely mentions that Palin made a list of states to take down using thoughtless graphics to illustrate likewise – such poor choice of words by her, any other politician or prominent media figure can be misconstrued by their followers. CNN is NOT saying this incident was politically motivated, you're getting it all wrong.

      January 9, 2011 at 9:41 am | Report abuse |
    • catherine

      I CAN’T AGREE MORE…This guy ends up being a LIb and we hear nothing about that now..AMAZING

      January 9, 2011 at 9:42 am | Report abuse |
    • maryann

      does the truth hurt? Why is this low? The idiot from Wasilla orchestrated this shooting by putting a cross hair on the the woman...duha!!!!! Low lifes like this shooter don't need much more encouragement to act!

      January 9, 2011 at 9:43 am | Report abuse |
    • brotherseamus

      Crosshairs and "second amendment remedies" emboldened this nutcase.

      January 9, 2011 at 10:12 am | Report abuse |
    • Sanford

      Bluejeans- Um, wouldn't you say that THE SHOOTING "is among the lowest, most vile, disgusting thing [you've] ever seen in [your] life"?

      January 9, 2011 at 10:13 am | Report abuse |
    • mack

      they're hardly trying to link this to palin. it's a fact, however, that palin put her on her ridiculous list. interesting that palin tweeted immediately after the news broke that she was praying for giffords. great job, dim bulb.

      January 9, 2011 at 10:18 am | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      I agree. Libs are trying to connect something just to tear down what scares them. Instead of putting the blame where it is due, they have to dig up something that was just ironic. See, in their eyes, the shooter is an innocent victim of the system, never mind he was a liberal kook. They have an inability to use logic and common sense.

      But the comments by the sheriff bring up a question...I thought Obama was suppose to be this great unifier that would bring this country together? But he is doing just what he did in Chicago, a community agitator, I mean organizer. Stir up the pot, get people fired up, divide, then conquer. Living close to Chicago, I can tell you that NO POLITICIAN from Chicago is walking the straight and narrow. Every one of them is crooked. Chicago runs Illinois and that is why it is in the mess that it is. Now Chicago runs the country.

      January 9, 2011 at 10:42 am | Report abuse |
    • George

      You better ask Geraldo on Fox then because he said the same thing as CNN last night.

      January 9, 2011 at 10:45 am | Report abuse |
    • unretired05

      @Bluejeans What are you talking about CNN didn't even mention "Don't retreat reload."

      January 9, 2011 at 11:12 am | Report abuse |
    • Matty13

      Yes, I believe that all this hatred and violent remarks have to stop. As a Tea Party member and active recruiter for the Tea Party I am constantly barged with hateful remarks and violent behavior from people.

      January 9, 2011 at 12:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • kneesus

      Why did Palin pull down her takebackthe20.com website? Her political views of putting gun signs on Giffords not worth standby anymore?

      January 9, 2011 at 12:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • WV Treehugger

      Sarah was the one who posted the map with crosshairs on it! How in this world can it not be her fault!?
      The TEA PARTY is nothing but a bunch of hater's who will kill anyone who gets in their way. I'm a christian and I love all people. Muslims,Jews,Atheist,Buddist,Hindu,Gays,Latinos, all people. Just because I choose to worship Jesus does not give me the right to shove my beleifs down other's throats. This is still Amercia! We all have the Freedom to choose how we vote and who we worship. The only thing the Tea Party stands for is hate and the greed of money! Now because of Sarah's little list a 9 year old child has lost her life due to the hate of the Tea Party. What would happen if it was your little girl who got shot? CNN owes noone an apology Sarah Palin and the TEA Party does. Two of my state reps were on this list,that Sarah put out. Also I never seen a list on the Whitehouse website or Obamas Facebook that had a hit list on any Tea Party member's so how in this world can it be our President's fault? The USA voted for Obama,the TEA PARTY and Faux news needs to get over it and stop being sore looser's. Faux has done nothing for two years but spew hate agianst our president and our people. So Faux and the TEA PARTY are to blame!

