Utah may adopt a state gun
Utah is trying to adopt the Browning M1911 handgun as its state gun 100 years after the U.S. Army began using it.
January 26th, 2011
06:38 PM ET

Utah may adopt a state gun

Utah has a state flower, a state fossil, a state cooking pot and 21 other official symbols. It might soon add a state gun.

The state House passed a measure Wednesday, by a 51-19 vote, that would make the Browning M1911 pistol - designed by Utah’s John Moses Browning in the early 20th century - the state firearm. The bill now goes to the state Senate.

The bill's sponsor, Republican Rep. Carl Wimmer, has said the measure aims to honor Browning. His M1911 was used as a standard U.S. Army sidearm from 1911 to 1985, according to the Browning manufacturing company's website and Jane's Infantry Weapons.

The measure has attracted criticism from anti-gun activists and some state House members. Some lawmakers argued in debate Wednesday that it was insensitive after the January 8 shooting in Tucson, Arizona, that killed six and wounded 13, including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, according to The Salt Lake Tribune.

One state lawmaker, Democratic Rep. Carol Moss, said during Wednesday's debate on the House floor that in addition to her concerns regarding the Arizona shooting, she was worried that children would see things such as coloring books featuring the gun along with the other state symbols, the Tribune reported.

Steve Gunn of the Gun Violence Prevention Center told CNN affiliate KSL last month - before the Tuscon shooting - that he thought the proposal was in bad taste.

"I would nominate arsenic as our state poison, because, of course arsenic is often a byproduct of our state mining industry," Gunn sarcastically told KSL in December.

Wimmer told KSL this week that "this pistol is Utah," and its history "is emblazoned on our state." He added that rather than gloryfying an implement of death, as he said some critics charged, "we're glorifying an implement of freedom that has defended us for 100 years."

During Wednesday's debate, one lawmaker suggested erecting a statue of Browning instead, but Wimmer countered that his plan was the only way to honor the gun designer without costing taxpayers, the Tribune reported.

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  1. John

    Without our firearm industries we would all be goose stepping right now. We honor every other industry that helps preserve our freedoms, why not these guys? The anti gun movement is a small minority. The rest of us in the majority would like to say, Shut the hell up and go away!

    January 27, 2011 at 12:05 am | Report abuse |
    • Alec

      you sir, are a tool. so we should honor the firearms industry because of the second amendment. we don't honor any 'industries' that preserve our right to pursue happiness, or our right to freedom of religion, because they don't exist. People with opinions that are different from your's aren't going to just "go away." So get used to it.

      January 27, 2011 at 12:46 am | Report abuse |
  2. mike

    If guns kill people then hamburgers make people fat. lets ban those also and take care of obesity also. Obesity kills more Americans each year then guns do!

    January 27, 2011 at 12:06 am | Report abuse |
    • mike

      I of course am for the state gun if you didn't pick up on that! I am a acctiffin permit holder and the 1911. Is a good carry gun! Love mine

      January 27, 2011 at 12:10 am | Report abuse |
  3. Real †

    Utah: the only state run by a cult.

    January 27, 2011 at 12:10 am | Report abuse |
  4. conoclast

    No matter who designed it, it's odd that a state would pick a self-defense weapon as the "state gun" (which is in itself pretty odd!). The Browning .45 did NOT win the west!

    January 27, 2011 at 12:14 am | Report abuse |
  5. Jenna

    Please know that not all of us who live in Utah are ignorant or religious zealots. I am not a Mormon but it really irritates me when people constantly criticize them. Most of them are wonderful people who truly believe in family values. It would be nice if more people had these same values.

    January 27, 2011 at 12:18 am | Report abuse |
  6. Aaron Netanya

    Wow... what a dumb political move in order to preserve gun rights... right wingers have this huge delusion that somehow if all the citizens had guns we could protect ourselves from a corrupt government... yeah right... the military would overpower us, and even if the us military turned against the govt, the govt would still have the power to defend itself and throw down resistance. And for the argument that good guys should have access to weapons if bad guys have it... that's stupid... most cops spend their entire lifetime without even drawing their weapon... and a lot of crimes are commited by bad guys stealing and using the good guys guns. Take public housing for example... the crime there leads to theft of the registered guns, and are used on helpless people. We should follow the UK and many other countries and ban civilian guns altogether.

