Arizona shooting: Latest developments
People attend a candlelight vigil in Tucson, Arizona, for victims of Saturday's shooting rampage outside a grocery store.
January 9th, 2011
08:05 PM ET

Arizona shooting: Latest developments

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Six people were killed and 14 others wounded, including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, when a gunman opened fire in front of a Safeway supermarket in Tucson, Arizona, authorities said. The congresswoman had been hosting a meeting with constituents Saturday morning when the attack began.

Here are the latest developments as confirmed by CNN:

[Updated 9:45 p.m.] Suspect Jared Lee Loughner tried to buy ammunition at a Wal-Mart a few weeks back but was turned down because of his behavior, a law enforcement source said. He then successfully bought it at a different Wal-Mart, according to the source.

[Updated 9:16 p.m.] A woman credited with wrestling an ammunition magazine from the suspect says she didn't have time to think about what she was doing. "(The suspect) pulled the magazine out of his pants pocket and it dropped onto the sidewalk. And before he could reach it, I got it," Patricia Maisch said.

[Updated 7:49 p.m.] Suspect Jared Lee Loughner was rejected by the Army for military service after failing a drug test in 2008, according to an administration official.

[Updated 7:43 p.m.] The U.S. Supreme Court says it will observe the moment of silence that President Barack Obama called for at 11 a.m. ET Monday. To accommodate this, the court will convene 10 minutes early, at 9:50 a.m. ET, so that the day's first argument before the court will be completed by 11 a.m.

[Updated 7:36 p.m.] House Democrats and Republicans participated in a rare bipartisan conference call Sunday to discuss the condition of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords as well as security concerns for members of Congress.

[Updated 6:33 p.m.] According to a federal agent's affidavit, U.S. District Judge John Roll, who was killed in the shooting, came to the Tucson from Phoenix to discuss the volume of federal cases in Arizona with Giffords.

[Updated 6:28 p.m.] The FBI has confirmed that investigators have found, questioned and cleared a man they had sought as a "person of interest" after the killings. The man was cab driver who dropped suspect Jared Lee Loughner off at the Safeway where Giffords' "Congress on Your Corner" event was being held, a law enforcement official previously said.

[Updated 6:24 p.m.] Veteran federal public defender Judy Clarke, who has experience in several high-profile cases including those of "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski and convicted terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui, was appointed to defend suspect Jared Lee Loughner, a federal judicial source said.

[Updated 6:01 p.m.] Calls to 911 following Saturday's shooting - released Sunday by the Pima County Sheriff's Office - paint a patchy picture of the scene.

[Updated 4:56 p.m.] Investigators found papers bearing the words "my assassination" and "Giffords" in a safe in the home of shooting suspect Jared Lee Loughner, according to a complaint filed against him in federal court.

[Updated 3:56 p.m.] U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords is the only person wounded in Saturday's shooting who is still in critical condition, doctors at University Medical Center in Tucson said. Three are in serious condition, six are in fair condition, and one has been released, they said.

- Officers of the Arizona Anti-Defamation League issued a statement condemning the attack: "During her years in the statehouse, Rep. Giffords served on the ADL Arizona Regional Board. Her affiliation with ADL, which monitors and exposes hate and extremist groups, contributed to her awareness of the nexus between hate ideology and violence. It is a testament to her dedication to her constituents that despite past threats against her, Rep. Giffords has always been so accessible to the people she represents.  Our thoughts and prayers are with Congresswoman Giffords and the other victims and their families."

[Updated 3:33 p.m.] Investigators have identified and ruled out the "person of interest" they were seeking in connection with the shooting, a law enforcement official said Sunday.

[Updated 3:30 p.m.] Federal authorities have charged Jared Lee Loughner, the 22-year-old suspect in Saturday's Arizona massacre, with first-degree murder, attempted murder and attempting to kill a member of Congress, according to court documents. Read the charges here.

[Updated at 3:25 p.m.] President Barack Obama called for a moment of silence to be held at 11 a.m. ET Monday and ordered flags to be flown at half-staff.

"I call on Americans to observe a moment of silence to honor the innocent victims of the senseless tragedy in Tucson, Arizona, including those still fighting for their lives," the president said in a news release. "It will be a time for us to come together as a nation in prayer or reflection, keeping the victims and their families closely at heart."

[Updated at 2:21 p.m. ET] Law enforcement investigators were speaking with a second person in the Arizona  Safeway shootings case, a law enforcement official told CNN. It is not clear whether this individual is the same person police had sought via the release of a surveillance image from overnight. It is also unknown at this time what connection this individual may have to the investigation.

[Updated at 1:38 p.m. ET] A dark-haired man seen in a picture distributed by authorities apparently "may not have been involved at all, but we still need to verify that," Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said Sunday.

[Updated at 1:18 p.m. ET] Precautions are in place to ensure the security of public officials after the shooting of an Arizona congresswoman, although authorities are aware of no specific threat against them, FBI Director Robert Mueller told reporters Sunday.

[Updated at 1:12 p.m. ET] The suspect in the Saturday shootings of 20 people at a Tucson, Arizona, grocery store is in federal custody, FBI Director Robert Mueller told reporters. Formal charges are expected against Jared Lee Loughner Sunday afternoon, he said.

[Updated at 12:13 p.m. ET] U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona is "able to communicate" with people, and the gunshot wound she sustained Saturday did not cross from one hemisphere of the brain to the other, doctors at Tucson's University Medical Center said Sunday.

