Arizona shooting: Latest developments
A makeshift memorial outside U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' District Office.
January 10th, 2011
08:21 PM ET

Arizona shooting: Latest developments

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Six people were killed and 14 others wounded, including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, when a gunman opened fire in front of a Safeway supermarket in Tucson, Arizona, authorities said. The congresswoman had been hosting a meeting with constituents Saturday morning when the attack began.

Here are the latest developments as confirmed by CNN:

[Updated at 8:19 p.m.] President Barack Obama will travel to Tucson on Wednesday, and likely will attend a memorial service and visit with the relatives of the shooting victims, many of whom he already has spoken to by phone, two senior administration officials tell CNN.

[Updated at 4:33 p.m.] Suspect Jared Lee Loughner has made a 15-minute initial appearance in a federal court in Phoenix. A judge asked Loughner whether he understood the charges - attempted assassination of a member of Congress; two counts of murder for the deaths of Judge John Roll and Gabriel Zimmerman; and two counts of attempted murder. Loughner replied that he understood.

A preliminary hearing is scheduled for January 24.

[Updated at 2:23 p.m.] Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Arizona, sent an email the night before she was shot at an event in Tucson calling for a more civil tone in politics.

Giffords offered congratulations to Kentucky Secretary of State Trey Grayson, a Republican, after he was named Director of Harvard University's Institute of Politics on Friday.

"After you get settled, I would love to talk about what we can do to promote centrism and moderation," Giffords wrote in the email, provided to CNN by Grayson. "I am one of only 12 Dems left in a GOP district (the only woman) and think that we need to figure out how to tone our rhetoric and partisanship down."

[Updated at 12:43 p.m.] Former Cuban leader Fidel Castro weighed in on the Arizona mass shooting that killed six and injured 14, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, in a column distributed Monday.

[Updated at 12:15 p.m.] Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords remains in critical condition but her condition has stabilized, doctors at Tucson's University Medical Center indicated Monday.

"We're not out of the woods yet" but are optimistic about her prospects of recovery, said Dr. Michael Lemole, chief of neurosurgery.

[Updated at 12:03 p.m.] Two patients from Saturday's shooting have been discharged and only two remain in intensive care, the chief of the department of surgery at Tucson's University Medical Center announced Monday.

Eight patients remain at Tucson's University Medical Center, Chief of Emergency Medicine Peter Rhee announced Monday. Five are in serious condition, two are in good condition, and one is in critical condition, Rhee said.

[Updated at 11:01 a.m.] President Barack Obama led the nation in a moment of silence Monday for victims of the weekend massacre in Tucson, Arizona.

[Updated at 9:47 a.m.] Judge John Roll,  one of the victims in the Arizona shooting, will leave behind a legacy as a man who put excellent attention into every component of his life, his former clerk spoke told CNN's T.J. Holmes.

[Updated at 9:15 a.m.] Dr. Steven Rayle, helped hold the Arizona gunman down and Patricia Maisch, grabbed the magazine cartridge after suspect Jared Lee Loughner allegedly opened fire in a Safeway in Tuscon, Arizona.

"You just react," Maisch told CNN about approaching the gunman. "You just do it."

[Updated at 9:01 a.m.] The University Medical Center in Tucson is expected to give an updated diagnosis on Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords condition later Monday morning after she was shot in the head.

Chief of neurosurgery at the hospital, Dr. Michael Lemole, told CNN that Rep. Giffords is 'holding her own' and that no change in her condition is a good thing.

[Updated at 8:49 a.m.] Ben McGahee, Jared Lee Loughner's former teacher at Pima Community College told CNN he believed suspect Jared Lee Loughner was a troubled man and that he was "scared of what he could do.'

[Updated at 8:34 a.m.] While the motivation for Saturday's attack in Tucson, Arizona are still unclear, a concern in Washington and in the nation at large is whether or not the current political rhetoric has gotten out of control.

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz warns that while "we cannot allow incidences like this intimidate" we still must remember that "words matter."

[Updated at 8:00 a.m.] Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, whose department is working on the case, said they have evidence showing Jared Lee Loughner "specifically targeted the congresswoman."

[Updated at 7:40 a.m.] Arizona State Representative Steve Farley talked to CNN about Gabrielle Giffords and her family who he described as remaining 'strong' and 'optimistic.'

[Updated 4:50 a.m.] Astronaut Mark Kelly, Giffords' husband, released his first public statement since the weekend shooting rampage outside an Arizona supermarket that left his wife critically injured. He thanked supporters, expressed
condolences to families of other victims and suggested that well-wishers make donations to Tucson's Community Food Bank and the American Red Cross. "Many of you have offered help. There is little that we can do but pray for those who are struggling," he said.

[Updated Monday at 2:12 a.m.] Suspect Jared Lee Loughner is scheduled to make an initial appearance before a federal magistrate in Phoenix, Arizona, Monday at 2 p.m. (4 p.m. ET),  prosecutors said.

[Updated 9:45 p.m.] Suspect Jared Lee Loughner tried to buy ammunition at a Wal-Mart a few weeks back but was turned down because of his behavior, a law enforcement source said. He then successfully bought it at a different Wal-Mart, according to the source.

[Updated 9:16 p.m.] A woman credited with wrestling an ammunition magazine from the suspect says she didn't have time to think about what she was doing. "(The suspect) pulled the magazine out of his pants pocket and it dropped onto the sidewalk. And before he could reach it, I got it," Patricia Maisch said.

[Updated 7:49 p.m.] Suspect Jared Lee Loughner was rejected by the Army for military service after failing a drug test in 2008, according to an administration official.

[Updated 7:43 p.m.] The U.S. Supreme Court says it will observe the moment of silence that President Barack Obama called for at 11 a.m. ET Monday. To accommodate this, the court will convene 10 minutes early, at 9:50 a.m. ET, so that the day's first argument before the court will be completed by 11 a.m.

[Updated 7:36 p.m.] House Democrats and Republicans participated in a rare bipartisan conference call Sunday to discuss the condition of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords as well as security concerns for members of Congress.

[Updated 6:33 p.m.] According to a federal agent's affidavit, U.S. District Judge John Roll, who was killed in the shooting, came to the Tucson from Phoenix to discuss the volume of federal cases in Arizona with Giffords.

[Updated 6:28 p.m.] The FBI has confirmed that investigators have found, questioned and cleared a man they had sought as a "person of interest" after the killings. The man was cab driver who dropped suspect Jared Lee Loughner off at the Safeway where Giffords' "Congress on Your Corner" event was being held, a law enforcement official previously said.

[Updated 6:24 p.m.] Veteran federal public defender Judy Clarke, who has experience in several high-profile cases including those of "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski and convicted terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui, was appointed to defend suspect Jared Lee Loughner, a federal judicial source said.

[Updated 6:01 p.m.] Calls to 911 following Saturday's shooting - released Sunday by the Pima County Sheriff's Office - paint a patchy picture of the scene.

[Updated 4:56 p.m.] Investigators found papers bearing the words "my assassination" and "Giffords" in a safe in the home of shooting suspect Jared Lee Loughner, according to a complaint filed against him in federal court.

[Updated 3:56 p.m.] U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords is the only person wounded in Saturday's shooting who is still in critical condition, doctors at University Medical Center in Tucson said. Three are in serious condition, six are in fair condition, and one has been released, they said.

