Overheard on CNN.com: To be great, James needs humility
LeBron James reacts during Sunday's NBA Finals game against the Dallas Mavericks. Dallas' Dirk Nowitzki is at rear.
June 13th, 2011
07:34 PM ET

Overheard on CNN.com: To be great, James needs humility

Comment of the Day:

“It's not about him leaving Cleveland: players do that all the time. It is the manner in which he left and the ego he took into this season that makes it satisfying to see him fail hard in the championship. Kinda like when the Giants took down the 18-0 Patriots.”–rob

Clevelanders laughing as LeBron loses; in Dallas, perseverance pays off

It seems that LeBron James broke the hearts of many Cleveland fans when he moved on to play basketball for the Miami Heat. So Clevelanders were a mite gratified when Miami lost to the Dallas Mavericks in Game 6 of the NBA Finals on Sunday night. Many CNN.com readers said the issue was sportsmanship and not ability.

deb said, “Sportswriters get it. Players get it. If you put self-promotion above the game, you are not going to be well liked. Character still counts. Humility still counts. Lebron could be great, but he needs to chill out, figure out how to play with a team as a team and put away the cult of personality. He is potentially one of the greatest, but you can destroy talent without discipline. In any event, Dallas and Dirk worked for it, and worked together to win. Beautiful.”

Bobby said, “Whether Mavericks fans or not, all fans can appreciate winning with class, and all fans can appreciate those without class being humbled. The youth of today needed to see that those who think only about themselves are not often rewarded.”

r-hope said, “It boils down to one thing: humility. And LeBron doesn't know how to spell that. After losing, he was too proud to even congratulate the Mavs; that is what you do in sports. You acknowledge that the winning team did a better job. The day Lebron will learn to win and not thump his chest about it, or gloat over those who lose, that will be the day he becomes a real star.”

Many readers said it was time for Cleveland fans to let go of the past and move on. Steph said, “Seriously, City of Cleveland, you need to get over LeBron leaving. I know you feel betrayed because he said he would never leave but really!”

Beth said, “James left–yes–but this was just business and nothing else. And look, he helped bring Miami this far. He could have done a lot worse; and he's young and has a long time ahead of him to win a championship. So get over it, Cleveland.”

Yasnel said, “Cleveland needs to man up and stop crying. It's cold and disgusting up there; nothing to do besides freeze. Who wouldn't come to Miami and enjoy the nice weather and beautiful women!”

Tracy Morgan and the limits of comedy

Is it fair to condemn comedian Tracy Morgan for his anti-gay rant? Commentator Roland Martin points out that shock jocks are given a free pass for language that would bring a lawsuit in another context.

Many CNN.com readers said the problem was not so much what Morgan said, but how he said it. Oklahomo said, “I believe most protesters to Morgan's rants were clear about his tone being the issue; it was not joking at all but vile hatred spoken to an ignorant audience that thinks the same way." icka1975 said, "Exactly. It's all in the tone and delivery."

NickV1point0 said, “We're inclined to forgive the material if it's well written and actually makes us laugh. Morgan was plain hatred, pure form, unfiltered by funny. That's why he drew the reaction he did. We don't laugh at pure hate, we laugh if someone can turn that hate into humor."

19random35 said, “I'm a fan of Morgan's work on 30 Rock, but I've always thought his standup was pretty weak. If what he said was reported accurately, it seems pretty awful. I also know that jokes from some of my favorite comedians might look pretty awful on paper, too. But they use devices like irony to ridicule prejudices. It takes a skilled comic to navigate such risky material, and I think Morgan fails in this department."

willyd said, “I find it hard to believe that the person who listened to Morgan and later wrote about it went to the show not knowing what kind of a comedian Tracy Morgan is. I find his routines offensive, as I do those of many other comics. If you don't like it, don't complain to everyone about it. Just don't go."

But Gaucho420 was not so forgiving. "Would Roland find it funny, or acceptable, if a white man said he would lynch his son if he was black?" he asked. "Same difference, loser." Neutronium said, "He said some sick things. He apologized for saying those things. Moving on."

Former transit cop convicted in California subway shooting goes free

A former transit police officer was freed early after being convicted in the shooting death of an unarmed man on an Oakland, California, train platform.  Johannes Mehserle was convicted of involuntary manslaughter - after testifying that he accidentally shot Oscar Grant with a gun instead of a Taser in January 2009 - and was sentenced last year to two years in prison.  He was released Monday because California law gave him good conduct credit for days served.

