Overheard on CNN.com: To be great, James needs humility
LeBron James reacts during Sunday's NBA Finals game against the Dallas Mavericks. Dallas' Dirk Nowitzki is at rear.
June 13th, 2011
07:34 PM ET

Overheard on CNN.com: To be great, James needs humility

Comment of the Day:

“It's not about him leaving Cleveland: players do that all the time. It is the manner in which he left and the ego he took into this season that makes it satisfying to see him fail hard in the championship. Kinda like when the Giants took down the 18-0 Patriots.”–rob

Clevelanders laughing as LeBron loses; in Dallas, perseverance pays off

It seems that LeBron James broke the hearts of many Cleveland fans when he moved on to play basketball for the Miami Heat. So Clevelanders were a mite gratified when Miami lost to the Dallas Mavericks in Game 6 of the NBA Finals on Sunday night. Many CNN.com readers said the issue was sportsmanship and not ability.

deb said, “Sportswriters get it. Players get it. If you put self-promotion above the game, you are not going to be well liked. Character still counts. Humility still counts. Lebron could be great, but he needs to chill out, figure out how to play with a team as a team and put away the cult of personality. He is potentially one of the greatest, but you can destroy talent without discipline. In any event, Dallas and Dirk worked for it, and worked together to win. Beautiful.”

Bobby said, “Whether Mavericks fans or not, all fans can appreciate winning with class, and all fans can appreciate those without class being humbled. The youth of today needed to see that those who think only about themselves are not often rewarded.”

r-hope said, “It boils down to one thing: humility. And LeBron doesn't know how to spell that. After losing, he was too proud to even congratulate the Mavs; that is what you do in sports. You acknowledge that the winning team did a better job. The day Lebron will learn to win and not thump his chest about it, or gloat over those who lose, that will be the day he becomes a real star.”

Many readers said it was time for Cleveland fans to let go of the past and move on. Steph said, “Seriously, City of Cleveland, you need to get over LeBron leaving. I know you feel betrayed because he said he would never leave but really!”

Beth said, “James left–yes–but this was just business and nothing else. And look, he helped bring Miami this far. He could have done a lot worse; and he's young and has a long time ahead of him to win a championship. So get over it, Cleveland.”

Yasnel said, “Cleveland needs to man up and stop crying. It's cold and disgusting up there; nothing to do besides freeze. Who wouldn't come to Miami and enjoy the nice weather and beautiful women!”

Tracy Morgan and the limits of comedy

Is it fair to condemn comedian Tracy Morgan for his anti-gay rant? Commentator Roland Martin points out that shock jocks are given a free pass for language that would bring a lawsuit in another context.

Many CNN.com readers said the problem was not so much what Morgan said, but how he said it. Oklahomo said, “I believe most protesters to Morgan's rants were clear about his tone being the issue; it was not joking at all but vile hatred spoken to an ignorant audience that thinks the same way." icka1975 said, "Exactly. It's all in the tone and delivery."

NickV1point0 said, “We're inclined to forgive the material if it's well written and actually makes us laugh. Morgan was plain hatred, pure form, unfiltered by funny. That's why he drew the reaction he did. We don't laugh at pure hate, we laugh if someone can turn that hate into humor."

19random35 said, “I'm a fan of Morgan's work on 30 Rock, but I've always thought his standup was pretty weak. If what he said was reported accurately, it seems pretty awful. I also know that jokes from some of my favorite comedians might look pretty awful on paper, too. But they use devices like irony to ridicule prejudices. It takes a skilled comic to navigate such risky material, and I think Morgan fails in this department."

willyd said, “I find it hard to believe that the person who listened to Morgan and later wrote about it went to the show not knowing what kind of a comedian Tracy Morgan is. I find his routines offensive, as I do those of many other comics. If you don't like it, don't complain to everyone about it. Just don't go."

But Gaucho420 was not so forgiving. "Would Roland find it funny, or acceptable, if a white man said he would lynch his son if he was black?" he asked. "Same difference, loser." Neutronium said, "He said some sick things. He apologized for saying those things. Moving on."

