Is repealing health care about health, or presidential election?
Rep. Steve King discussed how part of the goal of the bill is to elect a new president in 2012.
January 18th, 2011
08:51 AM ET

Is repealing health care about health, or presidential election?

The House of Representatives begins debate this morning on H.R. 2 or as its named, "Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act." co-sponsored by Representative Steve King, a republican from Iowa and Representative Michele Bachmann, a republican from Minnesota.

The bill's goal is to repeal President Obama's health care reform legislation of last year. But with President Obama still in office and sure to veto any legislation the bill seems largely a symbolic effort.

Even among the public, a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll out this morning shows that Obama's approval rating is up five points since last month and support for repealing isn't overwhelming.

Before the debate begins, Rep. Steve King joins T.J. Holmes on American Morning defending the bill and saying the effort is all in hopes of electing a new president in 2012.

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  1. Sherri W.W.#1~ILLinois

    There are also many other good things about the HCR Bill. We have 2 grandchildren~both teens now~straight A students&college bound.The boy had cancer at 2 YEARS OLD.the girl had open Heart Surgery at 2 WEEKS OLD.Without the HCR,they would have NO INS. at age 19.Now,they will have insurance all their lives.We are so blessed that these 2 have made it this far~and seem well~but NOW is sure not the time to give up on them,by letting them have no health ins.! For those who have never been sick,I can tell you that people are getting sick,and unable to work much younger these days~50s is getting dangerous in terms of health.Without insurance,hospitals will eventually find ways NOT to treat you~Now THATS the"horrible"possibility! Our local Hosp.just closed their new Maternity floor&you CANNOT hv a baby at that Hosp~not even in ER! Why? they said once they got the new wing,over 80%of woman coming there had NO INS~so they closed it to avoid the law to hv to treat! So now,even with ins,the closest hosp.to give birth is nearly 50 mi.away! More&more hosp.will find ways if you dont hv ins.

    January 18, 2011 at 12:06 pm | Report abuse |
  2. b0bc4t

    We need to revamp medical costs and billings if we are gonna have medical reform.

    Insurance requirements are making costs skyrocket, making a simple cut or bruise cost thousands, because if they don't bill thousands, they can't collect hndreds, and they cant put new office furniture in the doctor lounges or afford pharmaceuticals that require free vacations for doctors that prescribe the most expensive new product in excessive packaging and whose commercials flood the television with the "possible side effects".

    It has become a vicious cycle. Doctors have to make million dollar salaries, so they can afford to pay malpractice insurance and school loans that would bankrupt a nation. They can't live in the prestigious neighborhoods with the stock traders and send their kids to the Ivy League shools that will turn them into the next doctors.

    Medical equipment costs millions because doctors can't figure out how to spend their enormous fees, or pay the taxes on the profits, if they don't. You can't do without the equipment because if you don't have the right diagnostics, the insurance company henchman won't approve your billing.
    A doctor can't make a step without diagnostics, because if anything happens to a patient, whether related or not, a battery of lawyers will swarm the patient to capitalize on a consequence, whether foreseen or not, and bankrupt a doctor and anyone who chose to partner with or become associated with their medical group.

    WE NEED TO STOP THE MADNESS! INSURANCE AND LAWYERS FEED ON EACH OTHER LIKE THE HOUSING BUBBLE!

    January 18, 2011 at 12:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scotty

      You are correct sir and that was my original point. Why change EVERYTHING for less than 10 percent of the population. If we're going to accept fed interference at least do away with all of the waste fraud and abuse FIRST.

      January 18, 2011 at 2:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      Why not do both (eliminate waste/fraud, AND fix the problems with the system, like preventing insurance companies from dropping you for having a pre-existing condition). It's not an either-or situation. We need to do both.

      January 18, 2011 at 2:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scotty

      Agreed, but not by changing the whole system and delving into the areas they have no business being in. We have the best system in the world, it needs fine tuned not rebuilt. If my car needs an oil change I don't replace the engine and I don't go to GM to have it done, I do it locally.

      January 18, 2011 at 2:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • b0bc4t

      That was my point too. We need to fix the root problems BEFORE making the country more dependent and forced to comply with Insurance companies. The requiremnts of the current HealthCare Reform should have always existed, and it is great that they are part of the reform, but we need some greater controls before we send the Insurance companies out to chip away at these gains.
      If we make everyone HAVE to get Insurance to PAY, and make hospitals dependent on Insurance companies for payment, we are giving them the keys to the kingdom. They have all the power... guiding patients, guiding doctors, guiding legislators .... are you SCARED yet? And the Lawyers are making sure that no one can do without Insurance, because you can't possibly shoulder the burden without them, and the doctors can't take the risk of a mistake, or even a litigious patient with enough chutzpah to hold out for a windfall, whether they suffered or not.

      Hospitals and doctors are deciding policy, treatment, equipment purchases and staffing based on payments, revenue projections, and decisions from the (generosity?) of Insurance companies. Patients are merely the assembly line widgets that they can check off on their billing quota sheets that they try to treat as quickly as possible while creatively
      billing the Insurance companies under whatever code will maximize their Explanation of Benefits return, walking a tightrope between routine practices and being rounded up for fraudulent billing practices.

