Overheard on CNN.com: To be great, James needs humility
LeBron James reacts during Sunday's NBA Finals game against the Dallas Mavericks. Dallas' Dirk Nowitzki is at rear.
June 13th, 2011
07:34 PM ET

Overheard on CNN.com: To be great, James needs humility

Comment of the Day:

“It's not about him leaving Cleveland: players do that all the time. It is the manner in which he left and the ego he took into this season that makes it satisfying to see him fail hard in the championship. Kinda like when the Giants took down the 18-0 Patriots.”–rob

Clevelanders laughing as LeBron loses; in Dallas, perseverance pays off

It seems that LeBron James broke the hearts of many Cleveland fans when he moved on to play basketball for the Miami Heat. So Clevelanders were a mite gratified when Miami lost to the Dallas Mavericks in Game 6 of the NBA Finals on Sunday night. Many CNN.com readers said the issue was sportsmanship and not ability.

deb said, “Sportswriters get it. Players get it. If you put self-promotion above the game, you are not going to be well liked. Character still counts. Humility still counts. Lebron could be great, but he needs to chill out, figure out how to play with a team as a team and put away the cult of personality. He is potentially one of the greatest, but you can destroy talent without discipline. In any event, Dallas and Dirk worked for it, and worked together to win. Beautiful.”

Bobby said, “Whether Mavericks fans or not, all fans can appreciate winning with class, and all fans can appreciate those without class being humbled. The youth of today needed to see that those who think only about themselves are not often rewarded.”

r-hope said, “It boils down to one thing: humility. And LeBron doesn't know how to spell that. After losing, he was too proud to even congratulate the Mavs; that is what you do in sports. You acknowledge that the winning team did a better job. The day Lebron will learn to win and not thump his chest about it, or gloat over those who lose, that will be the day he becomes a real star.”

Many readers said it was time for Cleveland fans to let go of the past and move on. Steph said, “Seriously, City of Cleveland, you need to get over LeBron leaving. I know you feel betrayed because he said he would never leave but really!”

Beth said, “James left–yes–but this was just business and nothing else. And look, he helped bring Miami this far. He could have done a lot worse; and he's young and has a long time ahead of him to win a championship. So get over it, Cleveland.”

Yasnel said, “Cleveland needs to man up and stop crying. It's cold and disgusting up there; nothing to do besides freeze. Who wouldn't come to Miami and enjoy the nice weather and beautiful women!”

Tracy Morgan and the limits of comedy

Is it fair to condemn comedian Tracy Morgan for his anti-gay rant? Commentator Roland Martin points out that shock jocks are given a free pass for language that would bring a lawsuit in another context.

Many CNN.com readers said the problem was not so much what Morgan said, but how he said it. Oklahomo said, “I believe most protesters to Morgan's rants were clear about his tone being the issue; it was not joking at all but vile hatred spoken to an ignorant audience that thinks the same way." icka1975 said, "Exactly. It's all in the tone and delivery."

NickV1point0 said, “We're inclined to forgive the material if it's well written and actually makes us laugh. Morgan was plain hatred, pure form, unfiltered by funny. That's why he drew the reaction he did. We don't laugh at pure hate, we laugh if someone can turn that hate into humor."

19random35 said, “I'm a fan of Morgan's work on 30 Rock, but I've always thought his standup was pretty weak. If what he said was reported accurately, it seems pretty awful. I also know that jokes from some of my favorite comedians might look pretty awful on paper, too. But they use devices like irony to ridicule prejudices. It takes a skilled comic to navigate such risky material, and I think Morgan fails in this department."

willyd said, “I find it hard to believe that the person who listened to Morgan and later wrote about it went to the show not knowing what kind of a comedian Tracy Morgan is. I find his routines offensive, as I do those of many other comics. If you don't like it, don't complain to everyone about it. Just don't go."

But Gaucho420 was not so forgiving. "Would Roland find it funny, or acceptable, if a white man said he would lynch his son if he was black?" he asked. "Same difference, loser." Neutronium said, "He said some sick things. He apologized for saying those things. Moving on."

Former transit cop convicted in California subway shooting goes free

A former transit police officer was freed early after being convicted in the shooting death of an unarmed man on an Oakland, California, train platform.  Johannes Mehserle was convicted of involuntary manslaughter - after testifying that he accidentally shot Oscar Grant with a gun instead of a Taser in January 2009 - and was sentenced last year to two years in prison.  He was released Monday because California law gave him good conduct credit for days served.

Mehserle's release apparently revived arguments over whether the killing was an accident and whether Grant was resisting arrest or trying to calm his companions. thomasmc said, "See? Murder is OK, if you're a cop, and your victim is black."

johnnyhouse said, "You did not see the video before it was edited. He was resisting when the cop drew what was supposed to be a Taser. As soon as the cop fired the shot he looked at his partner and could not believe what he had just done. That video was shown first, and Grant was resisting on the original part of the early video. At first the cops started out to get them to move on and it picked up from there to the disaster that happened. No one will ever convince me that this is not the way it happened."

