Arizona shooting: Latest developments
A makeshift memorial outside U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' District Office.
January 10th, 2011
08:21 PM ET

Arizona shooting: Latest developments

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Six people were killed and 14 others wounded, including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, when a gunman opened fire in front of a Safeway supermarket in Tucson, Arizona, authorities said. The congresswoman had been hosting a meeting with constituents Saturday morning when the attack began.

Here are the latest developments as confirmed by CNN:

[Updated at 8:19 p.m.] President Barack Obama will travel to Tucson on Wednesday, and likely will attend a memorial service and visit with the relatives of the shooting victims, many of whom he already has spoken to by phone, two senior administration officials tell CNN.

[Updated at 4:33 p.m.] Suspect Jared Lee Loughner has made a 15-minute initial appearance in a federal court in Phoenix. A judge asked Loughner whether he understood the charges - attempted assassination of a member of Congress; two counts of murder for the deaths of Judge John Roll and Gabriel Zimmerman; and two counts of attempted murder. Loughner replied that he understood.

A preliminary hearing is scheduled for January 24.

[Updated at 2:23 p.m.] Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Arizona, sent an email the night before she was shot at an event in Tucson calling for a more civil tone in politics.

Giffords offered congratulations to Kentucky Secretary of State Trey Grayson, a Republican, after he was named Director of Harvard University's Institute of Politics on Friday.

"After you get settled, I would love to talk about what we can do to promote centrism and moderation," Giffords wrote in the email, provided to CNN by Grayson. "I am one of only 12 Dems left in a GOP district (the only woman) and think that we need to figure out how to tone our rhetoric and partisanship down."

[Updated at 12:43 p.m.] Former Cuban leader Fidel Castro weighed in on the Arizona mass shooting that killed six and injured 14, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, in a column distributed Monday.

[Updated at 12:15 p.m.] Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords remains in critical condition but her condition has stabilized, doctors at Tucson's University Medical Center indicated Monday.

"We're not out of the woods yet" but are optimistic about her prospects of recovery, said Dr. Michael Lemole, chief of neurosurgery.

[Updated at 12:03 p.m.] Two patients from Saturday's shooting have been discharged and only two remain in intensive care, the chief of the department of surgery at Tucson's University Medical Center announced Monday.

Eight patients remain at Tucson's University Medical Center, Chief of Emergency Medicine Peter Rhee announced Monday. Five are in serious condition, two are in good condition, and one is in critical condition, Rhee said.

[Updated at 11:01 a.m.] President Barack Obama led the nation in a moment of silence Monday for victims of the weekend massacre in Tucson, Arizona.

[Updated at 9:47 a.m.] Judge John Roll,  one of the victims in the Arizona shooting, will leave behind a legacy as a man who put excellent attention into every component of his life, his former clerk spoke told CNN's T.J. Holmes.

[Updated at 9:15 a.m.] Dr. Steven Rayle, helped hold the Arizona gunman down and Patricia Maisch, grabbed the magazine cartridge after suspect Jared Lee Loughner allegedly opened fire in a Safeway in Tuscon, Arizona.

"You just react," Maisch told CNN about approaching the gunman. "You just do it."

[Updated at 9:01 a.m.] The University Medical Center in Tucson is expected to give an updated diagnosis on Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords condition later Monday morning after she was shot in the head.

Chief of neurosurgery at the hospital, Dr. Michael Lemole, told CNN that Rep. Giffords is 'holding her own' and that no change in her condition is a good thing.

[Updated at 8:49 a.m.] Ben McGahee, Jared Lee Loughner's former teacher at Pima Community College told CNN he believed suspect Jared Lee Loughner was a troubled man and that he was "scared of what he could do.'

[Updated at 8:34 a.m.] While the motivation for Saturday's attack in Tucson, Arizona are still unclear, a concern in Washington and in the nation at large is whether or not the current political rhetoric has gotten out of control.

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz warns that while "we cannot allow incidences like this intimidate" we still must remember that "words matter."

[Updated at 8:00 a.m.] Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, whose department is working on the case, said they have evidence showing Jared Lee Loughner "specifically targeted the congresswoman."

[Updated at 7:40 a.m.] Arizona State Representative Steve Farley talked to CNN about Gabrielle Giffords and her family who he described as remaining 'strong' and 'optimistic.'

[Updated 4:50 a.m.] Astronaut Mark Kelly, Giffords' husband, released his first public statement since the weekend shooting rampage outside an Arizona supermarket that left his wife critically injured. He thanked supporters, expressed
condolences to families of other victims and suggested that well-wishers make donations to Tucson's Community Food Bank and the American Red Cross. "Many of you have offered help. There is little that we can do but pray for those who are struggling," he said.

[Updated Monday at 2:12 a.m.] Suspect Jared Lee Loughner is scheduled to make an initial appearance before a federal magistrate in Phoenix, Arizona, Monday at 2 p.m. (4 p.m. ET),  prosecutors said.

