Wisconsin businessman: Havoc isn't 'what this process is about'
Dan Mulder of Madison says the political bickering is out of hand. "He who creates the most mayhem prevails in the day.”
February 19th, 2011
05:24 PM ET

Wisconsin businessman: Havoc isn't 'what this process is about'

Dan Mulder is staying away from the marching and chanting around the Capitol steps in Madison and staying put in his office and warehouse. But it’s not because he doesn’t have an opinion. Far from it.

Mulder is the general manager and chief executive officer of a local business employing 25 people. He’s seen costs skyrocket and health care insurance premiums continue to rise.

He describes himself as an independent — he did not vote for the recently inaugurated Gov. Scott Walker. These days, however, he says Walker’s plan on fixing the budget deficit, which includes removing public sector employees’ collective bargaining rights, is right on the mark.

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“I just think [Walker] deserves an Oscar for standing up,” Mulder said. “He’s got the resilience and the constitution to stand up and take on this issue.

“He fully realizes and understands that you can’t pay with what you don’t have, so he’s trying to live within his means. And that’s something that is completely foreign as a concept to most government sectors because if they need more money, they just raise taxes. The people who are paying those taxes are saying, ‘We can’t pay any more’.”

Mulder is a proponent of a civil and rational dialogue and exchange of ideas. He says the protests and chaos happening at the Capitol is not the way to go about getting things done.

“He who is loudest, he who is most vocal, he who creates the most mayhem prevails in the day,” Mulder said, shaking his head. “That should never be what this process is about."

“It’s really tragic because this is somewhat akin to the Civil War. Not that we’re at that level and hopefully we won’t be. But you’ve got brother against brother, neighbor against neighbor—that’s how driven this argument is.”

As far as the Democratic legislators fleeing the state to prevent a vote on the controversial bill, Mulder says they were elected to do a job - and not just when they feel like it.

“The last time I woke up, we were in a democratic society,” Mulder said, adding that the November elections — which put both a Republican governor and Republican legislature in place—were a clear mandate that it’s their turn to try some solutions.

“That Republican administration has been put in place by public mandate. And now that they’re exercising that mandate there's a minority of the population that doesn’t want to conform to that. Then it’s not a democracy anymore.”

He concluded by saying if people aren’t careful, the situation could eventually turn into anarchy.

“It’s tragic.”

soundoff (233 Responses)
  1. RUFFNUTT

    whenever i run outta money i just get another credit card... or sign up for some medical research..

    February 19, 2011 at 5:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Diane

      This sounds just like the civil war!

      February 19, 2011 at 7:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • MagicDave

      Unreal!!!! That guy is completely ignoring the FACT that Walker gave away $140,000,000.00 to his Corporate Sponsors and the budget was in good shape until that happened. This whole deal is a Republican Conspiracy that was set in motion at the Republican Governors meeting to break ALL unions, not just the public employees unions. ALL unions are under attack by the Right Wing Fascists.

      February 19, 2011 at 9:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      @magicdave ... whatever dude, the modern union (all of them) are a blight on society, bunch of freeloaders that take take take. they are subversive, self absorbed, shake down artists that hold companies and governments for randsom so that everybody else carries their load. they are evil to the core, including the people that run them. this is no longer the 1800s and early 1900s, children are not forced to work, people arms are not fed to machinery and then fired, we have entire government agencies setup to stop that. unions are NO LONGER necessary, they should be dissolved and people should WORK for what they earn.

      February 19, 2011 at 9:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • RS

      This isn't about the state being broke, fixing the the shortfall, Public vs Private employees, or even teachers rights. With this bill Walker is single handedly destroying the strongest democratic supporters (in terms of monetary donations). He also has some things in this bill that will cost the state more money. Splitting UW-Madison from the rest of the state universities, for example. Further the state will lose millions of dollars of federal funding for public transport because the Feds require collective bargaining for public transport systems. Clearly this bill is dirty politics. I definitely don't identify as a Democrat and I can see that.

