Overheard on CNN.com: Top court rules in Arizona's favor
The U.S. Supreme Court has backed an Arizona law that punishes businesses hiring illegal immigrants.
May 26th, 2011
07:15 PM ET

Overheard on CNN.com: Top court rules in Arizona's favor

Comments of the Day:

“It is about time that these American companies are held accountable for their actions. After all, they have been unwilling to pay fair wages to American citizens and instead have paid dirt-low wages to illegal immigrants.”– sam49

“When illegal immigrants provide the backbone of produce production in the United States at costs far below minimum wage, that benefits those legally here. Wave your pom-poms for change all you want, but be sure you understand what you're changing.”– GeorgeFnBush

Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

Arizona can suspend the licenses of Arizona businesses that don't verify that new hires are in the country legally, according to a U.S. Supreme Court ruling. Many CNN.com readers, including self-proclaimed liberals, cheered the ruling.

rosalvaje said, “Hurray for Arizona and coming to a state near you.” ChrisDawg said, “As a liberal, I'm fine with this.” OutNasa said, “This ruling is pro legal immigrant. I applaud it.” NCArmyVet1 said, “We welcome all immigrants who come here legally!” notrolls said, “It looks like even the Supreme Court is capable of grasping the concept that it is illegal to be illegal.”

But JJNOLA said, “Congratulations AZ. You just gave your businesses away to other border states. Guest141414 replied, “Only those that willingly violate federal laws. It's not much of a loss, really.”

Serene1111 said, “They will just jump ship from Arizona and move to other states which don't have the same laws.” VanKrunk replied, “Yes, they already are, and we here in Arizona wish to thank places like Colorado for offering them a nice place to stay.”

Some readers argued over whether American workers will really benefit from the jobs illegal immigrants leave behind. strawberry33 said, “Americans did these jobs before we got overrun with illegals that would do it cheaper.” OutNasa said, “Once illegals are removed from the employment equation, unemployment offices can align the able with part-time gardening jobs while they look for work. There will always be someone to do the work for an illegal.”

But MACVINDANANG replied, “Not true at all! The United Farm Workers of America, a predominantly Hispanic union, launched its ‘Take Our Jobs’ campaign in response to anti-immigrant rhetoric. It offered to place native-born workers in farm jobs. Several thousand Americans responded to the online ad, but only two actually accepted the backbreaking, low-paying jobs.”

Guest141414 said, “Obviously, the wages for the jobs will have to be raised, as businesses cannot hire legal workers for less than minimum wage, as they do when they exploit illegal immigrants. Once that happens, I think you'll be surprised.” Guest said, “This will increase landscaping costs for me.”

Why is America the 'no-vacation nation'?

Employees in Germany, France, United Kingdom, Brazil and many other industrialized countries enjoy at least four weeks of guaranteed vacation yearly. Employees in the United States might get two weeks plus a handful of holidays, but time off is not required by U.S. law. Why is the United States so down on down time?

GM1966 replied, “Corporate greed. The company I work for offers two weeks' paid vacation but there are too many strings attached to actually take the time off and if you don't use it, you lose it.”

MapleMike said, “As long as America believes that ‘what's good for businesses is good for the country,’ this situation will never change. Corporations have zero interest in improving the health of American society by giving people more vacation. This kind of change can only be mandated by a government.”

DrRational said, “American workers not only vote against their own best interests, they get out in the streets and protest against them. Convinced that unions and regulations are the enemy, we march into dangerous working conditions so our corporate leaders can get ever-larger salaries.“ truth109 said, “Vacation? More and more jobs in America are contract jobs, and these jobs offer no benefits like vacation or health insurance.”

But some readers spoke up for the American model. Savannah2424 said, “There's also the difference between the tax rates in the U.S, and in Europe. Do you want to pay 70% of your income so someone else can have a vacation?” MainStreet76 said, “You have to make sacrifices to make it in America, and yes, vacations are included in those sacrifices.” goodflag said, “I am an American living in Slovenia, and all is not as wonderful as it seems. True, there is lots of vacation, but at a cost. Employers are reluctant to hire because of the heavy demands placed on them per each employee.”

jellomizer said, “American culture has what we do for work as a key part of our self identity. If you ask most Americans to describe themselves the first thing they will say is what type of job they do.”