[Updated 9:45 p.m.] Suspect Jared Lee Loughner tried to buy ammunition at a Wal-Mart a few weeks back but was turned down because of his behavior, a law enforcement source said. He then successfully bought it at a different Wal-Mart, according to the source.

[Updated 9:16 p.m.] A woman credited with wrestling an ammunition magazine from the suspect says she didn't have time to think about what she was doing. "(The suspect) pulled the magazine out of his pants pocket and it dropped onto the sidewalk. And before he could reach it, I got it," Patricia Maisch said.

[Updated 7:49 p.m.] Suspect Jared Lee Loughner was rejected by the Army for military service after failing a drug test in 2008, according to an administration official.

[Updated 7:43 p.m.] The U.S. Supreme Court says it will observe the moment of silence that President Barack Obama called for at 11 a.m. ET Monday. To accommodate this, the court will convene 10 minutes early, at 9:50 a.m. ET, so that the day's first argument before the court will be completed by 11 a.m.

[Updated 7:36 p.m.] House Democrats and Republicans participated in a rare bipartisan conference call Sunday to discuss the condition of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords as well as security concerns for members of Congress.

[Updated 6:33 p.m.] According to a federal agent's affidavit, U.S. District Judge John Roll, who was killed in the shooting, came to the Tucson from Phoenix to discuss the volume of federal cases in Arizona with Giffords.

[Updated 6:28 p.m.] The FBI has confirmed that investigators have found, questioned and cleared a man they had sought as a "person of interest" after the killings. The man was cab driver who dropped suspect Jared Lee Loughner off at the Safeway where Giffords' "Congress on Your Corner" event was being held, a law enforcement official previously said.

[Updated 6:24 p.m.] Veteran federal public defender Judy Clarke, who has experience in several high-profile cases including those of "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski and convicted terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui, was appointed to defend suspect Jared Lee Loughner, a federal judicial source said.

[Updated 6:01 p.m.] Calls to 911 following Saturday's shooting - released Sunday by the Pima County Sheriff's Office - paint a patchy picture of the scene.

[Updated 4:56 p.m.] Investigators found papers bearing the words "my assassination" and "Giffords" in a safe in the home of shooting suspect Jared Lee Loughner, according to a complaint filed against him in federal court.

[Updated 3:56 p.m.] U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords is the only person wounded in Saturday's shooting who is still in critical condition, doctors at University Medical Center in Tucson said. Three are in serious condition, six are in fair condition, and one has been released, they said.

- Officers of the Arizona Anti-Defamation League issued a statement condemning the attack: "During her years in the statehouse, Rep. Giffords served on the ADL Arizona Regional Board. Her affiliation with ADL, which monitors and exposes hate and extremist groups, contributed to her awareness of the nexus between hate ideology and violence. It is a testament to her dedication to her constituents that despite past threats against her, Rep. Giffords has always been so accessible to the people she represents.  Our thoughts and prayers are with Congresswoman Giffords and the other victims and their families."

[Updated 3:33 p.m.] Investigators have identified and ruled out the "person of interest" they were seeking in connection with the shooting, a law enforcement official said Sunday.

[Updated 3:30 p.m.] Federal authorities have charged Jared Lee Loughner, the 22-year-old suspect in Saturday's Arizona massacre, with first-degree murder, attempted murder and attempting to kill a member of Congress, according to court documents. Read the charges here.

[Updated at 3:25 p.m.] President Barack Obama called for a moment of silence to be held at 11 a.m. ET Monday and ordered flags to be flown at half-staff.

"I call on Americans to observe a moment of silence to honor the innocent victims of the senseless tragedy in Tucson, Arizona, including those still fighting for their lives," the president said in a news release. "It will be a time for us to come together as a nation in prayer or reflection, keeping the victims and their families closely at heart."

[Updated at 2:21 p.m. ET] Law enforcement investigators were speaking with a second person in the Arizona  Safeway shootings case, a law enforcement official told CNN. It is not clear whether this individual is the same person police had sought via the release of a surveillance image from overnight. It is also unknown at this time what connection this individual may have to the investigation.

[Updated at 1:38 p.m. ET] A dark-haired man seen in a picture distributed by authorities apparently "may not have been involved at all, but we still need to verify that," Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said Sunday.

[Updated at 1:18 p.m. ET] Precautions are in place to ensure the security of public officials after the shooting of an Arizona congresswoman, although authorities are aware of no specific threat against them, FBI Director Robert Mueller told reporters Sunday.

[Updated at 1:12 p.m. ET] The suspect in the Saturday shootings of 20 people at a Tucson, Arizona, grocery store is in federal custody, FBI Director Robert Mueller told reporters. Formal charges are expected against Jared Lee Loughner Sunday afternoon, he said.

