The list of collateral effects of a potential government shutdown keeps growing and people are none too pleased about it. Here are just a few of the negative impacts that could arise if Congress and the White House fail to reach an agreement on the budget (click here to view in chart form):
- The lawmakers who hold the cards will still get paid. Their staffers might be furloughed, though. That has prompted a few lawmakers to announceÂ they'll refuse shutdown pay,but even that has elicited critiques of political posturing.
- Roughly 800,000 federal workers won't get paid because they're considered nonessential and therefore, the first to be furloughed. That includes people who work in national parks because they'll be closed, ruining countless long family road trips. And it's not just the loss of income that hurts - for many, it's being labeled dispensable when they know their jobs are anything but nonessential.
- As the shutdown looms,Â some political leaders are taking the opportunity to fundraise and rally their supporters. The executive director of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee sent out an appeal asking for a minimum $5 donation saying the organization wants to raise $100,000 in the next 36 hours.
- You'll still get your Social Security checks but don't expect anyone to be around to answer your questions about benefits. The people who take questions on Social Security and Medicare questions will not be at work and most government websites will shut down or have limited functionality.
- Various agencies with the Department of Health and Human Services will operate in a patchwork fashion. The National Institutes of Health will not acceptÂ new patients or start new clinical trials. The Food and Drug AdministrationÂ won't operate at full capacity but will have some inspectors on staff.Â As a result, all FDA inspections of food processing facilities and drug manufacturing plants will be prioritized by risk.
- Word is getting around that a government shutdown doesn't actually save taxpayers money. For one, it will cost the government money to ensure a smooth transition to a shutdown. Then there's the lost revenue from a variety of sources, from government services to gift shops in government-run attractions such as Yosemite National Park and DC's National Gallery of Art.
How would a government shutdown anger you?
Let's be real about this... When President Obama was elected to office, he walked into a **** storm, that was NOT created overnight, therefore, will not be FIXED overnight either. Oh yea, it's about to get real bad, before it gets any better. It's not that he is not capable of turning this country around, because he is well capable of doing it; he just has some very VERY difficult decisions to make, with very little to work with, to even get this country back on track!! So don't blame the man for EVERYTHING, because this is not all his fault...
It is getting so OLD blaming the last President. You are really ignorant if you don't see the damage done in the past couple of years.
Yeah, that is so old. Quit living in the past. Two wars, collapse of the economy. We aren't dealing with that anymore. Oh wait...
Totally agree, but unfortunately, this is going to fall mostly on deaf/ignorant ears.
You are 100% percent correct VonNik. But it is hard to measure how "less worse" it is now, than what it could have been, and people don't care about what has been done, only what has not been done. My experience in watching politics in the country has given me the impression that most voters are very short sighted. They want a quick fix to the problems du jour, without thinking about what else is looming directly on the horizon. The squeaky wheels get the grease, even if the grease is needed desperately elsewhere.
see? you didn't even blame it on Bush – which duh, it wasn't just his fault – and someone is already butt hurt about the comment...
Why is everyone so obsessed with pointing the finger and trying to blame ANY president? CONGRESS is the reason why he budget hasn't passed. Stop getting hung up on which president did what and look at the big picture. America is the greatest country in the world, but partisan politics are going to destroy us.
Going to, Travis? It's starting to look more and more like they already have.
You can't blame any president really. He doesn't have the power to change whatever he wants. Our government is a system of very greedy people who forget to see the possible outcomes of their decisions. It's like "stop funding for this small thing now so we have to spend billions of dollars for years on what it prevents" You can only blame human nature because that is just how people act.
@4LordGod: Listen to conservative talk radio. They're still blaming Clinton. Ever hear this one: "Let he who is without sin cast thefirst stone."
Because the president is the figurehead of the government and can be focused on, unlike a large group such as Congress. It doesn't matter or even figure into most people's opinion that he is only one of three points in the system and is often just an outlet for hundreds of people that work with or around him.
And Vonnik is correct, the US public has a lousy long-term vision, poor memory of the past, and only wants a quick fix to things that have been evolving since before the Roosevelt's New Deal. Its only been about two years but Obama looks like he has aged 10 under the weight of the unattainable. Pundits love to point out his early promises but neither he nor they knew how bad things would get.