      January 9, 2011 at 12:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Alaine

      Bluejeans:
      The only thing that is pathetic is Sarah Palin's use of "crosshairs" in the first place. Why can't you even admit that?
      Notice, I used my real name, how about you Bluejeans? Stirring up hate has it's consequences. In this case Christina Greene, a innocent 9 year old paid the consequences. A federal judge paid with his life as well. Can't you have some sympathy for the dead, Bluejeans? CAN YOU???

      January 9, 2011 at 12:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      The phrase 'don't retreat, reload,' putting crosshairs on congressional districts as targets - these sorts of things, I think, invite the kind of toxic rhetoric that can lead unstable people to believe this is an acceptable response
      Hey, Sarah Palin, how’s that hatey, killy, reloady, chrosshairsy thing working out for ya?

      January 9, 2011 at 5:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      You doth protest too much, dear Bluejeans. Your hero, Sarah, constantly used rhetoric like "don't retreat, reload." There is violence implied, and there was a direct CROSSHAIR on Gabrielle Giffords. If they truly were not crosshairs, why on earth wasn't this addressed earlier? There is blood on your hands, all of you at SARAHPAC bear some responsibility in the climate of hate that's been proliferated and given rise to incidents like this.

      January 9, 2011 at 5:51 pm | Report abuse |
  3. John Que 3000

    It is a shame so many innocent victims had to die along with the idiots target, or targets. If the country continues down the road we are on more and more nuts will fall from the trees taking with them politicians and judges they look on as the enemy.

    Hopefully security will tighten up to protect all innocent bystanders.

    January 9, 2011 at 9:01 am | Report abuse |
    • mike

      ALL of the VICTIMS were "INNOCENTt" including the targets! WORDS and symbols matter. 30 round clips for pistols are clearly meant for mass murder, not any legitimate self defense or target shooting. Why are they manufactured and available?

      January 9, 2011 at 9:19 am | Report abuse |
    • Derek

      First of all their are not clips, they are magazines. Second of all its really not that difficult to use a standard capacity magazine and commit mass murder. Does not take that long to reload.

      If this pile of crap of person wanted to kill he is going to kill. He could have pulled a "Oklahoma City Bombing Style" murder using explosives.

      January 9, 2011 at 9:56 am | Report abuse |
    • RedDeath50

      Hopefully security will tighten up to protect all innocent bystanders? The only way to properly tighten security is to immediately outlaw any and all hand guns! Period!

      January 9, 2011 at 11:28 am | Report abuse |
    • Barb

      RedDeath50, if you outlaw "any and all handguns" like you want, then the only ones who won't have guns will be the law-abiding citizens. Criminals will still have guns. Do you see the faulty logic in your reasoning?

      January 9, 2011 at 12:30 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Dan Santos

    There is a link between Palin and the rest of the right wing Republicans, crosshairs, targets, take back our country. Thank you CNN. At least you report the truth, not like Fox News, with most of the republicans who are thinking of running for president are on the Fox payroll, fair and balanced, bullcrap.

    January 9, 2011 at 9:05 am | Report abuse |
    • catherine

      The shooter is obviously deranged not unlike our media and liberal fan base that attempted to blame the Tea Party and all conservatives radio and Fox talk shows for this… It looks as if this guy is actually a liberal flag burning nut job so will CNN and all the lefties attack Keith and Rachel and Ed for their nightly rhetoric? You can bet everything that they’ll focus on what they should have before they pointed fingers; THIS MAN IS SIMPLY CRAZY

      January 9, 2011 at 9:34 am | Report abuse |
    • catherine

      Please enlighten us as to how you can connect this killer (has listed himself Democrat on his facebook page)to Palin and the Tea Party
      He spends his free time burning our flag and reads up on the latest marxist literature and was known as a liberal so why don’t we all flip the switch and ask how we con stop the vile hatred form the likes of Keith, Rachel, Chris, Ed, Huff Post who got the whole ball rolling yesterday?