[Updated at 12:13 p.m. ET] U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona is "able to communicate" with people, and the gunshot wound she sustained Saturday did not cross from one hemisphere of the brain to the other, doctors at Tucson's University Medical Center said Sunday.

[Updated at 12:00 p.m. ET] President Obama spoke by phone late Saturday to Mark Kelly, the husband of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, who was critically injured in a mass shooting, a senior White House official said. The official told CNN that Obama "expressed his deep concern and full support" for the family in the wake of the tragedy.

[Updated at 8:49 a.m. ET] House Speaker John Boehner has asked that flags on the House side of the Capitol be flown at half-staff in the wake of the shooting in Arizona, marking the death of Gabe Zimmerman, who was Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' director of community outreach.  "An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve," Boehner said Sunday.  "Such acts of violence have no place in our society. These tragic events remind us that all of us, in our roles in service to our fellow citizens, comes with a risk. This inhuman act should not and will not deter us from our calling to represent our constituents and to fulfill our oaths of office. No act, no matter how heinous, must be allowed to stop us from our duty," Boehner said.

- Authorities executed search warrants late Saturday night on a car and a residence where suspect Jared Lee Loughner  lived with his parents, a law enforcement source said.

- The law enforcement source said that Loughner's parents appeared to be cooperating with authorities, but the source did not know to what extent.

- Loughner, however, was still not cooperating. He had earlier invoked his right against self-incrimination.

- The sheriff's office said early Sunday that the correct name of one of the victims who died in the shooting is Dorothy Morris.

- The Pima County Sheriff's Department is expected to hold another news conference at 11 a.m. Sunday (1 p.m. ET).

- The University Medical Center in Tucson will offer a patient condition update at 10 a.m. Sunday (12 p.m. ET).

- As of 3:45 a.m. Sunday, Giffords remained in critical condition, said Darci Slaten, spokeswoman for the medical center. Of the nine other shooting victims taken to that hospital, four others were in critical condition and five were in serious condition.

- Early Sunday morning, the sheriff's office released a surveillance camera photo of a male between 40 and 50 years old who is "possibly associated with the suspect." The dark-haired man was last seen wearing blue jeans and a dark blue jacket, and was seen at the location where the shooting occurred.

- At 2 p.m. Sunday, a caucus conference call has been scheduled for House Democrats and their spouses to get an update on the shooting, two congressional sources said.

- At 8:30 a.m., Speaker of the House John Boehner will address the media in West Chester, Ohio, about the shooting.


- Congresswoman Giffords was taking part in a meet-and-greet with constituents called "Congress on Your Corner" outside a Safeway grocery store in Tucson.

- Before the event, she tweeted: "My 1st Congress on Your Corner starts now. Please stop by to let me know what is on your mind or tweet me later."

- The attack happened about 10 minutes into the event.

- Giffords did not have any security with her, said staffer Mark Kimble. "She wants to be as accessible to the people who elected her as possible," he said.

- Dr. Steven Rayle was about 10 feet away from Giffords when the gunman shot the congresswoman. "He continued to fire, sort of rapidly, really at point-blank range," he said, adding that the man was shooting indiscriminately.

- The suspect was tackled to the ground by two men while he was trying to reload, another witness said.

- The gun, which another bystander had wrestled from the gunman, was empty and cocked open. Federal and state law enforcement sources described it as a 9mm Glock outfitted with an extended magazine.

- The shooter had another magazine at the ready, according to Joe Zamudio, who said he was one of the bystanders who pinned the gunman to the ground until police showed up.

- Hearing the shooting, Daniel Hernandez, a trained nurse and a Giffords intern, rushed to see what happened and used his medical training to "apply pressure to the wound and keep her active and alert," said Arizona state Rep. Steve Farley. Hernandez was Farley's former campaign manager.


- Officials have not stated a motive for the shooting. The suspect was not talking and had invoked his right against self-incrimination, said Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik.

- At the direction of President Barack Obama, FBI Director Robert Mueller was headed to Arizona to help coordinate the investigation. The FBI is working jointly with local law enforcement. The U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Arizona said it has about a dozen people working on the investigation.

- The suspect was in federal custody early Sunday morning, said Jason Ogan, spokesman for the Pima County Sheriff's Department. As such, the suspect will not face a first appearance in court Sunday, Ogan said.

- Authorities released a photo of a male between 40 and 50 years old who is "possibly associated with the suspect." The dark-haired man was last seen wearing blue jeans and a dark blue jacket, and was seen at the location where the shooting occurred.

- Authorities did not know whether the person they sought actually had any connection with Jared Lee Loughner, a law enforcement source told CNN. Authorities have a piece of evidence that indicates this second individual was in close proximity to the store, the source said, but declined to elaborate.

- That source also said authorities were seeking search warrants for a residence and for a vehicle in connection with the suspect in custody.