[Updated at 12:00 p.m. ET] President Obama spoke by phone late Saturday to Mark Kelly, the husband of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, who was critically injured in a mass shooting, a senior White House official said. The official told CNN that Obama "expressed his deep concern and full support" for the family in the wake of the tragedy.

[Updated at 8:49 a.m. ET] House Speaker John Boehner has asked that flags on the House side of the Capitol be flown at half-staff in the wake of the shooting in Arizona, marking the death of Gabe Zimmerman, who was Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' director of community outreach.  "An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve," Boehner said Sunday.  "Such acts of violence have no place in our society. These tragic events remind us that all of us, in our roles in service to our fellow citizens, comes with a risk. This inhuman act should not and will not deter us from our calling to represent our constituents and to fulfill our oaths of office. No act, no matter how heinous, must be allowed to stop us from our duty," Boehner said.

- Authorities executed search warrants late Saturday night on a car and a residence where suspect Jared Lee Loughner  lived with his parents, a law enforcement source said.

- The law enforcement source said that Loughner's parents appeared to be cooperating with authorities, but the source did not know to what extent.

- Loughner, however, was still not cooperating. He had earlier invoked his right against self-incrimination.

- The sheriff's office said early Sunday that the correct name of one of the victims who died in the shooting is Dorothy Morris.

- The Pima County Sheriff's Department is expected to hold another news conference at 11 a.m. Sunday (1 p.m. ET).

- The University Medical Center in Tucson will offer a patient condition update at 10 a.m. Sunday (12 p.m. ET).

- As of 3:45 a.m. Sunday, Giffords remained in critical condition, said Darci Slaten, spokeswoman for the medical center. Of the nine other shooting victims taken to that hospital, four others were in critical condition and five were in serious condition.

- Early Sunday morning, the sheriff's office released a surveillance camera photo of a male between 40 and 50 years old who is "possibly associated with the suspect." The dark-haired man was last seen wearing blue jeans and a dark blue jacket, and was seen at the location where the shooting occurred.

- At 2 p.m. Sunday, a caucus conference call has been scheduled for House Democrats and their spouses to get an update on the shooting, two congressional sources said.

- At 8:30 a.m., Speaker of the House John Boehner will address the media in West Chester, Ohio, about the shooting.


- Congresswoman Giffords was taking part in a meet-and-greet with constituents called "Congress on Your Corner" outside a Safeway grocery store in Tucson.

- Before the event, she tweeted: "My 1st Congress on Your Corner starts now. Please stop by to let me know what is on your mind or tweet me later."

- The attack happened about 10 minutes into the event.

- Giffords did not have any security with her, said staffer Mark Kimble. "She wants to be as accessible to the people who elected her as possible," he said.

- Dr. Steven Rayle was about 10 feet away from Giffords when the gunman shot the congresswoman. "He continued to fire, sort of rapidly, really at point-blank range," he said, adding that the man was shooting indiscriminately.

- The suspect was tackled to the ground by two men while he was trying to reload, another witness said.

- The gun, which another bystander had wrestled from the gunman, was empty and cocked open. Federal and state law enforcement sources described it as a 9mm Glock outfitted with an extended magazine.

- The shooter had another magazine at the ready, according to Joe Zamudio, who said he was one of the bystanders who pinned the gunman to the ground until police showed up.

- Hearing the shooting, Daniel Hernandez, a trained nurse and a Giffords intern, rushed to see what happened and used his medical training to "apply pressure to the wound and keep her active and alert," said Arizona state Rep. Steve Farley. Hernandez was Farley's former campaign manager.


- Officials have not stated a motive for the shooting. The suspect was not talking and had invoked his right against self-incrimination, said Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik.

- At the direction of President Barack Obama, FBI Director Robert Mueller was headed to Arizona to help coordinate the investigation. The FBI is working jointly with local law enforcement. The U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Arizona said it has about a dozen people working on the investigation.

- The suspect was in federal custody early Sunday morning, said Jason Ogan, spokesman for the Pima County Sheriff's Department. As such, the suspect will not face a first appearance in court Sunday, Ogan said.

- Authorities released a photo of a male between 40 and 50 years old who is "possibly associated with the suspect." The dark-haired man was last seen wearing blue jeans and a dark blue jacket, and was seen at the location where the shooting occurred.

- Authorities did not know whether the person they sought actually had any connection with Jared Lee Loughner, a law enforcement source told CNN. Authorities have a piece of evidence that indicates this second individual was in close proximity to the store, the source said, but declined to elaborate.

- That source also said authorities were seeking search warrants for a residence and for a vehicle in connection with the suspect in custody.

- A law enforcement source familiar with the investigation said the Glock used in the shootings was purchased legally, but did not have the details when or where it was bought. The extended magazine used in the shooting was likely purchased separately and at a different time, the source said. The official said such a magazine does not automatically come with a weapons purchase and it would be extremely rare for them to be sold together in one purchase.


- Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, 40, was shot in the head and underwent surgery Saturday. Doctors were optimistic of her chances of surviving. "I'm about as optimistic as it can get in this situation," Dr. Peter Rhee of the University Medical Center said Saturday afternoon. He said the next 24 hours will be key for determining the extent of her recovery.

- First elected in 2006, Giffords is serving her third term in Congress.

- She narrowly beat Tea Party-backed Republican Jesse Kelly in the November midterm elections, garnering 49% to the latter's 47% of the votes.