      Nurses and doctors cringe at what they have to do to appease management, rather than how they would want to be treated themselves, or how they would want their family treated, knowing the inner workings of the machine. They just want to get through another day of working a relentless schedule, with diminishing staff and demands for shortcuts that feign efficiency while maximizing risk instead of proper patient care, or they have been pushed beyond caring.

      Tap the brakes and slow down this machine before we go off a cliff.

      January 18, 2011 at 4:01 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Sherri W.W.#1~ILLinois

    @LK[USARMY]and Paul,and others~you are so very right.But,then we got folks who are completely blind to even their own needs.And you got the ones who talk nutty about the Very Good President we are fortunate to have.There is no reasoning with these folks~you just have to let them go on,and come to a crisis in their own life where they have no help,or are told they,or a loved one cannot have a life~saving treatment because they hv No Ins!Or~the ins company they hv paid for a million yrs,DROPS them when they get sick~which everyone does,sooner or later. For the rest of us,lets move forward with Pres.Obama,and lets vote those Repubs/TP ,who vote to take away OUR ins while THEIR FAMILIES have GREAT INS~lets vote those people BACK OUT IN 2012! Where are the JOBS Mr.Boehner? Remember the jobs~~~~

    January 18, 2011 at 12:27 pm | Report abuse |
  4. PartisanSheep

    Ever notice how most government social programs are not designed to teach men how to fish? They always are designed to keep a steady stream of needy (voters) without ever fixing the causes for the need. I want health reform, but I don't like the way it was done with all the earmarks. If a bill is really good it should pass on it's merits alone. I fear the Republicans don't want anything made easier for the hard working people of this country.

    January 18, 2011 at 12:28 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Sherri W.W.#1~ILLinois

    Also~under the HCR Bill,if you do not have the MEANS to buy insurance~the Govt.will PAY for your ins.How can folks be so silly? And,they will say"I dont hv to drive so I am not forced to buy car ins"! Does ANYBODY know how stupid THAT sounds? You may not drive~but very likely will WITHOUT ins till you get caught,if you are of that mindset.But~for damn sure~you WILL need medical care someday,for injury or illness~and since I have paid for MY ins all these years~I DONT care to pay YOUR hospital bill!

    January 18, 2011 at 12:38 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Mike

    @Scotty

    I understand the whole Libertarian thing. I really do. (I don't quite get why most Libertarians aren't firm ACLU supporters also, as the ACLU is about protecting Civil Liberties [freedom], but I digress) But, you sir are taking the cowards road. It very easy to paint the world with a broad brush and apply a philosophical set of rules to everything. The problem with that is the world is so much more infinitely complicated then that. A set of rules that works for many things, doesn't necessarily work for everything. You need to take each issue on by itself and solve it accordingly. I assume that you are a capitalist, or at least, you believe in the free market. I do as well. In terms of allocating scarce natural resources, there is no better system in the world, bar none. It is efficient and self correcting. And it works, most of the time. The problem is that people look at the free market system, and sees how well it works in many situations and assume that it works well in all situations. Unfortunately, this is completely false. There ARE situations where the free market is NOT the best. For example, in situations where services are provided to large groups of people in which most people may never even use the service. The military is a good example. As a citizen of this country, I have never had a need to call the army (or marines) for anything. Not once. But, simply by living in this country, this service is provided for me (whether I use it or not, whether I need it or not). The borders are protected regardless. Now, in a free market economy, the price for this service would be determined by the intersection of the supply curve and the demand curve. Without even considering the issues of allowing more then one supply, the demand portion would vary from person to person. People living on the border of Mexico right now would have a large demand for it. People on the border of Canada (or in the interior of the country) would not. In the end, I would doubt that the equilibrium price set by the intersection of the supply curve and the demand curve would support our military. Many people would simply not see a need for it, and "take their chances" on people trying to invade this country. I certainly would. The same is true with the fire department (and police department). These are services that you may never need to call upon in your life, but are vital services none the less. These are services that everyone pays for because everyone benefits from them (whether they are utilized or not). And none of these services exist because of the profit motive.

    January 18, 2011 at 12:52 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Sherri W.W.#1~ILLinois

    @PartisanSheep~Good Lord~You have to wonder if the Repubs have the interests of working people in mind? I grew up in a Repub family.Trust me~Republicans have NEVER had the working man in their mind for one minute! Most Repubs have plenty~or used to~now with the TP mixed in,I see Repub folks going downhill fast too!But for Dems,we would have no social security,medicare,medicaid,unemployment ins,no social programs~which ANYONE can find themselves in need of,at any time.So,if you have worked hard and paid taxes,then you need not feel guilty if you need some help our taxes pay for.For the very poorest,we will not be America.or Americans,if we do not help those neighbors in need! Remember Christina Taylor Green?~We would all do well to NEVER forget her! Lets move on to help ALL of us get a better life~and for that~right now~we NEED the President we HAVE until 2016~no doubt at all about that. Send these other folks,who do not care about us,on their way fast!