In another exchange, FutureLogic said, "Have you even watched the video? He was clearly subdued, and restrained when the shooting occurred." tkessler45 said, "I saw the video too, and there was a decent amount of commotion going on. As much as it could be seen as blatant murder, it could also be seen as a mistake."

Guest said, “Maybe it was an accident, but then you'd also have to call the cop a moron for not knowing the weight difference between a Glock and a Taser.”

ZooLife2 said, “You're far more likely to get murdered by someone like Grant than you are to get shot by someone like Mehserle. Grant had served two state prison terms for felony convictions.”

AGoodwin said, “Grant was the father of a 4-year-old girl and was considered a peacemaker. Moments before he was shot he was pleading with his friends who were all cuffed up to calm down and be cooperative with police. Grant was seen begging the police officers not to shoot. This is not a man who was out that night to kill or loot.”

Do you feel your views align with these commenters' thoughts? Post a comment below or sound off on video.

Compiled by the CNN.com moderation staff. Some comments edited for length or clarity.

soundoff (222 Responses)
  1. AggyPryd

    There's nothing wrong with Lebron's humility level. He needs to work on his mid-range game.

    June 14, 2011 at 7:40 am | Report abuse |
  2. Susan

    Come on people!! Tracey Morgan isn't even funny on 30 Rock!!! The show would be just as good or better without him. I get tired of his ignorant character that is seems is actually his real personality! Hasen't been funny since he left SNL. His standup is painful!! I can't understand how he keeps a job as a comedian!

    June 14, 2011 at 7:46 am | Report abuse |
  3. Realist

    Cleveland should not forget about it. That's what makes sports so great, villains and heroes for all to boo or cheer.

    June 14, 2011 at 7:48 am | Report abuse |
    • From Suburb of Cleveland

      You people who say Clevelanders have to stop crying and get over it don't understand one bit. As many other Clevelanders have been explaining, we supported this home town boy. We gave him our hearts, love, and we had his back. He literally said, I don't give a crap about you people to the whole country. So yes, it was the manner that he left us that bothers us most. Now that the big mouth has been defeated and put properly in his place, by the way thanks Mavs, WE LOVE YOU!, we Clevelanders can move on. It is over. I really don't care if he wins a championship at this point or not. Also I have to say this was all a pre-done deal with Bosh and James going to Miami which was done illegally! back door deals are not permitted in the NBA. So that is another reason why I hope Miami doesn't win for a
      long time.

      June 14, 2011 at 8:58 am | Report abuse |

      Suburb. LJ owed Cleveland NOTHING. He spent years there with little or no ownership support. As evidence from this series, you cannot win a championship without a team. He was never given a team by your lame owners to even compete at the highest level. I am not a huge LJ fan but it is about business. He took a deal which gave him the best short term chance of winning a championship. Their effort fell short but he had NO CHANCE of ever winning anything if he had stayed in Cleveland. He would have had a better chance of getting a World Series ring with the Indians than winning with the Cavs. get over yourselves and your losing sports town.

      June 14, 2011 at 9:14 am | Report abuse |
  4. tom whitby

    "The King is dead".

    Lebron is gone.

    Cleveland has moved on.

    Tom...Cleve Land

    June 14, 2011 at 7:57 am | Report abuse |
  5. Sparty_Rulez

    "Pride comes before the fall" – King James Version

    June 14, 2011 at 8:17 am | Report abuse |
  6. Dmak

    “It's not about him leaving Cleveland: players do that all the time. It is the manner in which he left and the ego he took into this season that makes it satisfying to see him fail hard in the championship. Kinda like when the Giants took down the 18-0 Patriots.”–rob

    Please don't put james failure in the same class as the Pats....Pats, deserve much better....He's in his own world...I can't think of a single example of the crap James pulled.

    June 14, 2011 at 8:25 am | Report abuse |
    • JB

      I agree. How is this in any relation to the Patriots? Because they were undefeated?

      June 14, 2011 at 8:41 am | Report abuse |
  7. Not a basketball fan

    I am from Cleveland and I think that those of you who are not from Cleveland don't get Cleveland's grudge against Lebron because you are not from Cleveland. You did not see first hand how much this city supported Lebron. It wasn't a one way street here. Cleveland didn't sit back and expect Lebron to bring us the win. This city put him on his thrown. He was a hometown boy who the city of Cleveland believed in and appreciated. It's not about him leaving. It's about how he did it. Cleveland loved him and we did not deserve how he humiliated us on "The Decision". So yea, it's pretty awesome to see him not get the ring.