      January 9, 2011 at 9:49 am | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      Wow, talk about someone that can't think for themselves. Dan has been drinking some heavy kool aid from some liberal outlet. Sounds like daily kos.

      January 9, 2011 at 10:49 am | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      By the way, I have worked in the media and I know how easy it is to manipulate the news. Fox does try to bring in both sides for a debate, but many times libs back out. CNN and others can't say that. If they do bring in someone from the right, they have several libs to counter. CNN is well known for half truths. They will give you only part of the story and obviously use liberal talking points. They are also remembered for a floor person yelling out, live, on air, "YOU LIE!" when Chaney was on. They are also remembered for putting a red mark across his face during a segment. NBC is really bad at editing soundbites to make it sound a different way than intended. Don't give me this crap that Fox is the only one biased. By the way, Fox has a lot of liberals working there.

      January 9, 2011 at 10:57 am | Report abuse |
    • DL

      What I am seeing here, is a communications gap. Conservatives need to realize, for the past 2 years...before Obama even took office, the 'Socialist, Communist' garbage started. Then apparently that wasn't enough, so it turned into "Antichrist, terrorist, racist, muslim, illegal alien..the list goes on and on. You can argue however you want, but for over 2 years Dem's have been telling you to tone it down...instead we get 'death panels', Beck standing up saying the left will take up arms against the right at a rally. And when questioned, the response is "Olberman and Maddox' you do realize their careers are pretty much just debunking what comes from Fox. It's time media outlets are held ACCOUNTABLE for what they report...period. So if you think Fox is so fair and balanced, you should welcome the change.

      January 9, 2011 at 11:24 am | Report abuse |
    • Jim

      Fox isnt going to get away from this one for sure.

      January 9, 2011 at 11:26 am | Report abuse |
  5. DomingoMontyha

    Illiterate...I do not think it means what you think it means.

    January 9, 2011 at 9:05 am | Report abuse |
  6. Steve

    Where do you get those round disks on the candles? Are they just lids off peanut cans or is there some shop that sells those?

    January 9, 2011 at 9:09 am | Report abuse |
  7. RevNorm

    One cannot help but wonder whether this behavior is fueled by the extreme rhetorical stances taken by advocates of either far-right or far-left ideology. It might be concluded that in a nation with loose gun control and "Rambo" speaking political heroes, such incidents are merely a harbinger of future sadness.

    January 9, 2011 at 9:09 am | Report abuse |
    • cjones

      I haven't really heard any militant language coming from the left in the last 20 years or so. The language of the right is constantly peppered with threatening type lingo. I am sure someone can come up with some examples of current left wing rhetoric, but not near the levelof the constant rightwing violence based language we keep hearing.

      January 9, 2011 at 10:00 am | Report abuse |
    • brotherseamus

      I think that "second amendment remedies" says it all.

      January 9, 2011 at 10:15 am | Report abuse |
  8. Richard

    The Jewish Sabbath begins at sundown on Friday and lasts until sundown on Saturday. Perhaps, Ida, you should shelve your anti-Boehner sentiments long enough to get your facts straight. And Bluejeans, I agree with you....imagine being a loved one of Giffords and seeing the "breathless" scroll yesterday afternoon that announced that she was dead. Any heart attack or stroke that non-news "scoop" (which was completely wrong) may have caused should be laid squarely at the door of any news organization that trots out somber-looking anchors who are secretly overjoyed at being first to get the "Big Story"....even if that story is completely wrong.

    January 9, 2011 at 9:09 am | Report abuse |
  9. Thomas Lee

    In response to:
    Gary Glatz

    "Way to go bag people. You must be so proud of your bagger buddy. Maybe he should have taken aim at your pruney, xenophobic governor & at least left a positive effect. Still hanging to that 2nd amendment or do you still continue your redneck rhetoric?"