    Guns dont kill people.... people kill people.... with guns.

    January 27, 2011 at 12:19 am | Report abuse |
    • Paul

      Where is the logic in banning guns? You assume that if you make them illegal, the criminals will obey? The harsh reality is that criminals will always have guns. I, for one, do not want to face a situation like that with nothing to defend myself and my family. I will always own a gun for that reason. There is absolutely no sense in trying to ban guns. It will most definitely not keep them out of the hands of bad people. Maybe we should also try to ban alcohol as it is the cause of so much grief...oh that's right..we tried that and it didn't work.

      January 27, 2011 at 12:26 am | Report abuse |
    • mike

      2ed amendment....if u don't like it move to the UK....new statistic. More people killed in auto wrecks a year then by guns. out law cars also? I can do this all day!!!

      January 27, 2011 at 12:28 am | Report abuse |
  7. Bear

    For the record, as a Master-At-Arms in the US Navy, I was still using the 1911 .45 pistol as issued equipment aboard ship. The 1985 statement is inaccurate...

    January 27, 2011 at 12:19 am | Report abuse |
  8. GoRemote

    I have one......Very good gun......Rock solid.

    January 27, 2011 at 12:20 am | Report abuse |
  9. white castle

    great point mike my family was taken out by cheesburgers

    January 27, 2011 at 12:20 am | Report abuse |
  10. one armed bandit

    – hey all – i think the stste gun should be the 50 cal. -but it would be a ego-phalic thing "feel the power :} issue

    anyways – for the gun control nuts out there – remember these haunting words you about to hear- in regaurds to public safety – police and security guards – can not defend you all the time 24/7 – most of the time they can – do reports take photos then goi arrest people "AFTER A CRIME HAS BEEN COMITTED " so i would ask – what would you do if you seen a gang walking up drawing pistols about ready to rob you and shoot you and harm your family --i would ask – are you still for gun control – or are you now pro self defence -why take guns from law abbiding citizens ?they dont need control – its tye crimminals that do -and the criminals could care less abot laws you make – it never stops them because they never follow laws – nope – an armed public is a secure public – and politicians should never have say over a civilian right of the second amendment – that right is to protect the civilians from the politicians and the military – in the event of a tryanical king or a corrupt dictatior who uses the military services against the citizens of a free state – so all you gun control freaks – watch and learn – what happens when guns are taken away from civilians – -look at mexico – the criminals are in charge and the miliatray and the police are corrupt and the people have no defence – and no power to change things -why you think they are comming here in droves – – wake up people . –if you dont youll be sheeple

    January 27, 2011 at 12:26 am | Report abuse |
    • one armed bandit

      im not anti govt nor a rebel or revolutionary – but i feel s long as im free and a legal gun owner – the folks that get elected will have to respect my lawful vote – i worry for this country – some day when the guns are all taken away that there votes will have nothing to back them thus be meaningless and the people will again be enslaved to a tryanical enslaving govt that does not recognise the peoples vote – im not a wacko – nor beleive in violence – but i do believe in security and self defnce and -hunting and providing for myself when money fails at times .i just worry that – a voters voice will be silenced one day as the politicians seize more control over the country than the people – and instead of a paid public servant – they will some day act as a master of the public and enslave the public – power is a addicting thing -so are other peoples moneys – if they dont earn it they never apreciate it – so greed is fed . and morals are tosssed along with civil rights . i if i dont like who is running the show – will lawfully vote for change or impeachment -i will remain lawfull as long as public vote is recognised . and i will abide by public laws and votes – i pity the mexicans truly als the idiots that promote gun control .

      January 27, 2011 at 12:37 am | Report abuse |
    • one armed bandit

      another small thing – guns knives axes-baseball bats -screwdrivers claw hammers -axes -golf clubs andcandlestick holders cars and semi trucks – all thes things are tools – they do not have a mind of there own they do not go out everyday hunting people – they are all tools used by people -it just happens every day some people deside to use them in crimes of homicide-or assualt or accidental death – the rest of americans – the lawful ones use them – as they are supposed to be used – as tools for various reasons – after guns – gun control people – what will you ban next -where will it stop – tier irons – -how about rocks /stones – try enforceing that one there all over anyone can pick them up any where – get real people . guns are not the problem – people and society are -and how they use guns . the 19111 has saved thousands of lives in several wars – brought many a veteran home – helped free many an inslaved nation – helped conquer evil by being used by good – give the gun the honnor it deserves dont vilify it – its just a damn good toll – i think ill go out and buy one – because its proven to work and gaurentees freedom and security in hostile -dangerous environments – and is an excelleant life preserver – sad part is it some times has to hurt lives or take lives to be a life preserver -and other sad points is its used to take lives by criminals that do not use the tool correctly according to the manufatures recomendations – wich are useually – "use it for hunting and use it for home security " – not to be used in crimes :} ..

