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NATO starts Libyan surveillance, while U.S., UK, France mull no-fly zone
NATO has launched around-the-clock surveillance flights of Libya as it considers various options for dealing with escalating violence in the war-torn country, America's ambassador to the organization told reporters Monday.
Representatives of key Western powers also highlighted the possibility of establishing a no-fly zone in Libya - part of growing campaign to break strongman Moammar Gadhafi's grip on power.
France, Britain, and the United States are working on a draft text that includes language on a no-fly zone over Libya, diplomatic sources at the United Nations said Monday.
The possible resolution will deal with triggers rather than timelines, one diplomat said. If gross violations of human rights are committed, the diplomat added, the elements could be quickly turned into a resolution.
The text would be subject to a vote by the 15 members of the Security Council. A Security Council diplomat said they were looking to submit the ideas to the council soon.
Any kind of military intervention in Libya could face sharp criticism from Russia and China who rarely approve of such measures.
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The US and allies should not proceed with any military intervention in Libya. This includes the no fly zone option often spoken about by the war mongers in the military and their cohorts in congress. Enough already! Let the Libyan people fight their own civil war. The US should not be militarily involved on any level.
Because the Libyan opposition has advanced anti-air capabilities, right? AK-47's aren't the best methods to destroy tough old-school Soviet aircraft. While sure, military intervention by foreign powers seems a bit excessive, the ends will probably justify the means for the opposition and their goals.
And for those who think NATO is stretching itself thin is quite the opposite, both America, France, and other NATO members have ample supplies of strike fighters and interceptors. I couldn't tell you about the RAF though.
Let's get your facts straight. The position of your so-called military war-mongers i.e. Robert Gates, the Defense Secretary is clear and widely publicized. Please read and do more fact checking before posting ludicrous comments.
Agreed. Enough already, we don't need to get involved in other sovereign nation's affairs. Lets worry about us first.
Actually James you have been drinking the Kool-Aid.
The military has recommended not trying to create a no fly-zone. It is the President that is asking for this and his staff, and congress. They simply ask the military if the military can do it. They say yes.
The military doesn't write their own orders. They do what they are told by your elected officials. Since President Obama is the commander and chief the buck stops there. Truth is that lots of congress folk on both sides of the isle are asking for it as well.
But congress can not ask our UN rep to do anything and they can not order the military to do anything. That all falls 100% on the president and in this case President Obama. All congress can do is support him or not.
It is not as simple as clicking a button and you have a no fly zone. Do you understand what it mean?
it means NOTHING in the sky other than the enforcing party. To do that you needs to remove ALL air defense mechanisms, AA battries, SAM's, AA radar locations, aircraft, air fields, EVERYTHING that can shoot at you or that can "fly".
go ahead readers push that "easy" button. Also are you willing to pay for all this? Cost of Aircraft carriers, aviation fuel, crews, runways, radar operators, possible civilian casualties, possible friendly losses (man and material), political backlash etc... etc...
Does anyone have the slightest idea what this MASSIVE underrating this will be? And then to coordinate with various countries?
Please go ahead and click on that "easy" button !!
Too bad the Staples company doesn't have an armed forces Col. Patrick. 🙂
he only reason the military should be used is for an existential threat. You guys go on living, drink your starbucks and fuel your cars without making any sacrifices–and then send your military into harms way...so it can protect your standard of living? Get real, the U.S. does not need to stick its nose into everything, in the end we look lik ethe bad guys, have spent a ton of money and are mocked by civilian back home that don't have a clue other than what CNN tells them anyways.
I totally agree. It is a waste of our budget money, and can cause useless casualties. I believe we should let the Libyian People fight and we bring our people home safe.
If anyone says this has nothing to do with us your stuipd. have none of ya'll seen the price of gas holy crap now come this is afecting me every time I drive
I totally agree with both of you,James and Michael. You two have the right idea. All the warmongering idiots here make me sick by vomiting their ignorance on this page. There is absolutely no glory in war,just heartache for those on the receiving end!!!
This entire news story has been yet another hoax from beginning to end. Qaddafi himself has said that it is (UK-US backed) groups of Al Quaida fighters that are causing all the trouble with civilians caught in the middle. That sounds like a more reliable statement than anything reported by the BBC, AP, Reuters, J*ew York Times, Canwest Global, Conrad Black and the rest of the neo-con artist liars in control of the media
Disagree. A no-fly zone would be cheap, incur few casualties if any, and would level the playing field. Gaddafi is finished, right now it's a matter of how many thousands he takes with him. Whoever wins will remember what side we were on.
Whay doesn't Obomba do something?
He is....
If you could get out from under your daddy long enough to read the whole article, you would know.
he is gutless
unfortunately the US is bound by the same rules of the United Nations pact. We just can't arbitrarily go in and "take him out" nor can we intervene without the security councils approval. Once it is proven human atrocities are being done, I am sure the world will see us react and do what is needed.
@Paul: Sure we can. That is one of the benefits of being one of the 5 permanent members of the security council with VETO power. We can do whatever we want, whenever we want and there is nothing the UN can do about it. Why do you think the 5 permanent members agreed to create an international body? You do so only if the rules do not ULTIMATELY apply to you, but DO to the other 180 some odd countries out there.
