Protests grow louder in Ohio, Indiana
Protesters rally last week at the Ohio Statehouse in Columbus against a bill curbing public workers' collective-bargaining rights.
March 1st, 2011
01:36 PM ET

Protests grow louder in Ohio, Indiana

As Wisconsin's pro-union protests rage, a huge crowd in Ohio is gathering Tuesday for the event "Rally to Save Ohio's Middle Class." The movement, which reportedly could draw 20,000 people, is being documented live on Facebook. The AFL-CIO also is tweeting the event.

Protesters are demanding lawmakers drop a bill that would end Ohio public employees' right to collective bargaining. An Ohio Senate committee has said it will revise and vote this week on the legislation that would affect about 350,000 state workers, teachers, public safety employees and others.

And in Indiana, lawmakers have stooped to name-calling in a debate that pits union forces against legislators who want to undo union rights.

Are you in the middle of any of it? Send an iReport.

Though the stakes are different in each state, what is clear is that a fight in Wisconsin has ballooned into a huge national debate pitting Republicans against Democrats. President Barack Obama voiced his support for public workers Monday, and the liberal activist group Moveon.org has been staging demonstrations across the nation in support of unions.

The debate is loaded with nuance and complexity, and informed by the history of unionizing in the United States, Slate points out. USA Today analyzed the numbers and on Tuesday reported that Wisconsin is one of 41 states where public workers earn higher average pay and benefits than private workers in the same state.

The Columbus, Ohio, City Council opposes legislation in its state because members say it would hurt families, CNN affiliate WBNS-TV in Columbus reported. The council said it wants more discussion on ways to fix the state budget shortfall.

"We want to sit across from our police officers and our firefighters," council member Zach Klein told WBNS. "We want them to know that we're supporting our teachers and other working families, to have an arms-length, reasonable conversation about wages and benefits, and that's exactly what collective bargaining has done."

In Mahoning County, Ohio, Democrat David Betras decried the bill as an "assault on middle class values," according to CNN affiliate WKBN-TV in Youngstown. He told the station, "It puts political patronage and cronyism back into our public employees. We want to keep that out. Public employees do a good job. ..."

E-mails from as far away as Germany and Scotland have been flooding the offices of House members, The Columbus Dispatch said. One office reported receiving more than 10,000 e-mails, according to the paper.

Protesting hasn't gotten as heated as the political rhetoric in Indiana. Lawmakers started the week by meeting behind closed doors at an Urbana hotel to negotiate legislation. It went downhill quickly.

State Rep. Charlie Brown, a Gary Democrat, called Republican House Speaker Brian Bosma a "windbag," CNN affiliate WRTV-TV in Indianapolis reported. "He's a 6-foot-4, 230-pound windbag," Brown said. "He doesn't know how to negotiate. He doesn't know how to move his ego aside and get down to the nitty-gritty."

Brown told the station that Bosma had "backed himself into a corner" and "doesn't know how to fight his way out of it." Republican Gov. Mitch Daniels referred to Democrats spending time in the hotel's pool and hot tub, WRTV reported.

In Wisconsin, Republican Gov. Scott Walker has threatened massive layoffs if his bill limiting collective-bargaining rights for public-sector employees doesn't pass. The bill also would force public workers to cover more of their retirement plans and health care premiums. Watch Walker discuss the bill and the state's projected $3.6 billion budget gap by 2013. Wisconsin's 14 Democratic senators have left the state and gone to Illinois to prevent a quorum of 20 votes needed for the budget repair bill to pass.

Passage of the bill would limit collective bargaining to wages. Any pay increases beyond the rate of inflation would be subject to voter approval.

Pro-union forces say the governor is trying to curb long-held labor rights under the guise of fiscal responsibility.

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  1. LibertyForAll

    Question for the supports: Are you getting the same benefits as these employees?. I hope so, you are the one paying for it.

    March 1, 2011 at 3:27 pm | Report abuse |
  2. John

    I wish he had the guts to include all the public sector unions including the firemen, state troopers and police.

