July 1st, 2011
04:31 PM ET

Michigan ban on considering race in college admissions struck down

A divided federal appeals court has struck down Michigan's ban on consideration of race and gender in college admissions.

The issue is likely to renew the national political and legal debate over affirmative action, which the Supreme Court could be poised to resolve in coming months.

The 6th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals on Friday concluded in a 2-1 ruling that the voter-approved ban on "preferential treatment" at state colleges and universities was unconstitutional, and "alters Michigan's political structure by impermissibly burdening racial minorities."

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  1. RJ

    The 6th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals are racists!!!

    July 1, 2011 at 5:43 pm | Report abuse |
  2. nojustice

    All agree to end special treatment for alumni?
    Since minorities couldn't attend these universities to become alumni it only fair right?
    We do want everyone getting in on their own right?

    July 1, 2011 at 5:43 pm | Report abuse |
  3. JB911

    When your daughter gets into a car accident, do you want it to be the most qualified physician working on her? Or do you want it to be the most racially balanced physician working on her? Go to the AAMC page and look at the disparity in MCAT scores and GPAs among races. It's astonishing.

    July 1, 2011 at 5:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • thank you

      could not agree more

      July 1, 2011 at 5:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sam

      As a university educator, let me remind you of the fact that GMAT scores and GPAs really are the center of the universe, the ultimate measure of intelligence and potential for success, and the living proof that minorities are not quite as capable as the rest of us majority people.

      July 1, 2011 at 5:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • RJ

      Because the most intelligent minorities are disadvantaged to the point of NOT getting a better High School or College education, I would rather have the minority who got in under affirmative action and graduated at the top of his class.

      Would you rather have the minority who got in under affirmative action and graduated at the top of his class, or the white guy who had all the advantages in high school or undergraduate study and graduated at the bottom of his Med School Class?

      ...and yes I am white and no, I am not a liberal. I'm just a guy whom thinks the question you asked is foolish.

      July 1, 2011 at 6:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Wayne

      I want the most racially balanced physician working on her.

      July 1, 2011 at 6:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • browardcountyboy

      Your attempt to imply racially-based differences in the intelligence of non-white applicants based on MCAT scores is misinformed. The MCAT is just one tool to consider admission to medical school, the others being undergraduate GPAs, extracurricular activities, and entrance interviews at the medical school. Standardized tests like the MCAT by their very structure rewards groups that have had years of practice answering these type of tests, so a good MCAT score only means, at the very least, that the applicant is good at taking tests.

      July 1, 2011 at 6:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dani

      Ahhh, Sam, a university educator? that scares me, I hope you won't be teaching my children some day. I hope you don't teach any minorities actually. Nice point RJ

      July 1, 2011 at 6:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • browardcountyboy

      What was YOUR score on the SAT tests? Or did you ever take it?

      July 1, 2011 at 6:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sam

      Dani, did your teachers ever introduce you to the concept of sarcasm, by any chance?

      July 1, 2011 at 6:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • jason

      RJ,
      Actually, you should do your research. Studies have consistently found that poor white students' iqs are on average higher than middle-income black students'. I grew up in a very poor town in a poor state in a small high school and that didn't stop me from getting in the 1400s on the sat and going to the University of Chicago. Liberals think that if whites are not atively going on trying to spend resources recruiting blacks just for the sake of celebrating their blackness, that somehow it is akin to actively discriminating against them. We are supposed to help them despite themselves, and it is absurd.

      July 1, 2011 at 6:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Andrew

      @Jason – could you cite any of these studies? How do you define 'consistently'?

      July 1, 2011 at 6:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jashwua

      So i hope Jason really doesnt believe what he said...or maybe I and everyone else I grew up with our the exception because we grew up as "Lower Class" blacks and are far more intelligent than many "Upper Class" white....at the end of the day regardless of "class" its all about whos willing to pick up a book and read to their children and expect them to use their minds to benefit the world; Affirmative Action is not the answer but at the same time if those measures werent put into place there would a whole lot more "highly qualified" blacks that didnt get to show their full capability and would rather get their money by picking up a ball or a script

      July 1, 2011 at 6:29 pm | Report abuse |
  4. asian dragon

    Stop whining and consider the asian student, he/she has to score on average 140 points higher on the SAT than white students do. They're being discriminated against far more than white people are, a white and an asian student of equal caliber and merit will see the white student get admitted whereas the asian student might not.

    But the best thing to do is to just work with the way things are being done. Today is not the day to change the system, it's just a way to try to narrow the gap between races, because you cannot deny there is one.

    July 1, 2011 at 5:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • James

      So what you're saying is that minorities are less intelligent?