- Known as a "Blue Dog," or moderate, Democrat, Giffords was a key swing vote in last year's health care reform debate. She didn't make up her mind to vote for the legislation until the final days before the ultimate passing vote.

- She is married to NASA astronaut Mark Kelly, a Navy captain who is scheduled to fly the April space shuttle mission to the international space station. She is the only U.S. representative with an active duty military spouse, according to her website.

- She has no children but is stepmother to Kelly's two children, said Sylvia Lee, president of Pima County Community College in Tucson.

- She had received threats in the past, Lee said. A glass panel at her Tucson office was shattered the day after the health care reform vote last year. Staffers suspected someone shot a pellet gun at the glass. At a town hall meeting, a gun fell out of a constituent's pocket. But Giffords' press secretary, C.J. Karamargin, said he was unaware of any recent threats against Giffords.

- She generally voted with her party, but voted against the auto bailout bill and was one of 19 Democrats to vote against former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's bid to become the Democrats' minority leader after the midterm elections returned Republicans to power in the House.

- She holds a master's degree in regional planning from Cornell University and a B.A. from Scripps College, where she was awarded a William Fulbright Scholarship to study for a year in Chihuahua, Mexico.

- Before embarking on a political career, she worked for Price Waterhouse Coopers and served as chief executive officer and president of El Campo Tire, her family's business.

- She then served in the Arizona Legislature from 2000 to 2005, where she was the youngest woman elected to the Arizona state Senate.


- The suspect in the shooting is Jared Lee Loughner, a 22-year-old former community college student, according to an Arizona law enforcement source and a U.S. law enforcement source.

- He railed against government "mind control" and illiteracy in online missives and had "kind of a troubled past," said Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik.

- He also had brushes with the law, the sheriff said without elaborating. "We understand that there have been law enforcement contacts with the individual where he made threats." Court records indicate he had been arrested for possession of drug paraphernalia in 2007, but the charge was dismissed.

- Loughner dropped out of high school in 2006, after his junior year, said Tamara Crawley, a spokeswoman for the Marana United School District in suburban Tucson.

- In 2008, he tried to enlist in the U.S. Army. The Army rejected him, and privacy laws keep the military from disclosing the reason, the service said in a statement to CNN.

- He enrolled at Aztec Middle College, a partnership between Tucson schools and Pima Community College that helps high school dropouts transition to community colleges, the community college President Sylvia Lee told CNN.

- He took classes at the college from 2005 until October 2010, but withdrew after five contacts with police "for classroom and library disruptions" at two campuses between February and September, the school said.

- Loughner was suspended after authorities found a YouTube video in which he called the school "illegal according to the U.S. Constitution, and makes other claims," a college statement said. He quit during an October 4 meeting with his parents and school administrators, and a follow-up letter warned that to return, he had to present a doctor's note stating that "his presence at the College does not present a danger to himself or others."

- On his YouTube page, a list of his favorite books included both Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf" and Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels' "The Communist Manifesto," along with works by George Orwell, Ray Bradbury, Ken Kesey, Herman Hesse, Ernest Hemingway, Plato and Aesop's fables.

- "Good-bye friends," read a Saturday morning posting on Loughner's MySpace page, just hours before the shooting. "Dear friends ... Please don't be mad at me. The literacy rate is below 5%. I haven't talked to one person who is literate."

- A December 30 posting read, "Dear Reader ... I'm searching. Today! With every concern, my shot is now ready for aim. The hunt, a mighty thought of mine."

- Online, Loughner complained about the "second Constitution," a term legal scholars sometimes use to describe the post-Civil War amendments that ended slavery, extended the right to vote and required equal protection under the law. Its meaning to Loughner could not be clearly discerned.

- In an apparent reference to Giffords' congressional district, he wrote in a December 15 video message on YouTube: "The majority of people, who reside in District-8 are illiterate - hilarious."

- In the same message he wrote: "If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon. I define terrorist."


In addition to the 12 people wounded in the shooting, the following six were killed:

- John Roll, 63. A native of Pennsylvania, Roll was a federal judge for the U.S. District Court for the District of Arizona who had served the legal system for nearly 40 years. He began his career as a bailiff in Pima County Superior Court and rose to be chief judge for the District of Arizona, a position he held since 2006.

He received death threats two years ago after he ruled that a $32 million civil-rights lawsuit filed by illegal immigrants against a rancher in the state could proceed. He had been assigned to hear the ethnic studies ban case out of Tucson that involves a new law banning certain ethnic studies programs in public schools, according to the lead attorney on the case, Richard Martinez. Chief Justice of the United States John Roberts called Roll's death a tragic loss.

- Christina Taylor Greene, 9. She was born on September 11, 2001, according to CNN affiliate KVOA. Family members described her as "excited" about the political process, and said the desire to learn more about it had motivated her to go to the Gifford event, the affiliate said. Christina had just been elected to the student council at her school, the Arizona Republic reported. She died at a hospital, and not at the scene like the other five.

- Gabe Zimmerman, 30. A Tucson native who was engaged to be married, Zimmerman was the director of community outreach for the congresswoman.

- Dorwin Stoddard, 76. Dory, as his family calls him, was a retired construction worker, said Pastor Mike Nowak at Mount Avenue Church of Christ in Tucson. Witnesses told CNN that Stoddard tried to shield his wife, Mavy, was shot in the head and fell on her. The wife was shot three times in her legs; the bullets were removed and she is expected to make a full recovery.