      January 27, 2011 at 12:54 am | Report abuse |
  11. yadiladida

    In one year, cars murdered 43,510 people in the U.S. alone. Transportation is wrong.
    In one year, blunt force trauma murdered millions of people worldwide. Hard surfaces are evil.
    In one year, sharp objects caused countless deaths of living things across the globe. Sharp pointy objects are the devil.
    This message brought to you by the bubblewrap everything campaign, because inanimate objects are responsible for everything. Paid for by the bubblewrap producers association.

    January 27, 2011 at 12:26 am | Report abuse |
    • David

      Cars commit murder? Watch 'Christine' much?

      January 27, 2011 at 12:33 am | Report abuse |
    • Sherm

      Yeah, accidents are exactly like weapons.
      Thanks for being so sincere and rational.

      January 27, 2011 at 12:36 am | Report abuse |
    • Beratt24

      I don't understand your logic/comparison...you do realize none of those things you mentioned are designed for the sole purpose to kill? Last time I checked guns don't have a main function other then to end life....

      January 27, 2011 at 12:57 am | Report abuse |
    • Wyomingite

      Guns don't kill people, idiots kill people. The only bad gun is a gun in a moron's hand.

      January 27, 2011 at 12:59 am | Report abuse |
    • Ted

      you can't drive your kids to school or a loved one to the hospital in a gun.
      A gun won't keep out the cold and rain or protect you from the elements.
      G gun cannot be used as an instrument in brain surgery or a tool of healing.
      The only thing a gun can do is fire bullets and cause damage.
      These are false equivalencies. You are grasping at straws.

      January 27, 2011 at 1:14 am | Report abuse |
    • utah rules

      I do not believe this is a waste of taxpayer dollars, as some commenters have suggested.

      I believe that guns are important and having official state guns is one of our greatest priorities as a nation. We should definitely spend a lot of our time thinking about which gun to choose, and government workers should hold several meetings to debate this ever important issue. We should also hire consultants and experts to get their opinions on how to hold these meetings and how to choose the right gun. We should also purchase 22 thousand new state-of-the-art voting booths for the purpose of voting for an official state gun. I know that the new voting booths are coming from the governor's best friend's company. However, this is only a coincidence. The voting booths were selected only because they are excellent products, not because of any relation that exists between the governor and the company. I hope every state follows our example and considers holding two-hour, three-times-a-week meetings for selecting official guns. Each state shall spend no more than 1.5 billion dollars on this project.

      January 27, 2011 at 1:16 am | Report abuse |
    • obie

      freakin' liberals will ruin the earth if we let them

      January 27, 2011 at 1:17 am | Report abuse |
    • Bryce the Mormon

      I am sorry, but your comment is dumb and makes no sense. I live in Utah and a Mormon and think having a state recognize a gun as the "state gun" is utter nonsense. There is as much need to have a state pepper spray, state knife, or state taser as there is for a state gun. I hope you see my sarcasm. Whoever is waisting their time in the legislator to recognize a state gun needs to get out of politics or find something more valuable to spend my tax dollars on.

      January 27, 2011 at 1:28 am | Report abuse |
    • johnrj08

      This is a nonsensical post using logic that is commonly applied by the NRA and people who are obsessed with guns. When a person has a gun in his or her possession, it becomes a problem solving option. Human beings will utilize whatever means they have at their disposal to exact revenge or express rage. If they don't have access to a gun, they may use other weapons, such as knives, which are much more personal and require a measure of physical strength. A gun only requires a trigger finger and a moment of anger to cause the kind of brutal mayhem we've seen all too many times in our society. It is very difficult to penetrate a human skull with a knife. It's as easy as flicking a fly off the wall with a gun. And a semi-automatic, magazine-fed handgun is capable of killing more than 30 people in a matter of seconds. So this argument that people kill people, not guns, makes me ill.