- A law enforcement source familiar with the investigation said the Glock used in the shootings was purchased legally, but did not have the details when or where it was bought. The extended magazine used in the shooting was likely purchased separately and at a different time, the source said. The official said such a magazine does not automatically come with a weapons purchase and it would be extremely rare for them to be sold together in one purchase.


- Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, 40, was shot in the head and underwent surgery Saturday. Doctors were optimistic of her chances of surviving. "I'm about as optimistic as it can get in this situation," Dr. Peter Rhee of the University Medical Center said Saturday afternoon. He said the next 24 hours will be key for determining the extent of her recovery.

- First elected in 2006, Giffords is serving her third term in Congress.

- She narrowly beat Tea Party-backed Republican Jesse Kelly in the November midterm elections, garnering 49% to the latter's 47% of the votes.

- Known as a "Blue Dog," or moderate, Democrat, Giffords was a key swing vote in last year's health care reform debate. She didn't make up her mind to vote for the legislation until the final days before the ultimate passing vote.

- She is married to NASA astronaut Mark Kelly, a Navy captain who is scheduled to fly the April space shuttle mission to the international space station. She is the only U.S. representative with an active duty military spouse, according to her website.

- She has no children but is stepmother to Kelly's two children, said Sylvia Lee, president of Pima County Community College in Tucson.

- She had received threats in the past, Lee said. A glass panel at her Tucson office was shattered the day after the health care reform vote last year. Staffers suspected someone shot a pellet gun at the glass. At a town hall meeting, a gun fell out of a constituent's pocket. But Giffords' press secretary, C.J. Karamargin, said he was unaware of any recent threats against Giffords.

- She generally voted with her party, but voted against the auto bailout bill and was one of 19 Democrats to vote against former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's bid to become the Democrats' minority leader after the midterm elections returned Republicans to power in the House.

- She holds a master's degree in regional planning from Cornell University and a B.A. from Scripps College, where she was awarded a William Fulbright Scholarship to study for a year in Chihuahua, Mexico.

- Before embarking on a political career, she worked for Price Waterhouse Coopers and served as chief executive officer and president of El Campo Tire, her family's business.

- She then served in the Arizona Legislature from 2000 to 2005, where she was the youngest woman elected to the Arizona state Senate.


- The suspect in the shooting is Jared Lee Loughner, a 22-year-old former community college student, according to an Arizona law enforcement source and a U.S. law enforcement source.

- He railed against government "mind control" and illiteracy in online missives and had "kind of a troubled past," said Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik.

- He also had brushes with the law, the sheriff said without elaborating. "We understand that there have been law enforcement contacts with the individual where he made threats." Court records indicate he had been arrested for possession of drug paraphernalia in 2007, but the charge was dismissed.

- Loughner dropped out of high school in 2006, after his junior year, said Tamara Crawley, a spokeswoman for the Marana United School District in suburban Tucson.

- In 2008, he tried to enlist in the U.S. Army. The Army rejected him, and privacy laws keep the military from disclosing the reason, the service said in a statement to CNN.

- He enrolled at Aztec Middle College, a partnership between Tucson schools and Pima Community College that helps high school dropouts transition to community colleges, the community college President Sylvia Lee told CNN.

- He took classes at the college from 2005 until October 2010, but withdrew after five contacts with police "for classroom and library disruptions" at two campuses between February and September, the school said.

- Loughner was suspended after authorities found a YouTube video in which he called the school "illegal according to the U.S. Constitution, and makes other claims," a college statement said. He quit during an October 4 meeting with his parents and school administrators, and a follow-up letter warned that to return, he had to present a doctor's note stating that "his presence at the College does not present a danger to himself or others."

- On his YouTube page, a list of his favorite books included both Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf" and Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels' "The Communist Manifesto," along with works by George Orwell, Ray Bradbury, Ken Kesey, Herman Hesse, Ernest Hemingway, Plato and Aesop's fables.

- "Good-bye friends," read a Saturday morning posting on Loughner's MySpace page, just hours before the shooting. "Dear friends ... Please don't be mad at me. The literacy rate is below 5%. I haven't talked to one person who is literate."

- A December 30 posting read, "Dear Reader ... I'm searching. Today! With every concern, my shot is now ready for aim. The hunt, a mighty thought of mine."

- Online, Loughner complained about the "second Constitution," a term legal scholars sometimes use to describe the post-Civil War amendments that ended slavery, extended the right to vote and required equal protection under the law. Its meaning to Loughner could not be clearly discerned.

- In an apparent reference to Giffords' congressional district, he wrote in a December 15 video message on YouTube: "The majority of people, who reside in District-8 are illiterate - hilarious."

- In the same message he wrote: "If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon. I define terrorist."


In addition to the 12 people wounded in the shooting, the following six were killed:

- John Roll, 63. A native of Pennsylvania, Roll was a federal judge for the U.S. District Court for the District of Arizona who had served the legal system for nearly 40 years. He began his career as a bailiff in Pima County Superior Court and rose to be chief judge for the District of Arizona, a position he held since 2006.