- Dorothy Morris, 76

- Phyllis Scheck, 79


- Following the shootings, all legislation on the House schedule for the coming week was postponed, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor said. The decision was made by leaders of both parties and means the House will not vote next week on the repeal of health care reform.

- Although U.S. Capitol Police said there was no evidence of a broader threat involving federal officials, it has advised other members of Congress to take "reasonable and prudent precautions regarding their personal safety and security." The House sergeant at arms also said "it is essential" that lawmakers contact local police to register their home and office addresses.

- Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villasenor said his department had secured the homes and offices of some unnamed federal officials as a "precautionary measure."

- Rep. Chellie Pingree, D-Maine, said an incident like this could have a chilling effect on the frequent weekend listening sessions that many members of Congress have with their constituents.

- In Tucson, supporters gathered outside the University Medical Center, keeping vigil as family members waited with wounded loved ones inside. On the other side of the country, dozens of marchers braved subfreezing temperatures and gusty winds to gather on Capitol Hill for a candlelight vigil Saturday night.


- President Barack Obama: "We do not yet have all the answers. What we do know is that such a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society."

- Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer: "I am just heartbroken. Gabby is more than just a colleague, she is my friend. She has always been a noble public servant."

- John Roberts, chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, on the death of one of the victims, Judge U.S. District Judge John Roll: "Chief Judge Roll's death is a somber reminder of the importance of the rule of law and the sacrifices of those who work to secure it."

- U.S. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi: "Congresswoman Giffords is a brilliant and courageous member of Congress, bringing to Washington the views of a new generation of national leaders. It is especially tragic that she was attacked as she was meeting with her constituents whom she serves with such dedication and distinction."

- House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio: "An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve. Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society."

- U.S. Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona: "I am horrified by the violent attack on Representative Gabrielle Giffords and many other innocent people by a wicked person who has no sense of justice or compassion.  ... Whoever did this, whatever their reason, they are a disgrace to Arizona, this country and the human race, and they deserve and will receive the contempt of all decent people and the strongest punishment of the law."

- Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin: "There is no place in our society or discourse for such senseless and unconscionable acts of violence."


- Officials have not stated a motive for the shooting.

- Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik used a nationally televised press conference to condemn the tone of political discourse in his state. He charged that public debate is now "vitriolic rhetoric," which has rendered Arizona "the mecca for prejudice and bigotry." Dupnik suggested that such rhetoric can have deadly consequences.

- Last March, Giffords raised concerns about inflammatory rhetoric after her office was vandalized, and she cited how her name appeared on a website titled "Take back the 20" as part of a list originally issued by former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin in March 2010 against vulnerable House Democrats.

- The list, which named 20 House members who voted for health care reform, showed crosshairs over the contested Democratic districts.

- At the time, Giffords responded to the map by saying on MSNBC that her long-serving colleagues had "never seen anything like it." "The thing is, the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district," Giffords said in March. "When people do that, they've got to realize there's consequences to that action."

- A day after Giffords voted in favor of health care reform, a glass panel at her Tucson office was shattered.

- At a town hall meeting, a gun fell out of a constituent's pocket.

- Giffords' press secretary, C.J. Karamargin, said he was unaware of any recent threats against Giffords.

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  1. Mikeyman

    I am a right-winger, but think that this "tragedy" has nothing to do with party affiliation. It's not Palin's fault, it's simply a case of a psychiatrically ill person, whom the police failed multiple times to prosecute and imprison, taking out his anger on innocent people and getting the attention that the media gets suckered into giving him. His family and friends ignored his good-bye note, his rantings on You-tube, and, as a result, an innocent 9-year-old girl, among others, is dead. "Guns don't kill people" is a bunch of crap; had he not been able to buy a gun (no gun registration laws in Arizona??!!!), the worst he could have done was heckled Giffords, and remained an anonymous ass in the crowd. Now he's famous, innocent people are dead, families are devastated, a public servant fights for her life...and the saddest thing is, nothing will change in the way our country operates. We'll still be more concerned with the rights of criminals than their just desserts; some dirtbag lawyer will defend this guy; and the same thing could happen again tomorrow.

    January 9, 2011 at 12:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Haden

      I agree that the hateful, violent rhetoric used by so many conservatives lately was probably not the reason behind this attack. This kid was crazy. We won't know his motivation for months.

      Of course, you want to blame lawyers for this. If a lawyer defends this man, they deserve a medal, not your condemnation. Our society is judged by how it treats the least of its citizens. Our rights are meaningless unless they are applied equally. Every time I hear someone saying stuff like you are saying, I wonder if you would prefer that we storm the jail, drag this kid out, and lynch him. "We" are not concerned with the rights of criminals. "We" are concerned with the rights of Americans. Nobody is a criminal until convicted. Before that, they have rights just like you do.

      January 9, 2011 at 1:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mama Grizzly

      A lot of Mama Grizzlies came out to defend their rights.

      January 9, 2011 at 1:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • CommonSensical

      News flash: No one ever thought that the political vitriol, crosshairs and 'reload' comments were going to encourage a sane person to attack politicians. However, it was reasonable and correct to think this might encourage lunatics to go a little more crazy and do exactly this type of thing. The fear was justified, the comments irresponsible, this proves it.
      You people who dont think Sarah Pailin and her tea party ilk are responsible for this are just dishonest. You can say with a straight face that MIchelle Obama fighting child obesity by suggesting healthier school food is an attempt to undermine our rights, but you cant see that Sarah Pailin using images and terms of violence ecourages unablanced people to committ violent acts??
      You need to be more honest and admit that this was a forseeable outcome of the right wing rhetoric we have seen, the FOX news, Sarah Palin, GLenn Back Axis of stuipidity's effect on the mentally unbalanced.

