Overheard on CNN.com: To be great, James needs humility
LeBron James reacts during Sunday's NBA Finals game against the Dallas Mavericks. Dallas' Dirk Nowitzki is at rear.
June 13th, 2011
07:34 PM ET

Overheard on CNN.com: To be great, James needs humility

Comment of the Day:

“It's not about him leaving Cleveland: players do that all the time. It is the manner in which he left and the ego he took into this season that makes it satisfying to see him fail hard in the championship. Kinda like when the Giants took down the 18-0 Patriots.”–rob

Clevelanders laughing as LeBron loses; in Dallas, perseverance pays off

It seems that LeBron James broke the hearts of many Cleveland fans when he moved on to play basketball for the Miami Heat. So Clevelanders were a mite gratified when Miami lost to the Dallas Mavericks in Game 6 of the NBA Finals on Sunday night. Many CNN.com readers said the issue was sportsmanship and not ability.

deb said, “Sportswriters get it. Players get it. If you put self-promotion above the game, you are not going to be well liked. Character still counts. Humility still counts. Lebron could be great, but he needs to chill out, figure out how to play with a team as a team and put away the cult of personality. He is potentially one of the greatest, but you can destroy talent without discipline. In any event, Dallas and Dirk worked for it, and worked together to win. Beautiful.”

Bobby said, “Whether Mavericks fans or not, all fans can appreciate winning with class, and all fans can appreciate those without class being humbled. The youth of today needed to see that those who think only about themselves are not often rewarded.”

r-hope said, “It boils down to one thing: humility. And LeBron doesn't know how to spell that. After losing, he was too proud to even congratulate the Mavs; that is what you do in sports. You acknowledge that the winning team did a better job. The day Lebron will learn to win and not thump his chest about it, or gloat over those who lose, that will be the day he becomes a real star.”

Many readers said it was time for Cleveland fans to let go of the past and move on. Steph said, “Seriously, City of Cleveland, you need to get over LeBron leaving. I know you feel betrayed because he said he would never leave but really!”

Beth said, “James left–yes–but this was just business and nothing else. And look, he helped bring Miami this far. He could have done a lot worse; and he's young and has a long time ahead of him to win a championship. So get over it, Cleveland.”

Yasnel said, “Cleveland needs to man up and stop crying. It's cold and disgusting up there; nothing to do besides freeze. Who wouldn't come to Miami and enjoy the nice weather and beautiful women!”

Tracy Morgan and the limits of comedy

Is it fair to condemn comedian Tracy Morgan for his anti-gay rant? Commentator Roland Martin points out that shock jocks are given a free pass for language that would bring a lawsuit in another context.

Many CNN.com readers said the problem was not so much what Morgan said, but how he said it. Oklahomo said, “I believe most protesters to Morgan's rants were clear about his tone being the issue; it was not joking at all but vile hatred spoken to an ignorant audience that thinks the same way." icka1975 said, "Exactly. It's all in the tone and delivery."

NickV1point0 said, “We're inclined to forgive the material if it's well written and actually makes us laugh. Morgan was plain hatred, pure form, unfiltered by funny. That's why he drew the reaction he did. We don't laugh at pure hate, we laugh if someone can turn that hate into humor."

19random35 said, “I'm a fan of Morgan's work on 30 Rock, but I've always thought his standup was pretty weak. If what he said was reported accurately, it seems pretty awful. I also know that jokes from some of my favorite comedians might look pretty awful on paper, too. But they use devices like irony to ridicule prejudices. It takes a skilled comic to navigate such risky material, and I think Morgan fails in this department."

willyd said, “I find it hard to believe that the person who listened to Morgan and later wrote about it went to the show not knowing what kind of a comedian Tracy Morgan is. I find his routines offensive, as I do those of many other comics. If you don't like it, don't complain to everyone about it. Just don't go."

But Gaucho420 was not so forgiving. "Would Roland find it funny, or acceptable, if a white man said he would lynch his son if he was black?" he asked. "Same difference, loser." Neutronium said, "He said some sick things. He apologized for saying those things. Moving on."

Former transit cop convicted in California subway shooting goes free

A former transit police officer was freed early after being convicted in the shooting death of an unarmed man on an Oakland, California, train platform.  Johannes Mehserle was convicted of involuntary manslaughter - after testifying that he accidentally shot Oscar Grant with a gun instead of a Taser in January 2009 - and was sentenced last year to two years in prison.  He was released Monday because California law gave him good conduct credit for days served.

