In Arizona case, experts say planning undermines insanity plea
Suspsect Jared Lee Loughner seen in his mugshot.
January 11th, 2011
11:12 AM ET

In Arizona case, experts say planning undermines insanity plea

The alleged shooter in Saturday's deadly Tucson massacre may have difficulty making the case for a successful insanity plea, experts said Tuesday.

Jared Lee Loughner, 22, who authorities say shot up a gathering held by U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Arizona, outside a supermarket, has been anecdotally regarded as very troubled and perhaps mentally unbalanced because of his ramblings spotted on the internet and the ways he has been described by acquaintances.

But Paul Callan, a criminal defense attorney and a former prosecutor, and Jeff Gardere, a clinical and forensic psychologist, told CNN's American Morning Tuesday they have doubts that an insanity plea would stand.

With the "amount of planning that went into this assassination," Callan believes "it's highly unlikely he will meet the legal insanity defense threshold."

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  1. Samsta

    I guess them poisonuos teabagger got result in arizon and the palan are full of celebration i guess the ballets didnt work i guess the bullet did. have ur party now u GOP monster.

    January 11, 2011 at 11:23 am | Report abuse |
    • gun4heri

      The guy was not influenced with any hateful speeches and rhetoric comments whatsoever....HE WAS PAID!

      January 11, 2011 at 4:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jim Brieske

      samsta. You really are a democrat moron. What's your I.Q? 80?
      jim

      January 11, 2011 at 5:01 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Jim Davis

    @Samsta. U wish U were celebrating !! U R unhappy 'cause Dems like U jumped the gun AGAIN & have egg dripping off their faces AGAIN, and everybody knows it. Shame on U !!! Waaaaaaaaaaa !!!! We warned U to wait and get some facts, but U couldn't resist desire to push your agenda.

    January 11, 2011 at 11:53 am | Report abuse |
    • rojo

      wow, Jim, you sound like one of those school yard bullies with your "Waaaa". If the shoe fits.

      January 11, 2011 at 3:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Paul

      What is it like to be middle aged and still express yourself like a teenager? Why would anyone have the slightest reason to listen to your opinion?

      January 11, 2011 at 4:56 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Linda

    Dont u listen to the news they are not to blame

    January 11, 2011 at 11:55 am | Report abuse |
  4. shazzabelle

    Crazy anyone? An indigenous tribe would have taken this guy for a long walk off a short cliff long ago. Why aren't we paying attention to our tribes? Wake up call! Problem – everyone keeps hitting the snooze button.

    January 11, 2011 at 12:29 pm | Report abuse |
  5. BIG BEEZO

    Let me just say that if anybody and i mean anybody showed up to my kids funeral with any kinda sign pickett anything they would all have a third eye hole right in the middle of their forehead rights or not i would be in jail for murder

    January 11, 2011 at 12:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • lol

      Yes, you would be.

      January 11, 2011 at 1:40 pm | Report abuse |
  6. GuerillaGorilla

    Frankly, I suspect the insanity plea is being abused and the lawyers or people involved should not be allowed to make the decisions. If it is suspected then have a panel of three seprate forensic psychologists test the suspect. If they can all agree the suspect is insane, then allow the insanity plea.

    Just another instance of abuse of the criminal system. Time for an overhaul!

    January 11, 2011 at 2:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kristen

      agreed!

      January 11, 2011 at 7:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kristen

      Question: What if they diagnose him with paranoid schizophrenia? Which he displays symptoms of...Is that enough to claim insanity? Is that a stupid question? haha I am just curious!

      January 11, 2011 at 7:57 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Don Wuerl

    Regardless of if he is sane or not really doesn't matter; lock this monster up where he can't be a danger to anyone else and himself! God Bless America!

    January 11, 2011 at 2:51 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Pkm

    he was planing to do this lyeing and waiting grounds for capital punish memt

    January 11, 2011 at 3:18 pm | Report abuse |
  9. couplestalk

    Personally, i have to say that America is something else to have young people killing in broad day light with not just 1 person in sight but a gathering. Ok, are we safe in this country or not? It really makes you wonder who and what you are beside now on a daily basis as we walk beside people who are possibly capable of doing anything.
    I personally dont know how you can leave your home without praying-now you never know who you will run or encounter today. We are instructed not to judge others but give them the truth, and i really hope this young man gets professional help because, if he just goes to prison, he will only get out and be a man on a mission for killing without help.