    March 1, 2011 at 3:27 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Brad

    IINCOME INEQUALITY

    The gap between the rich and poor continues to grow. A "joke" circulating on facebook sums it up:

    A public union employee, a tea party activist, and a CEO are sitting at a table with a plate of a dozen cookies. The CEO takes 11 of the cookies, turns to the tea party rep and says, "Watch out for that union guy. He wants a piece of your cookie."

    March 1, 2011 at 3:27 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Scott

    Would the AUTHOR PLEASE NOTE that the USA Today comparison linked does not take into account education level? It's extremely misleading not to include whether or not that's included in these comparisons- it makes all the difference. That's not semantics. You can talk about both sets of numbers, but you have to be clear about which is which.

    March 1, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Fed Up

    Don't these people work??? Those of us who do are sick of working to prop up these losers. Go to work...here's an idea...EARN your wage for once. Go pick up my garbage that I pay you heavily to do.

    March 1, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
  6. greg

    The school districts should cut all athetlic programs to save money. Yes, even football. That might get the attention of the respective state houses and governors.

    March 1, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ron

      CORRUPTION: Unions donate large sums of money to the Democrat Party. The Democrats then see to it that the union thugs get their excessive pay and benefits. Gov. Walker is representing those who pay for it all, the tyaxpayers.

      March 1, 2011 at 3:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • kd

      That's a lie, Ron.

      March 1, 2011 at 3:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • George

      Yea thats brilliant! Take it out on children. What an idiot

      March 1, 2011 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • brian

      great logic..
      kids aren't excercising enough, barely do any physical activities.. but hey just because government spenders cant get their crap together... lets cut physical activities..
      i bet your not in the best shape either are you?

      March 1, 2011 at 3:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • glenn

      Ron, you LIE!!!!

      March 1, 2011 at 3:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Danram

      No it isn't, KD. That's precisely what happens, and has been happening for a long, long time now. It's legalized extortion, and those who've been screwed all this time ... namely, the taxpayers ... have had enough.

      More power to Gov. Walker and Wisconsin Republicans. Public sector unions should be abolished.

      March 1, 2011 at 3:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • LaHoney

      And how is that any different that Koch brothers who gave so much money for this governor to be elected and are behind this whole union busting in order to built a pipeline without having to pay union wages? How is that good for anyone?

      March 1, 2011 at 3:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scott

      I get your post- the part that is missing is that important programs ARE cut. But not sports.

      March 1, 2011 at 3:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Medellino

      A public union employee, a tea party activist and a CEO are sitting at a table with a plate of a dozen cookies in the middle of it. The CEO takes 11 of the cookies, turns to the tea partier and says, "Watch out for that union guy; he wants a piece of your cookie"
      Raise taxes

      March 1, 2011 at 3:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Neil

      I was just wondering when President Obama plans to keep his promise to picket with State Workers rights to collectively bargain.

      See clip – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA9KC8SMu3o

      March 1, 2011 at 3:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • David in Seattle

      I fell out of my chair laughing at some of these comments. Who contributes more to politcal parties - the unions or big business? How much did the Koch brothers give to Walker and even more significantly to the anti-Barrett? Why did the Koch brothers open a lobbying office in Madison just last January? Walker does not represent the people, but just two people - the Koch brothers. At least unions represent millions of people.

      March 1, 2011 at 3:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Slick

      Unions promote laziness, period. Union people have no fear of losing their jobs. They can and in most cases are the worst employees because they know they are protected by the union. It's a real joke and this is why the US can't compete around the world.

      March 1, 2011 at 3:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Brad

      Which part is a lie kd? The fact that big unions pour millions of dollars into buying the democrat party?

      March 1, 2011 at 3:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rich

      It is the Media that needs to stop stating that it is the Dems vs. Republicans and a fight for the middle class if you are a Dem. The vast majority of the middle class has long ago lost their free benefits and even pension plans. This includes middle class workers with graduate degrees. We (middle class Dem and Rep.) tired of hearing about the public employees that we pay for state that they are about to loose their rights. All workers today should have to contribute to their benefits and should also have to work 30 or more years and not retire on 20 years. The real middle class has to retire at 65, 66 etc. if they can keep their jobs till then.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tim

      Ron is correct. Unions have become a form of money laundering for the Democratic party. And when the people who are footing the bill call them on it, they squeal like the little piggies they are. Same old story: blame corporations, blame the wealthy, blame republicans. What incentive does the union elected democratic politician have to "bargain" on behalf of the taxpayer when the union gave him millions of $$$ in campaign funds.