I can think of one word to sum up a major screw up from Obama...........OBAMACARE !!
I can think of several Obama, Bush Jr., Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, Carter etc. mistakes. The point is that they can not make these mistakes without the approval of the House and Senate. So stop trying to point the finger at a certain president because all you are doing is pointing the finger at the party he represents. Republicans hate Obama and Clinton and Democrats hate the Bushes and Reagan, we get it. Like I said earlier, it is these partisan politics that are destroying our country. No one thinks for themselves anymore. People just say "I'm republican so fukk the Democrats" and vice versa.
Our government waged war on several troubled nations in the middle east, WITHOUT the approval of congress. Again, WITHOUT the approval of congress. (Checks and balances anyone? 3 branches of gvmt? Cmon its elementary stuff).
Also in order for our country to declare war on another nation, we must have legitimate reasons. Reasons that include AN ATTACK on US soil or its people; not just a SUSPECTED or POSSIBLE threat; much like the non-existant "wmd's" that our government suspected these middle eastern countries were harboring. Our very own government has created laws to bend other laws into their favor.
This stupid budget that they want to negotiate can easily be met by ending these pointless wars. Not by cutting medicare, welfare, and grants. ESPECIALLY in this economy. A shutdown will further ruin out financial state and strain american families. No country out there poses any sort of threat to the US, so why stick our nosewhere its not wanted? The answer is simply greed. There are after things that the refuse to let the public know.
Wake up people, it doesn't take a genius to realize that our government is toying with us. There's a government behind our government, the one we don't see or here. These "officials" you see in the media are mere puppets.
Open your eyes.
I completely agree VonNik – nothing that went on in the last 2 years can be blamed for whats taking place now – these things were all set in motion decades ago, maybe even a full century or more. *coughoilcough* The problem is that people are only NOW suffering on an "at home" level, at least on a much wider scale than normal, where they could ignore it before, poverty is going to be forced on all of us, and they need someone to blame for it. It doesn't matter who the president is, the money in this country isn't even real, only 20% of its even bothered to be printed, the wars we're volunteering to fight aren't ours half the time, but we still shell out billions of $ to go. But ok, let them blame the president if it helps them sleep.
@4LordGod...Yes we can! What happened to the surplus Clinton left Bush? Oh, that's right, Bush spent it on WAR and all those weapons of mass destruction. God, I feel so much better now that we are safer and BROKE.
Agreed! Obama walked into a disaster not of his own making, and people need to get real if they think that 8 years of mess-making can be cleaned up in less than 4. The mess he inherited is intimidating at best, and most of us would not be organized enough to even get a grip on where to begin. Obama has his hands full, but he is doing an admirable job, and is accomplishing a lot. Just give him time... Bush and his administration got 8 years to create the mess that Obama is cleaning up, PLUS he is doing his best to fulfill his campaign promises. Things can't be fixed overnight. People need to be patient.
First off it's very obvious Obama is not making any decisions. Congress has always been the ones who control any president that has ever been elected. And what really ticks me off is that when the shutdown happens and it will they will still get paid. And most if not all of them are millionaires. They are nothing but a bunch of corrupt thugs sitting on their behinds getting rich while we get poorer. They don't care about us. They never have.
How about us troops we defend freedom everyday we don't get paid much as it is and Obama wants to veto a temporary fix for the department of defense get the **** outta here without us troops America ain't nothin!
I am currently deployed in the Middle East in an undisclosed location. I just checked my pay online and I am only getting paid a little more than half of my pay because of this budget debate. I have bills, a wife, and a son to take care of and half of my pay is not cutting it. I hope that the government can stop forgetting about the "Little people". They need to come out of their bubble and walk in our shoes for a day. I'll tell you one thing, there was a revolution in 1776, and if the people running this government don't start getting their agendas in check, and remember that they are here to work for the people, we may need to rethink who is running the show up there in Washington. That doesn't just go for the President...... I'm talking about everyone.
