Overheard on CNN.com: To be great, James needs humility
LeBron James reacts during Sunday's NBA Finals game against the Dallas Mavericks. Dallas' Dirk Nowitzki is at rear.
June 13th, 2011
07:34 PM ET

Overheard on CNN.com: To be great, James needs humility

Comment of the Day:

“It's not about him leaving Cleveland: players do that all the time. It is the manner in which he left and the ego he took into this season that makes it satisfying to see him fail hard in the championship. Kinda like when the Giants took down the 18-0 Patriots.”–rob

Clevelanders laughing as LeBron loses; in Dallas, perseverance pays off

It seems that LeBron James broke the hearts of many Cleveland fans when he moved on to play basketball for the Miami Heat. So Clevelanders were a mite gratified when Miami lost to the Dallas Mavericks in Game 6 of the NBA Finals on Sunday night. Many CNN.com readers said the issue was sportsmanship and not ability.

deb said, “Sportswriters get it. Players get it. If you put self-promotion above the game, you are not going to be well liked. Character still counts. Humility still counts. Lebron could be great, but he needs to chill out, figure out how to play with a team as a team and put away the cult of personality. He is potentially one of the greatest, but you can destroy talent without discipline. In any event, Dallas and Dirk worked for it, and worked together to win. Beautiful.”

Bobby said, “Whether Mavericks fans or not, all fans can appreciate winning with class, and all fans can appreciate those without class being humbled. The youth of today needed to see that those who think only about themselves are not often rewarded.”

r-hope said, “It boils down to one thing: humility. And LeBron doesn't know how to spell that. After losing, he was too proud to even congratulate the Mavs; that is what you do in sports. You acknowledge that the winning team did a better job. The day Lebron will learn to win and not thump his chest about it, or gloat over those who lose, that will be the day he becomes a real star.”

Many readers said it was time for Cleveland fans to let go of the past and move on. Steph said, “Seriously, City of Cleveland, you need to get over LeBron leaving. I know you feel betrayed because he said he would never leave but really!”

Beth said, “James left–yes–but this was just business and nothing else. And look, he helped bring Miami this far. He could have done a lot worse; and he's young and has a long time ahead of him to win a championship. So get over it, Cleveland.”

Yasnel said, “Cleveland needs to man up and stop crying. It's cold and disgusting up there; nothing to do besides freeze. Who wouldn't come to Miami and enjoy the nice weather and beautiful women!”

Tracy Morgan and the limits of comedy

Is it fair to condemn comedian Tracy Morgan for his anti-gay rant? Commentator Roland Martin points out that shock jocks are given a free pass for language that would bring a lawsuit in another context.

Many CNN.com readers said the problem was not so much what Morgan said, but how he said it. Oklahomo said, “I believe most protesters to Morgan's rants were clear about his tone being the issue; it was not joking at all but vile hatred spoken to an ignorant audience that thinks the same way." icka1975 said, "Exactly. It's all in the tone and delivery."

NickV1point0 said, “We're inclined to forgive the material if it's well written and actually makes us laugh. Morgan was plain hatred, pure form, unfiltered by funny. That's why he drew the reaction he did. We don't laugh at pure hate, we laugh if someone can turn that hate into humor."

19random35 said, “I'm a fan of Morgan's work on 30 Rock, but I've always thought his standup was pretty weak. If what he said was reported accurately, it seems pretty awful. I also know that jokes from some of my favorite comedians might look pretty awful on paper, too. But they use devices like irony to ridicule prejudices. It takes a skilled comic to navigate such risky material, and I think Morgan fails in this department."

willyd said, “I find it hard to believe that the person who listened to Morgan and later wrote about it went to the show not knowing what kind of a comedian Tracy Morgan is. I find his routines offensive, as I do those of many other comics. If you don't like it, don't complain to everyone about it. Just don't go."

But Gaucho420 was not so forgiving. "Would Roland find it funny, or acceptable, if a white man said he would lynch his son if he was black?" he asked. "Same difference, loser." Neutronium said, "He said some sick things. He apologized for saying those things. Moving on."

Former transit cop convicted in California subway shooting goes free

A former transit police officer was freed early after being convicted in the shooting death of an unarmed man on an Oakland, California, train platform.  Johannes Mehserle was convicted of involuntary manslaughter - after testifying that he accidentally shot Oscar Grant with a gun instead of a Taser in January 2009 - and was sentenced last year to two years in prison.  He was released Monday because California law gave him good conduct credit for days served.

