"Even with the best birth control, women become inadvertently pregnant. Pro-lifers will tell that young woman she must have that baby, then ignore the suffering of the unwanted child who lives in abject poverty for life. I wonder how many conservatives have spoken out against a national health care system to provide medical care for the children of single mothers."–Aginghippy
More states restrict abortions; group says trend 'unparalleled'
Arizona recently banned public funding to train physicians to perform abortions; the state also banned tax credits for donations to Planned Parenthood. Kansas joined Nebraska in banning abortions after 21 weeks because of “fetal pain.” Many CNN.com readers said the new laws showed church entanglement with state policies.
pfriedkin said, "The push for these laws are purely the work of Christian extremists. Their "social" agenda is really a religious agenda and an attempt for force everyone to do what they say." Jilli asked, "Can burkhas be far behind?"
AngryDeuce said, "This is why churches should not get tax-free status: the money they claim is going to help the needy is going to lobbyist groups and perverting our political system with their beliefs. You want tax-exempt status, you show me the soup kitchen or homeless shelter it is funding. One penny goes to politics, and you lose your tax-free card for 5 years. That's how it ought to be."
Many questioned why states would withhold funding for abortions when society might have to pay for the future problems that might cause. casselli said, "Is the GOP going to support all of these unwanted babies? What is going to happen when some of these women that will not take care of these babies start having them instead of having that procedure?"
Guest said, "I'd rather my tax money pay for an abortion than for the child's maintenance for 21 years."
Thrillhouse said, "Legalized and accessible abortion has shown a strong correlation with reduced crime rates. Right or wrong, there are very real consequences of forcing individuals to have unwanted children."
But others were more concerned about who pays the bill now. When enalunar said, "Keep your politics out of my uterus!" TK1957 answered, "Keep my tax dollars out of your uterus too." And frespech said, "Keep your mind in control of your uterus."
FREEDOM4 said, "You want birth control? Pay for it yourself. You want an abortion? Pay for it yourself. The taxpayers are maxxed out. We're willing to pay to care for the elderly, the sick and the disabled, but that's it. If you're an able-bodied person, pay for your own sex life."
18 years after Waco, Davidians believe Koresh was God
Nearly 20 years ago, 76 followers of self-proclaimed prophet David Koresh lost their lives during an FBI raid. The group was stockpiling machine guns and Koresh had engaged in sexual acts with underage Davidian girls, according to many sources. Some survivors still await Koresh’s return.
ZooperDoink said, "America's not a melting pot, it's a cereal bowl. Full of nuts, fruits, and flakes."
MarkDudier said, "He was more like a pedophile with a Jesus complex."
s33k3r75 said, "As crazy as this is, people have a fundamental right to join a cult and believe what they want. But no one has a right to rape underage kids or send their kids to be raped by the cult leader."
SadPanda said, "Have you ever noticed that the common denominator in cults and the like is that the leader gets to have sex with all the women? It's never about finding God or anything else, it's just so the main guy can fulfill some weird fantasies he never got to experience living in his mom's basement."
flippin said, "It's so sad how some are so easily brainwashed. And it's scary that someone like Koresh can so easily convince so many that he is God. He was a space cadet, a hypocrite, a sleeze, a liar, a pedophile, a thief, a murderer. Yet all these people were convinced he was God in the flesh. So much that they let their children be abused, suffer, and ultimately be killed in a fire."
Pleo said, "Given the enormity of the tragedy, and the loss of loved ones, it's easier for some of these people to believe they were right and their loved ones "died for Jesus,” than it is for them to accept the truth that they were duped by a charismatic cult leader. Very sad story."
tadam74811 said, "Koresh was as insane as Charles Manson, and unfortunately his followers were blinded by the craziness that sometimes accompanies religious fervor."
iRichard said, "Jim Jones, Terry Jones, Westboro, and Islamic extremists are all examples of the danger of radical religion. Our forefathers certainly knew what they were doing when they separated church and state."
Zsa Zsa Gabor to become new mother at 94, husband says
Zsa Zsa Gabor’s husband, Prince Frederic von Anhalt, wants to have a child “with” his 94-year old wife, using a donated egg, surrogate mother, and artificial insemination. lienn said, "Please tell me this is a joke!!!" CosMcOldGuy said, "Madness! Leave the poor old lady alone. She had a great run."
TheSwan1213 said, "A 67-year-old man (adopted as an adult to become a prince) wants to have a child with a 94-year-old one-legged bed-bound former actress? These people are nuts!!"
tovia said, "If his plan is for all three of them to wear diapers at the same time, then his timing is impeccable."
citizenUSA said, "So baby's first outing will be her mother's funeral."
AndyDaniel said, "I would bet that Zsa Zsa Gabor is not even aware of this statement by her husband, who in the past has done several bizarre things for publicity, including claiming to be the father or Anna Nicole Smith's baby, and claiming he was robbed and handcuffed naked to his car by a group of women. This will go exactly nowhere."
After expressing shock, many CNN.com readers began to speculate about the real purpose for pursuing paternity.
rebeyeh said, "So, technically it wouldn't be Zsa Zsa's natural offspring if they're using an egg donor and his sperm. She already has an heir, her daughter; this guy is afraid he won't get a penny when she dies."
kowalski66 said, "He is pretty shrewd, if you ask me! He is worried about the inheritance, and a baby with his seed will help seal the deal." TNopinion agreed, "I guess he's thinking if they have a joint child together, said child will inherit half the fortune and he will claim it by proxy."