      So let me get this straight: we pay taxes that go in part to public sector unions, which then force all new employees to be in the union, which then force employees to pay union dues by automatically deducting the dues from their checks, which are then funneled into democrat campaign funds, which then go back to the unions in the forms of higher salaries, more benefits, and less hours of work "bargained" for at the "negotiating" table. So in essence, I am being forced to fund a political party that I want to see loose elections? End public unions, end the corruption.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Duane - St.Pete FL

      Ron is correct.....UNIONS SUCK....it's funny the the libs always say the right is stuck in the 1950's yet they want to prop up UNIONS who's use left us in the 30's......guess they want those union dues. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
      hypocrites.......babies.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • LaHoney

      And the Unions buying Democrats is different from Big Business buying Republicans how??? You really think the Unions have more money than let's say, Haliburton?? Take another swig of the Kool AId.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • George

      Unions outlived their purpose once labor laws were invented. Why are they still around?

      March 1, 2011 at 4:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • DC

      CORRUPTION: Large corporations and wealthy individuals donate large sums of money to the Republican Party. The Republicans then see to it that the wealthy get their excessive pay and benefits. Gov. Walker is representing those who pay for it all, the wealthy and corporate interests.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scott

      It's true that union contributions go to the democratic party. Everyone also knows where the republican contributions come from. It is sad to think about, that now union members are being generalized as greedy etc. They're people just like me and you, with families and everything else to do with life.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      Yes, that's a lie, Ron. The people involved in conspiracy here are the Neo Cons, not the Dems. They're protecting America at the moment. I wonder if you are a paid right wing shill or just another decent American who doesn't understand that the Neo Cons are filling your head with nonsense in order to rob you blind.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • 1simpleman

      i would take it one step further. How many of the "state jobs" would be better served by privatization. looks at the voucher program for schools. the students will be better off and the overall cost o taxpayer would be reduced.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tim

      To all the retarded liberals asking how unions are different that big business, unions, specifically public sector unions, are paid with taxpayer money, specifically, my taxpayer money. Should I choose not to support a company, I simply vote with my wallet and shop somewhere else. It's called freedom of choice. How do I choose not to support the unions? It almost seems like they are forcing me to pay them undeserved salaries. I'll tell you what, let me keep the tax money that goes towards paying the public sector union teachers and I will put my kids in a private school.

      Furthermore, what is a corporation if not a collective group of people. Corporations are routinely demonized in this country as if making a profit is something evil. Who are you liberals that you think you should be able to dictate how much money someone can make? And how come big hollywood is never included in your visual of an evil corporation? Seems like you simply chose corporations that you don't like such as oil companies and bankers. You liberals make me sick. And your arguments are anti-intellectual.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • George

      Scott is very much is about greed. How come the rest of the country is dealing with a recession and declining pay yet the unions are immune to this? Even if their raise in pay costs other non-union workers? Here in NYC a lot of people are hurting but not unionized MTA workers. They keeping getting their yearly raises and bloated pensions and to afford that they have to raise train fares that all of NY has to pay for. That is the greed I can't stand. Unions can't always have it their way.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • MrX

      Unions gave $400 million to Dems 2008 elections. If you are not a lazy person you can easily search that statistic online. A union is not a business that creates something and sells it. They get their money directly from public employees that are forced to pay their dues. Public employees get paid by our tax money. The way I see it is that they are taking my choice away of where my money is going. I have to pay taxes, but it shouldn't be used for any political parties. It should be use to fix roads,etc. So, how is Ron lying again? Anyone?