    June 14, 2011 at 8:30 am | Report abuse |
    • C Johnson

      At the end of the day LeBron is a grown man that make his own 'decision' about where he would like to live/play. After growing up in Akron (not Cleveland) the world/media covered this young boy since he was like 11 years old; television showed his HIGH SCHOOL games that were SOLD out. The state of Ohio loved LeBron and he in turn loved them by playing his heart out for 7yrs...he honored his contract and moved on. Similar to what everyday people to at their jobs, work for a couple of years then move on to get growing. The hate that has come this young man's way is truly disgusting; I understand the feeling of being let down by your HERO and the initial rage was warranted...but a year later the Cavs owner and the Gov of Ohio taking shots at this 26yr old man is just juvinile. Why on earth would the Gov of one state show so much praise for a team from other state....doesn't the Cavs play the Mavs every year??? LeBron does have some maturing to do and his 'Decision' was in poor taste; however, he did play as a TEAM player with the Heat this year but now people are mad about that. He helped the Heat make it to the Finals and win two games, that's way more than the Cavs, Lakers, Spurs, Bulls, Celtics, Thunder, did in 2011. Cleveland Cavs fans...yes he left now get over it and worry about building your team so you can do what the Heat did and make it to the Finals.

      June 14, 2011 at 9:12 am | Report abuse |
  8. Ken

    Lebron showed his true class by in so many words telling the fan that he will still have his money and the fans will still be losers. If it wasn't for basketball he would be flipping hamburgers or in jail, someone needs to remind him who pays his salary. Lebron is the biggest loser, couldn't carry Jordan's jock strap

    June 14, 2011 at 8:35 am | Report abuse |
    • Vee

      With all that's been said about LeBron–unnecessarily, he had every right to remind the people who've been bad-mouthing him that they have their own problems to attend to...and they will have those same problems whether he wins or loses. He nor any other athlete 'owes' anybody anything. It is not LeBron James' fault that our culture places so much emphasis on sports and athletes. I am an avid sports fan but at the end of the day, I have to work 9-5 to provide for myself. THAT'S where my energy goes–not on multimillionaires who play with balls.

      June 14, 2011 at 9:05 am | Report abuse |
    • VoiceOfReason

      And what if I say you are showing YOUR lack of class (or worse) by saying that flipping burgers or going to jail are the only alternatives for a young black man. (And let's make no mistake about it, you would NOT have said that about Bird, Stockton, or Nowitski. FYI, LeBron is a decently well-spoken young man, to have gone straight from HS to the pros. And nobody but the FANS are to blame for the stratospheric salaries of athletes. So go back to your insignificance and leave the young talents to their lives. I wish them all well and hope they learn to navigate Life well.

      June 14, 2011 at 9:16 am | Report abuse |
  9. Rudi

    All he need is to read the sensational book at TheDimensionMachine dot com

    June 14, 2011 at 8:39 am | Report abuse |
    • Rob

      I hope it's written in better English than your comment.

      June 14, 2011 at 9:13 am | Report abuse |
  10. Big Game James

    LBJ never said anything about being Jordan. The media does that just like they did it to Kobe. Let him be LeBron and find his own place in sports history. That being said, LBJ needs to keep quiet and hit the practice court hard. And hit the weight room HARD! I hear he doesn't use the weights that much. Imagine him with 10-12 lbs more muscle. Gotta get past the mental part of it though. Maybe some time with Tony Dungy? He seems to be a great mentor that athletes who need that kind of influence can turn to.

    June 14, 2011 at 8:48 am | Report abuse |
  11. Big Game James

    @Ken Typical stupid fan. "I buy tickets so he should be the athlete I want him to be." If you don't want to pay him don't buy anything that helps pay him. I bet you that's hard to do. And if you had just got your heart stepped on you'd be little salty too.

    June 14, 2011 at 8:53 am | Report abuse |
  12. Martin Fosher

    Who cares? Get your head into the real problems of the world and ignore the bread and circuses the main stream media diverts your attention to. And use another news source rather than the MSM sycophants.

    June 14, 2011 at 8:57 am | Report abuse |
  13. Bill, Bloomington Il

    Can we send Scottie Pippen to Miami? He is in love with King James anyway. maybe they could have a civil union or whatever it is in Florida.

    June 14, 2011 at 8:59 am | Report abuse |
  14. Big Game James

    @Martin Foster You cared enough to read and comment on it.

    June 14, 2011 at 9:01 am | Report abuse |
  15. beth

    "Cold and disgusting"? Have you even been to Cleveland in the Spring, Summer and Fall? We have Lake Erie which is blue, and beautiful and the Metroparks system for hiking and exploring. Get over yourself

    June 14, 2011 at 9:03 am | Report abuse |
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