      January 9, 2011 at 2:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • JC

      What exactly are your qualifications to determine that a person you've never met is "psychiatrically ill?"

      The police do not "prosecute and imprison" people, the police arrest people. The district attorney prosecutes people and the courts decide if those people are to be imprisoned. Anyone who's taken a high school civics class (or seen and episode of Law & Oder) should know this.

      January 9, 2011 at 2:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • GPS

      Well stated!

      January 9, 2011 at 3:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Laura

      Why is tragedy in quotes?

      January 9, 2011 at 4:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • pam

      It is palin's fault and all of her tea party cronies. When you try to incite a crowd into believing whatever filfth you are spewing, you will always catch the attention of some lowlife with mental problems who sees the world as the cause of his/her problems. If everyone worked together for the good of the country, this probably wouldn't have happened. Quit spewing hate and blame and you won't see these losers come out of the woodwork like they are now doing.

      January 9, 2011 at 4:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • CJ

      I deeply wish that one of the bystanders there would have been carrying a gun. A bystandere with a gun would have stopped him before he could have killed all those people. Criminals will always be able to get guns, so gun control laws only take guns away from good people. There are countless stories of how good citizens can stop crime by having a gun. I am so glad that there are people out there who have a gun and have been through training and can stop these veents. I only wish it had been the case here.

      January 9, 2011 at 4:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      James ask your sister sarah..Hey, Sarah Palin, how’s that hatey, killy, reloady, chrosshairsy thing working out for ya?

      January 9, 2011 at 5:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ellen Yorke

      Thanks Mikeyman! I am a liberal and I totally agree with you. There are thousands of disturbed people and as long as they have easy access to guns, massacre of innocent people will happen again and again. Indeed they happen every day – but because they only kill or injure 'ordinary' individuals, they are only covered locally.

      January 9, 2011 at 5:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jaggy2

      A toxic political political climate + a state where the gun laws are incredibly lax + mentally disturbed young man with a political agenda = big trouble. Sarah Palin may not have been the shooter's motivator, but surely she helped create the toxic climate, particularly by taking out an ad that clearly took aim at Rep. Giffords. As a life-long Republican who has shot safely and competently for more than 70 years, I continue to be appalled by the efforts of the NRA and the gun lobby to block sensible firearms laws. I suggest that anyone who buys a gun or seeks a license to carry one should first produce a letter from his or her personal physician that or she is of sound mind, but I bet the NRA would try to block that.

      P/s I agree that the NRA dictum that "guns don't kill people" is crap!

      January 9, 2011 at 8:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • mdmooser

      Hey Mikeyman, you cut through a lot of things from not my perspective but ultimate truth. Nothing will change and the bureaucracy gets more layered all the time. And how is the dirtbag lawyer the instilled element of the free society and the downfall. True, true. Good job, good post, this is what society and communication is ultimately about not shooting people. Not always ragging on people but trying to communi9cate to work for common ground not personal ego gain.

      January 9, 2011 at 9:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dover

      You're a right winger?......OF COURSE you don't think there is any party affiliation to this incident! One of your goons published a map with cross hairs of a gun over the victims name, yet you fail to see the connection. You are not only a right winger, you are a TYPICAL right winger that has no ability to see the faults of their actions. Bush taught you that much and you idiots have been in lock-step ever since.

      January 9, 2011 at 10:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jim Brieske

      Haden. You are a fuking idiot.

      January 9, 2011 at 11:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Michael Johnson

      Could someone please explain why the actions of a left-wing pothead were caused by "right wing" rhetoric. Would not the target placed on Giffords' district by the left wing Kos, and the vitriolic blog posting on Kos by BoyBlue recently be the far more likely culprit.

      Oops, sorry, facts don't matter when you want to attack conservatives, particularly Sarah Palin.

      January 9, 2011 at 11:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jim Brieske

      CommonSensical. You are a moron. This has nothing to do with politics. This person decided to murder just like men do on any other day of the week.
      This is a result of failing to adequately punish those who committ murder. These monsters must be executed, within one hour of receiving the death sentence, in a manner that is impossible for them to do to another human being. Slashing and throwing a murderer into a glass tank full of sharks to be eaten alive while being televised to all Americans will stop potential murderers from murdering. No man wants to have his penis eaten along with everything else by sharks while he is alive.
      You disagree with this then you disagree with God.

      January 9, 2011 at 11:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Janemhg

      WRONG, milkyman, as an Independent I believe party affiliation did contribute to this tragedy! I cringe at the imagery use by the Tea Party and the words for Palin on TV. I was in D.C. with family in spring of 2010 and saw the signs the Tea Party was carrying. We had many questions to answer to our 10 and 15 year olds about the hateful language and images used to promote "democracy." Really, it's time to act like responsible adults and role models for our children. They watch us and learn from us. My children are learning that Americans are hateful. The sick young man who did this crime was influenced too.