He received death threats two years ago after he ruled that a $32 million civil-rights lawsuit filed by illegal immigrants against a rancher in the state could proceed. He had been assigned to hear the ethnic studies ban case out of Tucson that involves a new law banning certain ethnic studies programs in public schools, according to the lead attorney on the case, Richard Martinez. Chief Justice of the United States John Roberts called Roll's death a tragic loss.

- Christina Taylor Greene, 9. She was born on September 11, 2001, according to CNN affiliate KVOA. Family members described her as "excited" about the political process, and said the desire to learn more about it had motivated her to go to the Gifford event, the affiliate said. Christina had just been elected to the student council at her school, the Arizona Republic reported. She died at a hospital, and not at the scene like the other five.

- Gabe Zimmerman, 30. A Tucson native who was engaged to be married, Zimmerman was the director of community outreach for the congresswoman.

- Dorwin Stoddard, 76. Dory, as his family calls him, was a retired construction worker, said Pastor Mike Nowak at Mount Avenue Church of Christ in Tucson. Witnesses told CNN that Stoddard tried to shield his wife, Mavy, was shot in the head and fell on her. The wife was shot three times in her legs; the bullets were removed and she is expected to make a full recovery.

- Dorothy Morris, 76

- Phyllis Scheck, 79


- Following the shootings, all legislation on the House schedule for the coming week was postponed, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor said. The decision was made by leaders of both parties and means the House will not vote next week on the repeal of health care reform.

- Although U.S. Capitol Police said there was no evidence of a broader threat involving federal officials, it has advised other members of Congress to take "reasonable and prudent precautions regarding their personal safety and security." The House sergeant at arms also said "it is essential" that lawmakers contact local police to register their home and office addresses.

- Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villasenor said his department had secured the homes and offices of some unnamed federal officials as a "precautionary measure."

- Rep. Chellie Pingree, D-Maine, said an incident like this could have a chilling effect on the frequent weekend listening sessions that many members of Congress have with their constituents.

- In Tucson, supporters gathered outside the University Medical Center, keeping vigil as family members waited with wounded loved ones inside. On the other side of the country, dozens of marchers braved subfreezing temperatures and gusty winds to gather on Capitol Hill for a candlelight vigil Saturday night.


- President Barack Obama: "We do not yet have all the answers. What we do know is that such a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society."

- Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer: "I am just heartbroken. Gabby is more than just a colleague, she is my friend. She has always been a noble public servant."

- John Roberts, chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, on the death of one of the victims, Judge U.S. District Judge John Roll: "Chief Judge Roll's death is a somber reminder of the importance of the rule of law and the sacrifices of those who work to secure it."

- U.S. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi: "Congresswoman Giffords is a brilliant and courageous member of Congress, bringing to Washington the views of a new generation of national leaders. It is especially tragic that she was attacked as she was meeting with her constituents whom she serves with such dedication and distinction."

- House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio: "An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve. Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society."

- U.S. Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona: "I am horrified by the violent attack on Representative Gabrielle Giffords and many other innocent people by a wicked person who has no sense of justice or compassion.  ... Whoever did this, whatever their reason, they are a disgrace to Arizona, this country and the human race, and they deserve and will receive the contempt of all decent people and the strongest punishment of the law."

- Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin: "There is no place in our society or discourse for such senseless and unconscionable acts of violence."


- Officials have not stated a motive for the shooting.

- Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik used a nationally televised press conference to condemn the tone of political discourse in his state. He charged that public debate is now "vitriolic rhetoric," which has rendered Arizona "the mecca for prejudice and bigotry." Dupnik suggested that such rhetoric can have deadly consequences.

- Last March, Giffords raised concerns about inflammatory rhetoric after her office was vandalized, and she cited how her name appeared on a website titled "Take back the 20" as part of a list originally issued by former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin in March 2010 against vulnerable House Democrats.

- The list, which named 20 House members who voted for health care reform, showed crosshairs over the contested Democratic districts.

- At the time, Giffords responded to the map by saying on MSNBC that her long-serving colleagues had "never seen anything like it." "The thing is, the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district," Giffords said in March. "When people do that, they've got to realize there's consequences to that action."

- A day after Giffords voted in favor of health care reform, a glass panel at her Tucson office was shattered.

- At a town hall meeting, a gun fell out of a constituent's pocket.

- Giffords' press secretary, C.J. Karamargin, said he was unaware of any recent threats against Giffords.

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  1. Hillary

    Attempts to link this recent shooting to any political rhetoric is utterly irresponsible. It reflects a level of paranoia and muddled thinking like that which leads to conspriracy theories. If you can convince yourself that that preventing a politician from using a word like 'reload' would have saved the life of a nine year-old girl, you can convince yourself of anything and justify almost any oppression. It is these alarmists, who are quick to create any fiction to try and link an atrocrity to their political opponents, that should concern us most.

