Overheard on CNN.com: More states increase abortion restrictions
April 14th, 2011
05:27 PM ET

Overheard on CNN.com: More states increase abortion restrictions

"Even with the best birth control, women become inadvertently pregnant. Pro-lifers will tell that young woman she must have that baby, then ignore the suffering of the unwanted child who lives in abject poverty for life. I wonder how many conservatives have spoken out against a national health care system to provide medical care for the children of single mothers."–Aginghippy

More states restrict abortions; group says trend 'unparalleled'

Arizona recently banned public funding to train physicians to perform abortions; the state also banned tax credits for donations to Planned Parenthood. Kansas joined Nebraska in banning abortions after 21 weeks because of “fetal pain.” Many CNN.com readers said the new laws showed church entanglement with state policies.

pfriedkin said, "The push for these laws are purely the work of Christian extremists. Their "social" agenda is really a religious agenda and an attempt for force everyone to do what they say." Jilli asked, "Can burkhas be far behind?"

AngryDeuce said, "This is why churches should not get tax-free status: the money they claim is going to help the needy is going to lobbyist groups and perverting our political system with their beliefs. You want tax-exempt status, you show me the soup kitchen or homeless shelter it is funding. One penny goes to politics, and you lose your tax-free card for 5 years. That's how it ought to be."

Many questioned why states would withhold funding for abortions when society might have to pay for the future problems that might cause.  casselli said, "Is the GOP going to support all of these unwanted babies? What is going to happen when some of these women that will not take care of these babies start having them instead of having that procedure?"

Guest said, "I'd rather my tax money pay for an abortion than for the child's maintenance for 21 years."

Thrillhouse said, "Legalized and accessible abortion has shown a strong correlation with reduced crime rates. Right or wrong, there are very real consequences of forcing individuals to have unwanted children."

But others were more concerned about who pays the bill now. When enalunar said, "Keep your politics out of my uterus!" TK1957 answered, "Keep my tax dollars out of your uterus too." And frespech said, "Keep your mind in control of your uterus."

FREEDOM4 said, "You want birth control? Pay for it yourself. You want an abortion? Pay for it yourself. The taxpayers are maxxed out. We're willing to pay to care for the elderly, the sick and the disabled, but that's it. If you're an able-bodied person, pay for your own sex life."

18 years after Waco, Davidians believe Koresh was God

Nearly 20 years ago, 76 followers of self-proclaimed prophet David Koresh lost their lives during an FBI raid. The group was stockpiling machine guns and Koresh had engaged in sexual acts with underage Davidian girls, according to many sources. Some survivors still await Koresh’s return.

ZooperDoink said, "America's not a melting pot, it's a cereal bowl. Full of nuts, fruits, and flakes."

MarkDudier said, "He was more like a pedophile with a Jesus complex."

s33k3r75 said, "As crazy as this is, people have a fundamental right to join a cult and believe what they want. But no one has a right to rape underage kids or send their kids to be raped by the cult leader."

SadPanda said, "Have you ever noticed that the common denominator in cults and the like is that the leader gets to have sex with all the women? It's never about finding God or anything else, it's just so the main guy can fulfill some weird fantasies he never got to experience living in his mom's basement."

flippin said, "It's so sad how some are so easily brainwashed. And it's scary that someone like Koresh can so easily convince so many that he is God. He was a space cadet, a hypocrite, a sleeze, a liar, a pedophile, a thief, a murderer. Yet all these people were convinced he was God in the flesh. So much that they let their children be abused, suffer, and ultimately be killed in a fire."

Pleo said, "Given the enormity of the tragedy, and the loss of loved ones, it's easier for some of these people to believe they were right and their loved ones "died for Jesus,” than it is for them to accept the truth that they were duped by a charismatic cult leader. Very sad story."

tadam74811 said, "Koresh was as insane as Charles Manson, and unfortunately his followers were blinded by the craziness that sometimes accompanies religious fervor."

iRichard said, "Jim Jones, Terry Jones, Westboro, and Islamic extremists are all examples of the danger of radical religion. Our forefathers certainly knew what they were doing when they separated church and state."