Former transit cop convicted in California subway shooting goes free

A former transit police officer was freed early after being convicted in the shooting death of an unarmed man on an Oakland, California, train platform.  Johannes Mehserle was convicted of involuntary manslaughter - after testifying that he accidentally shot Oscar Grant with a gun instead of a Taser in January 2009 - and was sentenced last year to two years in prison.  He was released Monday because California law gave him good conduct credit for days served.

Mehserle's release apparently revived arguments over whether the killing was an accident and whether Grant was resisting arrest or trying to calm his companions. thomasmc said, "See? Murder is OK, if you're a cop, and your victim is black."

johnnyhouse said, "You did not see the video before it was edited. He was resisting when the cop drew what was supposed to be a Taser. As soon as the cop fired the shot he looked at his partner and could not believe what he had just done. That video was shown first, and Grant was resisting on the original part of the early video. At first the cops started out to get them to move on and it picked up from there to the disaster that happened. No one will ever convince me that this is not the way it happened."

In another exchange, FutureLogic said, "Have you even watched the video? He was clearly subdued, and restrained when the shooting occurred." tkessler45 said, "I saw the video too, and there was a decent amount of commotion going on. As much as it could be seen as blatant murder, it could also be seen as a mistake."

Guest said, “Maybe it was an accident, but then you'd also have to call the cop a moron for not knowing the weight difference between a Glock and a Taser.”

ZooLife2 said, “You're far more likely to get murdered by someone like Grant than you are to get shot by someone like Mehserle. Grant had served two state prison terms for felony convictions.”

AGoodwin said, “Grant was the father of a 4-year-old girl and was considered a peacemaker. Moments before he was shot he was pleading with his friends who were all cuffed up to calm down and be cooperative with police. Grant was seen begging the police officers not to shoot. This is not a man who was out that night to kill or loot.”

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Compiled by the CNN.com moderation staff. Some comments edited for length or clarity.

soundoff (222 Responses)
  1. whenkeepnitrealgoeswrong

    Lebron was rite!! everone is more worried bout him losing then the actual winners(mavs) and to all the haters in the media and in america who makes a buck off of down talking another persons career life or style is lame. Also to every who say lebron or kobe or ne one of such a talent isnt good or sucks doesnt knw basketball. All they do is watch sportcenter and repeat the host. Lebron was in the finals period.... ur at home on couch the end..

    June 13, 2011 at 10:20 pm | Report abuse |
  2. lilypooch

    The fat lady may sing one day, but it won't be for James

    June 13, 2011 at 10:30 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Elizabeth

    LeBron was from Akron. He did a lot of charity in the area, where jobs and hope are needed. Disappointment has nothing to do with the sport or directly with LeBron. In 2001, Akron raised a million dollars and gave NYC a full ladder truck and paramedic ambulance. This is a part of the country that puts its heart on the line. We have gotten over LeBron, although it was nice that he was here.

    June 13, 2011 at 10:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tony Justin

      OK, so one person in Ohio still likes LeBron. Obviously, Governor Kasich doesn't agree.

      June 13, 2011 at 11:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Former Clevander

      Ditto your comments...Michael Jordan came to DC and left...that does not make me hate Michael Jordan. I still love Michael Jordan, one of the greatest that played the game.

      June 13, 2011 at 11:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Alfred H

      Boring Elizabeth you are no sports expert or a fanatic. what does million dollars and full ladder truck with paramedics ambulance has to do with sports think before you say something about a topic that doesn't even involve with sports. SHut up why don't you.

      June 13, 2011 at 11:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jared

      many clevelanders are over the decision. some of us have even realized were better off without him. there was no way we were winning a championship with that guy on the roster. i actually feel bad for the guy now. he has been completely exposed as a player and as a person. its hard to blame a guy for being a terd when he has no father and his mother is trash.

