Fired Navy commander: My bosses knew about raunchy videos
Owen Honors says senior leadership gave "tacit approval" of controversial on-board videos.
January 31st, 2011
12:32 PM ET

Fired Navy commander: My bosses knew about raunchy videos

The Navy commander fired for making racy videos and broadcasting them on a ship says that the movies had the "tacit approval" of senior Navy leadership, the Navy Times reports.

Owen Honors' statement to investigators, obtained by the Navy Times, marks the first time his side of the story has been made public.

Honors made headlines for days in early January when the videos were published on the Virginian-Pilot newspaper site. The films included a simulated rectal exam, anti-gay slurs and sailors pretending to shower with each other aboard ship. In early January, Honors was removed from his post commanding the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise.

An official 15-page statement that Honors gave to Navy investigators states that two commanding officers, two strike group admirals "and myriad other senior military and civilian distinguished visitors" were aware of the videos, according to the Navy Times.

Honors made the videos in 2006 and 2007 when he was executive officer of the Enterprise, and they were discussed during meetings with the ship's commanding officer and other leadership, the Navy Times reports. During these conversations, Honors received “encouraging feedback” about the content of the movies and was never told to stop making them, according to the report.

Honors' superiors did not respond to Navy Times' requests for comment.

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  1. browntree

    This was so blown out of proportion. I thought the videos were funny what was in those videos was nothing worse than a typical episode of Family Guy. People need to lighten up...

    January 31, 2011 at 3:58 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Curious

    I haven't seen the videos; but ruining this officer's career over them seems like overreaction in the name of political correctness. After all, not only should we have some respect for his future, especially in light of his good record, but we also had a considerable investment of our own in this officer. Why flush that all down the tubes, just because, several years after the event, some civilians found the humor in the videos too raunchy?

    January 31, 2011 at 3:58 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Buster Bloodvessel

    Cool, so fire them too. Everyone moves up one rank and the show goes on. No one is irreplaceable, and people who make HUGE INSANE TACTICAL BLUNDERS like this need to retire before they get someone killed.

    January 31, 2011 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
  4. John/kc

    Captain Honors is a scape goat of his superiors. First of all, if you have never served in the military, then you have no business on this blog. That being said, the Captain should not have been fired for this infraction. If there was a problem, it should have been handled back in 2006 not 2011. This could have been corrected without all the fanfare and discipline against this commander. His people loved this guy and would have followed him gladly into harms way! He must have been pretty good at being a commander or he wouldn't have been put in charge of the Enterprise.

    January 31, 2011 at 4:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Buster Bloodvessel

      "you have never served in the military, then you have no business on this blog" Heh. Come over here and make me leave, swabbie. If this were a military matter, then every old cat lady, pimp, and migrant worker in the world wouldn't be laughing at it and telling you what they think. "Honors" has let the US down in a big way, and it is now officially everybody in the world's joke to laugh at, and why are we reading it again today instead of letting it DIE QUIETLY? Because your man Honors is calling a PRESS CONFERENCE!! And you wanna make it Navy business only? Way too late.

      January 31, 2011 at 4:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lanfear

      Oh please. No business posting on this blog? That's your typical narrow-mindedness military for you. You're a soldier? Your job is to take orders, not write rules.

      January 31, 2011 at 4:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kelcy

      I guess you are just not getting the chain of events here. Honors was crude, rude and socially unacceptable. He acknowledged that there were complaints levied against him by crew members who found him not to be quite as funny as he saw himself. He then proceeded to call these people cowards and to lay it on even thicker. I don`t call them cowards. I call them smart. Anyway, those complaints clearly made if off ship because the Navy did investigate these years worth of crude, rude and socially unacceptable videos. The Navy decided to dismiss the issue as not germane to good order and conduct. Honors then made O-6 which by most measures of success is considered to be a highly successful achievement in the military. To that he was made captain of the USS Enterprise which marks him as headed for greater glory.