      February 19, 2011 at 10:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • jp73

      I’m getting sick of everybody thinking teachers have an easy job and are overpaid. First off, they DO NOT get summers off. They are contracted for 9 months and set up their contracts to have their salaries deposited over the entire year. Second, during the summers, most teachers have to take college classes and other professional development, which they have to pay for out of their own pocket. If your employer told you that you needed to train in something new for your job, chances are they’d pay for you to attend the training seminar. Third, the summers are also used to plan a curriculum for the following year. So any person who thinks all teachers sit back by the pool all day are grossly misinformed. If you had to deal with over a hundred students for 9 straight months, and put your entire being into working with them and helping them, you need a summer break away from them, or you would literally go crazy.
      My second gripe is that teachers do not make insane money, $30,000 is an average starting salary (WI) – combine this with spending 9 hours a day at the school, and 2 ½ to 3 hours a day grading and lesson planning at night – and your starting teachers are making closer to $12/hour. There’s a shortage of math and science teachers right now because everyone knows that if you have skill in these areas, you better go to the private sector if you want to make a lot of money. If teaching was the easiest and sweetest paying gig in the world, these people would all be flocking to colleges to get their teaching certificates. Teachers, at least the good ones, want to make a difference in a child’s life, and have sacrificed the money in order to do that. I went back to school to become a teacher, and I did so knowing that I was never going to be a millionaire, knowing that I would never own an Audi, and knowing that I was never going to live in a mansion.
      All the hate that I’m hearing towards teachers makes me sick, sick about the future of this country. Right now the economy sucks, and all I’m hearing the middle class screaming, “I’m suffering and so should you.” Hell of a way to stimulate the economy, taking money out of the middle class’s hands – money that will be spent in restaurants, stores, and other local retail. We seem to have this idea that if we give the wealthy tax breaks, record tax breaks, they’ll stimulate the economy. The only problem is – they’re not stupid, why would they start a new business or expand an existing one, when they know that there isn’t anybody out there with disposable money to support it? Instead of attacking each other, all of whom are in the same desperate situation, we should be trying to work together to get money back into the hands of people who will actually spend it. That money is going to make it back up to the wealthy anyway.
      This bill is a targeted attack to take out the biggest single campaign contributors to the Democratic party, unions. If this goes through, unions are finished, and if you don’t like unions fine, but this leads to a much worse scenario. With the Democrats struggling to get money, the billion dollar corporate contributions will continue to flood in to the Republicans. I hope nobody is naive enough to doubt that these contributions make elections. The Democrats will not be able to compete, since independent contributions will not even come close to what corporations can provide – especially when the middle and lower classes are struggling financially. We will see the destruction of our two-party system. For you Republicans, this might seem like a good thing, except that it is as un-American as can be. We will not have a democracy, but a fascist nation. No matter how you feel about the political spectrum, unions, or even teachers; one party rule is not what the founding fathers had intended. People need to look deeper into what this battle is really about. It’s not about a short-term fix for a budget, but to execute a rival political party. I read in a previous post that unions were useless because we have laws against child labor, laws for workman’s comp, and laws that secure a minimum wage, but who is to say that these are things that will get attacked next. Instead of looking at the immediate, we need to think about how are actions today will affect the rest of our lives.

      February 19, 2011 at 10:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • ConservativeDave

      Were all you liberals / progressives / democrats (or whatever alias you've chosen this week) complaining when your politicos were "rewarding" their supporters? Were you so totally outraged that benefits which would only break the bank were handed to those employees of tax-supported monopolies? Or concessions granted which no private-sector employer would have provided, including ultra-generous benefit and retirement plans?

      You are hypocritical asses for complaining about this duly-elected set of politicians doing what they said they would but acting as if your elected politicos were on a mission from God when they did the same.