      July 1, 2011 at 5:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • jason

      That's actually not true. Asians are about 18% of the student body in a lot of the Ivy Leagues, even though they are only 4% of the US population. They are also accepted at a higher rate than white applicants. Jews are about a quarter of the student body in Ivy League colleges, even though they are only 3% of nation's population. Blacks get accept to Dartmouth, for example, at 44%– about 5 times higher rate than whites despite a huge 298 point lower average sat score. Congratulations fellow white people for being cowards and not standing up for your own. This is what your country is coming to.

      July 1, 2011 at 5:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jashwua

      so i see that Jason didnt pay much attention to Ancient History...or didnt care too... while Caucasians were still living "barbaric" in the "Caucus Mountians Africa and Africans were revoultionizing the known world and everyone including Europe and Asia came to Cities like Timbuktu and Songhai were their "Post Secondary Education". But as history will repeat itself the greed for power took over civilized minds as it did in the Egyptians and the Jews and the Greeks and the Romans and the Germans under Hitler's Regime and the Russians and Presently the U.S.A etc etc...as lot of the african nations that are slums are a result of Europeans and African relations with unforgivable sins on both parts and alot of those nations have to first win their independence from aparthied and so forth and our now still fighting among each other in civil war as the U.S did in the 1860's

      July 1, 2011 at 6:41 pm | Report abuse |
  5. James

    Why is it that minorities demand to be treated equal yet they support affirmative action?

    July 1, 2011 at 5:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • nojustice

      The fact that "we have to demand to be treated equal" is reason enough to have affirmative action. You get alumni credit!

      July 1, 2011 at 5:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • jason

      Because they don't care about being treated equally. They want special treatment. After all, they believe that they do it "better." That is why their half-black president– who, despite running this country into the ground on every level– has a 91% consistent approval among blacks. They do it so well, that is why the entire continent of Africa is slums, and has never had a civilized economy except in South Africa when whites ruled it and built it up during apartheid. But, since that ended, S. Africa too is falling apart at the seams.

      July 1, 2011 at 5:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lem

      Jason, couldn't have said it better.

      July 1, 2011 at 6:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • browardcountyboy

      We forget about the legacy programs at many Ivy League and other universities, whereas the children of (mostly white) alumni are favored during the admissions process.

      Besides, the majority of complaints I have heard about affirmative action come from people who barely graduated from high school, and who would not know what an SAT test even if it hit them in the face.

      July 1, 2011 at 6:10 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Matthew

    Consideration of a school based on race, creed or color is racist. If minorities want to be treated equal to white students, they should be held to the same standard. Stop playing the black, hispanic or other minority card. BTW, I am not white or a racist.

    July 1, 2011 at 5:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • browardcountyboy

      We forget about the legacy programs at many Ivy League and other universities, whereas the children of (mostly white) alumni are favored during the admissions process.

      July 1, 2011 at 6:11 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Vero

    Without affirmative action, your daughter won't even have a job. The biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action have been proven to be white women.

    July 1, 2011 at 5:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kat

      thanks, but as a white woman, I don't want a pity party.

      July 1, 2011 at 5:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • fearlessdude

      'cause white women are smarter than anglo white men.

      July 1, 2011 at 6:08 pm | Report abuse |
  8. scrummmb

    Unfortunately they later found that one of the votes was a minority vote so it counted for more than the other two and the bill passed.

    July 1, 2011 at 5:45 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Craig

    Affirmative action kills, pure and simple.

    July 1, 2011 at 5:45 pm | Report abuse |
  10. James

    I say B.S. let every-one get into a job or school the same way. by what you know not what color you are.

    July 1, 2011 at 5:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • steve harnack

      Unfortunately that has never been the case and if you were honest you would admit that.

      July 1, 2011 at 5:59 pm | Report abuse |
  11. RealTalk

    Whites apparently don't understand that 300 years of slavery 100 years of segregation makes for a huge gap between blacks and whites......or maybe they don't care to payback during their generation......sorry but your grandparents and ancestors didn't care 2 make it right so it's being done now......deal with it

    July 1, 2011 at 5:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • RealTalk

      And the president is black!!!! And he's better than bush

      July 1, 2011 at 5:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ryan

      What are you talking about "deal with it"?
      Did you even read the article? You LOST

      July 1, 2011 at 5:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      Blacks apparently dont understand that whites were also enslaved long before they were....they also forget their own people sold them into slavery. Your equal...just stop...if anything you have it better. Blacks only scholarships, organizations for just blacks....you talk about equal, but all you do is separate yourself at every turn.