      Clearly this did not sit well with those who made the original complaints or perhaps with those who had participated in the original investigation and were unsatisfied with "boys will be boys and this was all in good fun" response from the investigation. When news that the individual they clearly see as a dirtbag was to get continue moving up the ladder and would be in a position to really promulgate his crude, rude and socially unacceptable behavior on an even grander scale they took steps into their own hands and released the videos. The videos speak for themselves. Only the Navy can explain why they took no action.

      This is nothing new by the way. One an AF four star was being moved from point A to point B. He had a long history of crude, rude, socially unacceptable and beyond the pale behavior and commentary. There were several immediate calls to the IG. Unfortunately for those that took umbrage had his potty mouth they had nothing on video. The victims of his verbal assaults made no complaints.....who would? He was a four star. Today, however, I would bet that at least a few of those behaviors would have been discreetly videotaped and made it to the Internet as well.

      In Honors case that wasn`t even necessary. He had them videotaped himself for posterity.

      As a retired O-6 I do feel I am in a position to comment on Honors behavior. It was reprehensible. Had he worked for me he would never have made more than one such video. Had he continued to do so or bad mouthed me for shutting his performance down then I can guarantee he would have had a fit rep of vanilla pudding and just enough of the right words to ensure he never made O-6. And he would have been thankful for only that. (I`ve discussed with my fellow retired O-6 buddies to be sure I wasn`t being too harsh..... nope, I`m being nice.)

      He is getting what he deserves. And he is right.... his bosses gave their tacit approval. They should be fired as well. And be happy to be retiring at the ranks they are. Honors should also be thankful that all he has lost is his command. If he stays hunkered down he might be able to retire as an O-6 versus an O-5. Possibly not if he tries too hard to throw those bosses into the briny deep.

      January 31, 2011 at 4:29 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Wobh

    It sure seems like he has been sacpegoated. There is no way the videos could have been used without the approval of those higher up. There seems to be a very serious shortfall with the Navy brasses intregrity inventory.

    January 31, 2011 at 4:05 pm | Report abuse |
  6. sneakipete

    Former Marine is absolutely WRONG!! My Seabee son took a hit for a Navy Senior Cheif's screw up. Seabee followed an order from Senior that was distasteful to the Master Chief. Instead of dealing with the Senior, it rolled downhill to the Seabee and ended his carerr. There is NO - absolutely NO - honor, ethics, or loyalty in the military. Leadership can't spell it much less practice it.

    I believe 100% Navy Commander Honors' story. His leadership knew it, and they let it go until pressure from those who found it distasteful can to bear. Things like this don't happen without knowledge. Only a real man stands up and own his responsibliity. Military leadership is weak!

    January 31, 2011 at 4:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • CitizenSoldier

      Your son got the boot for his supiroirs stupidity that means he might not have honnor integrity or even self-respect for that matter but how dare you label those of us you dont know who are out there day in day out who id like to add you dont know in with that type of person for that matter if you see some one who shops at the dollar store is poor or are they trying to save a few bucks is every person in a bar an alcholic or having a beer with some friends you dont know us dont try to label what you dont know does that mean i think your son was treated fair i dont know maybe he told you some BS about being ordered to and it bitting him in the ass or maybe thats what actually happend but i Dont know so i wont judge see how it works

      January 31, 2011 at 4:25 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Doinitalone

    OF COURSE his supervisors knew of the video, just as my husband's supervisor's knew of my husbands bad behavior!! As a Naval Officer aboard an aircraft carrier, my husband engaged in fraternization with the mechanic in his squadron while they were forward deployed. And yes, the entire ready room knew about it as well as the xo and skipper. I'm am a STAUNCH patriot but give me a BREAK! I'm so sick of everyone believing that this behavior, of officers especially, is just "normal behavior." It's wrong, wrong, wrong. If you're given a commission in the military, please behave in the manner fitting an OFFICER, not a pre-pubescent boy!!

    January 31, 2011 at 4:09 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Mike

    This is what political correctness does to everything. It has no place in the Military. All that political correctness is going to do for our military is remove all of the true leaders and the people willing to speak their mind. I am sure the liberals will be thrilled when we are ranked the least effective military force in the world instead of the one everyone fears. Liberals are like the French, when the Nazi’s are sipping tea in Paris all of a sudden the French wanted them out. Well, when our military is a joke and we are being attacked on all sides and from every direction they will want a good fighting force but all they will get is Political Correctness, and the best of the ones who are willing to put up with that crap. If we keep this crap up we are all screw*d. What happened to majority rules?????