- Officers of the Arizona Anti-Defamation League issued a statement condemning the attack: "During her years in the statehouse, Rep. Giffords served on the ADL Arizona Regional Board. Her affiliation with ADL, which monitors and exposes hate and extremist groups, contributed to her awareness of the nexus between hate ideology and violence. It is a testament to her dedication to her constituents that despite past threats against her, Rep. Giffords has always been so accessible to the people she represents.  Our thoughts and prayers are with Congresswoman Giffords and the other victims and their families."

[Updated 3:33 p.m.] Investigators have identified and ruled out the "person of interest" they were seeking in connection with the shooting, a law enforcement official said Sunday.

[Updated 3:30 p.m.] Federal authorities have charged Jared Lee Loughner, the 22-year-old suspect in Saturday's Arizona massacre, with first-degree murder, attempted murder and attempting to kill a member of Congress, according to court documents. Read the charges here.

[Updated at 3:25 p.m.] President Barack Obama called for a moment of silence to be held at 11 a.m. ET Monday and ordered flags to be flown at half-staff.

"I call on Americans to observe a moment of silence to honor the innocent victims of the senseless tragedy in Tucson, Arizona, including those still fighting for their lives," the president said in a news release. "It will be a time for us to come together as a nation in prayer or reflection, keeping the victims and their families closely at heart."

[Updated at 2:21 p.m. ET] Law enforcement investigators were speaking with a second person in the Arizona  Safeway shootings case, a law enforcement official told CNN. It is not clear whether this individual is the same person police had sought via the release of a surveillance image from overnight. It is also unknown at this time what connection this individual may have to the investigation.

[Updated at 1:38 p.m. ET] A dark-haired man seen in a picture distributed by authorities apparently "may not have been involved at all, but we still need to verify that," Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said Sunday.

[Updated at 1:18 p.m. ET] Precautions are in place to ensure the security of public officials after the shooting of an Arizona congresswoman, although authorities are aware of no specific threat against them, FBI Director Robert Mueller told reporters Sunday.

[Updated at 1:12 p.m. ET] The suspect in the Saturday shootings of 20 people at a Tucson, Arizona, grocery store is in federal custody, FBI Director Robert Mueller told reporters. Formal charges are expected against Jared Lee Loughner Sunday afternoon, he said.

[Updated at 12:13 p.m. ET] U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona is "able to communicate" with people, and the gunshot wound she sustained Saturday did not cross from one hemisphere of the brain to the other, doctors at Tucson's University Medical Center said Sunday.

[Updated at 12:00 p.m. ET] President Obama spoke by phone late Saturday to Mark Kelly, the husband of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, who was critically injured in a mass shooting, a senior White House official said. The official told CNN that Obama "expressed his deep concern and full support" for the family in the wake of the tragedy.

[Updated at 8:49 a.m. ET] House Speaker John Boehner has asked that flags on the House side of the Capitol be flown at half-staff in the wake of the shooting in Arizona, marking the death of Gabe Zimmerman, who was Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' director of community outreach.  "An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve," Boehner said Sunday.  "Such acts of violence have no place in our society. These tragic events remind us that all of us, in our roles in service to our fellow citizens, comes with a risk. This inhuman act should not and will not deter us from our calling to represent our constituents and to fulfill our oaths of office. No act, no matter how heinous, must be allowed to stop us from our duty," Boehner said.

- Authorities executed search warrants late Saturday night on a car and a residence where suspect Jared Lee Loughner  lived with his parents, a law enforcement source said.

- The law enforcement source said that Loughner's parents appeared to be cooperating with authorities, but the source did not know to what extent.

- Loughner, however, was still not cooperating. He had earlier invoked his right against self-incrimination.

- The sheriff's office said early Sunday that the correct name of one of the victims who died in the shooting is Dorothy Morris.

- The Pima County Sheriff's Department is expected to hold another news conference at 11 a.m. Sunday (1 p.m. ET).

- The University Medical Center in Tucson will offer a patient condition update at 10 a.m. Sunday (12 p.m. ET).

- As of 3:45 a.m. Sunday, Giffords remained in critical condition, said Darci Slaten, spokeswoman for the medical center. Of the nine other shooting victims taken to that hospital, four others were in critical condition and five were in serious condition.

- Early Sunday morning, the sheriff's office released a surveillance camera photo of a male between 40 and 50 years old who is "possibly associated with the suspect." The dark-haired man was last seen wearing blue jeans and a dark blue jacket, and was seen at the location where the shooting occurred.

- At 2 p.m. Sunday, a caucus conference call has been scheduled for House Democrats and their spouses to get an update on the shooting, two congressional sources said.

- At 8:30 a.m., Speaker of the House John Boehner will address the media in West Chester, Ohio, about the shooting.


- Congresswoman Giffords was taking part in a meet-and-greet with constituents called "Congress on Your Corner" outside a Safeway grocery store in Tucson.

- Before the event, she tweeted: "My 1st Congress on Your Corner starts now. Please stop by to let me know what is on your mind or tweet me later."

- The attack happened about 10 minutes into the event.

- Giffords did not have any security with her, said staffer Mark Kimble. "She wants to be as accessible to the people who elected her as possible," he said.

- Dr. Steven Rayle was about 10 feet away from Giffords when the gunman shot the congresswoman. "He continued to fire, sort of rapidly, really at point-blank range," he said, adding that the man was shooting indiscriminately.

- The suspect was tackled to the ground by two men while he was trying to reload, another witness said.

- The gun, which another bystander had wrestled from the gunman, was empty and cocked open. Federal and state law enforcement sources described it as a 9mm Glock outfitted with an extended magazine.

- The shooter had another magazine at the ready, according to Joe Zamudio, who said he was one of the bystanders who pinned the gunman to the ground until police showed up.

- Hearing the shooting, Daniel Hernandez, a trained nurse and a Giffords intern, rushed to see what happened and used his medical training to "apply pressure to the wound and keep her active and alert," said Arizona state Rep. Steve Farley. Hernandez was Farley's former campaign manager.


- Officials have not stated a motive for the shooting. The suspect was not talking and had invoked his right against self-incrimination, said Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik.

- At the direction of President Barack Obama, FBI Director Robert Mueller was headed to Arizona to help coordinate the investigation. The FBI is working jointly with local law enforcement. The U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Arizona said it has about a dozen people working on the investigation.

- The suspect was in federal custody early Sunday morning, said Jason Ogan, spokesman for the Pima County Sheriff's Department. As such, the suspect will not face a first appearance in court Sunday, Ogan said.

- Authorities released a photo of a male between 40 and 50 years old who is "possibly associated with the suspect." The dark-haired man was last seen wearing blue jeans and a dark blue jacket, and was seen at the location where the shooting occurred.

- Authorities did not know whether the person they sought actually had any connection with Jared Lee Loughner, a law enforcement source told CNN. Authorities have a piece of evidence that indicates this second individual was in close proximity to the store, the source said, but declined to elaborate.

- That source also said authorities were seeking search warrants for a residence and for a vehicle in connection with the suspect in custody.

- A law enforcement source familiar with the investigation said the Glock used in the shootings was purchased legally, but did not have the details when or where it was bought. The extended magazine used in the shooting was likely purchased separately and at a different time, the source said. The official said such a magazine does not automatically come with a weapons purchase and it would be extremely rare for them to be sold together in one purchase.


- Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, 40, was shot in the head and underwent surgery Saturday. Doctors were optimistic of her chances of surviving. "I'm about as optimistic as it can get in this situation," Dr. Peter Rhee of the University Medical Center said Saturday afternoon. He said the next 24 hours will be key for determining the extent of her recovery.