Mehserle's release apparently revived arguments over whether the killing was an accident and whether Grant was resisting arrest or trying to calm his companions. thomasmc said, "See? Murder is OK, if you're a cop, and your victim is black."

johnnyhouse said, "You did not see the video before it was edited. He was resisting when the cop drew what was supposed to be a Taser. As soon as the cop fired the shot he looked at his partner and could not believe what he had just done. That video was shown first, and Grant was resisting on the original part of the early video. At first the cops started out to get them to move on and it picked up from there to the disaster that happened. No one will ever convince me that this is not the way it happened."

In another exchange, FutureLogic said, "Have you even watched the video? He was clearly subdued, and restrained when the shooting occurred." tkessler45 said, "I saw the video too, and there was a decent amount of commotion going on. As much as it could be seen as blatant murder, it could also be seen as a mistake."

Guest said, “Maybe it was an accident, but then you'd also have to call the cop a moron for not knowing the weight difference between a Glock and a Taser.”

ZooLife2 said, “You're far more likely to get murdered by someone like Grant than you are to get shot by someone like Mehserle. Grant had served two state prison terms for felony convictions.”

AGoodwin said, “Grant was the father of a 4-year-old girl and was considered a peacemaker. Moments before he was shot he was pleading with his friends who were all cuffed up to calm down and be cooperative with police. Grant was seen begging the police officers not to shoot. This is not a man who was out that night to kill or loot.”

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Compiled by the CNN.com moderation staff. Some comments edited for length or clarity.

soundoff (222 Responses)
  1. 12-21-12

    And where does LeBron fit in to your argument?

    June 13, 2011 at 9:02 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Fried Spinach

    To Beth and Yasnel quoted in the above: Read again. Cleveland isn't crying, we're laughing. Keep up.

    June 13, 2011 at 9:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dave

      Lebron will never be Jordan on or off the court!

      June 13, 2011 at 9:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ed Powers

      Cleveland is laughing to keep from crying. Get over it. He's gone. Move on.

      June 13, 2011 at 9:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ricky Bobby

      Cleveland has BEEN over the fact that LeBron left. We all have been waiting for the moment he lost the championship. We all know he's a good athlete but we also all know he is an egotistical, sore loser. (THE DECISION, Walking off of the court without congratulating the Mavs, Dirk, his obscene, self centered comments about the ENTIRE NBA fan base. ETC.) You don't see Cleveland asking for the LOSER back. Multi millionaire or not, he's still crying on the inside (& OUTSIDE. LMAO). What would Cleveland have to cry about? This was satisfaction for the whole STATE OF OHIO if you haven't heard. & To the comments in the article, "It's cold and disgusting up there; nothing to do besides freeze" = Idiot. Take a look into the weather once and awhile, just because Miami's team is name "the Heat" doesn't mean it's the only place that gets heat & disgusting? Take a look into Miami at it's best, it's all trash! Worst vacation spot in America! Not to mention, a NBA that doesn't know the meaning of UNITY. (Which is all sports are and should be about.)

      Thank you, Sincerely – CLEVELAND, OHIO.

      June 13, 2011 at 10:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ricky Bobby

      Cleveland has BEEN over the fact that LeBron left. We all have been waiting for the moment he lost the championship. We all know he's a good athlete but we also all know he is an egotistical, sore loser. (THE DECISION, Walking off of the court without congratulating the Mavs, Dirk, his obscene, self centered comments about the ENTIRE NBA fan base. ETC.) You don't see Cleveland asking for the LOSER back. Multi millionaire or not, he's still crying on the inside (& OUTSIDE. LMAO). What would Cleveland have to cry about? This was satisfaction for the whole STATE OF OHIO if you haven't heard. & To the comments in the article, "It's cold and disgusting up there; nothing to do besides freeze" = Idiot. Take a look into the weather once and awhile, just because Miami's team is name "the Heat" doesn't mean it's the only place that gets heat & disgusting? Take a look into Miami at it's best, it's all trash! Worst vacation spot in America! Not to mention, a NBA team that doesn't know the meaning of UNITY. (Which is all sports are and should be about.)

      Thank you, Sincerely – CLEVELAND, OHIO.

      June 13, 2011 at 10:32 pm | Report abuse |
  3. endpoliticalparties

    Until the American Public stops treating Athletes like Gods instead of regular people, (we hold these truths to be self-evident), they will never be able to grasp the concept of 'humility'.

    June 13, 2011 at 9:07 pm | Report abuse |
  4. DaninTexas

    You all are on crack! Straight up stupid people crack. LeBron came in 2nd! He didn't fall hard. He landed on a pillow. His team is still 2nd. He's writing his own paycheck after this. 26 and a multi-millionaire. Yeah, he has a lot to be worried about.