Well you voted for these idiots because no one wants to pay taxes so enjoy. Everyone wants a free lunch but there is no free lunch. Just lots of free idiots.
@4LordGod It's getting old people blaming Obama for Bush's mess. It took Bush 8 years to create this mess. Obama can't clean it up in 4.
Another one that the article MISSES is home sales will be slowed. Anybody in the middle of or thinking about starting up an FHA loan will be screwed untl the govt "gets back to work." That puts more inventory on the market and may cause some deals to fall through, which affects your home values even if you're not selling or buying right now. Enjoy.
It's sad if there will be shut down. US military men won't get paid and yet illegals will still receive free money and services.
That is messed up, the people who r fighting for our country will not be paid. But the millions on food stamps, social sec. and state income will get money no problem.....
ur president ordered the NO military pay to show he has the last word then and blame everyone else
It's so sad that the Republicans have this much power in our country. I mean remember the last time this happened? Guess what? It was the LAST time there was a Democrat President in office. It's so very sad to see the state of affairs before us. They literally have us hostage and there is nothing we can do. and they are just laughing all the way to their Swiss bank accounts to get their $ and to help their rich friends and corporate demogogues.. it's sickening. Why do they hate Democrats so much? they are like spoiled 3-year olds who are not getting their way. And it all started when a Democrat once again won the White House.. they want to ensure it doesn't happen. They want complete and unfounded control. They will stop at nothing to get it. Trust me.. we don't know the depths of their souls. Yes we know the purse strings need to be tightened but at the cost of losing 800,000+ thousands of jobs right now? Especially when the economy is already struggling and people are hardly able to find jobs as it is. I'm just saying it's a disgrace. I hate to see President Obama up against this I really do. Especially when "REAL WORK" actually needs to be done!!!
I don't think it's right that our troops don't receive money, but just what services do you think are handing money away to illegals? Do you realize how dependent social security is on illegals paying money into the service and not getting anything back?
Illegals and people that dony need. Pay the troops, cut useless programs, and monitor welfare fraud
Oh, so military women *will* get paid? That's neat.
Military not getting paid = casualties of war – nothing you can do about it – cept come here and complain
I totally agree. Every troop should get paid. You know what? Here's an idea. Get rid of all the rich snobby people in congress and put war veterans in there place. They are real people with everyday problems like you and me. And I think just maybe things would be alot different.
Time to run this country Dave Raised style..debt is dumb and cash is king.
You mean Dave Ramsey...??? Haha and I totally agree. This country is totally screwed because DEBT is so widely accepted as the normal. Disgusting.
This is what the media and the government wants......fear. I am not going to stress about it till I hear the final decision. And I do agree when its time to vote DO NOT REELECT ANYONE! And why is the military paid less than police, fbi etc seriously are you kidding me they do just as much work and put their lives on the line just as much if not more. How can anyone say they dont need to get paid? You must be a total moron and have never served yourself! And yes I agree on the paycut because if they truly cared about the ppl then they wouldnt need so much pay. But also keep in mind look at all these ppl getting welfare and ssi REALLY LOOK! Why are single ppl with no children getting medical and foodstamps get a job! Why are ppl that have nothing wrong with them and are able to work getting ssi before 65? Why is anyone paying taxes to support someone that can work! We must all stand together or we will all fall one by one. Our government is a joke yes but we the ppl elected them! I say Obama you're fired! Have some balls start walking quit talking. Clinton did a way better job than any fool that followed him period! Good luck to everyone that serves and god bless I am very thankful and proud not only of my husband that serves but everyone in the military.
OMG...another "so-called patriot" blames Obama! Sure, he started all this right? Obama fell into a pot of S...T when he took office. He said it's going to take TIME! U people want a "quck fix" for the mess of the last 8 yrs w/Bush! Our military personnel putting down the gov't? It's a mockery of the men & women who died for our country! What kind of people have infiltrated our troops & speak against our country? It's a form of TREASON!! I can't believe any servicemen/women putting down their "Commander in Chief." He is your boss!! Do u burn the flag as well? Disgraceful!