    January 10, 2011 at 7:58 pm | Report abuse |
  2. VintageHippie

    I would think that the only safe place with good, strict gun laws these days is Mexico. It is very difficult to buy a gun there.

    January 10, 2011 at 8:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Liberty

      Why dont you move their?

      January 10, 2011 at 9:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sarah

      I know what you talking about. In Taiwan your gun is with the police. If you want to go hunting, you go to the police station, take your gun, and then you report back with your gun and deposit with the police once more. Taipei, with 6 million people, is one of the safest in the world - and it is because of the strict gun laws and access to guns.

      January 10, 2011 at 9:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lol

      Guns do NOT kill people. People kill people. A gun is a tool. Just like a hammer, a knife, a bow and arrow, etc. Keep that fact very clear. Also keep in mind that honest, law abiding citizens would be the people most affected by gun control or a gun ban. A criminal or someone with the intent to harm another is not going to give up their firearms.

      January 10, 2011 at 9:57 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Jimmy

    (Jim Brieske) "The Republicans have all the power. They have me." LOL Jimbo do really feel this way? Are you one of those European Immigrants that think your greater than somone else, becuz you came out of a P#%y in Detriot? wow you are a moron, Jim Brieske, I just looked up your last name and the meaning is "Coward"

    January 10, 2011 at 8:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • A. R. Davidson


      January 11, 2011 at 3:52 pm | Report abuse |
  4. RightonTheMoney

    [“Weapons don’t kill people, it’s the individual that kills people,” Rand Paul, a Republican senator from Kentucky, said in the wake of the Tucson massacre.]

    GOD you Americans baffle me. In every sense of the word.

    "Guns don't kill people, people kill people."

    A statement like that skews basic logic.

    Where did the fatal wound come from?
    Where did the bullet come from?

    Guns kill people.
    You shouldn't be able to buy them in the store.
    And don't be so surprised when stuff like this happens, or when you hear of how ANY gun violence. Around 4-5 million firearms are produced in the US every year.
    NO LAWS can stop those kind of production numbers.
    get a grip. stuff like this is going to keep happening every year as it has been for the past 20.

    January 10, 2011 at 8:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • VintageHippie

      As I understand it you can't buy guns in a Mexican store, but Switzerland issues military grade arms to it's citizens. Have you thought about possibly moving to Juarez where you would be safe?

      January 10, 2011 at 8:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • jr

      Mr Non-American...

      I live in a rural area of Virginia where 90% of the people own a gun. 90%!

      Guess what our crime rate is?


      You have to travel 30 min. to liberal Charlottesville, before the crime rate sky rockets.....

      Why is it that we have such a low crime rate?

      It is not becasue there is no wealth in our area, since Aklbemarle county has 3 official Billionares and one un-offical Billionaire. There is an enourmous amount of wealth in our county, 2nd richest in Va.

      Because Criminals KNOW everyone where I live owns a gun, so they dont bother coming here to committ crime. PERIOD!

      Liberal Politicians and "Journ0-LISTs" are so hypocritical against conservatives, trying to blame Sarah Palin or Rush Limbah for this :Nut Case" murder, tried to do the same thing when TImmothy McVee blew up the Fred Building.

      It did not work then and it is not working now.

      Sarah Palin, whom I do not support, must scare the sh_t out of you liberals, since you are trying so desperately to damage her at every turn. Personally, I think taking over Oparahs spot would do the most damage to liberals, even over getting elected President.

      Is it becasue she became successful without relying on government? Is it because she is pretty, the exact opposite of the avg. butch face of the Obama administration?

      You liberals are the most hypicritical clowns that have ever controlled the Democratic party.

      No wonder you are loosing mainstream Americans in droves!

      I bet CNN will not show this any of thier shows!


      January 10, 2011 at 9:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Matt

      Which is why taking gun rights away from the american people would only put us in greater danger. There will always be guns, and the republican senator was correct; its the person that kills, not the bullet. The bullet wouldn't fire without the person. Guns are always going to exist, and even if they are made illegal in the US it won't prevent people from getting them and using them for harmful purposes.

      January 10, 2011 at 9:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Liberty

      People Have been killing people long before their were guns, and when they take away all the guns people will still be killing people, it is a human condition.

      January 10, 2011 at 9:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jim Davis

      @Righonthemoney. As a NON-AMERICAN, why don't you just butt- out. You wouldn't understand. Our Country was BUILT on PERSONAL FREEDOM, a concept you apparently don't get. We have the RIGHT to defend and protect our people here.

      January 11, 2011 at 4:10 am | Report abuse |
  5. Helen White

    Sarah Palin, attaction "Sara Palin said "Don't retreat, reload" she had a bullseye on this congressperson's picture on her website. Who can seriously argue that this is not criminal instigation??