      February 19, 2011 at 10:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • #3

      I read the interview and frankly Mulder is spot on. Budgets are failing all over the country, people are unemployed, taxes are skyrocketing and our government employee's are getting premiere benefits and pensions and even wage increases. Bottom line is it has to stop somewhere and I applaud the integrity of Gov, Walker to take the punches and keep going and people such as Mulder who are strong enough to say openly enough is enough. BTW my last name is the same as his, got yer back brother.

      February 19, 2011 at 11:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mark

      #3, tax rates are actually at their lowest level since the 1950s.

      February 20, 2011 at 5:32 pm | Report abuse |
  2. banasy

    What's tragic is that this man thinks he speaks for anyone other than himself. Hence, the protests. And yes, the government has a job to do, which is to listen to the will of the people, not try to make labor relations revert back to what it once was *causing* unions and collective bargaining to be born in the first place. Betcha this man doesn't pay a whole lot towards his employee benefits...more likely, since he has so few employees, he doesn't offer any at *all*!

    February 19, 2011 at 5:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • sbus

      I have 30 employees and pay over 200,000 a year in health benifits. He is correct.

      February 19, 2011 at 7:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      I had to read the article again. He is not purporting to speak for others. He is giving his opinion which is all the reporter expected when this guy was interviewed. So in the spirit of things, "shut up".

      February 19, 2011 at 7:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • dave

      Hey sbus, after you pay the $200,000, do you take home less than any of your employees? That's what I thought. Poor, poor you.

      February 19, 2011 at 8:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • myoungwisc

      Geez sbus, do you employ all 80 year-old smokers?? Or do you provide full bennies? Either way, you're getting ripped off.

      February 19, 2011 at 8:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • GT66

      sbus: Uhm okay and what does that have to do with how much teachers are paid?

      February 19, 2011 at 8:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan

      It's a race to the bottom. None of these people want to raise their standard of living. they just want to lower everyone elses' standard of living. pretty soon there will only be service industry type jobs (hotel maids & workers, fast food and the like) as all the good jobs Will be sent overseas thanks to the ultra rich and their attack on unions and workers. good luck Wisconsin workers. Teabaggers, Gov.Walker and the rest of the republicans shame on you.

      February 19, 2011 at 9:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • EndofLine

      And how do collective bargaining rights raise private sector health care costs? I will help you out...THEY DO NOT.

      February 19, 2011 at 9:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • debateIDEAS

      I love how when democrats don't have a logical, rational argument they resort to name calling and scare tactics. The other side is stupid, or rich and heartless. This us against them mentality that unions foster is part of the problem. The reason 10% of the population is freaking out is because their stranglehold on best-in-class benefits and a blank check for their budget is coming to an end. You can't ask the 90% to pay even more so that you can keep your pensions, health plans, and tenure. Welcome to the real world. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

      February 19, 2011 at 9:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Cgull

      to dave and his reply to Sbus . should he not make more money than the people he gives work to ? are you for real ? when you get off the fry station and start moving up in the world come post on the big boy forum. until then go collect you food stamps and whatever other handouts you think you should get in the name of equality. oh yeah and maybe write down a few GOALS for yourself. i bet they wouldnt be to start a busines and pay my people more than yourself/.

      February 19, 2011 at 9:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scottish Mama

      @Sbus Mulder pays $200,000.00 for benefits for his employees. You can bet he makes more than that. He never stated what he makes. Why is the gov. going after the unions, and that is not the end of it, because that is just the beginning. Those protestera and tea party pockets are next. They are going after the people that have a little more than what the average working Joe has, it will come around to you, most of the Republican bloggers are blaming the Union people, but this all started with your votes for Bush. We are where we are beause of Pres. Bush. Who Pulled us out of the Reagan and Bush 41 era Clinton. Who could of pulled us out of Bush 43 Obama. Sure it isnt pretty. But this isnt pretty either. This mess is on us all not just the Unions. The people with the money ran us off the road. And none of the people have the answers at the top. So guess what now they have us on a witch hunt. And all you people who think unions are evil, so are the employers who want to take away the last defense the american people have collective bargaining rights. When this happens all jobs will be at the mercy of employers. What will you be willing to give up? The average buck stops at the average person. The wally worlds are coming to dismantle us. And because they keep us hostage with the Abortion issue, you all go along. Welcome to the United States of China, Bush hocked us off. And the hits just keep on coming.