      March 1, 2011 at 4:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • dave

      CORRUPTION: Corporations donate large sums of money to the Republican Party. The Republicans then see to it that the Wall Street blood suckers get their excessive pay (REALLY excessive) and bailouts. Gov. Walker is fighting against those who pay for it all, the taxpayers.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • George

      Dave if a corporation i know of supports a party i don't like i can avoid doing business with that corporation. You can't do this when your tax dollars are funneled into the unions which goes right back into democrat pockets. That's the difference.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • abo42000

      Yeah George. Those darn Public Service Unions don't care about the kids.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • mike

      Great, then every kid can join a gang and we can increase police and paramedic budgets.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Al

      Ron how could you say that? He represents the billonare Koch brothers he validated that on the now infamous call.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:57 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Bill

    Funny how the article calls them "public" employees instead of "government" employees...Polls shows reaction is very different based on that terminology.
    Budgets are a mess and one reason is states and cities compete to get businesses there by giving tax abatements. We all pay for those abatements.
    We need a fair tax code where everyone pays.
    Unions did some great work but in the end they got greedy and drove manufacturing out of the US...

    March 1, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • mike kerns

      The budgets our a mess is right only because of republcan tax cuts for the corperations

      March 1, 2011 at 3:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Coldstar

      mike, that's just stupid, corporations DON'T PAY TAXES – WE DO – in the form of markup on the products that we buy to make up the difference.

      March 1, 2011 at 3:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Pasha

      greed drives manufacturing out of US. Unions have very little to do with it... Unions drives wages higher and that's not helping. It's hard to compete with $.18/hour for worker in China. Where I see US government failed it is on import duties.

      March 1, 2011 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Barrie

      Bill, Coldstar is right–corporations don't pay taxes, they only collect them. The corporation will pass the taxes on to the consumer–that's you and me–or it will fail. Businesses have to make a profit or they go broke–it's that simple! When you vote for democrats who say they will raise corporate taxes, you're really voting to tax yourself.

      March 1, 2011 at 3:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • CJ

      "greed drives manufacturing out of US. Unions have very little to do with it"

      The union involvement is that they are built around the ideal that no matter what the global economic conditions are the members will get paid more every year. When a company building flux capacitors in the US sells the product for $10 at a 10% profit some other company will see they can build them in China, sell them for $5 (in the us) and make a 30% profit. The only way for the first company to stay in business is to move production BEFORE another company sees the opportunity....need a case in point look at the electronics industry across the board.

      My point isnt 'bash the unions' its that you and the unions are fighting the wrong fight...we need the government to protect our jobs and corporations with import taxes...but we have to accept that paying the same price for blue jeans for the last 10 years is unreasonable.

      March 1, 2011 at 3:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jim in San Mateo

      One of the little known facts about corporate taxes is that while the basic rate is 35%, after you add in all the deductions, expenses and other writeoffs, the actual rate is around 17 to 19% which is right in line with the rest of the world's corporate tax rates. Personally, I'd go a long way to get to a tax rate of 19%.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scott

      Any amount of corruption and "money funneling into the democratic party" is dwarfed by the Corporate purchase, lock stock and two smoking barrels of the Republican party. The very party that has brought this disaster upon the country. Oh and if the Bush tax cuts didn't create any jobs in 8 years. Why will their extension create jobs now????

      March 1, 2011 at 4:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • David in Seattle

      Again I can't stop laughing. The reason that manufacturing moved out of the US is that corporations - including the one that I work for - didn't want to put capital into their aging factories; they just wanted short term profits and you can't get those by re-investing your propfits in capital. America still has the highest productivity - Americans workers produce more per hour than anyone. But there aren't any plants here anymore. The Chinese took their money and investied in plants. Besides which, they don't have to worry about pollution, worker safety, and product safety.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Charlie

      Let's face it, people belong to unions because they can't, or are too lazy, to compete like the rest of us.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Obama

      The loudest union workers are the ones that barely finished high school and they know this would cause them problems in the non-union world.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Holly

      Unions didn't drive manufacturing jobs out of the US, corporate greed did! Pay based on performance? What about all the outrageous pay that the bank execs received for running their companies out of business? How about other corporate execs who ruined their companies' put people out of work, and got nice golden parachutes? People need to understand that union workers have little, if any, say in how the company they work for is managed.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      No, they didn't drive manufacturing out of the US, the industrialists realized that they could make things far more cheaply and with drastically less environmental concerns than here. So they exported those jobs to the third world after destroying the unions that represent people who work in shipping in order to transport those goods around the world on a dime. Now they want to fool you into lowering our economy to the same level. The Neo Cons are an obscenity, don't fall for this new swindle.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:13 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Merit Based Pay For Work

    A fool and their money easily part – take Union dues for example.