- First elected in 2006, Giffords is serving her third term in Congress.

- She narrowly beat Tea Party-backed Republican Jesse Kelly in the November midterm elections, garnering 49% to the latter's 47% of the votes.

- Known as a "Blue Dog," or moderate, Democrat, Giffords was a key swing vote in last year's health care reform debate. She didn't make up her mind to vote for the legislation until the final days before the ultimate passing vote.

- She is married to NASA astronaut Mark Kelly, a Navy captain who is scheduled to fly the April space shuttle mission to the international space station. She is the only U.S. representative with an active duty military spouse, according to her website.

- She has no children but is stepmother to Kelly's two children, said Sylvia Lee, president of Pima County Community College in Tucson.

- She had received threats in the past, Lee said. A glass panel at her Tucson office was shattered the day after the health care reform vote last year. Staffers suspected someone shot a pellet gun at the glass. At a town hall meeting, a gun fell out of a constituent's pocket. But Giffords' press secretary, C.J. Karamargin, said he was unaware of any recent threats against Giffords.

- She generally voted with her party, but voted against the auto bailout bill and was one of 19 Democrats to vote against former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's bid to become the Democrats' minority leader after the midterm elections returned Republicans to power in the House.

- She holds a master's degree in regional planning from Cornell University and a B.A. from Scripps College, where she was awarded a William Fulbright Scholarship to study for a year in Chihuahua, Mexico.

- Before embarking on a political career, she worked for Price Waterhouse Coopers and served as chief executive officer and president of El Campo Tire, her family's business.

- She then served in the Arizona Legislature from 2000 to 2005, where she was the youngest woman elected to the Arizona state Senate.


- The suspect in the shooting is Jared Lee Loughner, a 22-year-old former community college student, according to an Arizona law enforcement source and a U.S. law enforcement source.

- He railed against government "mind control" and illiteracy in online missives and had "kind of a troubled past," said Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik.

- He also had brushes with the law, the sheriff said without elaborating. "We understand that there have been law enforcement contacts with the individual where he made threats." Court records indicate he had been arrested for possession of drug paraphernalia in 2007, but the charge was dismissed.

- Loughner dropped out of high school in 2006, after his junior year, said Tamara Crawley, a spokeswoman for the Marana United School District in suburban Tucson.

- In 2008, he tried to enlist in the U.S. Army. The Army rejected him, and privacy laws keep the military from disclosing the reason, the service said in a statement to CNN.

- He enrolled at Aztec Middle College, a partnership between Tucson schools and Pima Community College that helps high school dropouts transition to community colleges, the community college President Sylvia Lee told CNN.

- He took classes at the college from 2005 until October 2010, but withdrew after five contacts with police "for classroom and library disruptions" at two campuses between February and September, the school said.

- Loughner was suspended after authorities found a YouTube video in which he called the school "illegal according to the U.S. Constitution, and makes other claims," a college statement said. He quit during an October 4 meeting with his parents and school administrators, and a follow-up letter warned that to return, he had to present a doctor's note stating that "his presence at the College does not present a danger to himself or others."

- On his YouTube page, a list of his favorite books included both Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf" and Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels' "The Communist Manifesto," along with works by George Orwell, Ray Bradbury, Ken Kesey, Herman Hesse, Ernest Hemingway, Plato and Aesop's fables.

- "Good-bye friends," read a Saturday morning posting on Loughner's MySpace page, just hours before the shooting. "Dear friends ... Please don't be mad at me. The literacy rate is below 5%. I haven't talked to one person who is literate."

- A December 30 posting read, "Dear Reader ... I'm searching. Today! With every concern, my shot is now ready for aim. The hunt, a mighty thought of mine."

- Online, Loughner complained about the "second Constitution," a term legal scholars sometimes use to describe the post-Civil War amendments that ended slavery, extended the right to vote and required equal protection under the law. Its meaning to Loughner could not be clearly discerned.

- In an apparent reference to Giffords' congressional district, he wrote in a December 15 video message on YouTube: "The majority of people, who reside in District-8 are illiterate - hilarious."

- In the same message he wrote: "If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon. I define terrorist."


In addition to the 12 people wounded in the shooting, the following six were killed:

- John Roll, 63. A native of Pennsylvania, Roll was a federal judge for the U.S. District Court for the District of Arizona who had served the legal system for nearly 40 years. He began his career as a bailiff in Pima County Superior Court and rose to be chief judge for the District of Arizona, a position he held since 2006.

He received death threats two years ago after he ruled that a $32 million civil-rights lawsuit filed by illegal immigrants against a rancher in the state could proceed. He had been assigned to hear the ethnic studies ban case out of Tucson that involves a new law banning certain ethnic studies programs in public schools, according to the lead attorney on the case, Richard Martinez. Chief Justice of the United States John Roberts called Roll's death a tragic loss.

- Christina Taylor Greene, 9. She was born on September 11, 2001, according to CNN affiliate KVOA. Family members described her as "excited" about the political process, and said the desire to learn more about it had motivated her to go to the Gifford event, the affiliate said. Christina had just been elected to the student council at her school, the Arizona Republic reported. She died at a hospital, and not at the scene like the other five.

- Gabe Zimmerman, 30. A Tucson native who was engaged to be married, Zimmerman was the director of community outreach for the congresswoman.

- Dorwin Stoddard, 76. Dory, as his family calls him, was a retired construction worker, said Pastor Mike Nowak at Mount Avenue Church of Christ in Tucson. Witnesses told CNN that Stoddard tried to shield his wife, Mavy, was shot in the head and fell on her. The wife was shot three times in her legs; the bullets were removed and she is expected to make a full recovery.

- Dorothy Morris, 76

- Phyllis Scheck, 79


- Following the shootings, all legislation on the House schedule for the coming week was postponed, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor said. The decision was made by leaders of both parties and means the House will not vote next week on the repeal of health care reform.

- Although U.S. Capitol Police said there was no evidence of a broader threat involving federal officials, it has advised other members of Congress to take "reasonable and prudent precautions regarding their personal safety and security." The House sergeant at arms also said "it is essential" that lawmakers contact local police to register their home and office addresses.

- Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villasenor said his department had secured the homes and offices of some unnamed federal officials as a "precautionary measure."

- Rep. Chellie Pingree, D-Maine, said an incident like this could have a chilling effect on the frequent weekend listening sessions that many members of Congress have with their constituents.

- In Tucson, supporters gathered outside the University Medical Center, keeping vigil as family members waited with wounded loved ones inside. On the other side of the country, dozens of marchers braved subfreezing temperatures and gusty winds to gather on Capitol Hill for a candlelight vigil Saturday night.


- President Barack Obama: "We do not yet have all the answers. What we do know is that such a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society."

- Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer: "I am just heartbroken. Gabby is more than just a colleague, she is my friend. She has always been a noble public servant."

- John Roberts, chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, on the death of one of the victims, Judge U.S. District Judge John Roll: "Chief Judge Roll's death is a somber reminder of the importance of the rule of law and the sacrifices of those who work to secure it."

- U.S. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi: "Congresswoman Giffords is a brilliant and courageous member of Congress, bringing to Washington the views of a new generation of national leaders. It is especially tragic that she was attacked as she was meeting with her constituents whom she serves with such dedication and distinction."

- House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio: "An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve. Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society."