Mehserle's release apparently revived arguments over whether the killing was an accident and whether Grant was resisting arrest or trying to calm his companions. thomasmc said, "See? Murder is OK, if you're a cop, and your victim is black."

johnnyhouse said, "You did not see the video before it was edited. He was resisting when the cop drew what was supposed to be a Taser. As soon as the cop fired the shot he looked at his partner and could not believe what he had just done. That video was shown first, and Grant was resisting on the original part of the early video. At first the cops started out to get them to move on and it picked up from there to the disaster that happened. No one will ever convince me that this is not the way it happened."

In another exchange, FutureLogic said, "Have you even watched the video? He was clearly subdued, and restrained when the shooting occurred." tkessler45 said, "I saw the video too, and there was a decent amount of commotion going on. As much as it could be seen as blatant murder, it could also be seen as a mistake."

Guest said, “Maybe it was an accident, but then you'd also have to call the cop a moron for not knowing the weight difference between a Glock and a Taser.”

ZooLife2 said, “You're far more likely to get murdered by someone like Grant than you are to get shot by someone like Mehserle. Grant had served two state prison terms for felony convictions.”

AGoodwin said, “Grant was the father of a 4-year-old girl and was considered a peacemaker. Moments before he was shot he was pleading with his friends who were all cuffed up to calm down and be cooperative with police. Grant was seen begging the police officers not to shoot. This is not a man who was out that night to kill or loot.”

Do you feel your views align with these commenters' thoughts? Post a comment below or sound off on video.

Compiled by the CNN.com moderation staff. Some comments edited for length or clarity.

soundoff (222 Responses)
  1. I want da gold!

    This boy will never know humility.

    Lebron is 26, looks 36 and often acts like he's 16- Skip Bayless

    June 14, 2011 at 10:18 am | Report abuse |
  2. Sean

    C'mon people, get off your pedistals for a minute please. Everybody is a judge. I'm not even a Lebron James fan but enough is enough. The kid made mistakes....who didn't at the age of 26. This monster was built and many of you all contributed. Don't be hypocrits and beg for HUMILITY when what you really want is HUMILIATION. You want him to be torn down and ripped apart and for what?? Because he left Cleveland to play ball with his friends in Miami and win championships....whoa, great reason to hate somebody with a level of passion reserved for terrorists. GET OVER IT....better yet....GET OVER YOURSELVES. Let's put your lives under a microscope and see how you react. People say he didn't "congratulate the Mavs for beating them".....I personally saw him hug Jason Terry and Jason Kidd with tears in his eyes before going to the locker room. The so-called "good guys" have won and all is well in the land of karma......so LET IT GO.

    June 14, 2011 at 10:25 am | Report abuse |
  3. John Smitty

    Lebron has been a dick. He needs to learn humility and teamwork. He is just a basketball player. Nothing more. He talked about the fans as though they were the little people and he was above it all. That fans who booed him would still have to go back to their lives and jobs after they finished celebrating and it was just one more example of how he simply doesn't get it. Without the fans Lebron, you are literally nothing. You'd just be a tall man who can't do anything else but play basketball. And really, that's all you are now. If you suddenly couldn't play anymore you'd have a lot of money, sure, but what else would you really have? The admiration would soon fade.

    June 14, 2011 at 10:27 am | Report abuse |
    • Roy

      I'll take it. You can have the admiration. BTW James is so right. We all have our lives worry about instead of worrying what some rich guy who doesn't know or care that I exist. If we spent as much time and energy making ourselves better instead of worrying about celebs we would be so much better off.

      June 14, 2011 at 10:35 am | Report abuse |
  4. Roy

    And while all of you are spending so much energy hating Mr. James, he is on vacation for a month or so and you are working at a job you probably don't like with people you don't like. I think it's great that we live in a country where you can work hard, then get together with good friends and decide to all work together in a much nicer city; American capitalism at it finest. And who would want to live in Cleveland when you can live in Miami; plus save money in taxes. That what the American dream is all about.

    June 14, 2011 at 10:28 am | Report abuse |
  5. eve

    I wish everyone would stop hating on Lebron. Cleveland needs to get over it. His playing there is like working for a company and switching jobs. If the company fires you or in his case traded him would his going to Miami be an issue. No, it would not. People have the right to make choices and changes and everyone seems to want to punish this guy for living his life. Come on!!!! I hope he does WIN a championship hope he wins many, to SHUT UP all this noise.