      January 10, 2011 at 2:03 am | Report abuse |
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      January 10, 2011 at 2:35 am | Report abuse |
    • European

      I believe Sarah Palin is personaly responsible for that shooting and should be sentenced for conspiracy to murder. You USA-citizens should see that this woman with brain the size of a microbe does nothing but damage to the whole country and the nation because of her ignorance and a lack of knowledge and experience. American people should recognize that she is an imposter and shoul kick her out of every political post. Sarah Palin is a real embarassment for USA and i cannot imagine what would happen if a geriatric McCain would win the election along with the ultra-stupid and ignorant Palin.. Sorry guys but i really have to say that at this moment the USA doesn't have anything to be a role model for smaller democratic countries across the world.
      Weapons and crime are also a rotten point inside a USA-society.
      This is where you come when you encourage free weapons for everybody to buy.

      January 10, 2011 at 3:25 am | Report abuse |
    • Kevin

      Jim, you need to read a book or something once in a while. To say that this happened because we don't punish murders enough is pretty absurd. Murderers are not afraid of dying or going to jail. States that do not have the death penalty consistently have lower rates of violent crimes than those that do. It is illogical to think that a murderer would think to himself, "Man, this state has the death penalty, I better not kill this woman for her money. If only I could spend the rest of my life in prison instead!"

      To those saying he was left-wing: You can actually find some posts of mine here vehemently defending Palin, et al, from the attacks by Democrats. However, only recently have I learned all of the facts. His favorite books list includes "We The Living" By Ayn Rand, a radical right-winger. Fox News reported that he has links to the American Renaissance group, a self-described conservative group promoting white supremacy. Also, if you look at his YouTube videos, most of the conspiracy theories are hallmarks of the extreme right.

      January 10, 2011 at 4:01 am | Report abuse |
  2. Why so much coverage

    Okay six people were killed and 14 were injured . Why is this congresswoman getting ALL the coverage?

    January 9, 2011 at 12:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • gac628

      Because she was the object of the Tea Party targeting and there MIGHT be a relationship between that and her shooting.


      January 9, 2011 at 12:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • JTiz

      This bothered me initially as well. I think it's because she was believed to be the main target.

      January 9, 2011 at 1:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Eric

      She is getting most, not all, of the coverage because she was the most prominent victim. Same reason Reagan got more coverage than Baker when they were shot, and Kennedy got more than officer Tippitt. Why did Jesus get more attention than the other two guys who were crucified at the same time?

      January 9, 2011 at 1:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Just Charles


      Because she was the primary target of the shooter???

      January 9, 2011 at 1:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dianne

      Maybe the families of the private citizens want PRIVACY.

      January 9, 2011 at 2:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • rita

      because she was a congresswomen and people are sick and tired of congress they are screweing us all over

      January 9, 2011 at 4:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dana

      Because according to the shooter, this congresswoman was the goal of the attack.

      January 9, 2011 at 8:49 pm | Report abuse |
  3. gac628

    Uh oh, Chuck's on the loose again. Look out Libtards, Momma Grizzly's suckling is spewing.

    January 9, 2011 at 12:52 pm | Report abuse |
  4. QinZirO

    May the perpetrators be judged
    by god

    January 9, 2011 at 12:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dana

      and may the feds and/or state of Arizona quickly usher this meeting with his maker.

      January 9, 2011 at 8:50 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Keith

    Ok, lets look at the facts:
    1) He's obsessed with the "gold standard" monetary system, rants against "big government", likes guns and thinks that violence is the answer. Therefore he is not a liberal.
    2) He lists "The Communist Manifesto", "The Republic" and "Mein Kampf" among his favorite books. Which means he can read. Therefore he is not a conservative.
    Thus, by the process of elimination: He is an independent.

    January 9, 2011 at 1:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dig

      Sweet. I like your style.

      January 9, 2011 at 1:19 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Mike

    "Loughner, however, was still not cooperating. He had earlier invoked his right against self-incrimination"
    Loughner invoked his right to remain silent and the right to console under Miranda not against self-incrimination which does not apply in interrogations or interviews. Self-incrimination is for testimony. I have only seen one press conference and in it the sheriff stated that the suspect had invoked his rights, nothing more, so to the writing staff, please don't add information on to quotes. And to every one else, stop fighting and pointing fingers because of politics. Because you disagree on a few issues, doesn't mean you should resort to name calling and blaming others that have different ideas than you for this tragedy. Wishing the best for a quick and complete recovery for all the victims and condolences to all the families and friends of the victims.

    January 9, 2011 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Galt1

      This certainly was a senseless tragedy. Already the fringe side of both parties are trying to use this to their advantage. After reading the posts about this issue, the vitriol is even stronger than before.

      So instead of calling ourselves Progressives or Conservatives why don't we just seek the truth first and see where it leads.
      Fact: This mentally disturbed young man has been a loner his whole life.
      Fact: He tried to join the military and was rejected because of a failed drug test.
      Fact: A letter from the Congresswoman was found in a safe in his house. The letter thanked him for his support.
      Fact: He was suspended from a local Junior College recently for multiple incidents.
      Fact: He was instructed if he brought in a doctors letter indicating that he would not be a danger to himself or others he would be reinstated.
      Fact: He has participated in Democratic rallies in the past.
      Fact: People who knew him well indicated that he sided with the far left.
      Fact: He called most of the people in District 8, his district and that of the Congresswoman, illiterate and then laughed.
      Fact: If you read and watch all the material he has posted on U-tube, etc, it is readily apparent he has a unrealistic superiority complex coupled with a major chip on his shoulder.
      Fact: He has had run-ins with authorities on multiple occasions to include drug problems.