    The second amendment cannot be judged by the acts of a person. Guns do not kill people- people with intent kill people. It takes a person to pull the trigger. Guns do not fire on their own.

    People are murderd everyday by knives, blunt objects, guns, rope, fire, vehicles, arrows, strangulation, beatings, etc.

    Ever try to cut a steak with a fork? You had better learn if you want to remove everything from society that has the capability of killing someone in the wrong persons hands. Oh, the fork would have to go too. Pretty stupid comment and thought process.

    January 9, 2011 at 9:15 am | Report abuse |
    • mike

      Guns make it a hell of a lot easier to murder one or large numbers. Hard to do mass knifing and drive by knifing. I can run, get behind a door or use a stick to defend myself from a knife. 30 round clips make it all too easy to kill 30 people at a time. Th shooter was tackled when he tried to reload. A revolver usually has 6 rounds. The ammo is just as lethal Revolver vs semi auto doesn't matter as much as the size and number of clips available.

      January 9, 2011 at 9:29 am | Report abuse |
    • Charles

      I see that the NRA has it's flunkies out to counter any comment regarding reasonable control of weapons.

      January 9, 2011 at 9:30 am | Report abuse |
    • Gary Glatz

      Many more are PURPOUSLY killed by guns. If you want to have romantis issues with your gun, we should do away with live ammo. Afterall you only collect guns as a hobby, right

      January 9, 2011 at 9:31 am | Report abuse |
    • Rick

      While I agree in principle with your idea (I own two rifles and a revolver) your thought process isn't the most brilliant. Exactly how many of the victims yesterday would be dead or injured if the attacker had used a steak knife? Or strangulation? That old standby, the blunt object, would have really caused a problem yesterday, wouldn't it? While I am strongly opposed to an out right ban, I see no problem with reasonable controls on ownership of weapons. It's a lot easier to put reasonable controls on weapons than it is on unknown intent.

      January 9, 2011 at 9:38 am | Report abuse |
    • John

      I Luv gun rights activists. "Guns don't kill people" we know the gun didn't pull its own trigger, but using this tragedy to try to defend gun rights is a little inappropriate.

      January 9, 2011 at 9:52 am | Report abuse |
    • Jack

      The NRA comes out to make a statement is that most people in Jail are registered democrats or vote democrat, it was suggested yesterday by NRA members for Democrats to pass a doctors test before getting guns. So gun owners in good standing would not be labeled with democrat who are the majority of people that commit major violent crimes,

      January 9, 2011 at 10:11 am | Report abuse |
    • Jim

      A fork cant take out 6 people and injure a dozen others. ONE gun can.

      January 9, 2011 at 11:23 am | Report abuse |
    • mamad

      There is truth to this comment for sure ... he could used another weapon like a car driven at a high speed into the crowd ...
      People kill people not guns. Most criminals are not using registered guns and I for one would not want to defend myself in my home with a fork!
      If you really want to reduce all these issues ... raise your kids right! (pun intended)

      January 9, 2011 at 11:51 am | Report abuse |
    • myklds

      @mike...was the gun used by the suspect legal?

      January 9, 2011 at 12:50 pm | Report abuse |
  10. John Que 3000

    Everyone blaming Sarah Palin is way off base. I'm no fan of her views, but she does not deserve to take the blame for this one.
    There have been nut cases in the US who hate the government since George Washington's days. This guy had radical views and took radical action, it could have ended no other way for him.
    Unfortunately now Obama will use the fact that the shooter posted his views on You Tube, to claim his administration was right to strengthen the surveillance of US Internet users.

    January 9, 2011 at 9:16 am | Report abuse |
    • Patrick

      The effect of clowns like Palin, Beck, And Limbaugh constantly whipping up hate in the hearts of the crazy right wing gun nuts must be taken into account and considered.

      January 9, 2011 at 10:06 am | Report abuse |
    • brotherseamus

      Crosshairs, "second amendment remedies," . . . it all adds up. The right used 9/11 to divide Americans, with "Patriots" on one side and Commies/Socialists/America-Haters/etc. on the other. Their rhetoric has come home to roost.