- U.S. Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona: "I am horrified by the violent attack on Representative Gabrielle Giffords and many other innocent people by a wicked person who has no sense of justice or compassion.  ... Whoever did this, whatever their reason, they are a disgrace to Arizona, this country and the human race, and they deserve and will receive the contempt of all decent people and the strongest punishment of the law."

- Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin: "There is no place in our society or discourse for such senseless and unconscionable acts of violence."


- Officials have not stated a motive for the shooting.

- Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik used a nationally televised press conference to condemn the tone of political discourse in his state. He charged that public debate is now "vitriolic rhetoric," which has rendered Arizona "the mecca for prejudice and bigotry." Dupnik suggested that such rhetoric can have deadly consequences.

- Last March, Giffords raised concerns about inflammatory rhetoric after her office was vandalized, and she cited how her name appeared on a website titled "Take back the 20" as part of a list originally issued by former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin in March 2010 against vulnerable House Democrats.

- The list, which named 20 House members who voted for health care reform, showed crosshairs over the contested Democratic districts.

- At the time, Giffords responded to the map by saying on MSNBC that her long-serving colleagues had "never seen anything like it." "The thing is, the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district," Giffords said in March. "When people do that, they've got to realize there's consequences to that action."

- A day after Giffords voted in favor of health care reform, a glass panel at her Tucson office was shattered.

- At a town hall meeting, a gun fell out of a constituent's pocket.

- Giffords' press secretary, C.J. Karamargin, said he was unaware of any recent threats against Giffords.

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  1. Dan Santos

    Funny that there are no quotes from Democrats suggesting hints of violence. Keep it up Tony we need more people like you going one on one with the republicans.

    January 10, 2011 at 12:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • uisignorant

      There are thousands. CNN will not allow them to be posted.

      January 10, 2011 at 2:37 pm | Report abuse |
  2. txfishing

    Why did Palin take down her website with the crosshair hit list moments after the shooting? It's an obvious admission of guilt. Did she think that someone would get shot over the image? Heck no, she just thought it would be cute just like the rest of her roge, gun toting folksy sayings. Definatly a case of cluelessness.

    January 10, 2011 at 12:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      Palin and her PAC group knew what exactly what they were doing. The map was meant to incite and inflame the base, tea baggers and any other nut job out there . Well this shooting is the results of her, the republican and tea baggers irresponsible behavior.

      January 10, 2011 at 1:11 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Chris

    It's inevitable that in a nation as large as ours, some people who are deranged or have twisted political goals will act out with rage and kill. However, the question for those in the political arena is - Why supply volatile attackers, through irresponsible and overheated vitriol that incites, with an extra match?

    January 10, 2011 at 12:59 pm | Report abuse |
  4. WhereCreditIsDue

    On the bright side, the democrats in congress will come together as never before. You teabaggers really blew it. Oh yeah, you just assured the re-election of the greatest president of the 21st century

    January 10, 2011 at 12:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tony

      The Republican Party is toast now. If they are unable to run on hate and prejudice, what's in the cards for them? No wonder this horrific and unfortunate incident may be the magic silver bullet that might kill the beast. Maybe THIS is exactly what Jefferson MEANT when he said "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots"....

      January 10, 2011 at 1:27 pm | Report abuse |
  5. jean2009

    Char: Context is every thing and the right likes to misrepresent that quote.

    "Mobster wisdom tells us never to bring a knife to a gun fight. But what does political wisdom say about bringing a gun to a knife fight?"

    That’s exactly what Barack Obama said he would do to counter Republican attacks “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said at a Philadelphia fundraiser Friday night.

    “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”

    President Obama made the comment in the context of warning donors that the general election campaign against McCain could get ugly.

    He was talking about verbal attacks...not guns or knives. The verbal ugly after the 2008 election has been pretty one sided. So don't try the Tea Party efforts of rewriting history.

    January 10, 2011 at 1:02 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Dan Santos

    Facts win over lies. All the right wing republicans are trying to find the quotes from the democrats suggesting hate, but, they will not find them. Kudos to that sherif, he gets it.

    January 10, 2011 at 1:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tony

      no worries, they'll make some up.

      January 10, 2011 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
  7. oh well

    I agree with the top post deathrow is the easy way out for this guy cut off his fingers and toes and dump him in front of the parents house of the 9 year old girlwho don't have the chance to grow up and get married and have a family. Let the ppl that lost there family have their way with him

    January 10, 2011 at 1:04 pm | Report abuse |
  8. WhereCreditIsDue

    If you don't fan flames, you frequently get no fire

    January 10, 2011 at 1:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      and in fanning the flames you get nut jobs with guns killing people.

      January 10, 2011 at 1:16 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Howard

    To say right wing rhetoric is not in part responsible for this tragedy is ridiculous. If there were sensilbe gun laws would anyone be able to own a weapon that can fire 30 rounds in a very short period of time? Cross hairs on the districts of political opponents at a right wing darling's website is reprehensible.

    Would any right wing candidate use the same language of "reload" to promote their agenda today? Of course not, anyone would sickened and disgusted by that language after this tragedy. So why would this type of language be appropriate at any time?

    Any nut can get a gun and do something tragic. The right ahs provided the environment so that gun can be purchase. It has implied using that gun against political opponents by postings on their websites.

    January 10, 2011 at 1:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • David C

      Yeah, sure. So he kills a DEMOCRAT.
      Look, just go to amren(dot)com, the website for right wing fringe group "American Reneissance". Jared Loughner was a member of this group. The first thing you see there is Tea Party paraphenelia. What other proof do you people need?

      January 10, 2011 at 5:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • David C

      I accidentally posted something that was on my clipboard. This is what I meant to post:

      Here are some tweets collected from Twitter regarding WHO the shooter is and his background. This girl has been interviewed by Good Morning America and other media outlets. Her story is legit. So here are some direct quotes from Caitie Parker on Twitter who went to high school, college and was in a rock band with Jared Loughner:

      – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

      "I went to high school, college, & was in a band with the gunman. This tragedy has just turned to horrific."

      "As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy."

      "He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in '07, asked her a question & he told me she was "stupid & unintelligent'"

      "he was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix,The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class"

      "we listened to political punk in high school & agreed with their leftist opinions for the most part Anti-Flag was our band."

      "well for the Bush/Kerry election we all wore "1 term president" buttons. That election was HUGE to us."

      "I'm merely stating how I remembered an old friend as he was when I saw him last, 3 years ago. I've make that clear."

      "The guy I knew 3 years ago isn't the evil he became today."

      "I haven't seen him in 3 years, but the guy I knew was a polar opposite of the evil he became today."

      "I never said anything about him being a Tea Partier, check your facts."

      – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

      I would find it hard to believe that such a committed and radical Leftist would swing 180 degrees to become a Tea Partier and/or a Sarah Palin follower in only 3 years. As an aside, Jared Loughner is an admitted atheist and lists The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf among his favorite books. Not exactly Tea Party material.

      January 10, 2011 at 5:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • mark

      Thank God he didn't list Mad Magazine as one of his books. We would be blaming Alfred E. Nueman for this. No one knows what was going on in his head, including him. I think it is pathetic how the left and right are trying to blame each other for this tragedy I'm glad to live in Canada when this crazy stuff happens. My prayers to the families of the victims.

      January 10, 2011 at 9:20 pm | Report abuse |
  10. really?

    how about we focus or attention on how this mentally unstable individual manage to get a weapon? Though we all know our gun laws are a joke...