    March 1, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      Not all of us have the option to NOT be in a union. I'm a college student and the only job I could find requires union membership. The pay is AWFUL and so are the hours. My co-workers (not all but most) work as slow as they can. Ohio needs to be a right to work state!!!

      March 1, 2011 at 3:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • glenn

      Union dues, the best money I ever spent!

      March 1, 2011 at 3:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Holly

      If merit-based pay were the case, many bank executives and corporate presidents would be dead broke! Seems we only hear about that system when discussing unions. Let's put the blame where it belongs: if you are in charge of a company and it tanks, you make zero, no bonuses, stock options, nada.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • fuyuko

      merit based salary is decided by the bosses. so who gets considered? the employee who suck-up to the management, the bosses relatives, and any other person they deem meritous. union is the only fair way. everyone benefits that way. Or none do.

      March 1, 2011 at 5:04 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Nobama

    Ship ungreatful union workers to France where they'll fit in just swell + give their jobs to educated yet unemployed graduates who would glady have their jobs = dramatic decrease in American unemployment rates.

    March 1, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Edward

      Ship them to France? Now that's just mean. Then they would have FULL health coverage from the BEST health care system in the world. They would be respected by intelligent people for the dramatically important work they do. They would live longer lives,and suffer less infant mortality. They would have better conditions, wages and lifestyle. They would vacation at the seaside and eat amazing food. They would drink great wine, and enjoy a wonderful culture. I think you prove very well, the point you wish not to make.

      March 1, 2011 at 3:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • mike kerns

      Why dont you move to france? Since you are so disgusted with youre fellow citizens or bettet yet afghanistan would be wetr you would fit right in with youre taliban brothers

      March 1, 2011 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Against unions (bullies)

      i agree.. SHIP THEM LIBYA! they have openings out there.

      hey KERNS! yeah im disgusted at you and your unions. You cant take a sacrifice like most of us did? I took a pay cut last year but HEY! i got to keep my job! Sounds like youre in a union and you dont want to lose all that good stuff that the rest of us have to earn that isnt just given to us. oh yeah.. and you dont even have to do a good job to continue working.. now aint that a ......

      Selfish people who cant take a hit for their country.. they just want more.. and more.

      March 1, 2011 at 3:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • ScrewELouE

      You must be NUTS to compare USA to France. See their riots lately? Do you know what their unemployment rate is? Please... go to France so this great country could be rid of those who want handouts instead of those who have REAL pride in their work.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Edward

      @screw- To compare the USA to France is to compare American cheese and St-Andre triple cream. You are right.

      @mike- AGHHHHH! You don't think I would live in America do you? Don't call me a fellow citizen please.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Greg Dawson

      Edward, France is not in a good shape at all. Health system and social welfare deteriorates, migrants are trouble, taxes are way too high, the streets are dangereous, the french are rude and the food in average restaurants is not so great at all.
      The best places to live in Europe are german-speaking countries, especially switzerland.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      What Edward said!!! Good grief, you really won't find out what's going on in the world and how much better other first world countries are if you listen to 'Fox News instead of reading up on your own. Man, what a dumb comment.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tiser

      Edward, you forgot the sweet retirement pension the French get at age 60. In fact there was street riots for weeks when it was suggested that the retirement age be raised to 62.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • George

      Yea enjoy your pension at 60 as you screw over younger, future workers who have to work and pay for your unrealistic pension and won't see the same benefit when the bubble bursts, just like with social security. You unions guys are all the same all it matters is you get yours and screw everyone else.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • fuyuko

      yes, because college grads who grow up playing warcraft and not working have such a superior work ethic.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:59 pm | Report abuse |
  10. FRANK LONGO

    Again why do the wealthy never sacrfice? Why do they make more as everyone makes less? Can't they do with less or tighten their belts? Big corporations are holding Americans hostage. These are the people who are shipping all our jobs out of America. They will not be satisfied until the American worker has the same pay and working conditions as third world countries! Fact!