      Seriously, this is one screwed up person. My heart and prayers go out to those suffering so much because of this. From what I heard, the prognosis for the Congresswoman is better than expected. I hope she makes a complete recovery and returns to Congress to do the peoples business.

      So why are the spin doctors trying to say this all happened because of the Tea Party. The Tea Party didn't do this. He did this and after all the investigation is said and done, there will be no connection with him and the Tea Party. There will however, be a connection between him and the democrats.

      January 9, 2011 at 10:13 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Dan

    Trying to associate this kid with a political party is nonsense. This kid had a psychiatric illness, probably paranoid schizophrenia, that was only going to get worse as he got older. Reading other media sources, he had made "numerous death threats in the past." I'm not placing blame on law enforcement, but those "death threats" should have put him on somebody's radar. This horrible, tragic event is a painful reminder that at any given time there's approximately 1% of the population afflicted with serious mental disease (schizophrenia).

    January 9, 2011 at 1:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dover

      Thank you Dr. Dan for that diagnosis. Here is my diagnosis for you (if you are making it ok for unqualified people to hand out diagnoses for someone they never even examined). You're an idiot.

      January 9, 2011 at 10:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joe

      He still needed a ereason to set him off so yes he may have been inspired by all the hate coming from thr far right and the tea baggers. Why do the same type of people shoot abortion Doctors? So just how unstable was this guy must not be to unstable if refuses to talk?

      January 10, 2011 at 10:29 am | Report abuse |
  8. White Man

    Hey Black Man if a white man said that you would be yelling discrimination so SHUT UP

    January 9, 2011 at 1:34 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Sharon

    I have read all of the above comments; many of which sound as hateful toward some other commenters as they seem toward the gunmen Jared. Why this way toward each other?

    I agree with one comment from the Sherrif (yesterday) "the hatred and bigotry in this country" is appalling.
    The hatred and bigotry around the world is even more appaling!

    Let's think on the victims...innocent little 9 year old Christina Taylor Greene.
    Look at her date of birth....September 11, 2001 – born on a day of violence
    and died on a day of violence 9 years later – Saturday Jan. 8, 2011.
    Our world needs to change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    We need to be the change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    January 9, 2011 at 1:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • James

      Who needs to tone down the speach? Sorry but it was Obama who referred to Republicans in the last election as "the enemy". If I am not mistaken didn't he also make a comment along the lines of “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” That was in June 2008 at a Philadelphia fundraiser .

      Other Obama quotes:

      Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
      Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
      Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
      Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
      Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
      Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
      Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
      Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
      Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”

      January 9, 2011 at 3:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lisa67

      James, just SHUT UP and reread the post you responded to.

      January 9, 2011 at 3:25 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Anthony

    Reports now are coming out on this nut case that are pointing to the fact he may very well be someone one the fringe LEFT. A class mate of his made a statement that in 2007 he was definitely in the Left camp.

    January 9, 2011 at 1:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Just Charles

      I guess you feel compelled to tell yourself that.

      Part of the problem with "conservative" people is self-delusion and a compulsion to refute what is clear as bell to others.

      January 9, 2011 at 1:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Heather

      In 2007, according to a classmate who admits she hadn't seen him since that time, he was liberal, yes.

      However, apparently his Myspace page (since removed) and his youtube videos (which are frightening, no matter how you look at it) – relate to a lot rhetoric of the more radical tea party members. Talk of gold standard, talk of his civil rights being eroded, etc.

      There is also *rumor* that he was involved in a radical fringe group that supports the Tea Party, but I don't think that's been proven.

      No matter what the motive, this still should make people stand up and take notice that any indication of violence in rhetoric from either side can lead to disaster and a tragedy like what happened in Arizona. Pictures of crosshairs with names under them, comments like, "bring a gun to a knife fight" or "don't retreat, reload..." are only going to fuel tempers and sooner or later, someone will take them up on it.

      Then again, they may already have on Saturday morning – we just don't know all the facts yet.

      January 10, 2011 at 12:35 am | Report abuse |
  11. Lou

    People conducting press conferences on CNN or other channel should be aware that questioners do not have microphones and before answering, FBI Director and PIma Sheriff should repeat the question before answering so that the listeners can better understand what was asked.

    January 9, 2011 at 1:49 pm | Report abuse |
  12. OsamaThanksYou

    The leaders of Al Qaeda are watching all the hatred flying in America and laughing. They don't need to fly jets into the World Trade Center, they don't need shoe bombers, they don't need to attack America. All they need to do is get Americans to HATE each other, turn Republicans against Democrats, Conservatives against Liberals and watch as we slowly kill ourselves off ("See Obama, they killed 6 more today and we didn't have to spend a dime on explosives!!!))

    Now, when tragedy strikes, instead of pulling together – Americans are at each others throats (which is exactly what Al Qaeda and every other terrorist group in the world wants...) What I really find interesting, is that as a "Conservative Republican" there are a number of things that Liberals want that I myself would actually like to see – I don't think there is ANYONE who doesn't want to see SOME changes in the health care system, but instead of working things out, we end up AT EACH OTHERS THROATS (and Al Queda laughs again!!!)

    It's a real shame that we'll never see past our absolute NEED to blame someone else, raise the level of hatred and move another step closer to destroying ourselves – while they sit back, laughing at how easy it was to fan the flames of hatred and watch the stupid "infidels" of America rid themselves of the world...

    January 9, 2011 at 2:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rauol

      I'm 300% agree with you... you are wise... shame all the other ...