    January 10, 2011 at 1:05 pm | Report abuse |
  11. WhereCreditIsDue

    Jean2009 is spot on

    January 10, 2011 at 1:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Going John Galt

      @ Tony

      Just one? OK. Obama on the campaign trail in June 2008:

      “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun. Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl.”

      Will that do?

      January 10, 2011 at 1:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • MarineReady

      It’s funny...if an American citizen had a website that listed political leaders to be ousted at all cost, marked these politicians with a set of cross-hairs and any one of them were actually shot, that citizen would have been thrown in jail with a laundry list of charges, never again to see the light of day. Didn’t Charles Manson do the same thing, only without the Internet? He didn’t pull the trigger, just made the suggestion. How many times has he been up for parole?

      Good thing politicians like Palin are above the law. Must be nice. I guess they can vote themselves another pay raise now. Good work...Bravo!

      January 10, 2011 at 2:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sparky101

      MarineReady, you say "It’s funny...if an American citizen had a website that listed political leaders to be ousted at all cost, marked these politicians with a set of cross-hairs..." But I think you are wrong. I never saw a picture of any politician with a gun-sight on their foreheads from Sarah Palin. I don't mind sharing the facts, so please share your source so I can validate your claim.

      January 10, 2011 at 2:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tony

      Sparky, I wish you were so factoid oriented when you watch Fox News. Then you would vote Democrat.

      January 10, 2011 at 2:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Cactuskid

      It amazes me how many mind readers there are posting here! I sure wish I had the ability to read this lunatic's mind as to what possessed him to commit this insane act. How do you know that he was inspired by TV talking heads, the Tea Party, anarchists, the left, the right, nazis, etc.? I agree with those who say that this is not the time for finger pointing, but for prayers, or just good thoughts for those who survived this madness. I'm sure we'll all find out in due time what motivated this kid to commit this unspeakable act...

      January 10, 2011 at 2:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sparky101

      Tony, I am but I don't.

      January 10, 2011 at 3:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Donna Stevens

      I'm afraid polarizing politics have played a role in shaping a fractious political environment where passions are sometimes expressed in violence. It leads already unstable people to believe this is an acceptable response. There is no place for senseless & terrible acts of violence in a free society. We are living in the United States of America 2011. We are civilized people. My heart goes out to all those suffering.

      January 10, 2011 at 3:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sam

      Reading these posts makes me wonder how many of you are o the edge of doing the same thing. All of this blame, and political rage is sickening. People need to wake up and realize we are all to blame. This is a result of our society, that we have created, so stop blaming other people and start changing. Ideas on how to change visit You can download his book for free, just click the link in the text.

      January 10, 2011 at 3:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Darrell

      40 Percentage of whites reporting a gun in their home
      19 Percentage of non-whites reporting a gun in their home

      January 10, 2011 at 3:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jason

      First of all, This is how the nut was registered voting wise.

      Second of all Palin did have the Target website up and it has sense been scrubbed from the internet starting yesterday.

      January 10, 2011 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • amy davidson

      This is a time we should re-evaluate on a federal level gun ownership. If a person has seisures it is reported and they many times cannot get drivers license. A doctor is responsible to report this to the dmv, I believe or have been told. Why cant we have a federal law that requires it reported by doctors to a dmv or law enforcement that a mentally ill/ possible endangerment be flagged for gun ownership. If this was so the school would have had a place to report and shooter could have been flagged long before.

      January 10, 2011 at 3:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Denise

      If Jared Loughner was a Muslim, all you people and especially the media would be crying 'TERRORIST' So when a Christian or other non-Muslim commits an act of terror, you think it is just simply a 'tragedy'....damn the zionist controlled media!

      January 10, 2011 at 3:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • PoliticiansAtWork

      Let me get this straight. A tragic event occured but they happen every day to people all around the world. This one is one million times worse though because it involved a member of our government. Less than 72 hours later one member of government is saying we need a law to outlaw putting a sight on a government employee's picture and posting it on the web or in some published form of media (a felony no less). I hear them talking about how they were scared to leave their homes and how they just need to take this week off to get security measures in check. I heard one person saying last night how he should not have to go through TSA procedures at an airport because after all he is a elected official and we all know how important their time is.

      Lets see if a police officer was killed and all of the other officers decided to take the rest of the week off so they could determine what they would need to do to be safer where would we be at. If all of the soldiers in a unit were removed from the front line after one was killed so the commander could determine how to prevent any more deaths where would we be.

      Hey you guys passed the laws that make all the rest of us Americans go through a nasty ordeal just to be able to fly so get in the line behind the rest of us. If you dont like the TSA people pulling at your junk then change the laws that give them the right to do that.

      If you are that scared to go to work because you are a politician and in the spotlight then resign or get over it. American troops that politicians have sent toforeign soil die every day but do you ever hear their names being read on CNN. I suppose from what I hear on the news that the was a politician's life is 1,000 times more important than any other average american's citizen.

      The debt is trillions of dollars, and the American dollar is growing weaker in the world economy but hey that is not important to the politcians. They have been elected by the people but the for the people part is lost as soon as they get to DC.

      My prayers go out to Gabby and her family as well as to the service members that lost their lives this last week. I will also thow in a prayer that our elected officials will wake up and realize that there are a lot more pressing issues regarding this nation than them having a picture with a scope site on it or TSAtouching thier junk when they try to fly.

      January 10, 2011 at 3:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sparky101

      Darrell, are you somehow claiming whites are more honest when reporting they have guns in their homes? Where does your statistic come from? What exactly was the question that was asked? Was this a random poll? And in the end analysis, what point did you actually wish to make?

      40 Percentage of whites reporting a gun in their home
      19 Percentage of non-whites reporting a gun in their home

      January 10, 2011 at 3:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sparky101

      Jason, did you see the crosshairs on her website, and if so were they placed on the forheads of anyone?

      January 10, 2011 at 3:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • ghostcobra14

      I think this murderer and his peyote smoking friends failed to realize something. You do not need drugs or hallucinagenics to have your "trips". Sleep paralysis is a phenomena that can happen naturally. "Traveling the universe" with drugs is a gate way to evil and degredation... doing it through natural means will bring about a peace and harmony the likes of which cannot be understood by those who do not experience it. The Sleep Paralysis will lead to the lucid dreams and to the out of body experiences without drugs or any kind of medicinal aide. It has to be worked on, and not jumped into with drugs. The devil will take hold of you when you go to these realms unnaturally, and sometimes even if it is done naturally. Be wary this stuff is real. Don't mess around with it unless you have your heart and mind right with God first. Then instead of a walking nightmare like this turd, you can have a wonderful life altering experience.

      January 10, 2011 at 4:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sparky101

      Jim Brieske, we are very concerned as to why your friend did this, but please calm down and don't follow his lead. Help is available, just call 911 and ask for help. Tell them you are full of hatred and being negatively influenced by your hatred, and disrespect of other people.

      January 10, 2011 at 4:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike Honcho

      By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.

      January 10, 2011 at 4:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike Honcho

      If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.

      January 10, 2011 at 4:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike Honcho

      The art of leadership... consists in consolidating the attention of the people against a single adversary and taking care that nothing will split up that attention.

      January 10, 2011 at 4:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ideological

      At his time we should focus our thoughts and prayers on those families and people hurt by this sad event. I offer my condolences to those who have lost a loved one.