Mehserle's release apparently revived arguments over whether the killing was an accident and whether Grant was resisting arrest or trying to calm his companions. thomasmc said, "See? Murder is OK, if you're a cop, and your victim is black."

johnnyhouse said, "You did not see the video before it was edited. He was resisting when the cop drew what was supposed to be a Taser. As soon as the cop fired the shot he looked at his partner and could not believe what he had just done. That video was shown first, and Grant was resisting on the original part of the early video. At first the cops started out to get them to move on and it picked up from there to the disaster that happened. No one will ever convince me that this is not the way it happened."

In another exchange, FutureLogic said, "Have you even watched the video? He was clearly subdued, and restrained when the shooting occurred." tkessler45 said, "I saw the video too, and there was a decent amount of commotion going on. As much as it could be seen as blatant murder, it could also be seen as a mistake."

Guest said, “Maybe it was an accident, but then you'd also have to call the cop a moron for not knowing the weight difference between a Glock and a Taser.”

ZooLife2 said, “You're far more likely to get murdered by someone like Grant than you are to get shot by someone like Mehserle. Grant had served two state prison terms for felony convictions.”

AGoodwin said, “Grant was the father of a 4-year-old girl and was considered a peacemaker. Moments before he was shot he was pleading with his friends who were all cuffed up to calm down and be cooperative with police. Grant was seen begging the police officers not to shoot. This is not a man who was out that night to kill or loot.”

Do you feel your views align with these commenters' thoughts? Post a comment below or sound off on video.

Compiled by the CNN.com moderation staff. Some comments edited for length or clarity.

soundoff (222 Responses)
  1. Eric

    I'm not a Cavs fan but i'm glad that he lost, yes i live in Ohio but do not like the cavs nor hate the cavs. but the way he left he needed to lose. he thinks that he is better than everyone just because he can play ball and is in the pro's. no one is better than the other person just because they make more money. when death comes for you, you are just as equal as the next. so yes he deserved to lose but need to lose badly, but that didn't happen. and Cleveland is a beautiful city but just like miami it has its bad and dirty parts.

    June 14, 2011 at 9:03 am | Report abuse |
  2. Big Game James

    @From Suburb of Cleveland Illegal? Get the fvck outta here. Worry about the sorry ass Browns!

    June 14, 2011 at 9:05 am | Report abuse |
  3. John

    Just another no-class fool with a big paycheck and an even bigger ego.

    June 14, 2011 at 9:10 am | Report abuse |
    • Eric

      I replied with a similar post last night blaming the media for contributing to who he is today.

      June 14, 2011 at 9:40 am | Report abuse |
    • Gene

      As Jay Leno said, LBJ needed to bring his talents to Dallas since Dirk and the Mavs brought their talents to S. Beach!!!

      June 14, 2011 at 9:54 am | Report abuse |
    • awdam

      he probably just needs his butt kicked by a group of gay men.

      June 14, 2011 at 10:10 am | Report abuse |
  4. JOE

    Kudos to Dirk. Dirk never left the Dallas Mavericks when they were in the basement. He stuck with them through the tumultous years and his commitment and loyalty to his team paid off in the end. Something like my Boston Red Socks. I never gave up on them and in 2004 and 2007 I cried tears of joy.

    June 14, 2011 at 9:23 am | Report abuse |
  5. Bandjammer

    To be great: he needs to win championships. I think he just got handed a bucket full of humility.

    June 14, 2011 at 9:43 am | Report abuse |
  6. jim

    it must be the coach! how can it be lebron james? it can't be him, he is a superstar. this guy is full of hot air with a big fat ego. i blame the media for making this guy something that he is not and never will be.

    June 14, 2011 at 9:49 am | Report abuse |
  7. Kerry

    @Yasnel – I believe you just joined LeBron's ranks among Clevelanders and Cleveland fans. Must be a pretty view with your head up your a$$, cause it doesn't seem you'll be taking it out of there anytime soon.

    June 14, 2011 at 9:49 am | Report abuse |
  8. Phillip M. Baldwin

    on another accidental shooting of a black man in Oakland. If these shoootings are "accidental" whether it is in Oakland or shooting a guy 41 times in New York. My question is why are a huge mahority of the "accidental" shooting victims balck men? Anyone with a casual undeerstanding of statisics will tell you that doesn not add up. Police take a much more cautious view of arresting whites than they do balcks. They know the consequences of shooting a white are far greater than a black. look at the facts, not the rhetoric.