    January 31, 2011 at 4:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • tct

      Majority rules doesn't apply in the military and he violated rules in place for officers since at least the 1930s, it isn't political correctness.

      January 31, 2011 at 4:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Buster Bloodvessel

      Mike, in the military it's not "let's vote on it, sir" but "SIR YES SIR!" There's no 'majority rules' in a military command structure. He goofed, and brought shame on everyone. They might have known, but he was the one who did it. Time for him to take his pension and stfu.

      January 31, 2011 at 4:17 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Kelcy

    CAPT Honor.... no one thought your bosses had not given you tacit approval to do what you did. That they did is bad on them. They too should be fired. It certainly does not excuse you for being stupid yourself. As a retired O-6 I have discussed this with other retired O-6s and we all agree..... we would have shut you down and if you persisted then your fit reps would have so reflected it. You were to be beyond the pale, crude, rude and socially unacceptable. Your job was to lead by example. You are not the example I would want to lead my troops into battle. To add to it all you are not fighting to ensure your bosses who tacitly approved of your course behavior really are fired.... you go for it guy.

    January 31, 2011 at 4:13 pm | Report abuse |
  10. joesmith

    maybe the investigative team from the Navy, that has done such a superlative job getting the goods on the Commander, could loan their services to the Wheeler investigation, after all, some Navy are on the Vietnam War Memorial wall..

    January 31, 2011 at 4:13 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Butch

    OK, enough already. Stop the double standard. His off-color jokes were, well, off-color but entertaining. While on the subject of entertainment, all you who think the Captain was wrong, the next time you watch a off-color movie, stage show, or comedy routine, don't laugh but you must immediately stand up, inform all present how off-color the material is and demand some one be fired for making and distributing such awful stuff. Oh but first, ask your self why you were there in the first place? And i hope you didn't laugh either. Hypocrites!!!

    January 31, 2011 at 4:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Todd

      And if the jokes were about blacks, Jews, Mexicans... you'd be ok with this?

      January 31, 2011 at 4:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Todd

      And keep in mind, DADT was in place because gays were somehow less moral than breeders. So, are shows like this the epitome of morality, or not?

      January 31, 2011 at 4:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lanfear

      The next time I go to a movie, I will expect to be entertained in such a manner and will enjoy it.
      At work, when you're representing your Country, it's a far different story. You fail.

      January 31, 2011 at 4:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • ChiTown

      Wake up Butch...Apples and Oranges...If I (or anyone) goes to a raunchy or ribald movie that is our business. For Cpt. Honors to use US Government property and time to make such a film...and then to broadcast it aboard a US Naval Vessel as a "message" from a commanding officer is not only poor professional judgement but also arrogantly stupid....both poor attributes for Command. And now he's going to blame others for his poor judgement? Man up!

      January 31, 2011 at 4:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • M

      Lord Butch, you miss the point. Would it be ok if a police commissioner made and broadcast these to his police staff? Or a hospital administrator? This man showed a lack of professionalism and character, and as his fingers control everything up to and including nuclear capability, he is in no position to be trusted "across the board". His Top Secret Clearance should've already been suspended – it's done just for having debt!, and his future should not be what it was. BTW, if you haven't served in the military, please stop exercising your right to free speech that we defend and shut up already.

      January 31, 2011 at 5:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Willie12345

      The military brass oks and pays for lots of foul movies. It also brings people like Kathy Griffin on base to entertain the troops. So one act is bad and the other is acceptable? It's double standards all the way. Just look a Bill Clinton and see what double standards are all about.

      January 31, 2011 at 5:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • J

      Butch, your ignorance on the subject is glaring. As the XO on a US Navy Ship he was totally out of line making such a video. This has nothing to do with private entertainment. He showed a serious breach in professional conduct and what it means to set an example.