      To those among us eager to blame the actions of one individual on rancor and vitriol of our current politics, a lack of gun control, or any other assumed motivation, be careful what you assume to know. Fierce rhetoric is not new to politics and determined people in countries with strict gun control laws still acquire weapons. Ideas, guns, and words are all tools which can be used for good and ill. Efforts to control these may be well intended, but any sense of control is illusory. Our culture is filled with violent imagery. Our movies, music, games, news, and politics may all be factors to varying degrees, any of which may be contributory.

      It appears that the person responsible for these crimes is in custody. Let us thank those people who are responsible for his apprehension. And if you are so concerned with political discord, then there is no need to contribute to that further in this commentary. So thank you to those who stopped this fellow, god bless those suffering with the loss of their loved one, and god speed for a quick recovery to those injured.

      January 10, 2011 at 4:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • settino

      Strange to see people's reaction. If your a father, how would you like it if someone, Palin or whoever, has your duaghter targted with a crosshair just like Sarah did? Bet you would defend your daughter, and take every measure possible to take that crap off the internet.

      January 10, 2011 at 4:55 pm | Report abuse |

      I just hope he gets the death penelty and gets it quick.

      January 10, 2011 at 4:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • tlm1160

      I cannot believe how ironic it is that the 9yr old sweet little girl who was brought into the world on 9-11-01, died at 9yrs old in yr 11 the 01 month. That is so chilling. My prayers go out to all these people affected by this horrific tragedy.

      January 10, 2011 at 5:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mary

      First. my thoughts and prayers go out to the people who were murdered, and second, my thoughts and prayers go out to
      Rep. Giffords and those others who were injured in this horrific act.

      My recommendation is that if you want the "hate" to go away, stop listening to thos who spread the "hate". Turn off the radio, trun off the TV, computer and turn to another channel for more civil discussions.

      January 10, 2011 at 5:15 pm | Report abuse |

      In two weeks I will return to colledge here in Missoula Montana. Im sure durning the breaks on lecture these murders will be discussed. I think the Sheriff is right on with what has happened and im glad they caught him. My opinion in this matter
      is that there should be swift justice. The kid that caused this is stupid. After spending 9 years in the army and going to Afganistan to fight I can tell you all as a matter of fact that stupidity kills and so does complacentcy. Life is not safe, and if you are gonna be a part of it you better be right. Im glad that professor kicked him out of school now I just hope he gets the death penalty. What an Idiot

      January 10, 2011 at 5:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • HS

      @ Going John, you must feel so self-satisfied at finding a comment made by Obama. For every one comment by this civil President, you can can thousands from Palin, Limbaugh, Beck, and the Tea Party candidates, etc.. For Obama, it was the exception. For your guys – it's the rule.

      January 10, 2011 at 5:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • David C

      Only one problem with your statement, MarineReady. Sarah Palin ISN'T IN OFFICE, so she can't "vote herself another pay raise."

      January 10, 2011 at 5:54 pm | Report abuse |
  12. NorCalMojo

    Am I the only one here hoping Tony doesn't have a gun?

    January 10, 2011 at 1:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tony

      I don't need a gun. I have voice of reason and God given sense of logic.

      January 10, 2011 at 1:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sparky101

      Tony, I don't think that's God talking to you.

      January 10, 2011 at 1:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Going John Galt

      @ Tony

      And selective memory....let's not forget selective memory!

      January 10, 2011 at 1:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • uisignorant

      And the brain of a moth.... Single minded and forgetful. Sooner or later that bug zapper will get you.

      January 10, 2011 at 2:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jim Brieske

      Sparky101. Who the fuk are you to say who God speaks to? Here is what is taking place with this planet. This project is over if Iran develops nuclear weapons. Prepare to die, along with everyone else, as a huge wave of fire sweeps the planet after the asteroid impact..

      January 10, 2011 at 4:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • jB

      Tony, are you hearing voices?

      January 10, 2011 at 4:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sparky101

      Hi Jim. Notice that I prefaced my remark with "I don' think..." Not that that matters to those of a foul disposition. Seriously, I'm concerned about your invective. You truly sound like one who needs a little help. I encourage you to seek out a professional that can assess your needs and perhaps help you before you do something truly thoughtless to yourself or to others. Help is available, and if you seek it, you will find you don't have to be so angry and vile.

      January 10, 2011 at 4:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • David C

      Statement/Joke of the Day (from our beloved Tony):

      I don't need a gun. I have voice of reason and God given sense of logic.

      Tony, you have a "voice of reason and God given sense of logic" like I have a uterus.

      January 10, 2011 at 5:56 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Bill

    Too often innocent people are victimized......very sad. My heart is broken for Congresswoman Gifford.....I agree with her husband "all we can do is pray for Gabby".....I have been praying for her but don't take prayers lightly.....our expectations may not be met (hopefully God will intervene and hug her back to good health) but this life is temporary for all I pray that God will be with "Gabby" and help her endure this situation whether it be extended life on earth or eternal Life with Him.......don't limit God's power based on our understanding......Trust Him.....this is a strong Test of Faith.....may God comfort you "Gabby".

    January 10, 2011 at 1:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • A. R. Davidson

      Thank you, Bill for one of the few clear-headed posts in this room.

      January 10, 2011 at 1:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sparky101

      Yes, let us all pray that Ms. Giffords has accepted the Lord or, if not, is capable of doing that in her condition. If she has already done this, then she is probably at peace in her situation. I hope God is talking to her and comforting her right now, and that he will see fit to return her to complete, functional health so she can continue to serve her district and her nation as God originally intended.

      January 10, 2011 at 1:44 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Dinae

    Most democrats I know have been holding their breathe for the last two years, fearing that the hate-mongering from the right would encourage violence. Beck, Limbaugh, Palin all are completely aware that they pander to the anger of the lesser educated and marginalized. You cannot say "well, this person was mentally ill", when you know that the mentally ill can be riled into violence by violent rhetoric. And by the way, NO ONE buys that Palin's "crosshairs" were surveyor's marks–don't even try.

    January 10, 2011 at 1:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Diane

      the communists in this country are trying to spin this horrible event into their political favor..

      January 10, 2011 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • windycreek

      The ONLY person responable for this- is the shooter. Quit looking to point fingers, personal responsability goes a long way. The left is just as guilty as the right for rhetoric..I am an extreme right winger, I own guns, I fly my Gasden flag right below old glory..I have never thought of killing anyone in cold blood. This guy didn't listen to Beck or Palin or anyone, but the little voices in his sick head. My prayers to the victims....

      January 10, 2011 at 1:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sparky101

      Diane, you also need to go to: and see what has been coming from the left side of your world. Could this have motivated this shooter, since Ms. Giffords voted against Pelosi being head of her party in the house? I mean, this man had equal access to things from the left, and they are even more vile than what you point out. Go look, it's not a pretty picture. Then come back and tell us what you saw there and how it made you feel about your own peeps.

      January 10, 2011 at 1:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • David

      Yea for you, Diane! There are too many marginalized people who can be whipped into a frenzy by a dispossesed hatemonger. History needs only to look at Germany in the 1930's to see how some people who think they are superior to the rest of us can be led to violence against others. I am encouraged to see the other replies that feel similarly as you & I.

      January 10, 2011 at 1:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      Most democrates I know, including Jimmy Carter are constantly codemning Israel. This boy's favorite book was mein kampf and this congress woman was Jewish. We constantly hear how all the Jews are in control of our government and money. Now we have democrates trying to blame it on Sarah Palin and Glenn beck. Guess what – This boy was anti Jew and he tried to kill a Jew. That is all.