Zsa Zsa Gabor to become new mother at 94, husband says

Zsa Zsa Gabor’s husband, Prince Frederic von Anhalt, wants to have a child “with” his 94-year old wife, using a donated egg, surrogate mother, and artificial insemination. lienn said, "Please tell me this is a joke!!!" CosMcOldGuy said, "Madness! Leave the poor old lady alone. She had a great run."

TheSwan1213 said, "A 67-year-old man (adopted as an adult to become a prince) wants to have a child with a 94-year-old one-legged bed-bound former actress? These people are nuts!!"

tovia said, "If his plan is for all three of them to wear diapers at the same time, then his timing is impeccable."

citizenUSA said, "So baby's first outing will be her mother's funeral."

AndyDaniel said, "I would bet that Zsa Zsa Gabor is not even aware of this statement by her husband, who in the past has done several bizarre things for publicity, including claiming to be the father or Anna Nicole Smith's baby, and claiming he was robbed and handcuffed naked to his car by a group of women. This will go exactly nowhere."

After expressing shock, many CNN.com readers began to speculate about the real purpose for pursuing paternity.

rebeyeh said, "So, technically it wouldn't be Zsa Zsa's natural offspring if they're using an egg donor and his sperm. She already has an heir, her daughter; this guy is afraid he won't get a penny when she dies."

kowalski66 said, "He is pretty shrewd, if you ask me! He is worried about the inheritance, and a baby with his seed will help seal the deal." TNopinion agreed, "I guess he's thinking if they have a joint child together, said child will inherit half the fortune and he will claim it by proxy."

LordPet said, "I suppose it's a way to make it harder for Francesca Hilton to contest the will." sD1 said, "Sounds like her daughter needs to be visiting a lawyer on Zsa-Zsa's behalf and soon."

Compiled by the CNN.com moderation staff. Some comments edited for length or clarity.

soundoff (187 Responses)
  1. Dim Mak

    It is kind of a hypocrisy to prevent abortions then object to social programs for single mothers. I personally object to abortions as a form of birth control, but I trust that God will dole out punishment if it is truly wrong. Christians always use their faith as a reason to object, but don't really trust god to sort things out. As long as tax money doesn't pay for them then everyone gets what they want. I'd much rather see birth control made accessible for at risk girls than taxes going to welfare or abortions.

    April 14, 2011 at 5:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Irene M

      Why do these people who claim they don't want the government to interfere in their lives yet feel they have a perfect right to tell everyone what they can and cannot do and who they can and cannot marry. Do they not remember that this country was founded on personal freedom and personal civil rights. What is wrong with the moderates in this country who allow these people a forum for their hate? Only God can be the judge of what we do right or wrong. These people are not pro-life, they are pro-birth as evidenced as they are so willing to cut health care, nutrition and education for the poorest of the poor. Shame on them. I hope God is watching.

      April 14, 2011 at 8:34 pm | Report abuse |
  2. 6 6 6

    Satan says : You may enter this Blog room , just come in and leave your soul at the door cause all of your a$$ es already belong to ME !!!..... ha Ha Ha Ha ha !

    April 14, 2011 at 5:52 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Ancient Texan

    50 million babies killed since Roe v. Wade and among them some were our future leaders. We've chosen a very severe form of birth control to eliminate an inconvience.

    April 14, 2011 at 6:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Megan

      As an unwanted child, they were WAY more likely to end up as a criminal than as a leader. Unwanted children tend to not get the best parenting. As someone mentioned above, legal abortion is tied to reduced crime rates for that reason.

      April 14, 2011 at 7:00 pm | Report abuse |
  4. banasy

    @Dim Mak: I agree with you. Abortion should never be used as a form of birth control. I think it's just madness that some right-to-lifers are wanting to ban the morning after pill; what they don't realize is that the morning after pill is intended to prevent conception, just like birth control pills and condoms. Conception doesn't automatically occur after intercourse; but people tend to take their agenda too far.

    Twenty years since Koresh? God, I'm getting old.