      February 20, 2011 at 5:02 am | Report abuse |
  3. banasy

    Now *that's* my RUFFNUTT!

    February 19, 2011 at 5:42 pm | Report abuse |
  4. banasy

    Wait a minute....his name is Mulder, isn't it? Where's Scully? For God's sake, WHAT HAS MULDER DONE TO SCULLY?????

    February 19, 2011 at 5:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • LittleLeo123

      LOL..... Thanks for the humor in all this mess

      February 19, 2011 at 9:50 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Debbie

    I have been waiting for CNN to report about the Drs in WI passing out medical slips at St corners for free.
    I saw several ladies on utube who were handed medical passes and they didn't even KNOW the Dr!
    Seriously, utube has news coverage CNN hasn't gotten around to yet? lol
    Come on CNN, time to report the news as it happens, not pick and choose as you go...
    We want the truth or I go to Fox for good, I am fed up with your slant.

    February 19, 2011 at 5:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tad Pole

      HA. That is funny. It almost sounds like you are threatening to "go to Fox" if you don't get the truth? wow. Made my day. Thanks.

      February 19, 2011 at 7:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • soandso

      All news networks pick and choose what they cover as they go. All news networks are at least a little slanted. If you ran your own news network, it would cover the stories YOU thought were important. If you want a balanced coverage of what's going on in the world, then visit several news websites every day, that's what I do.

      February 19, 2011 at 8:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • KB

      So go to Fox. Needd a map? More power to any doctors who are standing up with their neighbors and saying enough is enough. This isn't about wages or benefits. The unions had already agreed to those concessions, prior to walker's election,. it is about the hard fought for right of collective bargaining and walkers attempt to unilaterally strip citizens of that right. It has nothing to do wth the budget no matter how walker tries to spin it.

      February 19, 2011 at 9:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bill E

      Make the permenent move to Fox News if you have not already. I only drop in here to read the incredibly idiotic post's from the "organizing for America" (brought to you by Obama) left wing nuts! They attack when the have no educated response. No educated response because they spend so much time on CNN, ABC and CBS.

      Liberal's are more funny than any comedy show!!!!!

      February 19, 2011 at 9:58 pm | Report abuse |
  6. frustrated

    The many supporters of this bill, and others alike, are looking at the simple and temporary solution it seems to propose, but don't look into the future consequences. As an educator, I'll just speak to the devastating effect it will have on education. I love my job, and have never complained about my salary or benefits, as they are adequate for me to support my family, and justify my personal educational expenses. With the direction it's heading, I may be forced to look elsewhere for employment so that I can continue to support my family. How many intelligent and capable people will now go into education for pay that doesn't justify the expense of college? The impact on education will be very evident soon.

    And why aren't these elected lawmakers, whose salaries are also provided by taxpayer dollars, offering to pay more towards their healthcare, and cut their salaries too? Lead by example, that's what educators do on a daily basis when we teach your children.

    February 19, 2011 at 5:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • manny

      with 3 months a year vacation get another job. teachers are way overpaid for the 6 hour day job. been there

      February 19, 2011 at 7:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • JohnR

      @frustrated And just constantly running up ever larger deficits counts as a "long term" solution? We are heading towards a pension and health care calamity in this country (around the world, really) because everyone assumes that future obligations will all magically take care of themselves. They won't. I too work in the public sector (county worker in NJ) and have recently seen my take home pay go lower precisely because of health care costs. I am not going WAAAHHH and threatening to quit because (a) I have a calling that my job satisfies and (b) when I compare the small sacrifice asked of me to what many are suffering re loss of benefits, jobs and even homes and then consider the TAX consequences of the economic downturn, I would be embarrassed to complain.