      July 1, 2011 at 5:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ryan

      You're the one who is going to have to deal with it. You are not as intelligent as a white person and you have nothing to offer society in terms of ingenuity. You have no business at all in academia, period. There will always be a smarter white person than you and affirmitive action will not be tolerated.

      July 1, 2011 at 5:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • SickofIt

      SERIOUSLY???? How long must the slavery issue be the bullet for everything that happens in this life???? Slavery was abolished with Lincoln, and have YOU EVER EVER EVER been denied a seat in the front of the bus or a drink from the Whites Only fountain???? This is 2011!!! If you cant get into med school because you are an idiot on the genius scale, then you dont belong there whether you are purple green black or white or even Asian! I wouldnt go to U of M if they gave me a million dollars and paid my tuition! This is exactly whats wrong with affirmative action! I sure hope the guy who does your next surgery got in to med school on merit, or maybe you are the kind of person who will sue when your U of M doctor cuts off the wrong leg. If you support this ridiculous fallacy that is affirmative action, you should be forced to use those doctors for your own personal physicians. The rest of us will go to the docs who scored the highest on the MCATS! Idiots. Will a real politician who will make REAL CHANGE please stand up!!!!

      July 1, 2011 at 5:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • farlance

      exactly realtalk, the president is black. He got voted in by white people who saw through color and thought he was the best person for the job. Time to think that way for all jobs

      July 1, 2011 at 5:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • RealTalk

      If affirmative action is NOT about "trying" to level the playing field between minorities and whites then what do you think it's for, idiots?....and slavery ended with Lincoln but we still remember segregation that just stopped in the 60s

      July 1, 2011 at 6:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • jason

      Your assumption assumes the fallacy that when black people fail, it is because of discrimination. The truth is, when black people fail, it is overwhelmingly because of their own inherent differences. World history has shown and will always show that blacks are simply incapable of competing with whites or asians on a level playing field. Therefore, we are told to believe a lie: that blacks fail iq test, sats, firefighter test, etc because the tests are biased. (As if that's even possible). We are brainwashed into ignoring the elephant in the room. I'm pretty sure that blacks are not discriminated against in Africa since they are the majority, yet they cannot claim even one advanced civilization. Whites on the other hand, thrive everywhere they have settled. Why is that?

      July 1, 2011 at 6:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • hugo

      mono vestido de seda, mono se queda.

      July 1, 2011 at 6:19 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Tamara

    http://www.don.ac.uk/about__college/equality__diversity/policies.aspx

    LEARN SOMETHING FROM THIS......

    July 1, 2011 at 5:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      Theres a different between discrimination and not having enough of one race and passing people up because of it.

      July 1, 2011 at 5:52 pm | Report abuse |
  13. neurodetonal

    Free cheese and preferential treatment just promote the next round of lesser qualified people putting further burden on a strained society. If members of a particular minority group are not qualified for college without special treatment, then they should not get in just as much as unqualified whites should not get in. We don't need more turds watering down education any further. We're already sinking in major trouble, and don't need more weight thrown on top.

    If more minorities want to be a part of higher education, we need to fix the root problems that prevent them from being qualified rather than dragging down the qualified people. Now that may be worth a little investment if the recipients of such aid work hard and make progress.

    I am a minority (I almost forget most of the time), but I don't want free passes. I'll take my situation as it is and make it the best it can be. I guarantee I'm not going to have a boatload of little brats that I can afford to raise and then cry for more free cheese and preferential treatment. I guarantee I'm going to improve the situation through hard work and put the next generation up as high as I can, so they will have an improved platform from which they can launch their own personal growth. If the people around you didn't put in the same work, blame them for it and then move on. Take it like it is right now and put in hard work going forward if you want positive return in the future.

    July 1, 2011 at 5:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Billy

      I'd like to thank you for not being a stereotype or ATTEMPTING to be a stereotype.

      July 1, 2011 at 6:00 pm | Report abuse |
  14. bigboxes

    You are correct in that there are stupid white people. You are living proof.

    July 1, 2011 at 5:50 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Chris

    Affirmative action is racist. Anyone that supports it is a racist. Alot of blacks are racist, and act like everyone's out to get them. Sorry, but you have to way better then the rest of us.

    July 1, 2011 at 5:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • nojustice

      Chris you are obviously not very intelligent, but I'll still challenge that pea brain. Racism is nothing without power. Discrimination is prejudice couple with power. Discrimination was the reason for affirmative action. It was implemented to right hundreds of years of discrimination. So after forty or so years I guess to you that's enough huh?

      July 1, 2011 at 6:01 pm | Report abuse |
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