    January 11, 2011 at 3:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Paul

      He killed 6 people, how is he ever going to see the outside of a prison again? The scary thing about this is that you feel like times are changing in some way that it isn't "safe outside" anymore. What about Son of Sam, or the Zodiac? Jack the Ripper? Ed Gein? Black Dahlia? Relax and get a hold of yourself.

      January 11, 2011 at 4:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jim Brieske

      Paul. Richard Ramirez, Charles Manson, Jim Jones, David Koresh, Ted Bundy, Eileen....
      A new approach must be taken to solving the murder problem because as media access increases so will the number of murders.
      Anyone who disagrees with my approach (and it is not implemented), as previously stated, is an accomplice to every murder to be committed from here on out.
      jim

      January 11, 2011 at 5:11 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Louis

    Well, we all know that he’s a nut job!! The media has made him insane to cover their butts, and now the jury pool is tainted, so he will end up in a mental hospital for 20 years and then say he’s better.

    January 11, 2011 at 3:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jim Brieske

      Louis. No he won't to a mental hospital. He planned the attack. Planning shows stability. If he were really crazy, he would not have been able to even get to the crimescene.
      jim

      January 11, 2011 at 5:58 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Louis

    The families will have to suffer for the rest of their lives and this will never go away. He should be put down!!

    January 11, 2011 at 3:27 pm | Report abuse |
  12. LakerBoy

    Every time a white boy does some stupid sh~t they always say he has a mental problem i say thats bullsh~t start fry~ing they white as~es like fish more often then we wouldnt have this problem thats if they dont kill themselves

    January 11, 2011 at 3:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jim Brieske

      LakerBoy. Your hero Kobe Bryant committed a crime against a white woman in Colorado. There was a time when he would have been hanged immediately. But no, not today. Instead the piece of garbage pays off his wife and hires a bunch of fancy lawyers with his millions. He does not accept responsibility and allow man to punish him. Now God will punish him. What will happen to Kobe Bryant?
      Fried, literally. How do you like them apples?
      jim
      If your hero is a piece of garbage, are yoiu?

      January 11, 2011 at 4:24 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Jim Brieske

    You're no good, you're no good...
    Linda Ronstadt

    Man will continue to murder the weak and innocent until the federal government comes up with an immediate more gruesome painful killing (execution) for murderers than they can replicate on their victims. They must fear what they can not do.
    A glass tank filled with water and ten sharks to eat murderers live on television. This can not be replicated. so it will be feared immensely.
    jim

    January 11, 2011 at 3:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Paul

      Fear of retribution implies that the perpetrator expects to be caught. They never expect to be caught, severity of punishment is not the sole deterrent, and it doesn't work as one. It simply makes innocent people become responsible for horrific murders per the state. What happens when an innocent man ends up in your shark tank?

      January 11, 2011 at 5:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jim Brieske

      Paul. You are a stupid person. Do not address me again.
      jim

      January 11, 2011 at 5:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jim Brieske

      Paul. I apologize to you. I am in a bad mood. Shouldn't be taken it out on you. I find it diffucult to concern myself with an innocent man being executed. I don't care. I know God exists.
      He will sort out the mistake man made. It's not like there hasn't been millions of them already.
      jim

      January 11, 2011 at 5:51 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Louis

    Anything is possible!! I wouldn't say paid, but there is always a story behind the story. I know that when I walk out the door, I will be packing. You have to be able to defend yourself and my neighbors.

    January 11, 2011 at 4:56 pm | Report abuse |
  15. LakerBoy

    This country punish poverty not the crime you can best believe if kobe was a poor blackman then yeah his a~~ would be grass

    January 11, 2011 at 5:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jim Brieske

      Louis. If he were poor white boy too. Poverty does not know skin color. It's the children of the poor whose suffering I feel and it hurts. We have starving children in our country.
      I wish I could gather everyone and say, do you need that $500 shirt or that $1000 dress for prom? No you don't. There's a little person over there and over there and over there and over there... just all over this country, hungry. Really hungry.
      jim

      January 11, 2011 at 6:12 pm | Report abuse |
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