      January 10, 2011 at 1:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tony

      Sparky, so you equate some ramblings coming from unknown anonynous sources somewhere on West Coast with what our ELECTED OFFICIALS SAY? You must be running of excuses, and frankly NOT doing your cause any favors.

      January 10, 2011 at 1:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sparky101

      David, you too could benefit by going to Are you ready to become part of the solution? If so, it would be nice to hear you speak out against what you just saw.

      January 10, 2011 at 1:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tony

      John, he did not og to a synagogue, he went to kill a DEMOCRATIC representative. But keep searching for excuses, you may find one some day...

      January 10, 2011 at 1:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dinae

      Okay, Sparky I looked at that site. Every example listed is from left-leaning individuals who are getting stupid and over the line. THEY DO NOT HAVE A NATIONAL FORUM like Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, Palin. We're talking about responsibility from people who have a national voice and should know better. Who are NOT speaking for the good of the nation but for the good of their party and/or pocketbook.

      January 10, 2011 at 1:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • C Dunk Pruett

      It never ceases to amaze me that when an event like this happens, the media and politicians find a way to blame the radio talk shows or others who don’t agree them like the Tea Party. In the case of the Ft. Hood shooter, after the event the focus was on “why did it happen and how did we miss the signs”. In every case like the Gifford shooting, the focus is on the right who did not have anything to do with the shooting. Why doesn’t the media and the politicians focus on how this could have been prevented by spotting the signs of a clearly disturbed and potentially violent man months even years ago. There are 6 people that are dead and the only focus is on the Democratic politician who is hanging on to life. Pity the 9 year old who never had a chance to grow up because of a mentally disturbed shooter who should have been stopped by authorities months ago.

      January 10, 2011 at 1:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sparky101

      I'm sorry I'm unable to follow your dots Tony. Please tell me what my "cause" is, because I'm pretty sure your judgement is faulty. Also, please tell me what you perceived as "ramblings coming from unknown anonynous sources somewhere on West Coast" when I linked Diane to a concise compendium of hate filled spewings that had been gathered to counter rants like yours. When you are ready to be part of the solution, I'd expect you to condemn such things from your camp and start on a path of legitimate debate. But, I can lead a horse to water, I just can't make him drink. If you refuse to honestly look at the link I sent, that's okay with me. It does not change Ms. Giffords' condition, it was just my attempt to connect with reasonable people who are as shocked as me at this time.

      January 10, 2011 at 1:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      Does a Jew have to be killed in a Synagoge? Hitler killed them in Ovens and open fields.

      January 10, 2011 at 1:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tony

      LOL...I think at this point your right wng apoligists should stop posting that scatology link. You are making your case progressively worse. The old know when to hold and when to fold.

      January 10, 2011 at 1:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sparky101

      Thanks Diane for giving me the consideration of looking. Are you not willing to condemn such graphic hatred? Do you see that it is pretty graphic and extreme? Are you certain that the Arizona shooter did not have access to such graphic hatred? Where have you seen such graphic depictions of hatred from the right? Has Hannity shown such things? Has Glenn Beck shown such things? Are Olbermann, Maddow, Ed Shultz and Jon Stewart not equally grouped in with those you've mentioned? Or do they somehow get a pass like you've given the lefty hate I guided you to? If such things as you've mentioned are okay for the left, would they also be okay for the right? Tony mentioned "tea party" flags he saw on a web site, as proof the tea party was implicated in the shootings. How nuts is that? Does violence only result from insane people who see a poster from a Republican or a Conservative? I think that if you compare the level of hatred and vitriol from the left to the right, you'll see the left is winning hands down. Have you listened to the lefties calling for a revolution – you know, like Ms. Piven has done recently? Why have you not publically condemned the statements by William Ayers that he is only sorry that the weathermen did not do enough? These are people from the left that have actually done things and are actually calling for a violent revolution, and yet you do not condemn them? Instead you point your finger of blame at the right, in spite of evidence to the contrary. This shooter was off his rocker, period. He wanted to get his name in the papers and in the history books. What do you make of the 2007 letter from Ms. Giffords that was found in his safe? Yet you continue to believe it was the right that pushed this man over the edge. Sorry to disagree so strongly.

      January 10, 2011 at 2:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dinae

      Sparky, I DO condemn individuals on the right AND left who make stupid, violent rants, as I believe I said in my response. AS far as I know, William Ayers has no national forum like a radio show. I watch Steward and have seen Olbermann. I've never heard hate speech out of Steward, or Olbermann, much as he sometimes foams at the mouth, he does not outright lie like Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, Bachmann. There are no cross hairs, there are no allegations of Death Panels (as there are to this day on Limbaugh's site). And if you don't think radio hate speech can incite violence, you've never heard the history of Rawanda's genocide.

      January 10, 2011 at 2:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tony

      He does not know where Rwanda is on the map...

      January 10, 2011 at 2:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Diane

      AFAIK, nobody has said anything about him being charged with a hate crime. I don't even know why in the world most of you crazy people even need to bring religion into this at all. Where do you crazy conspiracy nuts get off? And what is even worse than you crazy readers, is I even read reporters here on CNN are spinning more of her religious preference into this story to stir it up for no reason. That's wrong and you crazy people know it too!

      January 10, 2011 at 2:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sparky101

      Dinae, thanks for your considerate response. I think you've got a ways to go in your comparisons of Maddow, et al with Glenn Beck, et al. You say "I've never heard hate speech out of Steward, or Olbermann, much as he sometimes foams at the mouth, he does not outright lie like Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, Bachmann." and I'd disagree with your assessment, in that I've never heard hate speech from Palen, Beck, and Bachmann. Please guide me to some of that from them and those lies you mention. As to the cross hairs, those have been a democrat staple since 2004. Ms. Palin in her folksy and outdoorsman way, just targeted races, not people, and did it in a way that democrats have done for years. I didn't hear you voice condemnation when the Democrats did it, nor do I hear you now condemning them for that. As to William Ayers, he has certainly had access to national media. He also has access to thousands of our youth that attend the public university at which he spews his inflammatory rhetoric and revolutionary encouragement – and he does this without the knowledge of their parents. You too easily give such people a pass. Why? As to radio being used to incite violence, I think you'd be hard pressed to compare what was done in Rowanda with our radio in the USA. First, ours is not completely government controlled. Second, in America, we all are afforded freedom of speech and we understand that we also allow people to freely express their opinions. Ours is not done at the end of a rifle, theirs was. I've lived in a number of foreign countries, where fear is what is used to herd people. We don't want that here, although some have tried to do it. In some of the places I lived, people would knock on your door to ask who you were supporting in the upcoming elections. They would kill you if you were for the wrong person. I've live in countries where communists would put a tree over the road, and shoot any Americans who happened to be travelling that road in the dark. In America, we discuss things without fear- like you and I are doing now. I have no fear that you will harm me for expressing my opinions, and you know that I respect your opinion as well. In Iraq and in Nigeria, Christians were murdered by Muslims as they celebrated Christmas. And I've read reports that in Nigeria, some "Christians" returned the favor. That does not happen here (except perhaps at Ft. Hood), and we don't want it to. Are you saying somehow that the Ft. Hood shooter was influenced by Glenn Beck or Sarah Palin? I mean Tony is trying to implicate the Tea Party in the Arizona shootings. We have people like that in our society, and we need to identify them. But I don't think you can ever connect the Arizona shootings with what this young insane man might have heard from Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, or Ms. Bachman. You may disagree fervently with what they say for one reason or another, and your disagreement may lead you to hate them and speak unkindly of them and accuse them of being liars, but, I can feel equally about people I've seen on the left (only I don't). We don't know yet what brought this man to do what he did. In the time being, pointing fingers of blame is not very constructive or helpful.