      January 9, 2011 at 3:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lisa67

      Thank you for so eloquently making that point. The little 9 year old girl was born on September 11, 2001. Perhaps this is a sign? It seems this is the last time we all thought of ourselves as Americans rather than "rightwing whackos" and "leftist commie pinkos". Take a look at yourselves people.

      January 9, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Colonel

      Well put. If we cannot learn the lessons the reactions to this tragedy can teach us, our enemies need do nothing but sit on their hands. Extremists on both sides of center are leaping to blame the other "side." If we do not figure out in a hurry that our "side" is the Us in USA then school is out. People, quit watching Fox and MSNBC. Think for yourselves.

      January 9, 2011 at 4:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jim Brieske

      OsamaThanksYou. Your view of the world is way off. You are either a fool or an idiot. Most likely both.

      January 10, 2011 at 12:18 am | Report abuse |
  13. Tina

    So typical of the liberals to blame everyone but the person who committed the crime. Maybe all of you should go to his cell and hold his hand and try to "understand" him. People make choices on their own.No one makes you do what you do. If you think that then you are just trying to justify your actions instead of being held accountable for them. Thats whats wrong with this country. Too many crybabies thinking the world owes them.

    January 9, 2011 at 2:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dana

      The old "personal accountability" routine? Where is the personally accountability for inflammatory rhetoric?

      January 9, 2011 at 8:54 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Mark L.

    My entire family and I extend our utmost, heartfelt condolences to the victims of this horrible tragedy. We also would like to extend our prayers to U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and hope she is able to make a full recovery. As far as I am concerned, politics is just not worth all this. Whether you're a liberal or "blue-dog" moderate democrat, or a conservative or TEA party republican, we all need to learn to work together and stop with all of the bickering. Otherwise, this great country of ours is going to head straight down the drain. Our country's forefathers would roll over in their graves if they knew what is going on in this nation of ours at this time. It's all a BUNCH OF NONSENSE !! That's all that it is. Highly paid congressional representatives acting like a bunch of kindergarten school children. That's what our nation has turned into. It is the sad reality, but nevertheless, it is the truth.

    January 9, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Report abuse |
  15. The Bookie

    There’s millions of Americans carrying the same sentiment as the Arizona shooter, yet our irritations aren’t engulfed by insanity. Glenn Beck advises us daily how The Federal Reserve Note can‘t be trusted. Beck encourages us that security is in GOLD.

    The Arizona shooter's ideologies are inline with what Glenn Beck teaches us. Here’s the problem. Being a thick skinned person myself, Beck’s teachings aren’t meant for the meek and timid. After watching Beck, I find myself playing into his FEAR FACTORS. Beck’s visions are sometimes hard to accept. I know several family and friends that have STOPPED watching BECK, I say good for them, if they're bothered that much.

    If Beck’s truths are bothersome, then some should not watch or listen to his show. I watch and record Beck everyday. I’m asked by others, how can I bear Beck’s fear mongering?. You must understand how powerless we are individually. Electronic communications have enabled us to sustain perpetual correctness. Texting or E-mails have facilitated a ghosting tactic. Without any recourse to our words, a type of meanness has evolved. Young Americas current and future doubts have caused despair, spurring on bad decisions. Beck can leave young Americans feeling powerless, not helpful for such a self-empowered generation.

    Although true, Beck doesn’t offer many solutions. I hear Beck say, tune in tomorrow for the solution. Besides preparing, the solutions are few. Our choices are, vote, call your leaders, remain vigilant, pray and prepare. When hopelessness sets in, Americans will lose it. Without faith or hope there’s no peace of mind. No peace of mind crafts unstable people.

    The Arizona shooter is product of a weak minded person that knows too much. I’ve said lately I’m actually glad 50% of the nations population is under informed. When Americans recognize just how our hands are tied, more violence will surface. Americans need to be patient. Even though our economy is weak, and our leaders are playing us for fools, we must remember losing it will backfire.

    State leaders and Washington politicians are responsible for telling Americans the truth. During times of uncertainties our leaders should be supportive, yet Washington increases our apprehension daily. What I see is our politicians are clueless and afraid themselves.

    The facts are hard to except when we see rising gas prices, food cost soaring, homes being lost, jobs disappearing. Our leaders are telling us, unemployment is down, the worst is behind us, and the future looks good. These same statements have been reiterated for 2 years now. Our present leaders aren’t willing to see things for what they are. When past leaders are referenced as the reason for failure, obviously desperation has set in.

    Americans are afraid. Progressive Americans are turning to Obama’s hope and faith to eliminate their fear, and Conservative Americans are turning to God to cull theirs. Either way American’s are turning toward anyone that can supply them with some feel good comfort, and a marginal few which can’t find hope will turn hostile.


    January 9, 2011 at 2:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sidewinder

      Very well stated, Bookie. All that has transpired is symptomatic of a much, much bigger picture no matter where one stands. The best post I've read here in days.

      January 9, 2011 at 2:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • RealityCheck

      You sound like you're condoning this...or that it's to be expected somehow.

      Keep it simple. Shooting people isn't ok. It isn't normal. It isn't understandable, or to be expected.

      We live pretty well here in the USA. It isn't perfect. People like Glen Beck (or similar fearmongers of any political bent) are part of the problem. It's time to quit talking about the world ending and just focus on the job at hand–get to work, and make this country the best you can for yourself, your family, your friends, and the rest of the country.

      January 9, 2011 at 7:11 pm | Report abuse |
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