      February 19, 2011 at 7:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • TIRED

      given that the average teacher salary is $87000 for 8-9 months worth of work. maYBE U SHOULD LOOK FOR A DIFERENT LINE OF WORK AND THEN YOU WILL REALIZE HOW GREAT YOU HAVE IT. CONSIDERING A TEACHER DOES 4 YEARS OF COLLEGE-WORKS 40 HOUR WORK WEEKS, 8-9 MONTHS A YEAR AND GETS 87000 YEAR COMPARED TO YOUR AVERAGE PHYSICIAN WHO WORKS60-70 HOURS A WEEK, DOES ON CALL, WENT TO SCHOOL FOR 15 YEARS AND GETS $120000 ON AVERAGE> YOU R WAY OVERPAID. GROW UP AND FACE REALITY

      February 19, 2011 at 7:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • @manny

      6 hour days? You have NOT been there. Kids are in school more than six hours. 8 hour days? You have NOT been there. Daily plans magically appear everyday, pixies grade papers, clones work extracurricular activities, and your regular meeting with the teacher is really a hologram.

      My wife taught second grade which you *think* would be easy. The easy part was that she put in her 2080 hours in nine months.

      Collective bargaining is a two-way street and a basic worker right.. It was borne of greed – but not worker greed. Go rent Norma Rae.

      February 19, 2011 at 8:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • @TIRED

      Get a fact right anywhere in your CAPS LOCK statement and you may be credible.

      February 19, 2011 at 8:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • JohnR

      I have taught some at the college level and my wife has had a long teaching career at the college level, and I concur that teachers tend to bring an extraordinary large amount of their work home with them and you can't calculate their work hours from how long students are physically in school. Also, one clearly has to distinguish between the financial portions of what the Wisconsin governor is asking versus the repeal of collective bargaining rights. Those of us who have jobs and benefits will no doubt be asked to sacrifice some both in terms of loss of benefits and/or take home pay AND in the form of higher taxes. That's life when so many are in vastly more dire straits. But fundamental worker rights like collective bargaining are not something to hand away casually. I hope Wisconsin settles things at least as peacefully as Egypt did. The country and ultimately the world are watching.

      February 19, 2011 at 8:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jakub

      Manny, teaching is a tough job because they have to deal with kids with ignorant parents like yourself. Out of a classroom of 30 kids, only 12 or so come from two parent homes. Another 12 come from one parent homes which may/may not be in disaray. The other 8 have no parent control. In fact, those parents want the teachers to raise the kids. Add to that the government changing directions every five years on core compitancies. These kids would eat you alive. Teachers have four to six year degrees and are under paid compared to private sector. By the way, they are not paid for those 3 months in the summer. They can choose to get paid over 9 months or to spread it out over 12.

      February 19, 2011 at 8:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jakub

      @Tired–Where do teachers make $87,000? A few do at high end schools in high end communities. That is certainly not the majority. You are trying to use a few extreme cases and paint the picture for everyone. In the deep south, the average salary for 15 years with a masters degree is $48,000. The midwest, maybe $62,000 with a few small exceptions to those communities that really value education. Get your facts right before jumping in. If you did become that physician for 125K, you should be upset. You should have opted for being one of those $87,000 teachers.

      February 19, 2011 at 8:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • A.A.

      @TIRED

      http://www.employmentspot.com/employment-articles/teacher-salaries-by-state/

      You should take a look at that. Average is between 40 and 50,000 dollars, and that's driven up by the salaries of Science and Mathematics teachers. I don't know where you people get your facts from. To think of the people who have to take care of YOUR children (who, if the apple doesn't fall far from the tree...you know)–to think of teachers as "privileged" is ridiculous on all counts. No matter how hard your job at McDonald's is, you don't have to go home and work on grading and planning for 8 hours after work is over. You also don't have to pay for therapy because you work in a school in a bad neighborhood and have to deal with unbelievably abusive students.

      And P.S.–A lot of teachers DO have second jobs (a lot of my teachers in high school and middle school did), because their salaries just don't cut it.