    Hearing the right-wingers say this massacre is not the Tea Party or conservatism is like hearing Muslims say 9/11 is not Islam. It turns my stomach. Agreed

    January 10, 2011 at 8:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • hockeymom

      This guy (self-admittedly) enjoyed burning the flag and reading the Communist Manifesto, and he was an atheist. Former classmates of his said he was liberal in his political views. I don't know too many Tea Party members or conservatives who like to burn our flag, deny God exists, and support communism. Plus, Giffords was a "Blue Dog" democrat, not some extreme liberal democrat like Nancy Pelosi. If Loughner was some big right-winger, why would he go after someone who was more conservative? As much as you hate to admit it, the bottom line is that this guy is just a plain nut job, with no evident political affiliation, and especially NOT to the Tea Party. Furthermore, you cannot merely arrest someone for being "weird" which is all anyone knew for certain about this person. Sadly and unfortunately, those who are mentally ill often have more rights than the general public, thanks to civil rights groups. My husband works in law enforcement, and I work in the educational/psych field, so we know first hand how frustrating and dangerous these situations can be.

      January 10, 2011 at 9:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • tfrensley

      lest we forget julius striecher of nazi germany. he was only a newspaper editor who never personally killed a jew, pole, gypsy nor any one else with his own hand. all he did was write editorials. after nuremberg we straightened him out when we hanged him. it was not him that killed, but it was only his editorials that murdered the masses. we have people now who claim that had nothing to do with this violent atrocity. it was only their words that caused it.

      January 10, 2011 at 9:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Karen

      I guess you can't comprehend what the news has been saying!!!

      January 11, 2011 at 12:28 am | Report abuse |
    • Frank

      As more comes out about the perpetrator's political views, I think it would be common sense to infer that he was not a fan or even a regular viewer of the pundits on the "right". I would bet he never visited Sara Palin's site or listened to Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity or the like. He was a leftist...a FAR leftist who had a "bone to pick" with Mrs. Giffords traceable to 2007. Is it hard to imagine that the "trigger" was her re-election?

      January 12, 2011 at 2:10 am | Report abuse |
  6. Mike

    Just a scenario so if any lawyers out there give me an opinion. I preach in front of a bunch of nut cases that my ex-wife is posioning the world, I hand out maps with crosshairs on it that show where she lives and works and tell the people that she needs to be taken out. to my surprise someone shoots her in the head. The question is am I in the clear? If so then this is the perfect murder.

    January 10, 2011 at 8:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • il attorney

      It's not the perfect crime. Its just crime. Most states criminalize enciting or encourageing violent acts, allowing the encourager to be held as if he did the act himself. However, specific to your scenario, I suggest everything is defensible except the "and tell people she needs to be taken out". That fact should be enough to convict.

      January 10, 2011 at 11:52 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Helen White

    Hey Joel Bigmouth, Ever seen Srah Palin's ('don't retreat-reload") map. Take some time to educate yourself on something other than faux news. Orally is just his name, not what you are hoping for. The baggers were a concoction of faux news for the uneducated among us. The sheeple will always follow a bombastic leader (see Hitler 1940's) Notice many similarities or are you too stupid to catch it,.You sir are a moron Great point, I see Sarah as the famale Hitler she is extremely evil and violent, a vote for her is a vote for KKK Nazi. She is American nightmare.

    January 10, 2011 at 8:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Matt

      What drugs have you been taking? She is extremely violent? She is a female Hitler?

      Actually she's a down to earth human being, that liberals, like yourself obviously, choose to bash for fear of your personal beliefs. I think it should be noted you might be basing your statement on race discrimination, as your statement sounded like a 'taught' english, as a second language, in other words. I've never heard her say anything that condones violence (shooting an animal isn't violent or cruel, unless you make it suffer, which she chooses not to), or anything that can be equated to the horrible Adolf Hitler. You, dear, need to see a psychologist, because your statements are clearly derived from extreme and unnecessary fear.

      January 10, 2011 at 8:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • jr

      "the baggers were started by faux news"

      For the record, since you seem to be clueless to the facts, Rick Santelli, financial guy for CNBC, a divison of NBC, is credited with starting the Tea Party movement, when he asked President Obama, "Will it take another TEA PARTY event, like the one in 1774, before you Mr. President listen to the AMerican people?

      It may make you feel better about yourself to make the claims you do, but they have no basis in fact.

      Your precious Liberal agenda, pumped up by the Liberal media, that got Obama elected, is rapidly falling apart before your eyes. Bshing Sarah Palin and Rush Limbah only cements the Gallop poll groups conclusions that 15%of Democrats
      have mental health issues as compared to 8% of Republicans.

      Unlike you, I present facts to back up my argument.

      Gallop is not a right wing org.