    March 1, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • BillyBob117

      Nice reading from the liberal/union hand book of lies. The eternally greedy unions drove the jobs overseas. Frank is time for you to Adult Up and live in the real world.

      March 1, 2011 at 3:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • memphispiano

      What is shipping our jobs overseas was unions demanding exorbitant benefits. When it is more cost effective to replace a person with a multi-million dollar computer, the person was probably making too much money. Unions got greedy and we couldn't compete. Corporations are expected to make money. You know who expects it...you and me. Because that is where our stock portfolios and retirements are at.

      March 1, 2011 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ron

      Who exactly are you talking about ? And how many "wealthy" do you think there are ? As one who worked for 30 years for a major U.S. corporation, I can tell you that I was paid fairly: A day's pay for a days work. Unlike unionized workers who are usually overstaffed and overpaid for what little they do. Government unions are corrupt to the bone and should be outlawed.

      March 1, 2011 at 3:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Pasha

      Nobody in US can compete with currency manipulators like China and they wages.... you can't find anybody here to work for $.18/hour... even if you take all unions out nobody will work for that much... and you pollute environment there all day long...

      March 1, 2011 at 3:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • LaHoney

      Good Lord! What a pack of lies. Jobs were shipped out of the country because Unions had the audacity to demand fair wages, reasonable working hours and health insurance for their employees. Lobbyists then went to Washington, convinced lawmakers to pass bills allowing them to ship their jobs elsewhere where they could run sweat shops, hire children, provide no health care and pay them dollars a day.

      March 1, 2011 at 3:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Pasha

      WRONG! Nobody in US can compete with currency manipulators like China and they wages.... you can't find anybody here to work for $.18/hour... even if you take all unions out nobody will work for that much... and you pollute environment there all day long...

      March 1, 2011 at 3:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • George

      Frank – That is not a very smart statement! If you went to school, college, got your MBA or became a doctor, tell me why I should not make more money than someone working on an assembly line or even a teacher??? That is what capitalism is all about. If you want to live in a dictatorship then go move to Iran! This is not a equal world where people that do less should make as much as people who studied hard to get somewhere in life. Liberals just don't have the brain power to understand that capitalism makes our country great! Some people like to mooch off of society and blame everyone else for their life's problems. On the other hand, some people apply themselves and when you do, the rewards are better salaries. I am sick and tired of people blaming their failures on other peoples success.

      March 1, 2011 at 3:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • LaHoney

      If capitalism is so great, why is only 1% of our population benefiting from it? Look at the numbers and trend charts. The lower, working and middle classes are making no headway while the upper 1% continues to get wealthier and wealthier.

      March 1, 2011 at 3:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Edward

      @BillyBob117- You do understand these are public jobs right? They can't be sent overseas. You would have to send American children to China for school. Unions are not responsible, in any way, for the out sourcing that has been done to maximize profit. (Leave out the "liberal hand book lies" next time) Now, unionized labor does see workers have a wage to buy a Ford or GM. NOT a BMW or Audi. People that buy those cars are rich you see. So the rich are the ones who can afford to buy cars, and they do... Land Rovers, BMW's and the like, sending both money and the jobs out of the country. If the teachers didn't have their benefits cut, they could afford a GM or Ford. Well, people would need to build those cars then, wouldn't they? And those people making cars could get a new diswasher, and pay for piano lessons for their child. The piano teacher would then be able to open her own little school. She would need to hire a few teacher to help her after the school grew. you see, to take money out of the hand of those that will spend it in America, and put it into the hands of those that will send it out of the country, is not helpful or any more intelligent than you are.

      March 1, 2011 at 3:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Carolina Mike

      Nice bunch of cliches from the liberals about the "wealthy" and evil corporations. Sure would be nice to hear a well thought out point from you guys every now and then. To paraphrase a public employee union boss in NY, "we get to hire our bosses". Think about that comment for a minute. Most of you who complain about the 'rich" in defending these unions are the one's who pay higher and higher taxes to give these "public" employees double the wages and benefits than you earn when they produce less than you do. Wake up! The Wisconsin Govenor and representatives are working for you!