    January 18, 2011 at 12:56 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Mike

    Also, you fall back to the slippery slope argument. Despite how I feel about the whole slippery slope defense as a whole, in this specific situation (see, you can't just apply a set of rules to everything, you need to look at each situation), the slope is most certainly NOT slippery. In fact it's not even a slope. Seeing how difficult it was to pass the health care bill in the first place, there is basically a 0% chance that ANOTHER bill would be passed expanding it. So in this particular case, that defense rings hollow.

    I would be interested in hearing about any other SPECIFIC issues you have with this bill, though (as I always only hear gleaming generalities when it is criticized ). For example, I hear that it would be "job-killing", though I have never heard it explained how, or why.

    January 18, 2011 at 1:06 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Sherri W.W.#1~ILLinois

    @Mike#43~I had to read it a couple times,to take it all in,but you certinly are right~just never thought about things exactly that way before.Oh,.I believe the same~that is just a great way to say it! I wonder now~would all the folks yelling about Border Enforcement~which we hv to have~what would they say if the Govt said"well,since its only you few states that really NEED it so bad~YOU got to pay for all of it!? Wow~you hit something with that analogy!Would folks also be stupid enough to opt out of Fire&Police protection because"they might never need it"? I live in a small town with a wonderful Fire/EMS/police presence.I consider myself to live a pretty safe life,but twice over the years,I have found myself badly hurt and in need of immediate help~and I got it.Both were stupid accidents I could never hv foreseen~falls with head and neck injurys~once at the grocery store for heavens sake! Both times,wonderful people were right there to help me~and I even had insurance to pay some of the hospital bills~cost me about $2000 each time~better than the $50,000 it cost the ins co.!

    January 18, 2011 at 1:22 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Sherri W.W.#1~ILLinois

    Oh~and Mike~you are also right that the Repubs NEVER intend to REPLACE the HCR BILL! Thats a lie and total nonsense,that they have ANY plan at all.Did you ever see THEM putting a Healthcare plan thru?No~and you wont either.~Are they working on jobs?~No~they are wasting OUR time and $~THEN they are ALL goin on a PAID FOR RETREAT at the end of this week! I Love It~Duh~they are "not really"worried if your family is warm or has food~THEIRS will have plenty at the retreat.Our President and SOME of the Dems,are the only ones worryin about whats gonna happen to US,thats for sure! God Bless.I got work to do.

    January 18, 2011 at 1:37 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Martin

    Healthcare what a joke , yea it help so much with so many, took my healthcare cost from 486.00 a yr, to 656.00 a month, oh j just like having Ins forced on us, they say it will save US (the people) money. it just so all those family they have can keep there Jobs & money going to them, it is not about the people. Oh & lets not forget, they need more money to run this, but it will cost more not to run this!, How, Jobs are gone, they wont come back here till it save them money to come back to the U.S.A

    January 18, 2011 at 1:47 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Mike

    I have read some posts where people refer to groups as a whole. "The republicans" this, and "the lefties" that. This issue has nothing to do with Democrats, Republicans, right wing, left wing, whatever. The issue at hand is the health care bill. It doesn't matter what any of these groups have done in the past, or what they will do in the future. None of that has any bearing on if the health care bill should be repealed or not. I think if we can limit the discussion here strictly to the issue at hand, and only to facts, it would result in a much more civil discussion. It IS possible to discuss this issue without resorting to gleaming generalities.

    January 18, 2011 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Scotty

    @ Havildar, Are you really so blind to believe that with a stroke of a pen you are now worry free of all responsibility towards your healthcare? Do you chase every carrot dangled in front of you, singing free free free gimmie gimmie gimmie without ever thinking about the consequences. Ever hear of a loan shark, or thugs collecting "protection money". Once you go down certain roads there is no turning back and you will be a slave to a new master every time you give an inch of your God given freedom away for something "free".

    January 18, 2011 at 2:30 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Mike

    @Scotty

    The health care bill was never about giving health care away for free. If it was, they would just eliminate the insurance companies all together and have the government pay for all medical bills. This is most certainly NOT the case. This bill was never, NEVER about getting rid of the insurance companies, and never about giving away "free" health care. This bill was also never about relinquishing personal responsibility towards health care. It is in fact doing exactly the opposite. It is forcing people to responsibility for their own health care.

    January 18, 2011 at 2:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scotty

      But it is Mike it is. This bill is a stepping stone to do exactly that. Soon after taking control of regulating and mandating the industry how long will it take to say Hey we can convince the people that we can save even more money and offer more free services if we just eliminate the "middle man". If this Bill takes effect as written it won't be 10 years until exactly that takes place. Ever hear of a gov program that backed off and shrank after the initial "problem" was solved.

      January 18, 2011 at 2:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      What free service are you referring to?

      January 18, 2011 at 3:33 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Mike

    Again with the slippery slope. Again, I don't buy it. As I stated earlier, not only is the slope not slippery, there is no slope at all. The current current bill took a MONUMENTAL effort to pass. I doubt that you will ever see that kind of political will again in your lifetime. Politicians don't have the spine. Also, this was never about saving money. This was about making health care available to more people.

    January 18, 2011 at 3:34 pm | Report abuse |
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