Those who had experienced other ways of living and working shared their experiences. jezza10000 said, “I'm originally from the UK but live in DC now. In the UK all employers must give four weeks as a minimum, required by law. The land of the 'free' apparently has no free time. I think it's sad how people live for their jobs here, and I get so bored hearing my American friends talking about work all the time."

ffhd1clt said, “When I started traveling for work internationally years ago, I realized the vacation thing was much different outside the USA. I was mostly traveling to South American countries, and the norm in countries like Chile and Argentina is to take a full month off during the summer.”

Weebie said, "I earn 3-4 times doing the same job in Sydney than I would in New York. Americans are some of the lowest paid workers in the world, with some countries such as Poland and Malaysia very close to surpassing the salaries for Americans."

Kynt said, “That's not all. In many European countries people get paid sick leave on top of the 4-6 weeks paid vacation, meaning they can use their vacation for actually recharging their batteries. They don't have to use vacation time when they're too sick to work. In Western Europe every dock worker and truck driver is entitled to paid vacation and sick leave.”

Lightmaster said, “I'm a normal worker in Germany. If I get sick at work I can go home and get paid for the day. If my illness continues, I can get a free medical card from the doctor and stay up to six weeks at home or hospital and get 100% income. Why are you against public health insurance?”

ScottNH said, “A friend of mine was fired for calling in sick too much, was then diagnosed with cancer and is now in end-stage with a month or two left to live. If she had been in France, Israel, Singapore, Denmark, or Japan she would have received medical treatment. Are Americans worth less?”

soundoff (88 Responses)
  1. Csnord

    I live in Arizona and am confronted by the problem of illegals every day. Our state is broke because of the burden these bozo place on the system, among other things. All I can say is "Yippee!"

    May 26, 2011 at 11:54 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Greg Gilbert

    This is all just politics. California immigration law if about exactly the same as Arizona. The media and politicians just all decided to make issue with this for there own personal gain.

    May 26, 2011 at 11:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • laverdad

      You cannot compare Arizona immigration law with California's. We pushed it, fought it and won. Nobody in California seems to have the cojones to do this. They're too afraid of losing their voting block.

      Hopefully a lot of these illegals will be moving to get their free benefits in California. Especially the "sanctuary cities" there.

      May 27, 2011 at 12:28 am | Report abuse |
    • publius enigma

      huh? California is a sanctuary state isnt it?

      May 27, 2011 at 1:05 am | Report abuse |
  3. Ellis

    Greg Gilbert why do you have two first names

    May 27, 2011 at 12:11 am | Report abuse |
  4. maX

    F!#%, Get ready for High COST at the grocery stores. oh and high cost to get you lawn mowed. oh and higher cost to get simple things around the house done. Some Americans are dumb! immigrants keep cost low! now i actually have to pay someone probably 3x more to cut my lawn. thanks you SOB's.

    May 27, 2011 at 12:21 am | Report abuse |
    • whatever

      How is this gonna cost me more to mow my lawn? My neighbor who is not mexican offered to mow for less than what the mexicans in my neighborhood charge. They will take the money and they don't do the job. Then they run the scam on someone else. I'm glad they're leaving. BTW, if you're in Arizona, there isn't much lawn to mow.

      May 27, 2011 at 12:46 am | Report abuse |
    • Hey

      Pay some 13 yr old to do it if you're that lazy.

      May 27, 2011 at 3:16 am | Report abuse |
    • Jean Sartre

      You are some lazy, lazy dude... also the problem with man American Citizens...

      May 27, 2011 at 6:25 pm | Report abuse |
  5. laverdad

    maX – let those that want groceries pay the higher price, those that are too lazy to mow their own lawn, pay the higher price, etc. At the rate we're going the tax payer ends up subsidizing illegals through WIC, Food Stamps, Arizona ACCHS, etc.
    If you're too lazy to cut your own lawn, then you should have to pay 3x's the price!

    May 27, 2011 at 12:26 am | Report abuse |
  6. maX

    @LEB sir you are what i like to call....Retarded. We have been pursuing company's who hire illegals. we've been doing a bang up job, the only thing thats changed is we are "strickter". define strickter please.

    May 27, 2011 at 12:26 am | Report abuse |
  7. maX

    @laverdad i think your regarding the blacks. do some research.