      January 31, 2011 at 5:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      Sorry, but In don't have a military code of conduct in effect in the comfort of my living room.

      January 31, 2011 at 5:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • MattinDC

      Butch-Boy is CLUELESS. The Navy ain't High School genius. Honors DESERVES what he gets which is NOTHING.
      (No Promotion)
      MattinDC

      January 31, 2011 at 5:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • BagelMan

      Okay then, it seems that you don't understand that there is a limit. If you are a commander of a ship, don't you think that the standards are higher for you and your men? I understand that Americans have double standards and so do you. But if we only focus on watered down convictions then maybe we should just all do whatever we want because no matter what we do, it's double standards. Yes, I agree it's double standards but we need to keep in mind that a leader's conduct is expected to be excellent and as a commander of a navy ship, he/she is required to set and lead by example.

      January 31, 2011 at 5:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      TO the person who said when your at work you should be not enterained? LETS ALL take a step back and look at common sense: You guys think he was making videos all day long nonstop not doign anythign else? i dont think so. YOu think its wrong to have a little fun ON YOUR BREAK? break time is YOUR time. you think becuase you wear the uniform you cant smile and laugh and joke around. WRONG AGAIN. GIVE ME A BREAK. PEOPLE ARE DYING AND STARVING AROUND US AND YOUR COMPLAINING ABOUT A VIDEO A CAPTIAN OF A SHIP MADE. PUHHHLEASE. GET A LIFE. If they were alll doing their jobs....protecting our country while laughing on the side, who the F cares? i mean really? once again, get a life people. oh btw im a member of the LGBT community. i really dont give a crap what they said about us. big deal. get over it. back to the getting a life thing.

      January 31, 2011 at 6:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Just a note.

      Bad comparison. Please check your context, he is a Naval Officer, he is not a professional comedian or actor, etc.

      thanks

      January 31, 2011 at 6:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tom Taylor

      Butch- you are wrong. When one puts on the uniform that person gives up certain "rights" they enjoyed when they were a civilian.
      A Commander in the United States Navy is and should be held to a higher esteeem. As soon as this childish film was realeased, the Commander lost his dignity and worse yet, his ability to command a row boat much less one of our largest ships.

      Regardless of what you think, he disgraced the Uniform, his Rank and the United States Navy.
      I served on a ship during Viet Nam, and I have to tell you, had our Captain always conducted himself as a Captain, at sea or on the beach. Every man on our ship respected and looked up to him.

      Tom Taylor

      January 31, 2011 at 6:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Emmanuel Goldstein

      >While on the subject of entertainment, all you who think the Captain was wrong, the next time you watch a off-color >movie, stage show, or comedy routine, don't laugh but you must immediately stand up, inform all present how off-color the >material is and demand some one be fired for making and distributing such awful stuff.

      What may be acceptable from Joe GI (or from Hollywood) may be completely unacceptable from a commanding officer.

      I don't have to listen to Joe GI or go to Hollywood movies.

      January 31, 2011 at 6:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Art In Chicago

      Don Rickles is one thing. The principal at your kid's school, or the commander of an aircraft carrier is another.

      January 31, 2011 at 6:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • JJ

      Butch, please, get, borrow or buy a clue. The captain of a US aircraft carrier is held to a different standard than the average Joe. It's one of those D-oh! things that everyone gets... except you.

      January 31, 2011 at 7:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ralphie!

      Amazing!

      I'll bet EVERY single reply to "Butch," thus far has been from someone a) gay; b) overly sensitive to the issues at hand. NONE of these replies (as best I can tell) orginate from anyone who has EVER beein in command of anything, much less a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier.

      The videos were, given today's climate, a rather poor idea and indeed in less-than-awesome taste.