      February 19, 2011 at 9:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • TX Teacher

      Tired – Your numbers are off for how much a teacher makes. As a 4th year Texas educator (without a stipend), I make about $42K per year. That said, even if you assume that I work 10 hour days to get my lesson planning and grading done, I make opwards of $20 an hour. For a job requiring only a 4-year degree, that's not bad. Some talk about the "extra" training required to be a teacher, but even that is a bit of a ruse. If you major in education, student teaching is part of your training. It's no worse than the field camp required of geology majors at the university I attended (actually, it is less expensive). If you go through an alternative certification program like the one I did, your student teaching is likely completed on the job while you are getting paid. The required professional development can be obtained in a number of ways including training provided by most school districts of any size. It's not like they require you to go out and get a PhD. Yes, with my degree, I could have made more money in industry, but I knew that going into the field.

      February 19, 2011 at 9:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Me

      @ Manny

      3 months of vacation? Are you for real? The teachers are paid a 9 month salary. Many work additional jobs (second shift) to keep a roof over their heads. If they want to eat in the summer they MUST get a summer job.

      February 19, 2011 at 9:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • TX Teacher

      Me – I don't know how it is in your state, but teachers in Texas get paid for a 10 month contract. They get their total salary spread over 12 months. Some states allow people to elect to be paid over 10 months, but it is generally the employee's choice. Regardless, you know how much you make each year and should budget for that. You cannot blame being paid out over 9-10 months for needing a second job. It is often poor budgeting/living beyond one's means. Obviously things will be different for a person living in an expensive area versus an inexpensive one but you take a job knowing what you will be paid and should plan for that, particularly when you work in a sector where salaries are made public. Complaining at this point seems like accepting a gift and then whining that it wasn't the right color.

      February 19, 2011 at 9:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Me

      @Tired

      You are clearly a moron.

      1) MD's tend to work 60 to 80 hours/week but only a few are paid a low as $125k. (These would be general practice MDs) If you have any training past that – salaries are ~170k and up. [I know because my wife is an MD.]

      2) Teachers work many more hours than 40/week. I am an engineering professor at a major university. When I am preparing a new one hour lecture (college level) I put in ~10 hours of work. This means that I put in ~30 hours/week preparing for one 3 hour course. Now lets add the work I do in grading and setting up labs and teaching graduate students – and general BS administrative paperwork. I work about 70-80 hours/week. I have to pay myself for the 3 summer months out of my research contacts.... Let me compare this to an industry job (which I used to have and could return to in a few weeks).... I get paid about 25% less.... in fact until just recently my PhD students were paid more in their first jobs than I was paid. The governor of my state is talking about making the tuition for a four year B.S. $10k total... This would require cutting my pay by ~75%. I will quit in a few weeks if this happens – two week notice should be fine. I expect that Wisconsin will gut their k-12 teachers ranks doing this.... yeah it is cheaper – but you get what you pay for. I am glad I left Wisconsin.

      February 19, 2011 at 10:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Me

      @ TX Teacher

      BS – I am in Texas. I know what Texas pays – it is a nine month salary. (Perhaps Highland Park ISD pays 10 true months but most of the rest don't.) Yes, you can spread it out over 12 months. No – this does not make it a 'vacation'. Yes, you can live on $10/day – but then you need to live under a bridge.

      Now let me explain why I am so grumpy. My father was a teacher for 32 years – he loved his students. BUT we lived UNDER the poverty line for most of my childhood. I remember very clearly having to put back food at the store because we did not have enough money. Teachers are finally treated as professionals and now there is a push to make them 'slaves' again. Would you cut the pay of a police officer? How about a firefighter? Then why can't a teacher be paid a living wage? If you wish to live under a bridge, be my guest. I have a family to feed and put through college.

      February 19, 2011 at 10:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • DeadGuy

      @Me

      Poster child for the phrase 'Those that can't, teach'

      February 21, 2011 at 5:20 am | Report abuse |
  7. RUFFNUTT

    why not just sell the gold in fort knox? or give it to china..