    May 27, 2011 at 12:31 am | Report abuse |
    • whatever

      I thnk you're both right.

      May 27, 2011 at 12:48 am | Report abuse |
  8. Alex

    Get ready for the $9.99 McDonald's Value Meal!

    May 27, 2011 at 12:34 am | Report abuse |
    • Cranky

      Who the hell eats at McDonalds....disgusting.

      May 27, 2011 at 10:56 am | Report abuse |
  9. Me

    This is the only sensible approach to our immigration issues. People cross the boarder primarily to work, if there are no jobs then no one will illegally immigrate. If there are no jobs you can't afford to live here for the many other reasons one might argue people come here. This has the added benefit of not having our police and others waste time and effort harassing our citizens who immigrated legally or are simply vacationing here.

    My two cents.

    May 27, 2011 at 12:38 am | Report abuse |
  10. getagrip

    Man, we Americans are so brainwashed by the elite it's unbelievable! We are such saps! 5% of the population owns 95% of the wealth here and have the other 95% of us convinced that we are worthless! We don't deserve fair pay for work done, affordable public health insurance, paid time off either vacation or sick pay....on and on. What's wrong with us?! Why don't we vote to change our lives in a positive way instead of enabling the rich? Go ahead, keep fighting over 5% of the economy instead of leveling the field with the corporations and the rich...fear is our friend instead of feeling worthy to have a good life. Geesh, get a grip American majority and start believing in yourselves enough to vote in your own behalf. The world is changing and the 95% throughout the world is rising up; do you have the courage to vote in your own favor? Time will tell....

    May 27, 2011 at 12:44 am | Report abuse |
    • Cranky

      95% of the wealth? Can you show me some numbers on that? Probably not since it's lies told by people trying to foment class warfare.

      May 27, 2011 at 10:58 am | Report abuse |
  11. whatever

    I clicked on this article for some info on what actually happened and all that is in the article is comments. Way to go CNN for some awesome reporting. Should I check chat rooms for all of my news? BTW Good job Arizona!! I stand behind you. The whole farce that everything will become more expensive is wrong and utterly ridiculous. I don't know why people fall for this lie made up by mexicans for us to rethink our stance on wanting them out.

    May 27, 2011 at 12:52 am | Report abuse |
  12. whatever

    I think if the illegals went home, prices would go down. No more lawsuits from the illegal you shot that was robbing your house. Less illegals=less crime=less police=lower property tax. Also with less illegalls, you have less anchor babies who make the taxes increase for schools, and no more food stamps and handouts for those childrens parents. Less illegals means less drugs, also means less crime. I'm beginning to really see this is an EXCELLENT IDEA! Who says all the prices will go up? Our poor can take those jobs and at least the companies have to pay minimum wage.

    May 27, 2011 at 1:02 am | Report abuse |
  13. Marty

    Welcome to America! We have laws here......obey them!!!!!!!!!!!

    May 27, 2011 at 1:11 am | Report abuse |
  14. little indian

    you what i noticed , is that 99 percent of the officer's that check the I.D's of potenial illegals'are hispanic themselves, they remind me of a old western movie that i've seen many times,where the calvary would have apache scouts hunt/trail down thier own people,and at the end of the show the calvary finally capture's "Geronimo"and restricts him and his people to the reservation compound,then the same CALVARY dismissed the apache scouts and strips them of thier blue coats and firearms ,and throw's them into the same compond as "Geronimo"-the other apache warriors are ready to KILL these trader's- when "GERONIMO"say's to his warrior's-NO- LET THEM LIVE AND SUFFER AS WE DO -KNOWING IT WAS WITH THIER HELP ,THAT THEY ARE HERE WITH US" so my brown officers be carefull ,for you may wind-up on the other side yourself-strip of your blue coat and firearm

    May 27, 2011 at 1:11 am | Report abuse |
    • Hey

      That is the dumbest thing I've read. It bay even be dumber than that guy who predicted the rapture.

      May 27, 2011 at 3:18 am | Report abuse |
    • Cranky

      I feel dumber for having just read it.