Isn't this a volunteer army? If the life is not for you, DON'T JOIN. Let's face it, people DO join. Why? The big motive is because it is their best financial choice. You don't see too many of the highly-educated with brighter futures elsewhere in the economy serving, do you? Sure, some soldiers are also motivated by a sense of patriotism, but if you are or were, then be a patriot and stop whining.
To all readers: Don't even think of handing me this crap about you serving to make me free and giving me the right to speak my mind here. No war after World War Two has been fought for my freedom. If they were, I wouldn't have been 'free' after we lost in Vietnam. Or perhaps even after the US fought to a draw in Korea. And certainly not after the invasion of Iraq and the disruption of the equilibrium in the Middle East, which has only served to bolster the position of Iran in the region. But the fact is: Our freedom (except maybe for the freedom of our corporations to make money) has never been at stake. No foriegn power threatening to over run the US has been defeated by our military for the past 55 years. Of course, this says nothing about the bravery and competence of the soldiers who fought after World War Two, (despite losing the war, the US military never lost a battle in Vietnam) but only about the lame politicians who sent the US military to distant lands with no concrete mission and sometimes with no obvious enemy.
This happened while clinton was in office as well
ur absoutely right ARMYWIFE, JUST A MAN WITH A THOUGHT. The government does not care about you, only serving their own needs as the rich get richer Sarros, GE, AeG, WALL ST, etc...u know the contridictory "folks" who dont pay taxes cause they give to the party of choice. Its the good ole boys club. Ask urself how many billions of dollars does ur government sends to Syria, Parkistan, Iran, Afghanistan, Irag every single month.... o they tangled web they weave and its just all a game with your hard working dollars. WAKE UP AMERICA
Transparancy my ass.
@John...the men and women who fight do so to keep you safe, thus giving you the freedom to be ungrateful and ignorant
@keri women belong in the kitchen. You're obviously too ignorant to see the big picture so why don't you just gtfo?
If the blind lead the blind both fall in the ditch. Why is it that all think they are the only one who has ever worked and that there check is the only one taxed. If all were doing a good job, we would not have poor among us. The job market is not what it use to be , nor is mankind . This country is now founded on the dollar bill and every man for himself , not caring really for his neighbor . This is why the economy is bad . You see God said he would supply . It is up to us to share and not be greedy , you think ?
Armywife is right. I lived in Louisiana preaching the word for two years and there is nobody I love more than those people, I think about them everyday. That being said, the majority on welfare choose to be on welfare. I was at a "home" of a family of 7 men. We were there in the. Middle of the day and one of the men mentioned that none of them had a job. I was nwe in the area so I ignorantly asked if any ofthem were looking for jobs. The response i got shocked and horrified me. All 7 men busted out in laughter and one said to me, "why would we go get jobs if the government is paying us not to have jobs?!"!!!!! Now I'm not saying that everyone o welfre is like that, but a huge majority of the people I met were. But for nyone to be as ignorant and selfish as to say that people in the miitary are only there because it was their best option financially doesn't deserve the freedom that those soldiers protect. And remember when Obama promised to, "cut the deficit in half by the end of my first term"?????? The liberals really like to forget about that, don't they?
Well I wondered when someone would be misinformed but single ppl don't get food stamps or help from the government. The ones that get all this are the families with children and the one that don't have children are penalized. Where I live in South Texas, if you don't have children then you don't get anything. Where do you live? Sounds like a nice state. The ones that need to be cut off from the programs are the illegals, they come here to have babies and then are given food stamps, SSI, Medicaid, ect. Obama isn't the main player in this game, CONGRESS is. In the next elections we should not vote for anyone running for re-election anyone that has been their for 2 terms knows how to play the game and we need new players. I wonder how many paper clip laws get attached to this budget bill when no one is looking.