      January 9, 2011 at 10:19 am | Report abuse |
    • Jim

      This goes to show you had bad the media has divided this country. You are going to watch the right backpeddle. In any event, people will think WHAT THEY WANT TO THINK. Pure and simple as that. I can imagine that when Rep. Giffords recovers she will have a lot to say about her glass window being shattered at the time of health care reform and then shot yesterday. . You heard Cantor whine his window being broken. These is not random acts violence anymore. The facts speak for themselves.

      January 9, 2011 at 11:12 am | Report abuse |
  11. Tom Fiala

    So, tell me again, why are semi-automatic weapons legal in this country?
    A few dead innocent bystanders would like to know....

    January 9, 2011 at 9:18 am | Report abuse |
    • BOSTONDON

      LEGAL, OR ILLEGAL, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE GUNS. WE HAVE EVERY ILLEGAL DRUG, BOOTLEG EVERY MAJOR PRODUCT, IT KEEPS LAWENFORCEMENT JOBS AVAIABLE, STATE, LOCAL, AND FEDERAL FUNDS, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE SUB NETWORKS OF ILLEGAL GUNS, JAILS. AGAIN, IT BRING JOBS, AND FUNDS. UNFORTUNATELY, A COUPLE OF PEOPLE DIE. PEOPLE DIE EVERY DAY IN THIS COUNTRY, I GUARANTEE WE HAVE MORE DEATHS IN THE U.S. DUE TO HOMICIDES THAN DEATHS IN AFGHANASTAN. GUARANTEED

      January 9, 2011 at 9:45 am | Report abuse |
    • Legal gun owner

      Because of the 2nd amendment. what part of shall not infringe do you not get.

      January 9, 2011 at 10:08 am | Report abuse |
    • weyah_2000

      Let us remember the FULL text of the Second Amendment (emphasis added): A WELL REGULATED MILITIA, BEING NECESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

      It says nothing of home protection, hunting, target practice, collecting, or any of the other items so often cited by those who would take an absolutist view of this American right. A reading of the full text of the Second Amendment demonstrates that its purpose is to ensure that citizens can contribute their own resources FOR THE GREATER GOOD in the event the security of the State is threatened. But now we all contribute via taxes so we can buy guns for our militia (now known as Police, National Guard and US Armed Forces) so if we get called up, we don't have to bring our own muskets with us. In today's society, it is the indeed unrestricted, uninfringed ownership of guns that is threatening the security of the State–as yesterday's actions so graphically demonstrate. That doesn't mean we need to move to a world of NO gun ownership–that would be extreme in the other direction. But certainly we can find some middle ground so nine-year-olds who are excited about the political process don't get killed in the cross-fire.

      January 9, 2011 at 11:50 am | Report abuse |
    • M Snow

      Legal gun owner - I hope you are in a "well regulated militia" (and I don't mean those northern Michigan wing-nuts) otherwise, it seems that "the right to keep and bear arms" is a very tenuous argument... has always been. BTW – a "well REGULATED militia" would indicate that James Mason was thinking of a state-sponsored military unit... not the aforementioned wing-nuts.

      January 9, 2011 at 11:55 am | Report abuse |
  12. Kuwait_999

    Dear Jesus,

    We trust in you.

    Please comfort the victims familly.

    Please help us overcome this trauma... overcome all Evil acts

    Bless America... for it is the Nation that love you dearly

    Thank you

    January 9, 2011 at 9:21 am | Report abuse |
    • Charles

      And God thinks we are Special BECAUSE?

      January 9, 2011 at 9:34 am | Report abuse |
    • UMeat

      Religion is part of the problem here – the strongest form of bigotry.

      January 9, 2011 at 9:40 am | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      Where was Jesus when everyone was being killed and wounded yesterday?