    June 13, 2011 at 9:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Keith

      Do you know what it means to finish second? Normally it means you're the first to lose, but in this case, they're the last to lose! Either way, they lose! Yeah!

      June 13, 2011 at 9:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Former Marine

      Congratulations Lebron, you're the first loser. That's all second place is. There is no difference between second and absolute dead last. You still lost.

      This championship showed Lebron's weaknesses. That's why people are saying that he fell so hard. He couldn't keep his game together down the stretch. And he couldn't win a championship despite leaving his team to go play with some all star players.

      June 13, 2011 at 9:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • twinsplusone

      danin they dont understand they to emotional now take the emotion out and they will see a great player. They hating on hi, like he did someting illegal. All he did was choose to play somewhere else dam imagine geting riddicule everytime u left a job

      June 13, 2011 at 9:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scott

      dude u make little sense.. money doesn't buy happiness.. if that's what you're trying to say.. the team was crying – u think they're ok with 2nd..?

      June 13, 2011 at 9:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ricky Bobby

      IF YOU AIN'T FIRST, YOU'RE LAST!!!!

      June 13, 2011 at 9:45 pm | Report abuse |
  5. James K.

    Before honor comes humility.

    June 13, 2011 at 9:14 pm | Report abuse |
  6. npg

    Le Choke can Le Shove It.....Miami Heat are just the Lakers East....thuggin buggin chokers with no class

    June 13, 2011 at 9:15 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Ben

    I am happy to see Lebron James and Wade taken down a peg. Back to what Rob said. If you look at the replays and time clocks. Officially the whole time was off and before Eli Manning had the ball snap the clock officially expired. The refs knew it. So that championship is really the pats. Nice try by the league making it seem different. The Pats had no ego. If you want to know something every sport except for the bruins in the New England Area have been favoring the other teams. Now that is actually saying something about there being a vandetta against New England/ Boston teams. New York needs to shut up Boston has the best fans out of the two cities!

    June 13, 2011 at 9:21 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Chris

    If he wasn't black would central n e gro network be so soft on this punk? Maybe lebron can go suck on this thumb and cry himself to sleep like the little b1tch he is. Or maybe your racist solidad obrian can suck his d1ck after another interview with him claiming it was racism that prevented him from getting his ring or something.
    You and your hype Lebron are a joke CNN. You are a tabloid propaganda network and everyone knows it.

    June 13, 2011 at 9:22 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Nevermind

    first, Cleveland fans. shut up, who cares about your stupid basketball team. You guys act like a little child whose lolly pop was taken away. Grow up and get over it. I don't see why you even care. he didn't win a championship there and we hasn't won a championship on Miami either. You guys are a bunch of first class whinners that really need to find purpose in life rather than worrying about LJ.

    June 13, 2011 at 9:23 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Pepper's Mom

    I am laughing at the joy of having LeBron James as a member of my Miami Heat. I look forward to seeing this young man grow to be one of the great all time players. Who cares and what does it matter what Clevelanders have to say.

    June 13, 2011 at 9:23 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Howard

    He's a jerrk

    June 13, 2011 at 9:29 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Prometheus

    Athletes are paid for their talent, not their humility. THAT is the bottom line. Business is business and who here can argue that a sports team is NOT a business? Why is it that people seem to think that "professional" athletes owe anyone besides themselves and their families anything?

    CAPITALISM baby.......YEAHHHHH!!!

    Get over it Cleveland. (Especially the Kasich, that 'loyal' union guy, eh?)

    June 13, 2011 at 9:30 pm | Report abuse |
  13. twinsplusone

    formermarine the diffrence is the eastern conference winner trophy and banner and money more money. duh

    June 13, 2011 at 9:31 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Scott

    the basketball gods just don't reward behavior like the Heat's.. they reward hard work, determination, focus, and team work.. they don't reward trying to take short cuts to championships, uncalled for celebrations, mocking an opponent, playing uninspired bball at crucial times, crying whining and faking fouls.. life lessons can be learned thru this series.

    June 13, 2011 at 9:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • twinsplusone

      scott if thats the case la would have never one lets leave god out of this

      June 13, 2011 at 9:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scott

      i don't like kobe but he works hard.. leads by example. nad has phil jackson to push them further then they could push their selves... and i say bball god*s as a joke to prove a point.. get off ur high horse

      June 13, 2011 at 9:44 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Blkbuthappy4White PPl

    Lebron is human !! WOW Whoevea knew!! Whiteboyz can still win championships WOW!! whoevea knew!! Im glad mavs won now lil tommy and brandon have a hero to lookup!! Go White Dirk Go lol "Classic"

    June 13, 2011 at 9:41 pm | Report abuse |
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