      May 27, 2011 at 11:00 am | Report abuse |
  15. CaliJets

    You dumb stupid Arizonians...You just opened Pandoras box. What in the world do you think is going to happen to your businesses when you can't find qualified legal workers? The owners are going to be forced to raise there wages to attract legal workers. And what do you think is going to happen to food prices all across the board. They are going to go up, which affects all of us. I would like to see 1 just 1 dumb Arizonian go and pick the fields for $5.00 an hour. Go ahead shut me up. You can't, so you won't. Man you Arizonians are pretty selfish pukes who don't have a clue on how to run a business.

    May 27, 2011 at 1:26 am | Report abuse |
    • LOL

      cali: "You dumb stupid Arizonians...What in the world do you think is going to happen to your businesses when you can't find qualified legal workers? The owners are going to be forced to raise there wages to attract legal workers ... Man you Arizonians are pretty selfish pukes who don't have a clue on how to run a business."

      How ironic. You start out praising illegal immigration because illegals make running businesses cheaper, but then you go on to conclude that Arizonan's are selfish because they want to stop illegal immigration...and the cost of business will rise.

      Brilliant. Would you suggest reviving slavery too because it's cheaper than Mexicans?

      May 27, 2011 at 1:45 am | Report abuse |
    • seandini

      umm...when did Arizona become a HUGE agriculture state? I know they do cattle, beans, cotton and alfalfa hay, but is that really "instrumental" in American crops? Yes some business will leave AZ because they are cowards and vultures but here is something no one talks about that I see here in California. Illegals drop labor working rates, but they do something worse, they create a 2nd rate "citizen". They are treated horribly by there employers, have atrocious working conditions and these employers love exploiting them because the high profit margin they can make. I thought we got rid of slavery?? All people created equal??? Why does NO liberal see this problem and understand that having AMERICAN workers helps worker environments, worker wages and a better life for all(given same respect as an American employee). Illegal immigrants only undermine the hard working Americans who just want a livable wage for the work they do. It is not to hard to ask. And why does no one have a problem with I.D. theft, which I have had? It is horrible to deal with. I have also been in 2 car accidents from illegal immigrants raising MY insurance rates even though I WAS RAN INTO. How is that good for the every day American??

      May 27, 2011 at 1:49 am | Report abuse |
    • Guyoplata

      So your argument is to exploit illegal workers and the current system for profit and cheaper food? Funny and you think we're the selfish ones.

      May 27, 2011 at 1:53 am | Report abuse |
    • Kynt

      Oh yes, we cry when we have to pay the true price for products and services. Maybe a reality check would do us good. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. Having the police hunt illegal immigrants while at the same time offering them jobs and benefiting from their cheap labor is hypocrisy to the power of ten.

      May 27, 2011 at 1:59 am | Report abuse |
    • Jim wilson

      You Are ignorant m f, come down and see what's happening

      May 27, 2011 at 2:00 am | Report abuse |
    • beaker

      I would rather pay higher prices for food than allow illegal aliens to pick it. Remember this. Very few illegal aliens work in the fields the other 20 to 30 million work in fast food or are bums and criminals. Your baseless argument fails.

      May 27, 2011 at 2:34 am | Report abuse |
    • Hey

      ...and there wil be riots in the street and prices of everyting will go up a million percent and Bedlam will ensue. I think not. Despite the picture you paint I don't think that the world will fall apart if the US has a lillte control over who comes in to the US. And calling people 'pukes' who may see things different than you is a sure fire way to be regarded as a nut job.

      May 27, 2011 at 3:09 am | Report abuse |

      Those who understand the real game being played by socialist/globalists understand that the end-game is a borderless globe with one world government which would make wealth transfers so much easier. The rank and file liberals thinking that compassion is the key issue are regretfully duped by anti-freedom interests who trot out one phony issue after another to get the hearts bleeding and minds shut off. Very simply, it is quote rationale and prudent to decide who gets into ones’ country. Flooding the U.S. with millions of uneducated, distressed human beings who over-tap the welfare system and eventually vote for more of it is foolish and unsustainable. Most Americans realize this and want the problem fixed. If compassion is your cause, consider advocating for charity and perhaps to African’s since they are typically even more needy than or neighbors to the South. History has already shown that capitalism and democracy are the most compassionate systems ever devised. Socialism has no such scorecard.

      May 27, 2011 at 4:31 am | Report abuse |
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