LordPet said, "I suppose it's a way to make it harder for Francesca Hilton to contest the will." sD1 said, "Sounds like her daughter needs to be visiting a lawyer on Zsa-Zsa's behalf and soon."
Compiled by the CNN.com moderation staff. Some comments edited for length or clarity.
I just wish we protected potential humans like we protect potential trees, that's all. And don't sh/t yourself, but doctors do NOT decide abortions. If the girl or woman says Yes! Let the child live, the child lives. Period.
Pro choice abortionists and proponents are always condemning, hating and killing...they love to call other persons and those unborn out of their names: a inconvenience, a mistake, undersirable, crimminal, poor, ignorant, tissue, flesh, nothing, the cause if every problem, a burden, a hardship, it's their fault, a disease,a worry, the cause of and a hardship, too expensive, a 18 year jail sentence, a cosmetic risk, the cause of obesity...what ever label or stamp you want to apply fits the crime and the sentence is always death...but the REAL PERPS are still walking this earth and feeling the sunshine. These labels don't belong to the unborn but describes YOU and your ingrate ways...your hearts are harden and very dark...too bad there is no one to hold your pointing fingers and thrashing mouth accountable...ever suffering the value of the innocent unborn to redeem your crimes and use of its holy
life as sheet of humiliation to cover your
The baby who *cannot* survive outside of the womb is not going to live if the mother is dead, Philip. That's what Dim Mak is saying. Now we're getting into a completely different area; is it okay let two lives perish when one could have been saved by a PBA?
Banasy taking you out of your habitat you would die too...we need oxygen...outerspace without oxygen you die...staying under water you die...someone choking you and cutting off your ability to breathe you die...separating a baby from it's placenta and naval cord it dies...a baby needs it's habitat just like you need yours!
@Mmmmm: I haven't condemned anyone. I think it *is* a woman's choice whether to have a baby or not. I condemn neither those who have a baby or those who have an abortion. It's not my place...or the governments...or yours.
Banasy...you words and opinion condems the baby and the unborn...my responsibility is to truth
Anyone who has gone thru an abortion knows that it can be a very painful procedure. Plus, the mental trauma. This is not something that anyone would want repeated on a regular basis.
And, Mmmmm, I haven't called anyone any names, either. But you have.
Because its true the abortion victimizes everyone and the closer you get to ground zero the battle moves from rhetoric to body count. The greatest victim is the mother first than the child second. I've notice those condoning abortion, procuring in speech deed and thought have a darkness around them...the take on the tone of a accuser and they denied the dignity a person, and attack personhood...one's value and existence.
Phillip: Don't twist my words please. Any partial birth abortion requires two doctors to sign off on it. We're not talking regular abortion. Look it up. I already stated my position regarding abortion, but certain complications do occur that nobody can predict. The womb provides many life functions that does not require the baby's functioning organs until it's born. There are always gray areas in life.
Last word: And as a person who believes in God, I'll take his word on it. Thanks for the lively and mostly polite discussion. See ya round.
How about abortion legal, child support illegal and vice versa. Just a thought
@Dim Mak...I understand PBAs. My point is that the pregnant human decides the fate of the potential human...not the doctors. (and you can argue all you want about when life begins. And you can call "it" whatever you want. But this you cannot deny: that is in fact a potential human, and it's not dead. (yet) gn
Your choice of wording is curious to me, Philip. Anything and everything is potential. A knife is a potential stab wound. A bathtub is a potential broken hip. A tree is a potential suicide spot. Where do we stop?
And on that note, GN, Philip. As always, interesting conversation. Later, GTG.
And once again, you are reverting to insults to make your point. My point is, no one ever has a right to say what I do with my body. Do I personally believe in abortion? No. When I had my children, did I believe from the first that my babies were alive? Yes. Did I ever believe that my miscarriages were going to live once they left my body? Nice thought, but no. Did my doctors call them spontaneous *abortions*? Yes. Did I *have* an abortion, by your standards? Do you get my point?
Talk about a weak argument. Everyone is called to do unto others as one would do unto him/herself...the golden rule. If you know how respect your body then respect your child's body. You know how to respect your life then respect your child's life. Now as for telling you what to do with your body...girl your a-zz get told all the time: if you work your boss tells that body be you a-zz here on time...oh and your boss tells that body what your a-zz what it can and cannot wear on the job and then that same boss tell that a-zz where to sit and work and what days that a-zz should report to work and to stay home. I am being a bit frank but your body get told what to do all day long...if you can comply with strangers on the job in the world til the day you retire(30yrs ) why can't you comply with the silent request of your baby that ask of you 9 months?
Hmm makes abstinance a consideration. Can't get preg if ya don't have se-x! 😉
my opinion condemns no one, Mmmmm. But thinking it over, I have changed my mind about when life starts. You and Phillip have done that, and I thank you. Actually, I thank philip, because he did it without condemning *me*. You words are meant to be inflammatory instead of helpful, and the use of your insults is a repugnant way to get a point across. Perhaps that's why so many people dislike the pro-life movement; insulting someone is not going to get anyone in your corner.
That being said, it is STILL my opinion that a woman has a right to do what she wants with her body. Nothing is going to persuade me from that. I personally dislike abortions, but I would never tell my neighbor that she should carry a baby she didn't want. My beliefs are not hers. And yours are not mine. And I don't condemn her for any choice she makes. It's her body. And you should not condemn me for mine, even if you don't agree with them.
If you look on the crucifix of Jesus Christ the cross with his corpus, that Body which was given up for you, you would abandon those notions as well!
@L64: or if one swallows.