That's due to the PR. He wants the U.S. to look good.
Obama shouldnt do anything. We shouldnt do anything. We should allow someone else to take the reins on this one and stand by for support if needed. I dont understand why people are complaining about the US not taking action. We do not need to spread our troops out anymore than they already are.
We didn't fight our own "revolutionary war" back in 1770's, so why is it we expect others striving for freedom to go it alone? Without France's Naval assistance, it is very questionable as to whether or not we would have successfully defeated King George of Great Britain. I see air support in the form of a no-fly zone exactly parallel to the Naval support we received. They WILL be fighting their own civil war...we will just even the odds a bit 🙂 Why is that so bad?
My fifth great grandfather, Capt. Jean Audubon, is a French Patriot in the books having been given command of an American warship and having fought the British during the Revolutionary War. He was imprisoned in NYC for 18 months. While on board a French ship, he witnessed the surrender of the British forces. So it is true that without the French, there is a good chance we would not be the United States of America. Freedom should be considered a birthright for all people, and if some need help achieving freedom, we should help as should other "free" countries. We fought to save each other during WWI and II.
@Lila...well said.
These people hate us even more than the Iraqis did.
If we do anything in Libya, I reccomned turning it into glass.
We can still drill thru glass can't we?
Worlds biggest skating rink.
I always see this answer: Glass this. Glass that. Glass them all!
Is that your solution for everyone that hates the US and for good reason? Think for just a second and see why as soon as the US goes rogue and drops a nuke, it will in turn be glassed to hell and gone, and rightfully so.
Send in some of that fabulous weaponry we have all paid for – bet you we know right where he is. Surgically remove him. Quick and deadly we have the abilities and they should be used. Of course it would be nice to have some allies on board. He is killing innocent people every day. What the h are we waiting for?
Damn right, Like I said send in the Marines.. I'm graduating in about 2 months.. I signed so I hope they let me be apart of saving those people. Hoo-ah!
Thank you two above,I just love your posts as they show that ignorance is still here and growing ever stronger with each day. How do you think I ever got to be Vice President???
Tell that to the women Anderson Cooper interviewed over the phone who was pleading for a NO-FLY zone while locked in her house
Mary CNN probably handed her a few bucks said hide in here and act all scared and beg for help etc etc etc.
Good one John
Anderson Cooper makes me hot though. I know he is gay but I could change him.
Once again the U.S sticks its nose in a place it doesn't belong. What are we going to do when all and I do mean all of the other countries get tired of the U.S. doing this and decide to put an end to it once and for all?
If the "other countries" do not have the stomach to assist in taking out a few out-dated soviet planes, they will hardly have the stomach to fight us...especially when it means they would lose....even united against us. Like it or not, the WORLD relies on the united states ECONOMICALLY.
Take nukes out of the equation (no rational country will use them)...and the world's combined "power" wouldn't stand up to the USA alone. Economic embargo China...2 billion people (including their military) starve to death. Russia will mind its own business...and Europe would never go against us. Canada, UK, Australia especially have a "special relationship" with the USA so you can take them out of the mix.
What you end up with is a bunch of rag tag countries with absolutely NO HOPE of ever taking on the USA militarily, economically, or politically (through the UN).
That's long overdue John. I,for one am already sick and tired of it. The U.S. has absolutely no business in Libya!!!
Oh boy, France... France and Obama... now there's a team of go-getters.
Right,bbebbetter. Just like Hitler and Mussolini back in 1940!!!
Why is it the responsibility of Westerners to save Libya's people? Why can't other arabs come to the rescue? Egypt has a massive military and is supposedly run by "the people" now. Arabs obviously don't care for oneanother at all if they are allowing an arab leader to bomb his own arab population. Many Arabs lands and Turkey have airforces and could easily drop a few bombs on the Libyan airforce bases and take them out.
We must because no one else will. It is not a question of ability...it is a question of "good men doing something to prevent evil from triumphing". The Arab countries, allies or not, are not ran by "good men".
I agree. Imposing the "On Fly" will mean getting bogged down in another region that we do not need to be involved. This will take strong, substained military might to accomplish it.
Send in the Marines! Hoo-ah!!!! Go get em marines!!!!
Only if you take point 🙂
Spoken with all the bravado of a man sitting behind a keyboard.
Watch it,Mario. Your ignorance is showing!!!
Let's get out of some of these other areas before getting into another.
Hopefully Russia and China will veto this resolution.If not then let France and Britian go for it– it is their turn.
We are tied up and broke get it !!
Hopefully they wont. Russia and China will condemn it publicly, but they will abstain from voting. The vote will be 13-0.
I feel for the people of Libya, but they Hate us with a passion. They hate the west, they blame the west and the jews for all of their problems and they hate Christians too. They HATE us and will slaughter us for intervening even if we are trying to help them. They are filled with absolute, total hatred for the west.
The hundreds of Americans that lived and worked there can tell you different. Maybe it's you..