      June 13, 2011 at 11:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jared

      i would also add that cleveland was not necessarily upset that lebron left. we were upset that the guy backed every non home town team. we were upset that he quit in game 5 against boston (which i personally dont fault him for after seeing its more endemic of a larger problem he has and not just disregard for the fans). we were upset that he insisted on saddling our roster with antawn jamisons terrible contract when he knew he was leaving. we were upset that he left cleveland believing he was coming back all of the way up until he embarrassed us on national tv in an hour long prime time special. there was a whole lot more going on than a basketball player switching teams. none of that matters now though because we know who he is and feel bad for him as a result. at least i do.

      June 14, 2011 at 12:02 am | Report abuse |
  4. David

    Last night LeBron said he will go home to his wonderful life, and all his haters will return to their miserable lives. This is why people don't like LeBron.

    June 13, 2011 at 10:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tony Justin

      He hates the people that made him rich. Typical.

      June 13, 2011 at 10:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ron

      for the haters I think he hit the nail right on the head...so what it is okay to hate on him but he can't hate back....I'm just saying

      June 13, 2011 at 11:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Hugo

      "Don't like" isn't the same as "hate." I don't like Mr. James. I also don't hate Mr. James. Mr. James isn't a murderer, after all.

      June 13, 2011 at 11:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • B brown

      Agree, but us broke folks will sleep better! Lol

      June 13, 2011 at 11:46 pm | Report abuse |
  5. FelGocity

    What about Dork Nitwitski?

    June 13, 2011 at 10:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tony Justin

      Do you mean NBA champion Dirk Nowitzki?

      June 13, 2011 at 10:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • R Calling

      You mean the same Dirk Nowitzki who kicked the three fake amigos' bottoms with loyalty and with class, despite real injuries, by trusting his coach and his teammates and by not gloating? If that's a dork and if that's nitpicking, I'll take it any and every day over chumps, paper kings and frontrunners and classless bigmouths. No wonder the overwhelming, and I do mean overwhelming majority of fans across the country rooted for the Mavs.

      June 13, 2011 at 11:29 pm | Report abuse |
  6. fred simonds

    I only watched the finals to see this obnoxious,egostical jerk and his 2 buddies get their butts kicked. Players conspiring to build a championship team as these clowns did is insulting to many coaches and players. Couldn't have been better- kicking their butts at home an miam looked sick and gave up after the 3rd quarter that or panicked so bad they couldn't put the ball in the basket. best result since mchale and bird.

    June 13, 2011 at 10:56 pm | Report abuse |
  7. David

    It's time we stop spending tax dollars to build stadiums and arenas.

    June 13, 2011 at 11:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Alienxfb14

      Well that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You might not like sports, but do you realize how many jobs they create for middle-class Americans?

      June 13, 2011 at 11:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lando Colt 45

      @alienxfb: Yee I need a muh fugghin job sellin overpriced weiners to dum white men who caint see da innyouendow of stikin a hot meaty Weiner in dey mouf.. DAT pay 40k a year? Aww $#!T

      June 14, 2011 at 1:42 am | Report abuse |
  8. Always a LeBron Fan

    Another thing, how come Dan Gilbert thinks (hope) he will get a ring before LeBron. I mean seriously, Dan couldn't build a championship team around LeBron for 7 years but now something is magically suppose to happen without him (sure, right). A championship ring in Cleveland will never happen because no one will ever rise up to LeBron's status in Cleveland and do what he did. Look how long it has taken Dirk; MIami has a better shot because of their talent. Dan Gilbert, silly wabbit trix are for kids....................................

    June 13, 2011 at 11:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ricky Bobby

      "Always a LeBron Fan" You do know Gilbert got 1st & 4th pick this year, right? You also know that LeBron de'liberately made Gilbert wait for last picks last year. Granted Gilbert shouldn't have banked on LeFlake but it's not Gilberts fault. LeBron is a good player but it takes more than skill to be a TEAM player. (Which is what will win you a championship in the end)


      June 13, 2011 at 11:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Alfred H

      I agree I'm a lebron fan and always will be. All of ya'll lebron haters out there can hate Lebron James all you want because he's #1 right now and always will be Kobe Bryant's days are over.

      June 13, 2011 at 11:39 pm | Report abuse |


    June 13, 2011 at 11:13 pm | Report abuse |
  10. David

    LeBron is a spoiled child...he needs swift kick in the rear.