      Could it be that since %15 of the Democrats have mental health issues and 21% of the Democratic party are identified as Far Left, could that mean that the majority of the Far Left Liverals have mental health issues?


      January 10, 2011 at 9:20 pm | Report abuse |
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  8. Donald in CA

    John McCain should bare some responsibility for inciting the crazies. He let the far right push palin on him and the rest is history. He went from a respected politician and war hero to a joke. Lets admit it, big business, limbaugh, beck seem to be running the country.

    January 10, 2011 at 8:19 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Tom

    When you appoint Liberal Socialist judges, tie the hands of the police, FBI, CIA and FEMA this is what you get. Beheadings in Arizona and elsewhere by illegals aloud to run back and forth across the border selling drugs and humans being ignored because the Liberal Socialist Democrats want their votes of their nationality is wrong. Mad Man Military officer goes on killing spree. The muslim killed more but yet the Liberal Socialist ignore it. All the signs were there but due to liberal socialist policies did not arrest him or even monitor him. Instead he is left to kill. Sound familiar

    January 10, 2011 at 8:20 pm | Report abuse |
  10. john la rue

    98% of the guns found in violent crimes in our neighbor to the south, Mexico come from the US. Mental health isn't dealt with till it goes to crises stage in our country. Ask mental health professionals you know they're doing their best in a broken system. Put these two together, add crosshairs and lock and load and it adds up. Lets work on these three problems. Now back up north to our other neighbor. Like Mexico they have tough gun laws and very few gun related deaths comparing similar-sized Canada and the US. thank God we may not have the best healthcare system but especially now we are glad we have possibly the best emergency healthcare system in the World.

    January 10, 2011 at 8:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Darryl

      98% of guns in Mexico come from the U.S...not true. The truth is that most guns involved in crime in Mexico THAT THEY CAN TRACE TO A SPECIFIC COUNTRY come from the U.S. The U.S. is nearly the only country that requires traceability information be engraved on the weapon. The truth is most weapons in Mexico can't be traced to ANY country, and that's usually because they didn't come from the U.S. The number of weapons coming from the U.S. is likely a majority, but a slim one like 55%. It's nothing near 98%. That misleading statistic gets thrown around over and over but really ought to be thrown out.

      But it's kind of beside the point. The United States is too violent a place. I completely agree. But despite stricter laws, Mexico is more violent than the U.S. It's much more a cultural issue than a legal issue. Changing the law will prevent very few deaths as long as anger and selfishness are ingrained into so many segments of our society.

      January 11, 2011 at 2:42 am | Report abuse |
  11. The Left Should Bear Responsibility

    When you appoint Liberal Socialist judges, tie the hands of the police, FBI, CIA and FEMA this is what you get. Beheadings in Arizona and elsewhere by illegals aloud to run back and forth across the border selling drugs and humans being ignored because the Liberal Socialist Democrats want their votes of their nationality is wrong. Mad Man Military officer goes on killing spree. The muslim killed more but yet the Liberal Socialist ignore it. All the signs were there but due to liberal socialist policies did not arrest him or even monitor him. Instead he is left to kill. Sound familiar

    When you appoint Liberal Socialist judges, tie the hands of the police, FBI, CIA and FEMA this is what you get. Beheadings in Arizona and elsewhere by illegals aloud to run back and forth across the border selling drugs and humans being ignored because the Liberal Socialist Democrats want their votes of their nationality is wrong. Mad Man Military officer goes on killing spree. The muslim killed more but yet the Liberal Socialist ignore it. All the signs were there but due to liberal socialist policies did not arrest him or even monitor him. Instead he is left to kill. Sound familiar

    January 10, 2011 at 8:22 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Dr. A. Cannara

    Until yesterday, without even knowing of her "crosshairs" website, the vast majority of Americans felt Palin unfit to be a presidential candidate. Now, the rest of us may understand too.

    January 10, 2011 at 8:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • A. R. Davidson

      Amen!!! Anybody who has identified Africa as a country is too ignorant to be my president.

      January 11, 2011 at 3:57 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Louis

    Ayres connection is absurd! You must be drinking the Beck and Rush cool aide, and you know what happens when you drink the cool aide!!! I was looking to see if beck would change his soon, but of course he had to take it up a notch. He also had the gull to defend Palin on his radio show. He is a sell out! I wonder how much money changes hand when they back each other.

    January 10, 2011 at 8:33 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Awake

    It is just as plausible that this deranged individual was influenced by President Obama asserting that he has the right to assassinate citizens without any due process as he was by someone like Palin using inflamatory language.

    January 10, 2011 at 8:38 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Louis

    Why must you continue to post the same statement the left should.. Are you working for the right? Are they paying you? Looser! I'm a dem but not as liberal as you stereo type me in that category. I carry a gun, and don't smoke pot! You see, I'm not far from were you stand. Policy shouldn't equal hate!

    January 10, 2011 at 8:43 pm | Report abuse |
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