      January 27, 2011 at 1:36 am | Report abuse |
    • matt


      January 27, 2011 at 2:23 am | Report abuse |
    • bozo

      John writes: "When a person has a gun in his or her possession, it becomes a problem solving option." Really?? What planet are you on.. you know nothing of what you speak.. that's just a very ignorant opinion based upon emotional irrationality... I have a gun, so every problem looks like a bullseye??!!! That is just absurd and demonstrates the irrationality and stupidity of your position and your thought..

      January 27, 2011 at 2:37 am | Report abuse |
    • Franklin

      "Last time I checked guns don't have a main function other then to end life...."

      What pathetic hogwash. The only purpose a gun has is the purpose given to it by it's owner. If a gun is only ever used to shoot beer cans, then that guns main function is to shoot beer cans. Your subjective and arbitrary projection of function pertains only to your own preconceived prejudices and in a sane society would have absolutely no bearing on laws governing the use of inanimate pieces of metal by sane, law abiding citizens.

      January 27, 2011 at 2:45 am | Report abuse |
    • Art In Chicago

      Stupid thoughts, bad logic, and ideologues, Beck, Palin, Limbaugh, and Hannity kill off trillions of braincells each and every day.

      January 27, 2011 at 2:48 am | Report abuse |
    • miksam

      At Sherm – How would you consider Hit & Runs? and there's plenty of history of using cars to run people down... Oh right – i'm missing the sincere and rational part...

      January 27, 2011 at 2:50 am | Report abuse |
    • Zac Schneider

      Car accidents are accidents, people who slip and fall do it accidentally, and not every sharp pointy object just happened to be lying there. The reason I don't like guns personally is that it is killing with intent, not killing with accident. My main problem with guns is not that I'm afraid of them in someone else's hands, I just don't want the power to end a life quickly in MY hands. And, by extension, other people's hands. Automobile's hard surfaces, and (most) pointy objects have benign designs, but guns were intended to hurt somebody.

      January 27, 2011 at 2:55 am | Report abuse |
    • john

      Why is everyone being so dumb about this. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. A gun is just like a kitchen knife.....it can be used to kill and prepare food or it can be used to kill people. 99% of all gun owners do not use them in a "bad" way. I know hundreds of people who hunt and use guns perfectly safely. Having a state gun is like having a state rock. A gun on the ground does no harm, just as a stone on the ground doesn't. Rocks have killed just as many people through the years as guns have. We need to outlaw all rocks as well if we are going to outlaw guns.

      January 27, 2011 at 3:40 am | Report abuse |
    • Margot707

      Sounds like you've been wearing your tin foil hat in the sun again. Don't you know you're not supposed to leave your mamma's basement with that thing on your head?

      January 27, 2011 at 3:42 am | Report abuse |
    • Don't be a Sucker


      January 27, 2011 at 4:28 am | Report abuse |
    • Doug

      Did your mother have any children that lived ? if so, how did you get to be so twisted ?

      January 27, 2011 at 5:23 am | Report abuse |
    • Jane

      Great answer! Don't pay attention to the libs, they look for anything to avoid personal responsibility. Your answer was spot on. A gun is a tool, EXACTLY like any other tool. But of course, Libs are tools too.

      January 27, 2011 at 6:30 am | Report abuse |
    • Jeff

      You forgot to mention that is most cases when a gun is used in a crime and the perpetrator is found, why do they always handcuff and cart off the the human being if the gun is to blame?

      January 27, 2011 at 7:29 am | Report abuse |
    • Soda Bob Curtis

      Violent crime has been in decline for years now (look up FBI Uniform Crime Reports), despite the ready availability of guns and the end of the Clinton era "assault weapons" ban (or, perhaps, because of those things). Sure, in a given year, a majority of murders were committed with guns (67% in 2009, for example). But also in cases where a law abiding citizen is forced to defend themselves (justifiable homicide), a gun is also used in a majority of cases.

      Other than murders, however, guns are used in very few violent crimes. In fact, fully 3/4 of all violent crimes are committed with a NON-firearm weapon (knives, baseball bats, bare hands, elbows, etc.).

      What it really comes down to is a matter of liberty. Are we going to let thugs make it so that law abiding citizens cannot arm themselves in the most effectual way for self defense?