@ John. You argue that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan do nothing to protect you or your freedoms. Look at the numbers. In the ten years leading up to and including 9/11, 3,212 civilians were killed on US Soil by terrorist attacks motivated by Islamic extremists, with another 7,000+ injured. In the ten years following the attacks there has been only 1 civilian killed and 27 wounded on US Soil in terrorist attacks motivated by Islamic extremists. These were small scale attacks motivated by individual persons and not large-scale organized attacks by groups like Al Qaeda. If you include attacks against US Military personnel, that number would rise to 15 killed, but then you must also consider the USS Cole prior to 9/11 in which 17 Sailors were killed. This point would only serve to highlight that your military is paying the price for your safety and freedom. You cannot deny the fact that these wars, while unpopular, have dramatically reduced the terrorist threat to the United States. Islamic extremist terrorist attacks are launched in an aim to destroy everything that US stands for, which includes many of your basic freedoms that you claim these wars do nothing to protect. You state the last great threat to the US was WWII, but the only attack on US Soil in WWII killed over a 1,000 less than terrorist attacks I mention above, which is stated not to downplay the threat to the US in WWII, but merely to provide a basis for tangible comparison.
I feel that a more appropriate argument for you to take would have been to debate whether or not the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are worth the safety and protection they provide the people in the US in terms of both the financial impact on our country and the human on those fighting it. Regardless of your belief in whether or not these wars should have been started, it is a clear fact that our servicemen and women have dismantled Al Qaeda's ability to launch large scale attacks against the US, and provided unprecedented protection to American Citizens, and have paid for this protection through their own self-sacrifice.
@SNL H3LL YEAH!!!!!!!!!
Time to run this country Dave Ramsey style..debt is dumb and cash is king.
I'm a student in college and I don't think I have ever been more afriad of what is to come. I'm an ROTC cadet here in Missouri and both of my parents work on Base at Ft. Leonard Wood. I fear for my future as I have no clue what will happen if both of them are laid off. I knew the government had always been in a hole but I never realized just how badly it could affect me personally. I pray that a solution comes through as I have no idea what the future may hold if both are jobless.
Please stay calm. We have faced this same scenario before, and it all worked out. Try to have confidence that history will repeat itself. You are not the only person in the troubled situation, and I predict that the govt. will resolve itself and all will go on as usual. After all, how many Congressmen will want to lost THEIR paychecks?
David, not to worry. They can collect unemployment...like the rest of us. Hopefully, this will all be resolved within 26 wks. If not, apply for an extention; that should buy enough time till the next election. If Rep win, we can blame them; if Obama gets re-elected, we can blame him AGAIN. We've become the laughing stock of the world...bickering like children. The way things are headed, I'm glad I'm not starting out in life now....my "good ole days" certainly were the "good ole days!" I don't see this generation saying that 30 yrs from now :0
David....I understand your fears because I am a marine wife with three kids to feed and haveno clue how I will do that if thing takes place! This did happen in 95 but they were smart enough to ensure miltary pay! And let's get real people....not one politician will have to hand over their 175,000/yr paycheck! Oh wait....multiply that by 421.....that's a lot of money we could save!! Yes, my husband did sign that dotted line and has for over 12 years now but, he was also PROMISED in that very contract to be paid. My question to those out there running your mouths about don't join blah bah, be gald they do or your happy butt could get drafted to go get shot at and watch your brothers and sisters die for a country that doesn't give two craps about them! As for our fearless leader....wake up people....did he take on the mess from Bush, of course however, taking our debt from bad to absolutely RIDICULOUS is on him! He has a chance to make things right with the men and women sitting on that wall saying "sleep sweet tonight America, I'm here ready and willing ti die for you" instead....he goes on TV talking about passports and national parks and saying he WILL veto if or when the bill the house passed gets to him. You know, the bill to protect military pay. GREAT commander and Cheif! No better way to motivate than to say your not getting paid! Oh and btw....last time I checked (unless of course a phone call was made....I mean I guess its possible :-/) BUSH had NOTHING to do with yet another war we find ourselves embarking on! One thing I give Bush....at least he did it legally and got the go ahead from congress to go into OIF and OEF! I'm just sayin.....
I am deaply sadened by how america has turned out why are we argueing agasint each other ? why cant the dem an the rep partys not willing to get along for " americas sake ? " do all these people have there head stuck so far up there keester that they are hurting america as a hole ! What will the rest of the world think were a bunch of little kids fighting over the playground equipment ! GROW UP AMERICANS !!!!