      January 9, 2011 at 9:43 am | Report abuse |
    • Jack

      Where are all the idoits coming from with the religion angel. The guy was not any religion, be believed in Aliens, NOT god,
      People have a obsession with hating religion and god, if you wish to hate, hate yourself and leave the rest of us out please you little minon troll

      January 9, 2011 at 10:13 am | Report abuse |
    • myklds

      "In conclusion, reading the second United States const-it-ution I can't trust the current government because of the ratifications: the government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar.

      No! I won't pay debt with a currency that's not backed by gold and silver!

      No! I wont trust in God!"

      Above was one of the posts of the suspect.

      @All Atheists...See what people can do when they don't TRUST God?

      Then, how much worst people could do if they Don't BELIEVE God?

      January 9, 2011 at 1:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • myklds

      The killer/shooter was an Atheist.

      January 9, 2011 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
  13. ThusItBegins

    Um, does being a "target" make you guilty of something?

    January 9, 2011 at 9:24 am | Report abuse |
  14. Terry - Indiana

    I await the real facts. I have been very concerned about the rhetoric at political rallies, such as Tea Party Rallies last year. This guy is not the only person who possesses one or more guns with the ability to fire multiple shots prior to reloading the gun. I have not cared for the Palin Campaign Targeting Method, which when applied to unstable people, can be construed as a directive for attacking political opponents. Folks in Arizona walk around with guns on their hip and they claim it is for their own protection. They quote the Second Amendment like a bible verse. There are clearly more people involved in this matter, and the shooter was nothing more than a pawn in the process. Someone wound this guy up, then aimed him at a crowd of people. I look forward to real facts, not cable news guesswork.

    January 9, 2011 at 9:25 am | Report abuse |
    • catherine

      Terry, this nut job burns flags and hates religion and it’s been noted that he is a liberal-you were saying what? that Ed, Rachel and Keith are stirring up too much vitriol…YES I AGREE COMPLETELY let’s focus on that… All we hear about is the congresswoman who is alive and while i wish her a speedy recovery how about the dead Republican judge? NObody cares about him because why?

      January 9, 2011 at 9:39 am | Report abuse |
    • Consumer007

      @ Terry: Quote: "There are clearly more people involved in this matter, and the shooter was nothing more than a pawn in the process. Someone wound this guy up, then aimed him at a crowd of people. I look forward to real facts, not cable news guesswork."

      That may end up being true, and yes detectives are looking for another man, but you don't have the facts yet to come to that conclusion. That's what the trial is for.
      Innocent until PROVEN guilty.

      The guy was smart enough to get a YouTube channel going, but he was clearly disturbed and deranged. Those types can lash out at anyone without anyone else prompting them to do it. Therefore, it's way too premature and inappropriate to link to Sarah Palin (as much as i hate her) or anyone else for political purposes. The fact a large number of people from both sides on here and many many other sites just CAN'T WAIT to do that is the most revealing thing about this whole tragedy. Our nation could very well end up in a second civil war if all this doesn't stop.

      January 9, 2011 at 10:04 am | Report abuse |
    • brotherseamus

      Catherine, I feel sorry for you. If this event doesn't wake you up, I don't know what will.

      January 9, 2011 at 10:23 am | Report abuse |
    • Gary

      Catherine, you really are pathetically ignorant. Why don't you spare us your undereducated drivel & get ready for your job at Mickey D's. Another fries please

      January 9, 2011 at 10:37 am | Report abuse |
    • Cajun Dude

      Catherine,
      Nobody Cares about they Republican Judge? Are you kidding? Does that include you?
      The list of people who were killed was heartbreaking. The 9 year old girl was fascinated by politics, was elected to her little student counsel, and wanted to see a real political figure. The judge was a longstanding an honorable one for over 35 years. He did get threats when he upheld a suit by some illegal immigrants against a rancher.
      One that stung something terrible was the 74 year old man who was shot in the head trying to shield his wife. She was shot in the legs three times but he fell on top of her and protected her. Nobody has to apologize for how they act when facing the barrel of a gun, but I have to single out this man whose only thought was protecting the one he loved.