    June 13, 2011 at 11:26 pm | Report abuse |
  11. gung hoe

    I have seen alot of stars come and go and yes you have to have the ability to play as a superstar by yourself but this isnt just for james but bosch and wade also you have to play as a team first and foremost and if them three are willing to humble themselves and learn from their coach how to play as a team watchout because then they will be dominate

    June 13, 2011 at 11:29 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Former Clevander

    I wish LeBron all the best..Cleveland needs to let him go. He gave them 7 or 8 years of his life. Stop hating on him. I think he stayed in Cleveland long enough. The fans need to let him go...he is not coming back...get over it.

    June 13, 2011 at 11:36 pm | Report abuse |
  13. patrick

    I was disappointed in Lebron for leaving cleveland the way he did. I understand wanting a ring but having honor, perseverance and integrity make greatness not greed. I am so happy that the underdogs won b/c putting together a superstar team that loses in the end is a real victory. Here I was thinking the heat was gonna win it all but sometimes I LOVE being proved wrong. Good job mavs! Maybe future upcoming stars can learn from Lebrons mistakes and keep honor in the game. After all, it's all about what your fans think and not what it is YOU as a STAR plan to achieve. Without your fans you so called STARS are absolutely NOTHING!!!!

    June 13, 2011 at 11:43 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Vishnu

    People are upset not because James left Cleveland but how he left. He could have simply told the he needed to go to a different team where he has better chance of winning. But he made a big event out of it and left cleveland disrespctfully. Also when Cleveland was on a loosing streak (a record number of losses), he made fun of them. How can you do it when you are a professional?

    Kevin Garnett left Minnesota after playing there for long time. He simply told owners an people it's time for him to win a championship and needed to leave and joined Boston. Though people were not happy, they have taken it well and didn't get upset.

    It's the arrogance of James that make him hated. Even when he lost, he was not humbled. Instead he is making fun of people and talks about his riches and how people who hate him are losers and not rich like him. After all this, I am also glad that Dallas won it.

    Because of him, the whole Miami team is getting bashed. I believe Wade is a lot better player and composed and a better human than james but he is also getting bashed just because he is with james.

    I am glad Jason Kidd and Nowitzki got their rings.

    June 13, 2011 at 11:54 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Jim

    I live in Ohio and I don't agree with how everyone wants to take comfort in the fact LeBron didn't win a championship this year. It's downright rude and I would want my child to see what is going on and think that this was justified. It's just wrong...

    LeBron was right. Those who are running him down have to look at themselves and ask themselves what kind of person would gloat and take pleasure when someone fails to achieve a goal.

    The problem here is not that the Miami Heat lost or that LeBron doesn't have a championship ring. The problem here is envy and a lack of courtesy. Not everyone is for or against LeBron and it doesn't matter which side you're on, you have some valid points. LeBron could have done the move to Miami better, the Heat could have played up the friendship between Wade and LeBron more so that we all could have understood that part of the decision. Who wouldn't want to achieve a lifelong dream with their best friend's help?

    I'm not saying LeBron's comments after the game were appropriate either but you know what, if all you want is to see me fail...too bad, so sad, sorry 'bout your life.

    To those of you in Cleveland celebrating LeBron not getting a championship – you're showing poor sportsmanship. You didn't even make the playoffs so you can't even say you coulda woulda shoulda. Be nice and say " good job" to LeBron even while you smile and try to twist the knife...

    To those of you using Ohio Gov. John Kasich as an example of good sportsmanship, shame on you! Kasich is the perfect example of someone who doesn't care about any agenda other than his own. If that's your best example of a person of character...you need to rethink what character means. It means doing the right thing even when you don't want to. That's not Kasich and I challenge anyone to come up with an explanation of how Kasich's proclamation to the Dallas Mavericks is an example of the kind of character you want your child to have.

    All of this is just sad. Sad to see LeBron not get his ring, sad to see the people dancing at the funeral and sad to see all of the bad behavior coming out of Ohio.

    June 14, 2011 at 12:02 am | Report abuse |
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