    June 14, 2011 at 9:49 am | Report abuse |
  9. ping pong

    LeBron is just a spoiled brat who hasn't had to work for anything in his life. He plays a game for a living and should be thankful that he gets paid to work out and play a GAME. The media is just racist

    June 14, 2011 at 9:50 am | Report abuse |
    • JW Booth

      Hasnt had to work for anything in his life ? Really Lets see you go through an entire NBA season and see if you think that the hours and hours of training camp, practice and games, time in the weight room, public apearances ect ect is not work. I dont even like LJ but to say he has never worked for anything in his life is just plain stupid !!! His team made it to the FINALS this year and fell short so what ? You arent fit to carry his jock strap

      June 14, 2011 at 10:29 am | Report abuse |
  10. DeejCNN

    I can't believe what he said about his spat with Cleveland etc at the post game press conf.... some of the respect that I had for him decayed right there. He basically meant for the people of Cleveland... you are poor with nothing on you, and nothing is changing for the better for you... I am rich and will get richer doing what I have chosen to do... so chill!

    I sure hope he gets some cultural/sensitivity training etc... otherwise, if he keeps being such a fool, he will lose at least some endorsements...

    June 14, 2011 at 9:52 am | Report abuse |
  11. TheRodeoBuzz

    the problem here is the media...stop talking about this fruitcake. he is no Air Jordan or Kobe Byrant for that matter...the ego is so big but the it's all show and no go....he might get 1 championship in his career..but when it happens no one will care at all..especially Cleveland Fans.

    June 14, 2011 at 9:53 am | Report abuse |
    • MONESE

      CLEVELAND DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR LEBRON EXCEPT MAKE MONEY. THAT'S WHAT THIS ABOUT - MONEY. TALK ABOUT EGO. WHO PUT HIM ON THE PEDESTAL? CLEVELAND BECAUSE HE WAS A MONEY MAKING MACHINE. WHEN YOU HAVE A GOVERNOR TAINTING AN NBA PLAYER AND THE OWNER OF THE CAVALIERS ISSUING A STATEMENT IN THE MANNER THAT HE DID - THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BASKETBALL. PEOPLE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE MANNER IN WHICH HE LEFT. DID ANYBODY LISTEN TO WHY HE HELD THE PRESS CONFERENCE - TO BENEFIT THE BOYS CLUB. WHEN HE TAKES OVER THE GAME, HE'S SHOWBOATING. WHEN HE TRIES TO INVOLVE OTHER PLAYERS, THEN HE'S NOT PLAYING TO HIS POTENTIAL. GIVE THE MAN A BREAK.

      June 14, 2011 at 10:16 am | Report abuse |
  12. DA

    LJ, should have one kept his move simple, two when the other team out plays your team admit it and move on, but since he didn't do any of those things he will be constantly be targeted by media and NBA fans.

    June 14, 2011 at 9:55 am | Report abuse |
  13. DAVID ADAMS (LEBRON JAMES FAN)

    Man that man did the same thing everybody else do........I really dont like that fact that people really care about he left its the job not ment to stay forever on one team with no hopes of winning the championship...People should think how the organization let Carlos Boozer leave when they had one of the best teams right after he got drafted an if the man that ran the Cleveland organization was looking out for the city he would have did better to take care of the situation

    June 14, 2011 at 9:56 am | Report abuse |
    • Get a Clue

      The Cavs didn't let Carlos Boozer go. Carlos made a deal with the Cavs that he would sign a six-year contract with them in free agency if they declined his team option. He then turned around and signed with Utah.

      June 14, 2011 at 10:27 am | Report abuse |
  14. geoz

    He just needs to win and the fans (well, fans besides me) will forgive him. He'll be a legend like every other big ego in sports.

    June 14, 2011 at 10:00 am | Report abuse |
  15. Symone

    In response to Tracy Morgan and the limits of comedy. No offense by this but I really think the LGBT community is too sensitive. Honestly if this same comment was made idk 2 to 4 years ago no one would be calling for this man's head. If the people who attended this show had paid any attention to Tracy Morgan prior to his time on 30 Rock they would know that this comment was no shock. He has just managed to acquire a different crowd who is not so accepting of his type of humor

    June 14, 2011 at 10:11 am | Report abuse |
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