      March 1, 2011 at 3:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Justin

      George – "That is not a very smart statement! If you went to school, college, got your MBA or became a doctor, tell me why I should not make more money than someone working on an assembly line or even a teacher???"

      You're absolutely right, and those greedy teachers should sit down, shut up, and maybe pay you for the privilege of imparting the knowledge you need to earn that MBA or Doctorate. Or did you perhaps forget that everything you learn while reaching for that degree comes from them and their grubby little middle class hands? But I'm probably lying, they wouldn't have the brain power to have taught you, you absorbed it all by osmosis.

      March 1, 2011 at 4:06 pm | Report abuse |
  11. local

    If you cannot draw a distinction between a private corporation and public employees you are a IDIOT. In the real business world if costs exceeds revenue they either raise prices and if no one buys their product anymore, then they go out of business and all of their employees are out of work. In the public (taxpayer funded) world, these idiot arbitrators and those empowered agree to give outlandish salaries, benefits and perks, knowing there is a never ending pot-of-gold to fund them. WELL WAKE UP DIPSTICKS, the party is over and the taxpayers are no longer going to support you.

    March 1, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • MiddleClass

      so you have no problem with a second rate education?

      March 1, 2011 at 3:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Stan

      That's nice. You try to make a point but you lace it by calling those that you disagree with as "idiots" and "dipsticks."

      March 1, 2011 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • mpags

      notice the quote – under the "guise" of fiscal responsibility – in other words- which is not a valid concept to these people.
      again – for some reason we think there is gold in the hills. it's all for the kids...

      March 1, 2011 at 3:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Against unions (bullies)

      Im against unions. All they do is protect the lazy bad workers. Yeah there good workers... but you should be able to get rid of bad workers that are costing you more than they should. All that unions do is set their goals and fight until they reach them. They wont even negotiate any lower.

      One of my friends was making 30 bucks an hour working an assembly line on a manufacturing plant. He was 3 years younger and had college education. While I on the other hand was making 25 bucks an hour with a school degree and im still paying that loan off. Really? i get to bust my butt for school so that some guy who thinks he deserves 30 bucks an hour to screw things together makes fights for his right to make a lot of money while other people are struggling to get through school and are very hard workers?

      I took a pay cut last year when we hit the recession..(i still have my job and that im thankful for) NO ONE should be exempt to take a loss or a cut to help support our system. Stop being greedy.. we all took a hit. Id rather have a pay cut than to lose my income.

      I hope this spreads to california.. t here are plenty of school teachers that need to go from my local school district. We need to get the U.S. its education pride back. Stop supporting lazy and unproductive teachers we already have too many of them.

      March 1, 2011 at 3:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ron

      For "Middleclass": I received a fine public school education, and the reason it was fine is that it occured before teachers were unionized.

      March 1, 2011 at 3:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • ScipioRising

      American children have been receiving a second rate education for decades. Throwing more money at the problem will not help, it needs a complete overhaul.

      March 1, 2011 at 3:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Neal

      Privatize all schools and we'll will have a much better education system.

      March 1, 2011 at 3:53 pm | Report abuse |
  12. humberto

    yea, Can all the corupt politicians on the US Senate ethics committee for obstructing justice concerning a criminal complaint against senators and cohorts in the presidents office and courts, they still obstruct justice for their criminal careers and wealth.

    March 1, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Bevans

    Last comment and I will make it as simple as possible so that the Left will understand... For every $1.00 you make in the private sector, the union/public sector makes $1.45. So you are not only paying for their free ride, they are earning more than you. I am not against the American Dream, I am against those that don't pay into the system and only take.

    March 1, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Against unions (bullies)

      sounds like a system for someone to get rich while being unproductive.. *points at Unions* and still keep their job!

      March 1, 2011 at 3:58 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Joe

    Thank God we have these wingnuts like Walker to stir things a bit and wake up majority of Americans. The majority that went asleep after November 2008.

    March 1, 2011 at 3:30 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Steve

    Is it is time to remove the collective corporate bargaining from government?

    March 1, 2011 at 3:31 pm | Report abuse |
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