Because this is what happens when you build your entire political atmosphere on Us vs Them. And no, its not the dems. The republicans where the ones who started into this presidency with the policy of just saying no to anything and everything. They have no room for compromise, so now here we are 5 months after we extended Tax Cuts we couldn't afford, and no willingless to actually shave spending that counts.
Oh, and How about them jobs. So far the Republican's mandate has been to kill jobs, not create them.
Wow a govt shutdown, way to put the icing on the cake.
How un-American like just because angry rich people can't decide on a budgetwe all have to suffer?
The bad nes keeps on piling up. Weren't the thousands of tons of nuclear water spilling in to the pacific
Enough damage? Like that other guy said, I'm taking my trash to !oehlers house!
maybe you should take your trash to Reids house.
Amanda: If you want to see the trash, look in the mirror. Hopefully, your double-wide has one.
I don't know John, she looks pretty good to me!
Bring it on. Useless spending funding of a war which even isn't our. This country is pathetic. One other thing also is our countries obsession with purchasing things we don't need. This was. Obviously going to happen. Thank you politicians. This country needs a change. Overthrow the government and rebuild
I couldn't have said it better!
Repubs mostly put us in this mess, taking a $400 billion yearly surpluss in 2000 and within 8 years turned it into trillion dollar deficits for the sake of political gain in the form of tax cuts. We are paying for those Bush tax cuts now, which did not have an equivalent amount of reduced government spending (so much for the Repub mantra that decreased taxes increases spending and therefor revenue). A solution cannot be made with cuts alone. I would be willing to pay slightly higher taxes IF ONLY the wasteful spending would end, and it would help us dig out of this mess. Unfortunately, I am not optimistic this will happen.
Ummm.......Obama has spent way more than Bush ever dreamed of spending.
Bush sold our country to China & the Middle East. Republicans suck, get over it!!
The deficit did exist when Obama took office... it's just the facts people. If you don't want to believe the facts then that's your choice. But please don't try to 'modify' the facts! Thanks!!
Combination of letting the top 10 percent get away with what they want while investing in a 11 year and counting military action which involved dumping money into an empty pit in the middle east. Oh, and companies that the VP had ties with.
The rich have taken their All Time Low taxes and basically invested everywhere but in America.
@ladybug...not the blame Bush game! AGAIN?...Why not Clinton and his policies? You're forgetting that a lot of the regulations, laws and exceptions we have today are because of Clinton
Tea Party, you must buy the USA back from China before you can take it back from whom ever-not Blacks
Just goes to show how much our govt greedy big ol hands r really in everything!
You wanted the Tea Party zealots, you got 'em.
This whole situation should have never come to this. I am embarassed that our government whom we elected into office cannot come up with a reasonable solution. I am embarrassed that our elected officials are even having to think about taking a cut in pay. The realism is they should be working without pay at all because they FAILED to come up with a budget which will work. There should be NO pay at all for ALL of congress. If I fail to do my job in my line of work which is healthcare as a nurse I would get fired, lose my license, and be brought under criminal charges of negligence and patient abandonment. Why can't we hold the government accountable for it's actions. I find it really horrifying that we live in a county where the wealthiest one percent of the population holds meetings on how to get richer, and yet we are struggling to properly pay our troops oversees who are fighting and losing their lives for this county's well being. two months ago I lost my brother after having him serve two tours over-seas. I think this whole situation is awful. Who is going to stand for the military families who are stuggling to make ends meet. IS anyone going to say "pardon me sir but this officer or enlisted man was busy serving his country when his pay was cut so PLEASE DONT TAKE HIS/HER house? NO, nobody in congress is going to help with that. So I want to know WHAT QUALIFIES SOMEONE TO BE IN CONGRESS AND BS LIKE THIS???? How immoral are they. This makes no sense. THIS IS NOT DEMOCRATIC or REPUBLICAN. It is just plain off the charts
Other than the military pay, there is nothing on this list that matters compared to the bigger problem of our massive debt. Let the government stay shutdown until we get some meaningful budget cuts. In the meantime, pass legislation to allow the military to get paid during the shutdown.
I say: Discharge them all. That would solve the budget problem and deprive the lame politicians from getting themselves into trouble playing with their toy army.