      January 9, 2011 at 11:14 am | Report abuse |
  15. Susie Q

    I am saddened by the some of the comments on this blog because of the insensitive comments and hatred I feel within them. If one looks carefully within this blog we find opposite points of views which is part of our right as a democratic society but what is evident is the lack of civility that no longer exists within the comments. What happend to civility, respect and caring for one another as human beings. We have lost that as a country and this type of behavior feeds those who are unstable and lost souls. I would invite all of us to find civility once again for the great future of our country.
    Lastly, I hope we will also remember the assistant principal who was killed in Omaha, NE this week. Again, the lost soul who killed her was unstable and unable to find his way.

    January 9, 2011 at 9:28 am | Report abuse |
    • Gary Glatz

      Susie, your sentiments are pure, but civility left this country with the advent of Fox News & its hate mongers along with the advent of the tea party & its ignorant baggers

      January 9, 2011 at 9:40 am | Report abuse |
    • lookatyourselfgary

      Gary, you are the embodiment of incivility.

      January 9, 2011 at 10:01 am | Report abuse |
    • brotherseamus

      Fox's stock in trade is division. The right used 9/11 to divide the American people, talk about "second amendment remedies," and yell and scream at town hall meetings because they fear actual honest debate.

      January 9, 2011 at 10:25 am | Report abuse |
    • kb

      Susie Q, extremely well said. Rather than expressing grief and sympathy for the people that were hurt and killed in this sensless attack, people are attacking eachother. Using this tragedy as an excuse to spew hatred against people that don't share their own political or religious views. It is indeed a sad sentiment to what has happened to the people in this country.

      January 9, 2011 at 12:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Food for Thought

      Just what does it take to get people to get people to open their heart, use a little of their God given intelligence and nod in agreement?

      One tragedy has already occurred. Innocent people have been killed or injured by a 22 year old young man whose horrific actions alone prove is mentality unbalanced.

      It would be nice if the core emphasis contained in various posts would be to be offer words of sympathy, compassion, and prayers for the victims, survivors and their families and loved ones.

      It was a tragedy which occurred because one demented person took it in his own to open fire on his fellow Americans at point blank range. Different media outlets will offer different "opinions" about what happened. We can flip to any one of 100's of channels on our TV's and listen to the "political perspective" we as as individuals most relate to.

      I find it sad that so many can't seem to put down their 'axe" long enough to do that. It seems so many just have to "grind that axe"... on and on.

      It's Rush! It's Obama! It's the Teabaggers! It's guns! It's Fox! It's Liberals! It's Rightwingers! It's the 7 million people of Arizona! It's Palin.

      It is NONE of the above.

      In a county of over 300 million people we are blessed to be pretty much free to go anywhere we choose to, whenever we want to. We don't need to show ID when we drive from our homes to our local strip mall.

      On Saturday morning some fellow Americans exercised that right and almost 20 of them found themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time. One 22 old nutcase is responsible. He exercised free will and decided to kill and maim people.. including a nine year old child.

      I offer my prayers to the victims, survivors and their affected families and friends. I offer no further commentary.

      Know, however, that the overwhelming majority of Americans actually see this horrific act of violence in simplistic fashion. One 22 year old nutcase violated one of the cardinal rules of civil society and murdered and maimed innocent people. it can't be rationalized because it was not a rational act.

      The guy with the gun is the one that deserves the vitriol. If you must "hate" someone he should be the focus.

      indiscriminately

      January 9, 2011 at 12:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Peter

      Let's not cover the sun with our hand and pretend there are no hidden political agendas in this country. This event may or may not have been driven by political motives, but the truth is that all these comments reflect a nation full or political turmoil. These comments need to be taken seriously. They come from the guts of the society: THE PEOPLE. It is unfortunate that these comments have to come up during unfortunate events like these. However, these comments NEED to be addressed properly.

      January 9, 2011 at 12:38 pm | Report abuse |
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