      "The peaceable part of mankind will be continually overrun by the vile and abandoned while they neglect the means of self defense... arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe and preserve order in the world." – Thomas Paine

      If you don't believe it... go live in a country like Somalia, where VERY FEW people own guns... or England, who (despite a ban on personal arms) has more violent crime than the US or any other country in Europe – including Switzerland, where almost every person owns a gun – or even South Africa. In fact, according to these stats, we have a lower rate of violent crime than Austria, Sweden, Belgium, Finland, Netherlands, Luxembourg, France... or even Canada – all of which have much more restrictive civilian access to legal firearms.


      January 27, 2011 at 7:39 am | Report abuse |
    • Linda

      How about a muzzle loader for the state gun? At least then you have to think about shooting a bit. Plus, I already have one!

      January 27, 2011 at 7:47 am | Report abuse |
    • Sleestak

      You're absolutely right, in fact, I caught my Nissan Xterra trying to break into my gun cabinet one afternoon when it thought I was out on the motorcycle. It's not allowed in the garage anymore.

      January 27, 2011 at 11:20 am | Report abuse |
    • magnimus

      Guns are designed to kill, what many liberals neglect to point out (so I will do it for them) is that some people need killing. I have been fortunate that I have never gotten to the point where I had to shoot anybody; but there have been several instances where I have been attacked and had to draw a gun, on multiple assailants sometimes, and I would not be alive if I had not been armed. Also, having a state gun is AWESOME!!!

      January 27, 2011 at 5:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tyler


      January 27, 2011 at 9:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scott Rensch

      There is one basic flaw in anti-gun reasoning, and that is that objects (including guns) don't kill people...people kill people. Browning's creation has helped to defend American soldiers and our national interests across numerous decades in every locale around the globe. The idea is to honor the man, a native of their state, and the freedom he ultimately helped to protect. If their duly-elected legislature decides that is a proper form of homage, who are you to say otherwise?

      January 28, 2011 at 9:15 am | Report abuse |
  12. Philip

    I'm not against guns, I've owned several myself. I just wish that those who carry handguns would just admit that they do so because they are more afraid than those of US who don't.

    January 27, 2011 at 12:28 am | Report abuse |
    • Wzrd1

      It's cowardly to want to protect my wife? Then call this old, recently retired 18D a coward.
      What is interesting is that I've been in a few Persian Gulf countries that I never felt the need to carry a firearm. Only when I came home.
      But then, I've been in the middle of a few firefights here at home that I'd NEVER have expected. Overseas, it was rather expected...

      As for The M1911 being Utah's state gun, why not? I can't think of a better way than to commemorate Old Man Browning and his genius AND the millions of his weapons that spent nearly a century (and one that HAS spent a century in our military inventory.
      He also designed the M2 .50 caliber machine gun, which is in use to this very day in the war zone.

      January 27, 2011 at 1:16 am | Report abuse |
    • obie

      It all depends on where YOU live

      January 27, 2011 at 1:19 am | Report abuse |
    • obie

      So you admittedly carry and the only other people that do are in control of their lives.I carry because you are not qualified to do so

      January 27, 2011 at 1:23 am | Report abuse |
    • Darth Vadik, CA

      I would like to agree that people with guns are cowards, but it really is not true. Having a gun does give you a sense of "power", a sense of "I'm in control now", but in reality it is a false sense of power and you'll probably more likely hurt yourself or someone you love with that gun than anything else. It's a false sense of security, but it is in our nature...as someone once told me "every time you feel like you're powerful, try to go out in the ocean and stop a wave"

      January 27, 2011 at 2:36 am | Report abuse |
    • blucorsair

      It sounds to me that you're saying that our all volunteer army and the enlisted civilian police force are cowards ...its quite the contrary, cowards are against freedom, guns and things they don't understand! Calling your fellow citizens who protect wussies like yourselves demonstrates an intense hatred towards your fellow man much like your liberal buddy that shot congress woman Gabby in AZ. Its appearing more and more like Mr. Longhner shot her, because she spoke out against Nancy Pelosi as the Democrat minority speaker!!! ...your "cowardly" liberal media won't be able to cover this fact up to much longer!

      January 27, 2011 at 2:40 am | Report abuse |
    • Ben

      YBP, experience a home break in by several intruders, and then tell me how long it takes for the police to get there. If it's quicker than it takes to load, rack, and remove the trigger lock off of my shotgun, then sure, I'll give it up.