    February 19, 2011 at 5:56 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Debbie

    By the way the above article was great!.
    It was actually fair, wish you would do that more often.
    Its so tiring to have the anchors put in their 10 cents and ruin
    it for those of us who just want to see the news.
    Not be preached by them none stop about their slant/their person beliefs.
    Just report the news and keep the marxist views to themselves.

    February 19, 2011 at 5:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Barry from Wisconsin

      Marxist……do I detect a certain bias in the comment?

      February 19, 2011 at 7:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rich

      Debbie,

      "Marxist" ? Really? How about citing some examples instead of just running your mouth? I work in the news business. Where are the meetings where we all decide to push our "agenda" and how come I've never been invited?

      February 19, 2011 at 7:54 pm | Report abuse |
  9. banasy

    @Debbie: what's this about medical passes? What's that all about? Medical passes for *what*?

    @frustrated: I agree totally, and I have said as much in other threads before. When our elected leaders cut spending by eliminating their own *lifetime* perks and mandatory salary increases first, it would be a great leap forward in the world of politics. Lead by example, indeed. And please don't give up education completely; you sound like a grade A teacher to me. It would be a shame to lose you.

    February 19, 2011 at 6:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Deb

      I agree that when our elect leaders follow they same rules they impose upon the people who elected them is the day when there will no longer be a deficit .....and stop giving tax payers money away – for example, why did the tax payers pay for the judges election campaigns or even contribute to them, I would have said no to that one right away.

      February 19, 2011 at 9:07 pm | Report abuse |
  10. RUFFNUTT

    it doesn't really matter who get's elected.. once they get to washington..they have there minds taken over by the evil space overlords..

    February 19, 2011 at 6:48 pm | Report abuse |
  11. banasy

    Is your Camaro ready for space travel yet, Ruffie?

    February 19, 2011 at 7:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • RUFFNUTT

      i just got a home depot charge card and am buy the last of the parts i need..

      February 19, 2011 at 7:25 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Rob Stumpf

    Education isn't going to die if Walker's proposal passes. That's nonsense.

    Whether we like it or not, we can only have the educational system we can actually afford. This seems obvious, but aparently....it isn't.

    February 19, 2011 at 7:23 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Richard

    Dan Mulder says he's an "independent"?

    He's a liar.

    February 19, 2011 at 7:24 pm | Report abuse |
  14. KD

    So... wait. It's okay for Republicans in Washington elected to a position the ENTIRE COUNTRY DEPENDS ON to not show up, but not okay for Democrats in a SINGLE STATE to do the exact. same. thing?
    Hypocritical a little?

    February 19, 2011 at 7:30 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Barry from Wisconsin

    What happened in November was NOT a mandate. Walker and the new majority is making the same mistake that President Obama and the Democrats made in 2008. An election victory indicates the voters have supported your positions…(and bought into the $$$$$ commercials). It does NOT mean that radical change is what people want.

    February 19, 2011 at 7:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Richard

      Barry, I'm not buying the NOT a mandate thing. It's too late for that! Any savvy voter knows Republicans are not the least bit interested in middle class problems or issues. With Republicans it's (and always has been) help the wealthy and corporations and screw the rest. It simply boggles my mind when middle-class voters vote for Republican candidates. It's the classic voting against your own interests syndrome ..... The Republicans will be coming after social security and Medicare next.... just watch.

      February 19, 2011 at 7:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • dave

      It's hard to believe isn't it Richard? The Republican Wall Street bankers bring the economy to its knees, and the Republican hillbillys want the middle class to pay for it. Hey hillbillys, you're in the middle (probably lower) class too!!! The wealthiest 400 people in this country have as much wealth as the bottom 150,000,000 and these numbers get worse every time the Republicans are in office. WAKE UP PEOPLE!! Karl Marx predicted that before the world turned to Communism, Capitalism would first devour itself. We're well on the way.

      February 19, 2011 at 8:14 pm | Report abuse |
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