    June 14, 2011 at 10:48 am | Report abuse |
  6. The TRUTH

    Lebron James is a 26 year old young man, who plays a game,that happens to be his job.He played in cleveland for seven years and actually, brought life back into the city of cleveland. When the organization "FAILED" to get better talent to help him out, I mean he scoring 30-&-40 pts. a game. When he realized he could carry that team on his back any longer he left.
    He went to miami, thats when it all happend,people called him the " N " WORD!!!,people called him a " MONKEY ", they said nasty thing's about his MOTHER!!! they said thing's about his KIDS! WHAT IS THIS!!! he has a right to go where ever he wants. When the heat lost in the finale's, and he said what he said,he was talking to all the people who made RACIST!!! remarks, about him and his family,if he would have won he would have felt vindicated but they lost,so he said what he said ,but when it's a person of COLOR!!! it's a "BIG DEAL "...,

    June 14, 2011 at 11:11 am | Report abuse |
    • Person of Color

      @ The TRUTH. I am a person of color and I don't agree with everything you said. The statement LeBron made about his critics having to go back to their lives, was targeting the average Joe that has to get up everyday and deal with everyday life. It was a shallow statement made because he is a spoiled sport. I truly believe he was point shaving. None of intensity from all season was there. He was looking like a deer in headlights games 2 thru 6. Me as a fan of the game can't let him of the hook that easy.

      June 14, 2011 at 10:29 pm | Report abuse |
  7. JohnnyOh2323

    America hates the Heat. Even Al Queda hates the Heat.

    June 14, 2011 at 12:16 pm | Report abuse |
  8. mikequinner153

    hey bobby, dont make this a "class" issue. By high class you mean white and by low-class you mean black. Watch it and recognize their is wayyyy to much racist dialogue in basketball and sports in general.

    June 14, 2011 at 12:45 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Dr. J. Tylor Thompson

    Yesterday, I vented about all of the Cleveland hate toward Lebron. Today, it has gone to another level with the Ohio Governor issuing a proclamation making the Dallas Mavericks honorary Ohioans along with the mayor of Cleveland giving them a key to the city of Cleveland. Folks.... It is a GAME. A game that every player gets paid very well to play. This is why players feel & express themselves they way they do calling it "modern day slavery". The fans act as if they "OWN" the players.

    Yes, you come to the games. You buy their jerseys and other items but you still have no right to say and act as if you control their lives & destiny.

    Chill Out and move on! There are bigger, more important issues to deal with.

    The city of Cleveland needs jobs.... A lot of them. And the state is in trouble due to the ridiculous decisions the governor is making without regard of it's citizens.

    Stop... take a minute and see just how much time you have wasted hating a man who made the decision to do what HE felt was best for his career & family. Now think about how many decisions you make that is based upon what you feel is best for your career & family. You may or may not take others feelings or potential impact into consideration. Still, a decision has to be made.

    June 14, 2011 at 1:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • GDubya

      Cleveland's Governor needs to get off of sports and get back to figuring out how to fix their distressed economy!

      June 14, 2011 at 1:26 pm | Report abuse |
  10. GDubya

    Ima speak first then read later (maybe someone else saw what I saw)...I think LeBron was asked/told to not perform, call it womans intuition, or a disappointed disillusioned LJames fan, but it is hard to convince me otherwise that he was noticeably not himself. LeBron was a beast against Boston, he was a beast the first two games...then suddenly go cold? Listen he is no new commer to the game. He did not choke. He has enough heart and ego to fill a stadium. He showed during the last 3 minutes of the game when he started shooting 3's that he can if he wanted to (or was allowed to)....there is more to this Heat loss and Dallas win, Steve Wonder can see it can you?

    June 14, 2011 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Jay

    L J does not equal up 2 MJ!!!

    June 14, 2011 at 9:20 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Me n Me

    Cannot blame a whole lot of Lebron, I mean his mother was sleeping with one of his player. Saying that to say, the example his mom set before was from a person who has no loyalty or respect for self, sho how was he able to show it if he was not taught it..I am just saying.

    June 15, 2011 at 1:46 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Maverican

    James is a Fadker- a fader and a faker.

    June 15, 2011 at 3:18 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Llinda Roberts

    I really don't see what the big deal is. If the Cavs wanted to trade Lebron, they would have without s second thought. It's their rights. Iin the same light, Labron can fire them and play for whomever he wishes. I think the Miami Heat, after coming off such a rocky stary, did extremely well-they made it to the finals. We all need to be a bit more sensible and look at issues more close.y. Go Labron, your greatest fans are in the Bahamas!!

    June 15, 2011 at 4:31 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Anthem Cheat

    Well, at least the Heat have a new theme song:


    June 16, 2011 at 12:52 am | Report abuse |
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