      1. Why NOW, 3 years later, is this man being condemmed?
      2. Where is the punishment for the CO holding command when these tapes were made? They were approved by him prior to broadcast......
      3. A reprimand might have been enough here (which, by the way, would have ended the Captain's status as Rear Admiral Selectee, USN (two reaons – the Navy wouldn't have put him forth, and the President (being who he is!) would hardly have approved the wide one for this man).
      4. To trash a sailor and commander – over a tasteless video, that "insults," foks who have no legal right (as of the incident) to serve in the military is a travesty of juistice, and a huge waste of this man's talent.
      5. A sailing vessel, at sea, under command, with, by the way, 100 or so figher aircraft, nuclear weapons, and 45 other ships surrounding it, to say NOTHING of an Admiral in overarching command of the task force, is NOT the right instrument to use for statements of political correctness (no matter how well meant).

      This man should NOT, repeat, NOT have been releived over what is, after all, a minor incident discovered something like 3 years after it occured, and against which NOT ONE SAILOR under his command (or civilian, or ANYONE else) followed channels to protest or complain.

      You might guess I served aboard the Enterprise during the supposed :"horrors," occured, AND I am gay, and I am given recent legislation about to be reinstated as a member of our Navy.

      If I am not offended, the rest of you need to get a grip!

      January 31, 2011 at 7:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • THeAnalystMan

      It's the Military way nowdays, sacrifice the junior man.....

      January 31, 2011 at 8:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chaos

      "The military brass oks and pays for lots of foul movies. It also brings people like Kathy Griffin on base to entertain the troops. So one act is bad and the other is acceptable? It's double standards all the way"

      Only someone with a diminished intellect can't understand the difference between "foul" and hate directed at some crew. Only an imbecile doesn't recognize that a top officer acknowledging on a video that the video, as presented, is against regulations is insubordination. Only a fool thinks broadcasting insubordination to an entire crew has anything to do with showing a foul movie.

      January 31, 2011 at 8:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chaos

      This man should NOT, repeat, NOT have been releived over what is, after all, a minor incident

      Only an idiot thinks an XO broadcasting his contempt for command and regulations to his crew and directing his hate at members of his crewin the process is "a minor incident".

      January 31, 2011 at 8:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kevin

      I would. It is not much worse then rap songs or black comedy. Lets be honest, there is much much worse out there.

      January 31, 2011 at 8:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Barbara

      is thinking "butch" got kicked out of the navy... just saying

      January 31, 2011 at 8:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Derrick

      I'm glad Captain Honors finally stood up for himself. Of course his Captain knew about the videos. I know an aircraft carrier crew is big, but they are all on that ship for months so the CO must have known.

      President Obama should pardon Captain Honors and all involved...otherwise this will be a huge witch hunt.

      January 31, 2011 at 9:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • IronChef

      As they say in the Navy "Bravo Zulu" or well said. People forget that these are warships and not love boat cruise ships run by Disney. They have no idea of the tedium mixed in with extreme danger that a deployment entails, and it lasts for six months or more in a battle zone.

      January 31, 2011 at 9:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chaos

      "I'm glad Captain Honors finally stood up for himself."

      So much for all that pontificating you made about. the importance of personal responsibility and not blaming one's behavior on others.

      January 31, 2011 at 9:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • JET

      If you are offended by the content of my opinion ‘stand down!’ The military is made up of extremely hard working dedicated people. Granted what passes for humor is sometimes silly or stupid or frisky. Protecting the freedom of the innocent or the weak is not an easy business – laughter breaks stress. Back in the 90’s my late husband served on a ship that spent a solid 18 months straight in the Gulf supporting the 1st Gulf War buildup, war, and aftermath. The pressures they (and their families) face are enormous and the sacrifices they make tremendous. I served as a Navy Family Ombudsman and it was of no surprise to me that to work with the fellas I had to speak their language. Some of the briefings that I was in were intense (war ain’t pretty) and any humor that helped to lessen the stress and bond the crew together were welcome. As the only woman in the room I never went to wipe my eyes offended at the “harsh and raunchy language.” I accepted that appointment knowing full well it’s the way things are that boys will be boys and supported them. Language is nothing more than words. If those words build morale lightening the mood and promoting welfare and leading to recreation those are the 3 things needed the most by the end of a long day. The Navy calls it MWR and I sure as heck endorse it. Those of you who say the way things are has to be changed have never spent one day sacrificing your life for your country. Captain Honors did nothing wrong, he’s a hero to me. An officer who cared that much about his crew to put himself out there for being goofy and silly and funny. Does he really deserve to loose his career over things that happened YEARS ago? I say not. Captain Honors I salute you and invite others to man the rails with me – fair winds and following seas!