      Sparky, I DO condemn individuals on the right AND left who make stupid, violent rants, as I believe I said in my response. AS far as I know, William Ayers has no national forum like a radio show. I watch Steward and have seen Olbermann. I've never heard hate speech out of Steward, or Olbermann, much as he sometimes foams at the mouth, he does not outright lie like Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, Bachmann. There are no cross hairs, there are no allegations of Death Panels (as there are to this day on Limbaugh's site). And if you don't think radio hate speech can incite violence, you've never heard the history of Rawanda's genocide.

      January 10, 2011 at 2:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • justin

      AGREE...They have to because they know that most sane people wouldnt believe the garbage they spew.. Great point

      January 10, 2011 at 4:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike Honcho

      The doom of a nation can be averted only by a storm of flowing passion, but only those who are passionate themselves can arouse passion in others.

      January 10, 2011 at 5:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • David C

      Why do you continue to try to pin this on the right? And, as per your hateful rhetoric accusations, have you been paying attention to people like Keith Olbermann? Is that not the same thing you're accusing the right of? If you don't like someone's opinion, turn the damn channel!

      Here are some FACTS for you to chew on:

      Here are some tweets collected from Twitter regarding WHO the shooter is and his background. This girl has been interviewed by Good Morning America and other media outlets. Her story is legit. So here are some direct quotes from Caitie Parker on Twitter who went to high school, college and was in a rock band with Jared Loughner:

      – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

      "I went to high school, college, & was in a band with the gunman. This tragedy has just turned to horrific."

      "As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy."

      "He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in '07, asked her a question & he told me she was "stupid & unintelligent'"

      "he was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix,The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class"

      "we listened to political punk in high school & agreed with their leftist opinions for the most part Anti-Flag was our band."

      "well for the Bush/Kerry election we all wore "1 term president" buttons. That election was HUGE to us."

      "I'm merely stating how I remembered an old friend as he was when I saw him last, 3 years ago. I've make that clear."

      "The guy I knew 3 years ago isn't the evil he became today."

      "I haven't seen him in 3 years, but the guy I knew was a polar opposite of the evil he became today."

      "I never said anything about him being a Tea Partier, check your facts."

      – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

      I would find it hard to believe that such a committed and radical Leftist would swing 180 degrees to become a Tea Partier and/or a Sarah Palin follower in only 3 years. As an aside, Jared Loughner is an admitted atheist and lists The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf among his favorite books. Not exactly Tea Party material.

      January 10, 2011 at 6:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • jen

      finally, a voice of reason

      January 10, 2011 at 9:04 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Tony

    If a person shows up to a political rally, carrying a weapon, are they A)crazy nut killer or B)tea party enthusiast?

    January 10, 2011 at 1:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • windycreek

      C) an american with rights, granted by the creator

      January 10, 2011 at 1:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sparky101

      Tony, your multiple choice questions are faulty in that you did not include any reasonable options. You should include c) a citizen legally armed by his state (it was a black man too, for your information – perhaps wary of being attacked by SEIU thugs as happened to that poor black man in St. Louis), d) someone who was on his way to a hunting site but got sidetracked by seeing so many people gathering.

      January 10, 2011 at 1:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Fred

      I don't have an asnwer to your sarcastic question but.... this should change the way we manage security at political rallies. Secondly, we need to understand this guys life style to help understand how he got this way. Thirdly, we need to undertsand how someone who was clearly demonstrating serious mental issues fell through the cracks.

      January 10, 2011 at 1:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tony

      "up the windy creek, with a gun"

      January 10, 2011 at 1:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • A. R. Davidson

      C) An armed American exercising his/her right to "defend" his/her self.

      BTW, isn't a gun more of an offensive weapon? When I think of defense, i think of body armor. But that's just me.....

      January 10, 2011 at 2:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sparky101

      A.R. no a gun is neither stricly defensive nor offensive, it depends on the situation. If I'm in D.C. and someone sticks a gun to my head demanding my wallet, that's an offensive use. The crook is only trying to obtain what is rightfully his, and brought along a gun to ensure I would not harm him during his attempt to convey a need to redistribute my wealth.

      On the other hand, if I also pulled a gun to prevent my untimely demise, then that would be a defensive use of my weapon. Consider though that if I was permitted to carry my weapon visibly, the crook would likely have passed me by with a civil greeting and a nod of understanding.

      January 10, 2011 at 2:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tony

      Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear. ~William E. Gladstone, 1866

      January 10, 2011 at 2:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sparky101

      "Tony, I can assure you that your trust is misplaced." – Sparky101, 2011

      January 10, 2011 at 3:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Going John Galt

      @ Tony, William Ewart Gladstone was a leader in the Liberal Party of England during the 19th Century which doesn't have the same meaning as it does today. Some of the Liberal Party of England's positions include supporting laissez-faire economic policies such as free trade and minimal government interference in the economy. So while you ignorantly use Gladstone's quote to try to casts Conservatives in a negative light, you need to switch the party reference for it to have any modern day meaning. In short, you unknowingly suggest that Conservative Republicans are correct. Do you want to retract this quote at being “supported” by you now?

      This IS really easy!!

      January 10, 2011 at 3:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • A. R. Davidson

      As I do understand your point about guns being neither offensive nor defensive weapons, I believe the context needs to be established for my point to be understood. For example:

      "Hey honey, I'm going to take my rifle and defend us against those aggressive yearling does roaming the neighborhood".


      Hey honey, I'm going to take my rifle and defend us against those aggressive 400-lb. black bears roaming the neighborhood".

      You decide.

      January 10, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Going John Galt

      @ Tony, like all your quotes you attribute to someone else, the Gladstone quote doesn't have any true meaning until you understand the context in which it was made.

      January 10, 2011 at 3:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • ghostcobra14

      More than likely they are a black panther party supporter of OBAMA!

      January 10, 2011 at 4:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sparky101

      A. R. Davidson, I do understand the context of your query. As I said, if I was allowed to visibly carry my weapon, fewer crooks would try to engage me in "conversation." I don't know who these crooks are in advance, or I could more appropriately decide whether to wear body armor or carry a gun. However, in response to your deer versus bear analogy, let me tell you of a friend in New Jersey who has a nursery. He has legal right to shoot animals destroying his plants (except for Canadian geese). He has never had a bear destroying his plants, but has had plenty of deer. In the past, he took the deer to a boys reform school, but years ago, the state made him stop doing that. Now, when he kills a deer, he must call a renderer to dispose of it. A double waste. So, does he somehow fit your first instance only because bear don't damage his plants?

      As I do understand your point about guns being neither offensive nor defensive weapons, I believe the context needs to be established for my point to be understood. For example:

      "Hey honey, I'm going to take my rifle and defend us against those aggressive yearling does roaming the neighborhood".

      January 10, 2011 at 4:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • HS

      Gun at political event – both are correct! Tea Partiers have HAVE brought guns to events.

      January 10, 2011 at 6:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • David C

      @Sparky and @Going John Galt:

      Debating Tony is like shooting fish in a bowl. If brains were dynamite, he wouldn't have enough to snap a cap!

      January 10, 2011 at 6:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • T3chsupport

      I'm going to go with 'idiot begging for attention'.

      January 10, 2011 at 6:08 pm | Report abuse |
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