    What is Zsa Zsa's husband thinking? Oh, that's right. $$$$$$

    If Zsa Zsa is even remotly lucid, she should tell him to bear the child himself. After he goes and f***s himself first. Sorry, but this ticks me off. Hasn't she been through enough?

    April 14, 2011 at 6:19 pm | Report abuse |
  5. banasy

    Ancient Texan: I guess you've seen one of those offensive billboards. Well, then I guess you would have no problem raising an unwanted baby, correct?

    April 14, 2011 at 6:22 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Jazzzz

    Lucifer u still there.

    April 14, 2011 at 6:22 pm | Report abuse |
  7. The (banasy is a HOT lookin woman foundation)

    Banasy is one hot lookin female ..

    April 14, 2011 at 6:35 pm | Report abuse |
  8. 6 6 6

    Yes jazz7 im still here ... Did u leave your soul at the door like a good little girl...Thank u for choosing satan .... Now how may i help you today... Let me know when u are ready to place your order .........

    April 14, 2011 at 6:44 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Philip

    I was an unwanted baby. So I kinda know how an unwanted baby feels. And even though I don't recall my exact thoughts, I'm pretty sure I felt like living. Yeah. Pretty sure.

    April 14, 2011 at 6:53 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Sharkpit

    You want to kill your child? As a mother that's something you have to work out yourselve. It's your business between you and your God. That's a decision you believe is your right as a women. Fine. Just don't tell me I have to pay for it. Because I don't want anything to do with the murder of a human life. Don't ask the taxpayer to be a part of your personnel choice.

    April 14, 2011 at 7:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      I don't want my tax dollars paying for wars, if we're allowed to pick and choose.

      April 14, 2011 at 7:53 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Philip

    I doubt all unwanted babies grow up to be unwanted teenagers bound for prison. And the abuse heaped upon children doesn't just come from the unwanting parents. Abuse come from everywhere...relatives, friends of parents, priests, etc. Even a child raised by caring parents can fall victim. Yep. But I'd wager if the you asked the unwanted baby and she could answer, she's say "OK, I've thought about it and have decided that being raised by idiots is more to my liking than PBA. (partial birth abortion)" But what am I thinking? If you speak up for the child, the pro-death crowd hollers "that's heresay!"

    April 14, 2011 at 7:11 pm | Report abuse |
  12. raven

    I would rather pay for someone elses birth control than see one more crazy (ahem) lady drive her kids into a lake or river. Or beat on her kids cuz shes overwhelmed. I do resent these (ahem)women that have 2,3 and even more abortions because they dont use common sense. Where do you draw the line ?

    April 14, 2011 at 7:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Axel

      I agree, and would rather a woman aborted than to bring an unwanted child or more into the world and then go nuts trying to raise it (them) alone. Abortion is not a good thing, but then neither is a house full of unwanted kids, nor a violent end to established personhood..

      April 14, 2011 at 7:36 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Philip

    The majority of Americans oppose abortion, even if it's legal. We realize that just making something that has always been against the law legal all of a sudden, doesn't make it right. Many many old laws regarding our personal conduct have been reversed in recent years, making legal what had always been to vulgar to even speak about. Now, even though most of US oppose the decay of morality, those whom enjoy morality's demise have a louder voice. Loud and boisterous...while those of us who appreciate our family arrangement just the way it is tend to be quiet, even borderline humble. Individuals lacking in moral fiber view this as a weakness, and an opportunity to yell even louder. We hear you! Do whattever you want. We'll even pay for it. Just shut the hello up and leave us alone about it.

    April 14, 2011 at 7:23 pm | Report abuse |
  14. raven

    And Philip, I was unwanted and abused too. Havent spoken to my mother in years. And I agree with you about everyone being partially responsible. I still believe women have a right to choose.

    April 14, 2011 at 7:27 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Philip

    Hi raven. That line was drawn a long time ago. The line between life and death as I see it. Anyone can choose life or death at any time, anyone but an unborn human, a potential man or woman. I just don't think it's fair that someone else get's to decide. It would be like the government deciding when you are to die. We would all oppose that notion, except when it came to unborn humans. Then we'd argue.

    April 14, 2011 at 7:30 pm | Report abuse |
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