      January 31, 2011 at 10:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chaos

      "If you are offended by the content of my opinion ‘stand down!’ laughter breaks stress"

      Its not a matter of your opinion being offensive. rather its irrelevant and stupid. It doesn't matter what you did. It matters what the XO should have done. It doesn't matter if it was raunchy. He went on the attack against some of his crew. It doesn't matter if you don't care.

      "Language is nothing more than words."

      How pathetic. You just pontificated about these words as being ever so important stress reducers. Then you tell us they are 'nothing more than words. One minute they have meaning, the other, they don't. Try to be consistent next time.

      "Captain Honors did nothing wrong"

      Apparently you didn't watch it since he admitted he was doing something wrong right in the video.

      "An officer who cared that much about his crew to put himself out there for being goofy and silly and funny."

      OK Braintrust, you don't even know what the issue is. There is no controversy about him 'being goofy and silly and funny". There were countless ways to do that.

      "Those of you who say the way things are has to be changed have never spent one day sacrificing your life for your country."

      Translation: That's what they said about blacks in the military too as though service is a license for discrimination and bashing those under your command because its "funny".

      January 31, 2011 at 11:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • dre

      He's a Naval Commander. I'm pretty sure if he wants to make off color jokes, they should be kept private. He's not an actor or comedian, again, he's a naval commander.

      February 1, 2011 at 12:43 am | Report abuse |
    • Jim

      I commanded over 1,200 people (only about 1/6th the size of a carrier), and there is no way I would have tolerated that kind of conduct by myself or any of my officers or NCOs. Yes, officers are held to a higher standards. They are responsible for lives of those under their command. They are responsible for preserving them, and when necessary, yes, expending them, to accomplish the mission. That is a heavy weight to carry. You are ALWAYS on parade, every minute, everywhere. You can be human, you can laugh with the troops/crew, kid around with them a bit, let them know your can relate and that you care about their well being, but you cannot ever not be the commander. And as officers, you do not ever blame your bosses for a decision you made or an order you followed. Ever. The standards for every american military member are far higher than the society we serve. The standards for our officers, and especially those few officers selected to command, are higher still.

      February 1, 2011 at 4:13 am | Report abuse |
    • Julie in Austin

      @Ralphie! -

      Props on getting back in and kudos for serving on the Big E.

      Was the supposedly-offensive video made by the same crowd who did this one - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puVmKfCwb4M ?

      February 1, 2011 at 6:26 am | Report abuse |
    • Louise

      Most of my family is in the military. As a military man, it is part of his job to be held to a higher standard. He failed, miserably. Besides....I don't know of any straight man who enjoys dressing up and having rectal exams on his spare time.

      February 1, 2011 at 6:40 am | Report abuse |
    • rpb

      Same stuff is on SNL every weekend we roll on the floor laughing. This PC crap has to stop, We no longer have the ability to laugh at ourselves because the real hate mongers have convinced us that we are no longer Americans we are ________ – American. you want to be a _________ then go there, for until we become Americans again there is no hope for this nation.

      February 1, 2011 at 8:38 am | Report abuse |
    • Brad

      You are correct Butch – and I am offended by the "breeder" comment Todd. It's good to see all of the PC folks are out in force on this one! Have any of you ever been deployed on a navy ship?