      Until then, pull your idealistic head out of your rectum and live somewhere other than a cushy suburb.

      January 27, 2011 at 2:49 am | Report abuse |
    • MG.

      I agree with you blucorsair, the real cowards here are the ones that depend on the gov't to wipe their behinds and protect their pitiful lives. Unfortunately, these liberals don't understand the concept of "We the People" who are ordinary civilians that embody our gov't.and not the other way around!!! ..."those that would trade their liberty for the sake of security deserve neither ..John Q. Adams"

      January 27, 2011 at 3:03 am | Report abuse |
    • mark

      Phillip, it's interesting that you try to say that you have owned several guns then go on to infer that you no longer do because you are more enlightened than the rest of us. Please just admit that you are the typical liberal who is trying to foist gun control off on the rest of the nation because you are, personally, afraid of guns or because you, personally, think you are more enlightened than the rest of us.

      I am a former law enforcement officer, retired military, former firefighter/EMT. I have used firearms in the performance of my duty as well as having worked on people who have been shot. The news sources and groups which persons such as yourself use as a resource are disengenuous at best. They talk about "children" being killed and harmed by firearms, yet NEVER tell you what their definition of children is...12-26 year olds. Interesting, when it comes to overruling parental controls these same sources claim that any person of the age of 15 is mature enough (read "adult") to make their own decisions. In addition, these same sources refuse to include the fact that most of these "children" are gang members. As such, there is a much deeper reason for why they commit crimes or are exposed to violent acts. Yet, NONE of that is ever addressed by these same sources. In fact, they even cry foul if you dare bring it up. So, I would suggest you consider your sources and take THEM to task rather than those of us who realize that law enforcement will almost never arrive before a crime is committed, nor will they be able to prevent a crime in most cases, unless they enforce those laws most liberals such as yourself oppose, because you consider such enforcement harrassment.

      January 27, 2011 at 8:09 am | Report abuse |
    • Soda Bob Curtis

      That quote about safety and freedom is Franklin, not Adams, and the quote's not quite right.

      "They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." – Ben Franklin

      That idea that one is more likely to hurt a loved one with a personal firearm is goofy. Owning a gun is safer than going to the doctor (0.5% of accidental deaths involve firearms, whereas medical mistakes account for 1.7%), and doesn't even come close to other sources of accidental death (like falls, poisonings, drownings, or motor vehicle accidents).

      In fact, as gun ownership has increased, gun accidents have decreased.


      January 27, 2011 at 8:13 am | Report abuse |
  13. Bob

    People kill.. guns just make it easier.

    January 27, 2011 at 12:30 am | Report abuse |
    • YBP

      Bravo, Bob. Gun toters don't want to accept the reality or the responsibility for their degenerate culture. A gun has one purpose: to inflict deadly harm. It has no place in a civilized society.

      The second Amendment is about the right to bear a musket, not a semi-automatic. It's a law from another time and place.

      January 27, 2011 at 12:42 am | Report abuse |
    • Ruby

      Actually YBP, some did have rifles back then. The German long rifles were quite the advantage over the English musket and may have helped the militia of the time in winning the War of Independence. But what honorable person could possibly have a reason for keeping, or even carrying, a handgun?

      January 27, 2011 at 1:11 am | Report abuse |
    • Erasmus

      YBP, where is musket?

      A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

      January 27, 2011 at 1:34 am | Report abuse |
    • Ben

      YBP, if that's the case, then Freedom of Speech only applies to printing presses and newspapers.

      January 27, 2011 at 2:30 am | Report abuse |
  14. David

    So if you kill someone with the state gun, does that affect the sentence?

    January 27, 2011 at 12:30 am | Report abuse |
    • Pete


      January 27, 2011 at 4:22 am | Report abuse |
    • Wzrd1

      Yes. You'd be in a state of grace. 😉

      January 27, 2011 at 11:54 am | Report abuse |
  15. zaphod2000

    So many other problems and these idiots in utah can't come up with anything else really worthy? A state gun? What's next a state statue to bedbugs?

    January 27, 2011 at 12:31 am | Report abuse |
    • Wzrd1

      YBP, what church IS "valid" then?

      January 27, 2011 at 1:21 am | Report abuse |
    • Pete

      Wzrd, none of them.

      January 27, 2011 at 4:23 am | Report abuse |
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