      February 1, 2011 at 9:02 am | Report abuse |
    • navy mineman

      For people knocking butch, FYI he wasnt the commander at the time of the video he was the XO. If you think the top brass of the fleet didnt know about this video, you have been sniffing to much jet fuel. FYI as to the comment about him having access to nuc weapons layoff the crack pipe he is on an aircraft carrier not a ssbm sub. The ship itself is nuc powered but that is it no buttons he can push to go blow someone up. Get your facts straight. also The big E is set to be taken out of service in 2013, she is the oldest serving aircraft carrier in service. Captain Honors is being hung out to dry, he is the scape goat just like the sailors and soldiers that was chargesd with beating taliban soldiers in abugarcia or what ever it was called. top brass knew that was going on as well, people need to wake up

      February 1, 2011 at 9:24 am | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      I'm with Butch – However, as a GAY man, I'm here to tell you there weren't any gay slurs in the video. It was funny and what nobody cares to acknowledge is that this man, yes an XO, showed that he had the capacity to laugh at himself to make entertainment for his crew to break up the monotony of their job, cramped in their quarters for months at a time just a hair less confining that being in a submarine.

      Everybody needs to lighten up. LOOK at everything else this man was able to achieve and I would bet that NONE of us compare or could ever aspire to be the CO of a Navy warship. He was and is a hero, along with the rest of our military and he does NOT deserve this.

      February 1, 2011 at 9:44 am | Report abuse |
    • Ed

      Butch, it's amazing how much you and the so-called commander have in common. BTW, have you torn any Tupas lately?

      February 1, 2011 at 9:58 am | Report abuse |
  12. wmskadder

    To all those who have served, we know the drill. "S--t flows down hill". Always has, unfortunatley, always will. Few and far inbetween are those who will stand up and be counted, show their character and principles. Honors is just one spoke in the wheel. The higher ranking officers all gathered in the same room, and without having the guts to look each in the face decided to ";pork the pig". " Better him than us". So much for officer integrity, honor and country.

    January 31, 2011 at 4:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Willie12345

      The brass threw him under the bus. It's the same brass that OKs and pays for foul movies to be shown on bases and ships. It's the same brass that approves Kathy Griffin to entertain the troop on a military base. They sponsored and approved her visit. What a double standard. What a set of phonies.

      January 31, 2011 at 5:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • DC

      This is just another situation similar to the abu ghraib scandal were upper line officers and civilians claim amnesia when the sh_t hits the fan, throwing lower ranking individuals under the bus like they just did these things with no higher ranking knowledge. It's just sad and cowardly.

      January 31, 2011 at 5:57 pm | Report abuse |
  13. buddy

    Duh.

    January 31, 2011 at 4:22 pm | Report abuse |
  14. craig

    Here we go... Pandora's Box has now been open, and it's going to take a miracle... or a lot of rolling heads... to get it closed. If the Navy leadership had been smart, the correct answer to "Movie Night" was "We saw these videos 4 years ago and we dealt with them accordingly. Thank you for your interest, we have no further comment." From there, the story would have eventually died. At some point the Navy leadership needs to learn to just shut up.

    January 31, 2011 at 4:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Julie in Austin

      Someone needs to explain to the civilian population that these are still people and they don't magically become politically correct prudes the day they sign on the dotted line.

      February 1, 2011 at 6:33 am | Report abuse |
  15. NavyDoc

    Oh, and Butch.....
    If he wants to do off-color humor on his own time, that's up to him. They have NO PART in his profession. When he's on the job, he is SERVING as a representative of our country. This man is supposed to be a leader.

    You know, a famous officer passed away here in January. Major Dick Winters of the 101st Airborne. A man who led from the front. I wonder what he'd think of this clown.

    January 31, 2011 at 4:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lanfear

      "Major Dick" bwahahahahaha!

      January 31, 2011 at 4:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • DWS

      As Dick Winters' son, I can tell you he would have approved.

      It would seem (and Dick backed this up as well) only white men and Catholics can be abused – everyone else has to be "protected," lest the world (or their collective egos) collapse by fits and starts.

      January 31, 2011 at 8:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • dre

      Exactly! He's a naval commander. This isnt Live at the Improv.

      February 1, 2011 at 12:47 am | Report abuse |
    • navy mineman

      He wasnt the commander at the time. Do you people read at all. He was the XO, You know like the Vice President. You are basically taking up space and you hope to get your chance to be the one in charge someday. This junk happened 2006-2007 why all of a sudden is it an issue. let me guess navy doc you like wekileaks as well probably dont see any issue with that.

      February 1, 2011 at 9:55 am | Report abuse |
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